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00:57 < Utopiah> http://images.math.cnrs.fr/IMG/jpg/julia_island2.jpg
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07:28 < CryptoQuick> how's it hangin fellas
07:29 < CryptoQuick> who here likes simcity?
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08:06 < fenn> interesting list of goals here http://www.xprize.org/prize-development/life-sciences
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08:23 < fenn> i met my "stalker" at qs conference: http://vimeo.com/groups/17842/videos/21852158
08:24 < fenn> it was amusing and sort of awkward
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09:09 < CryptoQuick> ...someone's having fun :P
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09:15 < lesbiman> no i honestly am
09:15 < lesbiman> all of them
09:15 < lesbiman> in all states at once
09:15 < lesbiman> until u collapse function
09:16 < CryptoQuick> reminds me of a movie I saw where these guys went to thailand
09:16 < lesbiman> im a flip switch bitch
09:16 < CryptoQuick> hawt
09:16 < CryptoQuick> it'd hit that
09:18 < lesbiman> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6OSMZmN5YQk/TKKVRtQcZNI/AAAAAAAAAa4/ixhvUF95DVk/s1600/Buck+Angel.jpg
09:19 < CryptoQuick> is that as big is as it gets?
09:19  * CryptoQuick is disappoint
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09:23 < CryptoQuick> just got texted from a lover. opportunity awaits!!!  bye now
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09:28 < fenn> shock warning first please
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13:10 < panax> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/silkroad/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
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13:23 < fenn> 1 bitcoin = $3? wow
13:27 < uniqanomaly> lol, that was like month ago
13:27 < uniqanomaly> isn't it worth ~8$ now?
13:28 < fenn> no idea, that's a lot though
13:28 < uniqanomaly> https://mtgox.com/trade/history
13:28 < uniqanomaly> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11061.0
13:28 < uniqanomaly> this one is particularly funny
13:28 < fenn> this article will probably make the exchange rate go through the roof
13:29 < uniqanomaly> how do they imagine that, seizing computers/ search w/o seizing
13:29 < uniqanomaly> & searching for illegal digital currency
13:30 < fenn> bad translation, that
13:30 < fenn> you do have to exchange money for bitcoins, that's a weak part of the whole online system
13:31 < uniqanomaly> there's whole barter system
13:31 < uniqanomaly> like drugs
13:31 < uniqanomaly> if they make it illegal i guess drugs dealers will also sell bitcoins
13:31 < uniqanomaly> that's just fucked up
13:32 < uniqanomaly> also that's just the way things work
13:33 < uniqanomaly> lmao
13:33 < uniqanomaly> bitcoin mobsters
13:33 < uniqanomaly> "today FBI seized 10k bitcoins"
13:33 < uniqanomaly> ahahahah
13:33 < fenn> heh you know they would use them too
13:34 < fenn> government TLA agencies love untraceable currency
13:34 < uniqanomaly> well some say that drugs prohibition was/is here to finance some CIA operations
13:35  * uniqanomaly is waiting for nuke in garden
13:35 < fenn> bitcoin really took off around 4/20
13:36 < kanzure> there's something like $40M in bitcoins now
13:36 < uniqanomaly> yeah
13:36 < kanzure> all the rage, etc. etc.
13:36 < uniqanomaly> simple result of publicity
13:37 < kanzure> ybit was talking about bitcoin in here back in.. uh
13:37 < kanzure> 2009? 2008?
13:37 < uniqanomaly> 09
13:37 < fenn> i think it was nsh who brought it up
13:38 < kanzure> nsh is just a bot
13:38 < fenn> a smart bot
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13:38 < uniqanomaly> it's soul that matters
13:39 < fenn> meh
13:39 < uniqanomaly> ok, agnostic joke
13:41 < uniqanomaly> haha
13:42 < uniqanomaly> yes, portal AI would make a fit, just talking to myself
13:55 < fenn> what's with all the angry comments on the silk road article.. i'd expect them to welcome more sellers and buyers.. i'm sure the DEA already knows about it anyway
14:06 < uniqanomaly> anyway
14:06 < uniqanomaly> i still can't compute drugs prohibition, it just doesn't compute
14:07 < uniqanomaly> creating bunch of Al Capones in the name of allegedly drugs free world
14:07 < uniqanomaly> don't compute
14:07 < uniqanomaly> doesn't*
14:08 < uniqanomaly> prohibition fuels organised crime, nothing more, nothing less
14:08 < uniqanomaly> or is just the point
14:08 < uniqanomaly> yeah, that does compute
14:08 < uniqanomaly> whatever
14:08 < uniqanomaly> or is that *
14:10 < uniqanomaly> btw. nice idea for a poster
14:10 < uniqanomaly> "US gov. by drugs prohibition is creating work places all over the country since 1971"
14:10 < uniqanomaly> ahahahah
14:13 < uniqanomaly> blah
14:14 < lumos> hi
14:14 < lumos> fenn, bitcoin silkroad?
