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05:18 < archels> hi lads
05:19 < archels> What is new?
05:21 < kanzure> we are no longer lads
05:21 < kanzure> now we are lasses
05:22 < archels> What, still a gender? I thought we'd have transhumaned our way out of that by now.
05:23 < JayDugger> I like my gender just fine, except for the relatively poorer endurance and shorter lifespan.
05:32 < foucist> endurance in what
05:44 < archels> so, I'm kinda looking for a 3k word paper topic.
05:44 < archels> I have to take a standpoint, and make a case for it.
05:45 < archels> My teacher said that just arguing for transhumanism might be too general though.
05:50 < kanzure> can it be completely ridiculous?
05:52 < foucist> archels: maybe argue for an idea you have.. a product idea or something
05:52 < foucist> :P
05:53 < archels> kanzure: probably yes, so long as the reasoning is self-consistent ;)
05:53 < archels> foucist, it's for my neurophilosophy class
05:53 < archels> I was thinking of relating transhumanism to Ernst Becker's ideas in The Denial of Death, but my teacher wasn't familiar with that work.
05:55 < foucist> me either
05:55 < foucist> archels: how about something on timeless decision theory :P
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05:57 < archels> meh, I don't like probabilistics.
05:57 < archels> (if that's a word)
05:57 < archels> 'The basic premise of The Denial of Death is that human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism.'
05:57 < archels> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death
05:58 < foucist> like worldview of probability for the universe? quantum mechanics ?
05:58 < foucist> hmm
05:58 < archels> I want to believe in the cellular automaton theory of the nature of the universe, but that's another discussion altogether ;)
05:58 < kanzure> ah, it has to be related to neurophilosophy
05:59 < archels> (Incidentally, I'm going to Roger Penrose's lecture on the cyclic universe next Friday)
05:59 < archels> kanzure: yep
05:59 < kanzure> there's a lot of really fucked up neurophil that has been thrown around in this channel
05:59 < foucist> archels: i prefer this idea over 'defense mechanism'  .. http://www.jamesrobey.com/man-is-technology/
05:59 < foucist> (that's my blog)
05:59 < kanzure> i'm sure you can find something obscureand entertaining
05:59 < foucist> archels: it's a crappy post, feel free to follow that one link i have in it
06:00 < archels> kanzure: There are some *yawn* subjects like 'should you convict a pedophile whose behaviour was beyond all doubt causally connected to a tumour in his prefrontal cortex?'
06:00 < kanzure> foucist: i prefer 'what technology wants' or kevin kelly's other articles over that post you linked to
06:00 < kanzure> archels: yeah, that's retarded and lame
06:01 < archels> so I definitely want to write about transhumanism, just not sure on the angle.
06:01 < archels> *reads foucist's post*
06:01 < kanzure> "the neurophilosophy of 4chan"
06:01 < archels> hah
06:01 < foucist> kanzure: yes, it's all based off of 'what technology wants'
06:01 < kanzure> foucist: ok, i give you credit for at least linking to kevin kelly
06:01 < foucist> kanzure: my post that is
06:02 < foucist> kk actually has a book out, but apparently it's not as good
06:02 < foucist> as the 'what technology wants' one
06:03 < kanzure> yeah i expected it would be lame
06:03 < JayDugger> ...? Out of Control?
06:03 < kanzure> these are the main posts worth reading:
06:03 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2007/03/bootstrapping_t.php
06:03 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/03/civilizations_a.php
06:03 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/02/the_forever_boo.php
06:04 < archels> hm, technology as (a) meme(s)?
06:04 < kanzure> foucist: or http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/e4c375acce772250
06:04  * archels never read What Technology Wants
06:04 < foucist> JayDugger: i dunno, i was trying to end the post on a positive note :P
06:04 < foucist> archels: you can get a pretty good idea from oreading that extropy link
06:05 < archels> k, thanks for linky
06:05 < kanzure> foucist: my respect for the mores has dropped like a rock recently
06:05 < kanzure> they live down the street (well, until max moved away to run alcor)
06:08 < foucist> crap.. i made a mistake
06:08 < foucist> i was thinking of a totally different book
06:08 < foucist> by a different author
06:08 < foucist> i heard kk's book sucked
06:08 < foucist> what was the other book? it was by an economicist..  about technology..
