--- Log opened Mon Jul 11 00:00:37 2011
01:45  * fenn blinks
01:45 < fenn> the difference is volume, precision, and cross contamination
01:46 < fenn> pipetbot is like 2-10 nl with 1 nl precision, disposable tips, 96 well plates
01:46 < fenn> i didn't actually see delinquentme's thing running *ahem cough cough* so i don't know really how it works
01:47 < fenn> but it looked like it was designed for 1-25 ml volumes
01:48 < fenn> btw who the hell is alex kiselev
01:48 < fenn> department of math, UW, so what
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01:49 < fenn> i always wanted a cheap simple pipetting robot as an undergrad lab slave
01:49 < fenn> i would be doing some good for the world by making it a reality, and lots of people need it (more than cheap pcr machines even)
01:50 < fenn> QuantumG: the above rambling about pipetbot was in response to kanzure's comment about thiel funding diybio startup-or-something projects
01:51 < fenn> foucist: does your name refer to foucault?
01:54 < fenn> (defun control (x) (control x))
01:54 < fenn> smoke and mirrors can still make a doorway to infinity
01:56 < fenn> 30 people in here and you're all asleep?
01:57 < fenn> well, CIA-18 gnusha and nsh are bots
02:00 < foucist> fenn: nope
02:00 < foucist> based off the acronym FOUC (flash of unstyled content)
02:00 < foucist> but double meaning..  like mentalist
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05:10 < kanzure> fenn: alex is Tyrant (in here)
05:27 < kanzure> i messed up and my cookie expired while scraping quartzy
05:27 < kanzure> :(
05:28 < kanzure> up to file 368356
05:29 < streety> what's quartzy?
05:31 < kanzure> some lab inventory management site thingy
05:31 < kanzure> i'm scraping their inventory database
05:31 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/quartzy/
05:31 < kanzure> do not load "files2/" on your own :) 168k files
05:32 < kanzure> oops 260k files
05:33 < streety> sounds intersting
05:33  * streety fights the temptation to click through to files2
05:34 < kanzure> fight it! fight!
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06:28 < kanzure> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cathalgarvey/Books/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Biotechnology
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06:33 < kanzure> bleh that's taking way too long to generate
06:33 < kanzure> why didn't cathal just link to a pdf
06:52 < kanzure> "Render server error" well fuck this :(
06:55 < streety> a book feels like a step backwards from hypertext
06:55 < kanzure> it is!
06:55 < streety> unless the end product is actually a physical book
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06:55 < kanzure> even that is a step backwards
06:56 < streety> true, but I don't see how it can be avoided in that medium
06:57 < kanzure> through anger, violence and force of will?
06:58 < kanzure> peaceful protest?
06:59 < streety> currently at 65% on the book rendering
06:59 < kanzure> this is dumb.. there's probably more than just 2 of us trying to render it at the moment
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07:00 < streety> you'd assume they have some system to avoid the same book being rendered multiple times
07:02 < kanzure> i think it's because they want to get all of the latest versions together
07:02 < kanzure> but, not everything needs to be re-rendered, i imagine
07:03 < streety> still you can encode a version reference for each page in the identifier and invalidate the cache any time a doc changes
07:05 < kanzure> streety: are you going to be in nyc this week
07:05 < streety> unlikely, is something special happening?
07:06 < kanzure> fbi/diybio workshop thinger
07:10 < streety> rendering the book failed
07:12 < streety> is the nyc thing to code of conduct meeting that was discussed a while ago or is it something different?
07:12 < kanzure> something different
07:13 < kanzure> "code of conduct" stuff is too secretive
07:13 < kanzure> those guys really need to stop being secretive about that
07:13 < kanzure> "it's so sekr1t we can only talk about it in person"
07:15 < streety> Yeah, I remember the European meeting being a couple months ago but heard nothing fed back to the community at large.
07:16 < streety> Checking the site the US one has apparently also been and gone
07:16 < kanzure> yep
07:16 < kanzure> i've been trying to keep mac in line about these sorts of things
07:16 < kanzure> like, i've told him that it's not right for him to keep things like this secretive or not in the community over the years
07:17 < kanzure> he just shrugs it off..
07:19 < streety> the danger is that the community will also just shrug it off and ignore whatever results.  Even if much of it would be a good thing.