14:14 < uniqanomaly> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/silkroad/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
14:15 < uniqanomaly> this one
14:16 < lumos> cool thx
14:17 < lumos> what are you reading atm
14:17 < lumos> i was an early bitcoin adopter
14:17 < lumos> i'm so happy to see shit like this
14:18 < uniqanomaly> http://mashable.com/2010/08/10/personalized-news-stream/ ;)
14:19 < lumos> can you take out all the fluff and compress for me
14:19 < lumos> do that
14:19 < lumos> and i will do you a favour
14:19 < lumos> i'll compress what i've been reading
14:22 < lumos> ok uniqanomaly ?
14:22 < fenn> some of these david pearce ideas are just too much
14:22 < fenn> "In a predominantly secular society, adopting a hedonistic death-style is much more responsible from an ethical utilitarian perspective. For it promises to spare friends and relations the miseries of vicarious suffering and distress they are liable to undergo at present as they witness one's decline."
14:23 < uniqanomaly> lumos: i'm here
14:23 < uniqanomaly> lumos: nice barter idea
14:23 < uniqanomaly> question is what were you reading lately :P
14:23 < lumos> uniqanomaly, MANDELBROT
14:23 < lumos> :D
14:24 < lumos> ok rules
14:24 < lumos> word limits a<x<b
14:24 < fenn> uniqanomaly: we voted on legalization of marijuana here in california recently, one of the big reasons it didn't pass was that legalization would destroy the economy of several counties whose major trade is illegal marijuana
14:25 < fenn> well, further legalization
14:25 < uniqanomaly> lumos: ok ok, i believe you :D
14:25 < lumos> uniqanomaly, i can change it if you give me a topic you like
14:25 < lumos> i will give you a new idea though
14:25 < lumos> that i promise
14:25 < lumos> i've never done this kind of thing before it has to be good
14:26 < fenn> you guys are trading summarization services?
14:26 < lumos> fenn you want in?
14:27 < fenn> uh, not really
14:27 < lumos> many eyes see more bugs
14:27 < fenn> i will provide my services gratis for works i have read and remember
14:27 < fenn> until i get bored at least
14:27 < lumos> fenn,  thats good all information is good information
14:27 < lumos> fenn, tell topic of interest
14:28 < fenn> i am reading "storming heaven: LSD and the american dream"
14:28 < fenn> and various things written by david pearce about nootropics and other psychoactive drugs
14:29 < fenn> actually you can see what i read about here http://fennetic.net/sleep/stats/net_topics_time.txt
14:29 < lumos> oh cool, i am interested in nootropics, i heard about kurzweils schedule
14:29 < lumos> space is good
14:30 < fenn> er, actually this is mor9e coherent http://fennetic.net/sleep/stats/net_topics_ngrams_time.txt
14:30 < lumos> n grams
14:30 < lumos> tell me more about ngrams
14:30 < lumos> i know the basics
14:30 < fenn> it's just a sequence of 1 or more words
14:30 < lumos> i know
14:30 < lumos> tell me an interesting idea
14:30 < lumos> ennumerating stories with them
14:30 < lumos> or something
14:30 < lumos> n-gram music
14:30 < lumos> i dont know
14:30 < fenn> uh, you can find statistically improbable phrases in a bunch of text that probably tells you an interesting idea that's in the text
14:31 < lumos> i know the math behind them
14:31 < lumos> but
14:31 < fenn> statistically improbable musical phrases would sound something like aphex twin
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14:32 < uniqanomaly> sounds great
14:32 < fenn> my goal for today was to work on coding an associative memory system
14:32 < lumos> if n-grams show text redundancy could you have a kind of assembly language where you can have any possible meaning through simple word constructs, this would take more time, and would be more redundant no? but would allow for greater meaning, so less data loss, rather than having the number of ideas being the base of the language, and the base being the number of words
14:32 < fenn> you type in some phrases and they get associated with other phrases
14:33 < lumos> cool, show me when done
14:33 < lumos> ok 'okcupid' haha
14:33 < fenn> i was inspired by memex.mx
14:33 < lumos> what is that
14:33 < fenn> okcupid is a serious time sink
14:33 < lumos> uniqanomaly, i havent forgotton
14:33 < fenn> it's a url
14:33 < lumos> fenn, lojban
14:33 < uniqanomaly> lumos: yeah sorry
14:33 < lumos> fenn, mi parolas esperanto :)
14:34 < lumos> tell me about memex.mx
14:34 < fenn> i never made it anywhere in lojban, mostly because it's an ugly horrible thing that nobody knows how to speak
14:34 < lumos> fenn, why ugly/horrid?