06:08 < foucist> oh
06:09 < JayDugger> Heh. Everybody ever born has feet of clay. That's why we wear shoes.
06:09 < kanzure> foucist: taleb?
06:09 < kanzure> bloom?
06:09 < JayDugger> Bloom's book wasn't worth it.
06:09 < kanzure> many books aren't
06:10 < foucist> no..
06:10 < kanzure> foucist: you do rails?
06:10 < JayDugger> Yup. That's why I need my own home Watson. It can filter out the dross.
06:11 < foucist> brian arthur's 'the nature of technology'
06:12 < foucist> that's the book
06:12 < foucist> kanzure: yeah i do rails
06:12 < kanzure> are you open to consulting gigs
06:12 < kanzure> or are you employed full-time in a braindrain
06:13 < foucist> i'm pretty flexible, not employed full time
06:14 < kanzure> ok, noted.
06:15 < foucist> kanzure: did you have something in mind?..
06:16 < foucist> kanzure: i'm probably more open to direct collaboration w/ someone etc
06:16 < foucist> i don't really like working on my own ;)
06:16 < kanzure> there's always stuff in the pipeline, some paying and some just pure fiction
06:20 < foucist> cool
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08:50 < fenn> randall munro is going to have fun with this http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/mining-patterns-in-search-data-with.html
09:02 < fenn> so far i'm pretty impressed with how much tracker-search doesn't suck
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09:42 < JayDugger> fenn, do you have any trouble with it running slowly on samba shares?
09:44 < fenn> i dont use samba shares
09:45 < fenn> it is taking quite a while to index my ebooks
09:45 < fenn> but then, 17GB of pdfs need to be converted to text first
09:46 < fenn> thomas baugis is the developer behind "hamster project" which is a gnome app to do life logging similar to what i do; he made this nice correlation graph of his tags (warning large image) http://www.flickr.com/photos/toms/5206484607/sizes/o/in/photostream/
09:46 < JayDugger> Oh, does tracker do that?
09:46 < fenn> yes
09:47 < fenn> it finds all sorts of metadata i didnt even kow existed
09:47 < JayDugger> That's interesting.
09:47 < fenn> for example, many images have a 'description' field in their exif data
09:47 < kanzure> and geo coords
09:47 < JayDugger> Does it do a good job of providing accurate metadata, or have you just got semiotic noise.
09:47 < JayDugger> ?, even.
09:47 < JayDugger> Yeah, and camera settings, etc., etc.
09:48 < fenn> well, it finds stuff...
09:48 < fenn> it's fast and it does full text search, what do you want?
09:48 < fenn> can't exactly do page rank on my own hard drive
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.body-pixel.com/2011/06/01/interview-with-marc-dusseiller-hackteria-org-part-1-on-diybio-and-nanotechnology/
09:49 < kanzure> part 2: http://www.body-pixel.com/2011/06/02/interview-with-marc-dusseiller-from-hackteria-org-part-2-open-sourcing-with-living-systems/
09:49 < JayDugger> :) I hoped for something more pedestrian, like accurate "Author" data.
09:49 < kanzure> nanosmano :)
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11:03 < kanzure> hi sseehh
11:10 < sseehh> hi kanzure
11:10 < sseehh> hi archels and anyone else im forgetting
11:26 < archels> heya sseehh, I forgot you used to come in here.
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11:32 < archels> sseehh_: I started development on my smart watch project.
11:32 < sseehh_> archels: cool what technologies does it involve?
11:33 < archels> brb phone
11:39 < archels> sorry, back
11:40 < archels> It's got an AVR 8-bit ultra low power microcontroller, 128x64 transflective LCD (sunlight readable), and will at some point have a zigbee link
11:40 < archels> I also have some environmental sensors lined up.
11:41 < sseehh_> zigbee in a watch?? could that form mesh networks?
11:42 < archels> I don't plan on coding that, but it's possible in principle.
11:42 < archels> my intention is more about controlling devices around the house.
11:43 < archels> I'm trying to not give in to feature creep. ;)
11:44 < sseehh_> that will be awesome. especially the mesh network. that can come later
11:45 < archels> yeah, hardware and firmware is going to be open, of course.