07:20 < streety> We do need some sort of framework to work with (it was good to see Cathal get approval for instance) but it's no use if it only works for a couple of hackerspaces
07:20 < kanzure> i'm not so sure.. back in 2008/2009 a lot of the discussion would quickly devolve
07:20 < kanzure> like into suggestions for a moratorium and other BS
07:21 < streety> not so good.  I really don't see how that can even work when you have an international community only loosely attached to "diybio"
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07:35 < kanzure> just talked with the fbi
07:35 < kanzure> they want me to talk more about my involvement in transhumanism
07:43 < streety> is there a link with more info on this event?  Size/scope/purpose etc?
07:44 < kanzure> it's like last year's diybio/fbi workshop i guess (i didn't go)
07:44 < kanzure> day 1 is hanging out at fbi nyc hq
07:44 < kanzure> day 2 is hanging out at genspace
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07:47 < streety> certainly sounds interesting
07:57 < kanzure> mpictor is probably someone worth talking with..
07:57 < kanzure> he seems to have made some commits to heekscad.git
07:57 < kanzure> plus he's trying to use the step class library (some of his emails are on om)
07:59 < fenn> i have never seen this "tyrant"
08:00 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/tyrant.log
08:01 < fenn> is he an "espian"? (god i hate that name)
08:02 < fenn> this must be a person you talk to regularly on the phone
08:03 < fenn> he sounds knowledgeable in praxis for a maths professor
08:03 < kanzure> no he's not an espian
08:03 < kanzure> i haven't talked with tyrant on the phone ever
08:03 < kanzure> he isn't a math professor
08:04 < fenn> right, i just figured that out :P
08:04 < kanzure> he's just someone from socal-diybio that joseph started to sponsor for 20under20
08:04 < kanzure> i knew of him from his random posts about their dna sequencer troubles
08:05 < fenn> is joseph (jackson?) involved with the thiel foundation?
08:05 < kanzure> yes
08:05 < kanzure> he's been weasling his way in
08:05 < kanzure> looks like it worked for 20under20 but alex didn't keep joseph in the loop or something
08:05 < kanzure> and now he's got them doing this diybio grants thingy
08:05 < fenn> teh lulz. :\
08:06 < kanzure> so the fbi wants me to talk about diyhplus stuff
08:07 < fenn> "Mister Bishop, please write a 30 page summary of the current state of government destroying technologies available to the american public."
08:07 < fenn> "kthxbye"
08:08 < fenn> but seriously, what?
08:08 < kanzure> "okay but i won't give you the pgp key to read it"
08:08 < kanzure> well i'm leaving tomorrow for nyc, so i called them up asking them what they want me to present on
08:08 < fenn> joseph says you might be coming to cali again?
08:08 < kanzure> he keeps trying to get me to come out
08:09  * fenn just watched "the social network"
08:09 < fenn> it's kinda true
08:11 < kanzure> honestly for all the time he's spent in the bay what has he got done?
08:12 < kanzure> getting raped by eri? yeah that's appealing..
08:12 < fenn> well, chatting with billionaires seems like a decent start
08:13 < kanzure> i don't see why
08:14 < fenn> you don't believe in hard AI takeoff either
08:14 < fenn> low probability high +/- delta events, man
08:14 < fenn> a couple million is nothing to these people
08:15 < kanzure> peter has never given a couple million except to companies
08:15 < fenn> i know, he's a tight ass
08:15 < fenn> he's also not the only guy with money in the bay area
08:16 < kanzure> mooching just doesn't seem like a viable strategy :(
08:16 < fenn> well, i don't know what joseph's strategy is. maybe you should ask him.
08:16 < fenn> he seems kind of depressed actually
08:16 < kanzure> "be entrenched and hope it pays off knowing all these people"
08:17 < kanzure> dave might be coming with me to halcyon, so if you want to join us that will be fun
08:18 < fenn> you... halcyon, what?
08:18 < fenn> for a tour?