14:34 < fenn> it just sounds like a hodgepodge
14:35 < lumos> fenn, i looked at those okcupid tests they are hilarious
14:35 < uniqanomaly> lumos: brb and then we do teh writin
14:35 < lumos> fenn, what do you think of the minkowskian coordinate system they use
14:35 < fenn> memex.mx is mark carranza's personal memory curation system; it's hard to explain without an interactive demo
14:35 < lumos> fenn, can i download?
14:35 < fenn> i don't think so
14:35 < lumos> :C
14:35 < lumos> tell me how they work
14:36 < lumos> like specifically
14:36 < fenn> he's planning on making something open source, with php, but i didnt really understand what he was talking about
14:36 < fenn> the original memex software was written in 1984 for dos
14:36 < fenn> "the minkowskian coordinate system they use" refers to what?
14:36 < lumos> fenn, let me find post
14:36 < lumos> like instead of
14:36 < lumos> left right
14:36 < lumos> or whatever
14:36 < lumos> or even
14:36 < lumos> any kind of relative geometry
14:37 < lumos> they use a proper space-time system
14:37 < fenn> who is "they"?
14:37 < lumos> lojban
14:37 < fenn> oh
14:37 < lumos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwT_2QQU64
14:37 < fenn> there is left and right
14:37 < fenn> do i dare click
14:37 < lumos> ahhh then i think the post was some people wanting that
14:38 < lumos> yes its about genes
14:39 < fenn> why does that have 10 million views
14:39 < lumos> fenn, why you search sl
14:39 < lumos> do you go on the metaverse?
14:40 < fenn> that was probably me playing sl
14:40 < lumos> what is username
14:40 < fenn> i didn't really like the interface, and probably my computer was too slow
14:40 < fenn> fenn wakawaka
14:40 < lumos> there are other clients
14:41 < lumos> ok i added
14:41 < fenn> i mostly played around with building new and sillier weapon-like objects, and was helping someone with a lossless image compression problem (sl just happened to be convenient for moving matrix represenations around in space)
14:42 < lumos> cool, i am building an AI with someone
14:45 < lumos> uniqanomaly i'm sending my people to speak to your people
14:47 < Utopiah> fenn: have you participated to memex.mx? I asked Mark Carranza about a year ago about it, following the QS video, but he was then sick and I didn't follow up
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14:50 < fenn> i emailed him for invite code but havent heard back
14:50 < fenn> i dont really need access to it though.. i doubt it implements any of the interface he actually uses, and i don't particularly care about his data
14:51 < fenn> i mean, not that it's not interesting, but it's probably mostly things that wouldn't mean anything to me
14:52 < Utopiah> ok, thanks
14:56 < fenn> i dont get why google web history rss download pusses out after 999
14:56 < uniqanomaly> 666 gotta be somewhere right?
14:57 < uniqanomaly> haha :P
14:58 < kanzure> fenn: use the google web history scraper i wrote
14:58 < kanzure> unless they've changed the html
15:02 < fenn> where?
15:02 < fenn> really this is about why the fuck do i need a scraper
15:05 < fenn> apparently i already downloaded it manually before
15:05 < fenn> because i couldnt figure out how to use wget with their cookies
15:06 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/google-web-history-scraper.py
15:06 < kanzure> oh wait.
15:07 < kanzure> yeah i don't have that within arm's reach at the moment :x
15:07 < kanzure> that was last mentioned http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-01-19.log
15:09 < fenn> first link is 404
15:09 < kanzure> yes because i've never finished uploading heybryan.org back to heybryan.org
15:10 < kanzure> man why is my crap so disorganized
15:11 < fenn> your brain is disorganized :P
15:11 < kanzure> i don't think so
15:11 < kanzure> theoretically if you make a brain-hook so that "whenever you do something, make sure it goes to the right place" things should clean themselves up
15:11 < fenn> because categorization is a false ontological paradigm
15:11 < kanzure> but so far this is the result.