11:45 < archels> tty1 might like this, wasn't he doing something with zigbee and mesh networks?
11:45 < sseehh_> yes zigbee or some other protocol this is right up his alley
11:47 < archels> Hmm, any chance of Syncleus sponsoring the touchscreen LCD for this thing? ;)
11:52 < sseehh_> yeah i guess you can start with a wikipage and list costs/parts
11:54 < archels> http://www.turingbirds.com/upload/atmega128_dev_board.png
11:54 < archels> current state of affairs ;)
11:57 < sseehh_> archels: nice what program did u use to make that layout?
11:58 < archels> Cadsoft Eagle
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13:59 < fenn> okay 20GB of books makes searching useless
14:25 < kanzure> yep
14:25 < kanzure> don't you need something like an index 10x the size?
14:34 < fenn> no, it just stores word lists i think
14:34 < kanzure> ok
14:35 < fenn> even 2-grams would be a lot more useful though
14:36 < fenn> am not understanding if quoted phrases are supposed to work or not
14:36 < Utopiah> Google books isn't perfect but with its MyLibrary option it's ok, just have to make the list of read books and hopping most will be present and allow search
14:37 < Utopiah> not as flexible as setting up Lucene or Spynx but.. work
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15:47 < kanzure> http://api.plos.org/
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17:28 < fenn> the PEPKC mouse is quite interesting, "have the capability of running five to six kilometers at a speed of 20 meters per minute on a treadmill for up to six hours before stopping."
17:28 < fenn> roughly 10 times the endurance of a normal mouse
17:36 < kanzure> is that the 'mighty mouse'?
17:36 < fenn> yes, but that nickname gets used a lot
17:38 < kanzure> gasp i don't have any of the original mighty mouse papers
17:46 < fenn> who are all these longevity emails from? the guy talking about FOXO3A, mTOR, NF-kappaB ec
17:55 < kanzure> eightpennies
17:56 < kanzure> hrm there are a few more recent emails (maybe 5 or 10) that i haven't archived yet
17:57 < kanzure> he and i tried to convince thevegasgroup person to do actual work instead of paying $200/word for documentation that nobody verifies
17:57 < kanzure> he and i failed :(
17:59 < fenn> "not many longevity researchers actually read the literature" why not?
18:00 < kanzure> it's a bell curve.. most people have read at least 20 papers,
18:00 < kanzure> but not many have read 500
18:00 < kanzure> (or something)
18:00 < fenn> hm tracker isnt searching my emails now, thought i got that to work before
18:00 < fenn> 20 papers isnt very many?
18:00 < kanzure> no..
18:01 < fenn> is he talking about pharmaceutical company employees?
18:01 < kanzure> no not at all
18:01 < fenn> or undergrads?
18:01 < kanzure> academia. undergrads don't usually read anything
18:01 < kanzure> some undergrads have trouble with just one paper :)
18:01 < fenn> scandalous
18:01 < fenn> of course, there's lots of meaningless strings of letters
18:02 < fenn> but once you figure out what they mean, at least get familiar with them, it starts to make some sense
18:02 < kanzure> right.. it's also easier to sort out crappy papers from the good ones
18:02 < kanzure> *it gets easier
18:03 < kanzure> realistically we know that aubrey isn't reading every paper that he should be
18:03 < kanzure> and if a grad student is doing his job right, he's busy in a lab
18:03 < kanzure> a phd student might do a literature review maybe
18:04 < kanzure> eightpennies claims to have done some personal self-improvement projects regarding longevity.. apparently he's an older gentleman
18:04 < kanzure> (this was within the past year)
18:04 < kanzure> stem cell / blood based. i'm foggy on the details.
18:05 < fenn> "normobaric oxygen therapy"
18:07 < fenn> "partly it's survivalist (I like to survive in style)"
18:09 < fenn> "A rational gambler would bet his/her life." serious bizniz
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18:47 < fenn> "it's so simplistic!"~ http://fennetic.net/irc/NF_kappaB_pathways.png
19:35 < kanzure> aren't you supposed to have a degree in this
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19:59 < AlonzoTG> om
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20:02 < AlonzoTG> Mayko, does anything ppl say here make sense to you?