08:18 < fenn> i should probably respond to their job solicitation
08:18 < kanzure> oh they want to attempt to hire me
08:18 < kanzure> so i figure i'll at least tour their facilities
08:19 < fenn> i wonder if i should polish my resume or just walk in and swing my dick around
08:19 < kanzure> you have to sign an nda before dick swinging :/
08:19 < fenn> so be it
08:19 < fenn> i bet it's just to cover up how embarrassingly behind they are
08:19 < kanzure> i'll be there on the 20th
08:20 < kanzure> probably
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08:20 < kanzure> i'm not really sure what they are thinking at this point
08:20 < kanzure> they are 1 of 30 companies doing next-gen sequencing
08:20 < fenn> not that many
08:20 < fenn> more like 8
08:20 < kanzure> and they claim that their real mission is longevity/rejuvenation
08:20 < kanzure> i have a list somewhere
08:21 < fenn> pacific biosciences and ion torrent are the only ones remotely interesting
08:21 < kanzure> there's about three or four nanopore companies
08:21 < kanzure> i'm just talking about VC monies
08:21 < fenn> eh?
08:21 < kanzure> clearly only a handful will have a product ever
08:22 < fenn> pacific bio is just fiddling around with camera stuff now i think
08:23 < fenn> um, did i mention the drugs are working
08:23 < kanzure> once
08:23  * fenn cackles madly
08:23 < kanzure> oh god
08:24 < fenn> quick get the tesla coil
08:24 < kanzure> but i don't have a tesla coil
08:24 < fenn> and you call yourself a mad scientist
08:24 < kanzure> i'm an angry scientist
08:24 < fenn> quick get the cattle prod
08:24 < fenn> i learned a disturbing fact the other day
08:24 < fenn> i won't share it, nevermind
08:25 < fenn> time for breakfast
08:25 < fenn> i'm attempting to do the zone diet
08:25 < fenn> need to write a food parser so i can automatically compute my carb/fat/protein ratio
08:27 < fenn> i guess i'll never know if i actually had a candida infection
08:27 < fenn> it's plausible that the cordyceps killed it
08:27 < fenn> i no longer feel sugar cravings in any case
08:28 < kanzure> i've written a tiny tool to help me decide what to eat
08:28 < kanzure> by "help me decide" i mean "tell me"
08:28 < kanzure> it turns out i like soups and nuts
08:29 < fenn> okay. how does it work?
08:30 < kanzure> food log (to mix things up a bit) and some amount of rand()
08:30 < kanzure> very tiny
08:30 < fenn> do you rate your enjoyment or something?
08:30 < kanzure> not right now
08:30 < kanzure> what i'd like to do is import austin restaurants and their hours
08:31 < fenn> a neat thing to do is track how you feel an hour after eating
08:31 < kanzure> so that i can eat out at 3am at someplace half decent
08:31 < fenn> yeah i want that too
08:31 < fenn> problem is nothing's open at 3 am anyway
08:32 < fenn> in a city jam packed with nocturnal weirdos you'd expect at least a few
08:33 < fenn> i go into noisebridge at 5 am on saturday and someone's doing a scrum sprint on their web startup
08:33 < fenn> (by someone i mean 8 people)
08:33 < fenn> it looked boring; i feel sorry for them
08:35 < kanzure> i was surprised to see a list of six or eight people for upverter.com
08:35 < kanzure> it's a two-man job
08:35 < fenn> someone needs to set up a factory that makes just one honkin big pill with all your medicine and vitamins and stuff in it
08:35 < fenn> ooo schematics wow~ *wank*
08:36 < kanzure> yeah.. :/
08:36 < fenn> i was talking with a chip designer yesterday about automatic design tools
08:36 < kanzure> verilog/vhdl stuff?
08:36 < fenn> apparently they do everything in verilog and it gets back-compiled from the chip masks into a schematic
08:36 < kanzure> yes
08:36 < kanzure> it's pretty cool
08:37 < fenn> the schematic includes parasitic capacitance and inductance etc
08:37 < kanzure> i also like C++->ASIC shit
08:38 < fenn> do you think tryptophan supplementation does anything?
08:38 < kanzure> dunno
08:38 < kanzure> sorry
09:07  * fenn takes a nap
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10:30 < kanzure> ahhhhh cern uses <marquee>
10:43 < kanzure> wait did i spell that correctly
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10:57 < kanzure> CERN drawing directory http://edms-service.web.cern.ch/edms-service/CDD/
10:57 < kanzure> edms logins don't seem to work
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11:14 < kanzure> mac sez "lol.  I'd like to know the thermocyclers he's referring to.  Sub $500 thermocyclers only available in India?"