15:12 < Utopiah> organization change as your learn
15:12 < fenn> i just mean tags generally work better than hierarchies
15:15 < fenn> kanzure you should keep things you create separate from other random stuff you happen to be archiving
15:16 < kanzure> i generally do (~/code)
15:16 < kanzure> ~/my-doc... and then papers/outgoing :P
15:17 < kanzure> and then i have ~/scripts.. uh.
15:17 < kanzure> ls -1 ~/code | wc -l
15:17 < kanzure> 75
15:21 < fenn> ls -1 sandbox | wc -l
15:21 < fenn> 233
15:21 < fenn> hum
15:21 < fenn> that's not all code though
15:22 < kanzure> ls -1 ~/scripts/* | wc -l
15:22 < kanzure> 2374
15:38 < CryptoQuick> wouldn't you cat *.py | wc -l ?
15:39 < CryptoQuick> wait, you have that many separate scripts? :P
15:40 < fenn> he has lots of crap like 2011-06-01.py
15:41 < CryptoQuick> ...
15:41 < CryptoQuick> why, if I had a script for every day I've been writing scripts... :P
15:43 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: the file fenn wants is on another physical hdd for me
15:43 < CryptoQuick> so inconvenient
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17:50 < fenn> i ended up manually downloading again, https://www.google.com/history/lookup?q=&num=1000&start=0000&output=rss then start=1000 etc
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18:05 < fenn> on a slightly unrelated note, xmlstarlet is pretty handy for dealing with xml files
18:25 < kanzure> hi industromatic
18:25 < kanzure> when's the boil?
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18:36 < klord> kanzure: how's it going?  you around?
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19:09 < kanzure> klord: yes i'm around
19:09 < kanzure> mutzing around with iOS
19:15 < klord> fun times :)
19:15 < klord> what are you working on?
19:15 < kanzure> http://hoppersdk.com/ for iOS
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19:32 < kanzure> heh mechanical switching of bond angle
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19:40 < klord> that's pretty awesome
19:40 < klord> i just added uservoice feedback in my app
19:41 < klord> but something like this would be even better
19:41 < klord> the phone in the demo looks so confused
19:41 < klord> an android phone running iOS
19:42 < klord> do you have much experience with ec2 by any chance?
19:42 < klord> specifically running things cross-region
19:49 < kanzure> yes i have ec2 experience,
19:49 < kanzure> no cross-region experience
19:50 < kanzure> uservoice is sort of a hack for apps dude :)
19:51 < klord> ah, ok.  the fact that security groups are region specific, and that you can't create rules even between groups in different regions...is a real bummer
19:51 < klord> going to create a mess of firewall rules
19:51 < klord> ha, yeah it is
19:51 < klord> i figured it was better than nothing
19:52 < kanzure> i made a gif of my work on the android version of hopper sdk:
19:52 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2011-04-11-212956-hopper-progress.gif
19:52 < kanzure> i wrote a script to take a screenshot after every time i compiled/tested the app
19:53 < klord> ha, that's cool
19:53 < klord> i've been rocking the nexus one lately
19:54 < kanzure> well, if you give me a few more days the iOS version will be ready for beta testing
19:54 < kanzure> (beta testing of a beta testing project, aww yeah)
19:55 < klord> lol
19:55 < klord> yeah, let me know.  i'll give it a whirl
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20:01 < foucist> fenn: that girl in the vid was your stalker or what? i don't get it
20:02 < foucist> or are you actually frick?
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20:11 < foucist> heh
20:15 < kanzure> foucist: http://fennetic.net/sleeplog/
20:15 < kanzure> er,
20:16 < kanzure> http://fennetic.net/sleep/
20:17 < foucist> ah?
20:17 < foucist> so she used his data?
20:19 < kanzure> fenn suffers from small world syndrome where parts of him are randomly repeated in the general population
20:20 < foucist> heh
20:21 < foucist> that's a terrible affliction
20:24 < fenn> it's a symptom of slow-onset solipsism
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22:09 < kanzure> meh this doesn't look particularly interesting:
22:09 < kanzure> http://i.imgur.com/Xq7ih.png
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22:56 < fenn> the wiki is only accessible by tor?
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