20:02 < mayko> when I am concentrating on the conversation and understand the context
20:03 < mayko> mostly i just lurk. it is what i do best :D
20:05 < AlonzoTG> To me it's just disconnected bits and pieces about unnamed, tangentially related, projects that people seem to be working on.
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20:06 < mayko> i have seen that happening, yeah
20:07 < mayko> but i also don't know if i pay close enough attention to make the connections between the bits
20:07 < mayko> i have seen some cool conversations
20:07 < AlonzoTG> =\
20:11 < kanzure> you should ask questions instead
20:37 < ybit> i have a girl friend named mayko
20:39 < AlonzoTG> wow.
20:39 < AlonzoTG> I didn't think girls even bothered with guys anymore.
20:39 < AlonzoTG> =(
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20:39 < ybit> it's quite the opposite over here, i don't bother with teh ladies
20:40 < ybit> i find it quite difficult to pick a girl up when the only thing that comes to mind to discuss is density functional theory
20:40 < ybit> but it's expected in this city
20:41 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U  <- watch it all the way through :)
20:41 < ybit> am i right?
20:41 < ybit> ;)
20:41 < ybit> high fives all around
20:41 < ybit> umkay, now i'm just being silly
20:41 < foucist> ybit: what city
20:41 < ybit> hah
20:41 < foucist> cambridge?
20:41 < ybit> close
20:42 < ybit> florence, alabama
20:42 < ybit> lol
20:42 < foucist> what school is there?
20:42 < ybit> you mean tertiary or secondary ;)
20:42 < ybit> they all kind of blend in
20:42 < foucist> tert
20:43 < foucist> what uni
20:43 < ybit> www.una.edu
20:43 < foucist> nm heh
20:43 < ybit> closest uni that doesn't suck so hard is www.uah.edu, then www.uab.edu, then www.ua.edu
20:43 < ybit> well, insert vandy right before the ua.edu
20:44 < ybit> foucist: where are you?
20:46 < foucist> from canada.. but abroad right now
20:47 < foucist> ybit: as a young geek, i used to judge girls by the same standards i judged men..  i.e. i expected them to be like men, willing to discus density functional theory, be direct about picking up men for sex, etc..
20:47 < foucist> (like back when i was 20..)
20:47 < ybit> i don't really expect that to happen
20:47 < kanzure> haha that's not realistic
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20:47 < kanzure> rules for girls:
20:47 < kanzure> 1) ignore her
20:47 < kanzure> 2) ignore her
20:48 < kanzure> then you've got it made.
20:48 < ybit> thankfully i'm logging
20:48 < foucist> just you and your right hand to keep you company
20:48 < ybit> that's the life!
20:48 < kanzure> if you pander to them constantly nothing will work
20:48 < fenn> build a sex robot, drive them wild with jealousy!
20:49 < ybit> :D
20:49 < ybit> i'm content to not date most times, like tonight, where i could care less
20:49 < foucist> anyways, once i realized that men & women are like two alien species that happen to have a symbiotic relationship for procreation purposes, things made more sense..  women are from venus, men are from mars.. it's true ;)
20:49 < ybit> salsa, chips, and rootbeer are much better than any girl atm
20:49 < foucist> kanzure: yeah don't put them on a pedestal
20:50 < ybit> i'm going to date a girl from mars one day
20:50 < fenn> they exist
20:50 < ybit> i fucked a girl from mars once
20:50 < ybit> that was fun
20:51 < foucist> rofl
20:51 < foucist> & gross
20:51 < foucist> sounds incestuous
20:51 < kanzure> no he means Mars, Inc.
20:51 < ybit> she was a lesbian wanting to experiment, woot
20:51 < kanzure> it was a m&m fetish
20:51 < foucist> hah
20:51 < fenn> did she discuss dft with you?
20:51 < ybit> of course not
20:51 < mayko> ybit: yay!
20:51 < fenn> then what makes her "from mars"?
20:52 < ybit> she's into girls like me
20:52 < fenn> you're not a girl :(
20:52 < kanzure> i can confirm this >:(
20:52 < ybit> heh
20:52 < kanzure> fenn is more likely to be a good detector of martian girls
20:53 < fenn> i have unresolved emotional issues which prevent me from acting on my observations
20:53  * ybit wants fenn's detectors
20:53 < kanzure> put him in a room with one "oh yep definitely, something's off in here"
20:53 < ybit> hehe
20:54 < fenn> you guys should hang out in san francisco at some point in your life
20:54 < ybit> i would like to
20:55 < ybit> is there something i'm supposed to observe?
20:55 < fenn> also, MIT seems to be a good place to meet martian girls
20:56 < ybit> yeah... good friend of mine keeps telling me there's plenty for me, he and his girlfriend were sitting in a coffee shop naming girls i could date
20:56 < ybit> er, they are both @ mit
20:56 < kanzure> there was this blog post by a girl on okcupid who dated 100 guys in like 3 months
20:56 < ybit> sounds like my cousin
20:56 < fenn> was it nonvotphod?
20:56 < kanzure> i hate her because that's at least 10-15x more difficult for a guy to do
20:57 < ybit> yeah
20:57 < ybit> i'm supposed to be meeting some girl tomorrow afternoon, she apparently only speak spanish too
20:58 < kanzure> http://www.talknerdytomelover.com/home/2011/4/29/nerdsunite-an-analysis-of-103-okcupid-dates-in-9-months.html
20:58 < kanzure> ah, 9 months
20:58 < fenn> that's one every 3 days
20:58 < kanzure> not bad
20:58 < foucist> guys can do that if they lower their standards
20:58 < kanzure> i think i know of her because she dated ryan bethencourt
20:58 < fenn> i'm pretty sure todd's friend michelle did more than that
20:59 < kanzure> you're right, once every 3 days isn't that hard for a guy to do
20:59 < kanzure> i guess i thought it was more like 1 a day, with a new guy every time
20:59 < fenn> hum, well if you care go study PUA techniques
20:59 < kanzure> been there, done that.. don't care that much
21:00 < fenn> that price is right screenshot looks like it's from 1975
21:00 < kanzure> but, PUA skills have this really strange cross-over with self-promotion and getting money from investors
21:01 < fenn> yep
21:01 < fenn> CONFIDENCE!!!!!!
21:01 < fenn> and reality distortion
21:01 < kanzure> a field of it
21:01 < kanzure> a reality distortion field
21:01 < fenn> just think of it like hacking people's perception
21:02 < kanzure> you might think i'm a moderately good programmer, but in reality i'm really a slightly better moderately good programmer
21:02 < kanzure> ::handwaving::
21:02 < fenn> i dont get why this chick thinks she's a nerd
21:02 < kanzure> she runs a BLOG OMG
21:02 < fenn> "look i'm on the internet!"
21:02 < kanzure> "and it's not facebook!"
21:03 < foucist> she mentioned something about a high IQ..
21:03 < foucist> but man she's wayyy fucking hot
21:03 < kanzure> people who mention high IQs are just scum
21:04 < kanzure> she looks like a toy that will snap if you look at her wrong
21:04 < foucist> "ks. The ONE thing I loved about dating the mentalist was that for the first time in my life I felt like I was dating someone as smart as me. (Well, technically speaking, I am actually smarter than him. No, like in a very literal sense - I have a guaranteed higher IQ based on the ability to execute alone. MWAHAHA!!! Suckkaaaa!)"
21:04 < fenn> describes herself as "online reputation manager"
21:05 < fenn> is it just me or is that about as un-nerdy as you can get and still do internet stuff?
21:05 < kanzure> i'ts not just you.
21:06 < fenn> speaking of IQ, how do you take lots of IQ tests without your scores getting skewed because you've memorized all the questions?
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21:06 < fenn> i've noticed that within a given IQ test all the questions are very similar
21:06 < fenn> once you find a pattern you can zip through the rest of them
21:06 < fenn> but they calculate it as if all the questions are equally difficult
21:07 < fenn> this question derives from my interest in nootropics and whether they actually do anything, fwiw
21:07 < kanzure> i don't know why someone like her saying that about IQ is such a huge turn-off to me
21:08 < kanzure> what do you want? tracthenburg all the time? jeeze
21:09 < fenn> man with world's highest IQ works as a night club bouncer, and writing a mathematical proof of the existence of god in his spare time
21:10 < kanzure> isn't that the same thing the man with the biggest dick does?
21:10 < fenn> no, he's a talk show host
21:11 < fenn> so how do i go about measuring the effects of nootropics?
21:12 < kanzure> http://listen.di.fm/public3/goapsy.pls
21:12 < kanzure> fenn: what level of detail do you want
21:12 < kanzure> psychometrics? neurophysiology data?
21:12 < kanzure> chemical?
21:12 < fenn> something that correlates with drug intake
21:12 < fenn> preferably a useful behavior or test performance
21:13 < kanzure> haha but that devolves quickly..
21:13 < kanzure> "useful behavior" "what is the goal" "how should an optimal agent behave" blah blah blah
21:13 < kanzure> the reality is that researchers just use lame color association tests and other shit
21:13 < fenn> goa :\
21:13 < fenn> at least do psytrance
21:14  * kanzure changes
21:14 < kanzure> er
21:14 < kanzure> help?
21:15 < fenn> huh. di.fm doesn't have anything i like
21:15 < fenn> maybe breaks
21:15 < kanzure> breaks?
21:15 < fenn> blah nm
21:17 < fenn> kinda slow but i liked many of these http://dl.dropbox.com/u/946099/interiorlabyrinths.zip
21:17 < kanzure> heh ambient.pls is playing "Stars Of The Lid - Austin Texas Mental Hospital (Part 1)"
21:18 < fenn> rm *kraddy*
21:19 < fenn> kanzure: okay how do i measure programming productivity? that's a specific enough goal
21:19 < kanzure> project milestones
21:19 < fenn> certainly writing a functioning program is better than not having written anything at all
21:19 < kanzure> do you have enough data to judge past performance on milestones?
21:19 < fenn> but the problem with this test is you can't compare the difficulty of writing program A vs program B
21:20 < kanzure> that's true, but if you're sane of mind you will be picking sufficiently small or sufficiently correctly-sized programs in the first place
21:20 < fenn> "incommensurability"
21:21 < fenn> i'm just trying to avoid confirmation bias more than anything
21:22 < kanzure> i dunno who said it first but patri brought to my attention that "n=1 might sound bad, but it's n equals you and that's the one that matters, so what if you're fooling yourself if the results are correct"
21:23 < kanzure> of course, i agree with you..
21:23 < fenn> guh.. because it might have side effects which you're ignoring?
21:23 < kanzure> there are a lot of different tests for attention shifting but honestly i've never been convinced..
21:24 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/autism/multitasking/
21:24 < fenn> i don't think attention is the end-all-be-all of intelligence
21:24 < kanzure> (dunno why that's in 'autism')
21:24 < kanzure> 'multiple errands shopping test' heh
21:24 < fenn> heh
21:24 < kanzure> actually that was a rather interesting article
21:24 < kanzure> some people failed in rather spectacular ways
21:25 < kanzure> like re-visiting the same store multiple times
21:25 < fenn> "go buy six orange, a prime number of eggs, and a loaf of bread that is not made from a grain, while juggling"
21:25 < kanzure> "while also reciting the launch sequence for apollo 13"
21:27 < fenn> "I have a guaranteed higher IQ based on the ability to execute alone."-girl didnt read the literature
21:27 < kanzure> oh man that's right.. "Separable brain systems supporting cued versus self-initiated realization of delayed intentions"
21:27 < kanzure> 'delayed intentions' are funky
21:27 < kanzure> poorly understood but i find them very frequent in my daily life
21:28 < fenn> uh, like remembering to do stuff?
21:28 < kanzure> yes
21:28 < foucist> meh.. social media seems like a lot of fucking work
21:28 < kanzure> foucist: just write lots of bots
21:28 < kanzure> many people think i'm an actual person
21:28 < foucist> (stil lreading that nerd girl's post)
21:28 < kanzure> the reality is much more hilarious
21:29 < foucist> kanzure: you can't fool me, i hacked your webcam
21:29 < fenn> he's running the synthetic pigeonrank algorithm
21:29 < fenn> you know those birds that peck at a glass of water?
21:29 < foucist> you've got a pizza stain on your greay sweatshirt
21:29 < foucist> heh
21:29 < kanzure> that's not a stain that's a whole pizza slice
21:29 < fenn> score!
21:29 < foucist> lol
21:30 < kanzure> foucist: so you weren't around when i was doing this,
21:30 < kanzure> but i used to have crawlers on top of okcupid
21:31 < kanzure> the dynamics of online dating are such that it's a novel thing for about 5min, but no guy should ever spend more than 10min in his entire life on it
21:31 < kanzure> however, there's a lot of data.. and various ways to game the system with fake profiles and mass-visiting profiles
21:33 < fenn> better than television, i say
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21:38 < kanzure> it's been too long since i've gone through some of these papers
21:38 < kanzure> this is nice
21:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/The%20role%20of%20the%20thalamus%20in%20the%20flow%20of%20information%20to%20the%20cortex.pdf
21:39 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Single-channel%20recording%20of%20ligand-gated%20ion%20channels.pdf
21:39 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Resolving%20single%20cone%20inputs%20to%20visual%20receptive%20fields.pdf
21:39 < kanzure> why can't more science be like that.
21:41 < fenn> because grad students don't have access to robots and end up wasting all their time pipetting stuff around instead of building useful optogenetic tools
21:41 < kanzure> grad students should learn not to take so much shit
21:41 < fenn> the eye just happens to be an optogenetic system already
21:42 < fenn> unfortunately, that's the trait that's been selected for
21:45 < kanzure> how do you explain tony
21:46 < fenn> i dont really know that much about him
21:46 < fenn> physics? obsessed with cellular automata, some kind of family connection with aboriginal rights?
21:46 < kanzure> uh, tim
21:47 < kanzure> sorry
21:47 < kanzure> tim
21:47 < fenn> tim who?
21:47 < kanzure> marzullo
21:47 < kanzure> tim marzullo makes way more sense in context
21:47 < fenn> oh, uh.. played commodore64 as a kid i guess
21:48 < fenn> i don't really know why he's going on this crusade
21:48 < kanzure> windmills.
21:49 < kanzure> oh great they are making $4k/mo
21:49 < kanzure> http://www.backyardbrains.com/finance.aspx
21:49 < kanzure> well that's good
21:50 < fenn> wow
21:54 < fenn> hm. scroogle.org lets you verify that everyone else actually sees those google search results too
21:57 < kanzure> the quality of dragonball seems to be much more consistent than dbz
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22:06 < JayDugger> Which did you see at an earlier age?
22:06 < kanzure> both, but more of dbz
22:07 < JayDugger> Hmm...so much for that theory.
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22:08 < JayDugger> I spent some time earlier today, while staying up late and awaiting FedEx, going through Wikipedia and looking up old anime I'd only heard of, but not seen, when I was a teenager.
22:08 < JayDugger> (Pre-Internet, pre-machine translation, pre-ADV films)
22:09 < JayDugger> Well, not pre-Internet, but I didn't have an Internet connection twenty-five years ago.
22:09 < kanzure> you mean.. the era of VHS passed down from the coast?
22:09 < JayDugger> Yes.
22:09 < JayDugger> You may improvise feigned shock.
22:10 < JayDugger> None of the series I researched produced a sense of wonder nor seemed so exotic now-a-days as they once did.
22:11 < kanzure> maybe they were insufficiently esoteric
22:11 < JayDugger> Your comment about DBZ and Dragonball made me wonder if something similar happened to you.
22:11 < JayDugger> Aura Battler Dunbine?
22:11 < kanzure> since, after all, you were hearing about them even without internet
22:12 < JayDugger> That's a possibility.
22:13 < kanzure> man why the hell don't we have ourselves any manga chicks in here
22:13 < JayDugger> I suspect my ignorance of the various then-rumored anime just kept me from applying Sturgeon's Law to them.
22:13 < JayDugger> Otherwise I'd have suspected that 90% of them lacked merit.
22:14 < JayDugger> ...
22:15 < JayDugger> Those who like manga, or the less likely those who resemble characters from manga?
22:15 < JayDugger> The latter, thankfully, exist in such small numbers that you might complain we have no Sasquatch or Yeti.
22:16 < kanzure> who like manga
22:16  * kanzure sleeps
22:16 < JayDugger> Oh.
22:18 < fenn> if you build it, they will come
22:19 < fenn> (a ten story robot exoskeleton, that is)
22:27 < JayDugger> Heck, yes! Where am I headed to see this?
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23:13 < foucist> a field in iowa of course
23:13 < foucist> same place as field of dreams
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