11:14 < kanzure> does he seriously think these cost $500?
11:14 < fenn> more context plz
11:16 < kanzure> some random diybio thread about thermocyclers again
11:16 < kanzure> aren't you napping
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11:19 < fenn> couldn't sleep
11:19 < fenn> i guess 4 hours is enough now
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11:35 < kanzure> latest spam: "(No Subject)" "Urgent Partner Needed For Business" is this more sophisticated or less? i can't tell
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12:25 < fenn> entertaining reading, compare to orion's arm on a smaller scale http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-series
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12:32 < strages> what is this scp stuff?  I've read all entries from 001-194 but I don't understand what it's all for or where it comes from
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12:38 < fenn> it appears to be a resource for DIY futuristic role playing games
12:47 < kanzure> thingiverse is hiring a web developer http://groups.google.com/group/thingiverse/t/1160371476522b45
12:51 < kanzure> i really really need someone i know to fill that job
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12:53 < kanzure> like ybit maybe.
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13:02 < fenn> the life extension foundation is giving money to humanity+? this just seems like an incestuous circle
13:03 < fenn> what the hell is "mycozyme"
13:04 < lumos> fenn, hahaha
13:04 < kanzure> yes it is an incestous circle
13:04 < lumos> fenn,  my cozy me
13:05 < fenn> it's some kind of digestive enzyme, possibly for degrading starches
13:05 < fenn> but i can't seem to find any official ish info
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13:09 < kanzure> life extension foundation gave humanity+ $15k to put an ad on hplusmagazine
13:09 < kanzure> the ad got only 100-200 clicks over its entire lifetime (like.. one year)
13:09 < kanzure> ads typically get 1% click through, so that's 2 impressions at $7.5k/impression
13:10 < kanzure> their landing page probably doesn't convert more than 5% or something
13:10 < kanzure> so they pay maybe $37,500/customer in marketing costs... which strikes me as bullshit
13:11 < kanzure> oops s/impression/clicker
13:11 < fenn> der what. i didnt see this yesterday when i was at there "We have a full-featured VR system with a
13:11 < fenn> 15x15x8 foot tracking volume at the Hacker Dojo. The wearable system itself is based on an alienware laptop and an eMagin
13:11 < fenn> z800 pro (stereoscopic)."
13:12 < kanzure> it's hidden behind the metamaterial cloak maybe?
13:12 < fenn> in the super secret basement safe room?
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13:13 < fenn> ug, too much mail
13:13 < fenn> i'm sure you would laugh
13:14 < fenn> "only 7000 unread messages? ha, ha, ha."
13:14 < kanzure> why are you involving yourself with humanityplus
13:15 < fenn> i'm not, they just keep sending me mail
13:15 < kanzure> story of my life
13:15 < fenn> i don't even know how i got on the list
13:15 < jrayhawk> expecting the value of banner ads to be in click-throughs and conversion rates is a good way of throwing money into a black hole
13:15 < kanzure> iirc they all have inflated ideas of how much traffic their blog gets
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13:16 < jrayhawk> the importance of almost all advertising is in the field of branding and awareness.
13:20 < fenn> "if we just convince consumers that we make a quality product, we don't actually have to make a quality product'
13:21 < jrayhawk> actually it's more 'if we convince consumers we exist and are important, we're already better off than 95 percent of our opposition'
13:21 < kanzure> i was hanging out at a family bbq-hooray-we're-back-from-our-ridiculous-vacation and suddenly all of the kiddos started going on and on about how much apple identifies with them and their teenage angst
13:23 < kanzure> then i went on a killing spree
13:25 < jrayhawk> i am curious to hear their explanation for that
13:25 < kanzure> i didn't say anything
13:25 < kanzure> i just let it happen :(
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13:52 < kanzure> heh weird intersection of china being interested in open source hardware
13:52 < kanzure> http://richardfxopen.blogspot.com/2011/07/cern.html
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15:23 < fenn> "thalanylzirconio-methyl-tetrahydro-triazatriphenylene"
15:25 < kanzure> behold the glory http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/typespeed.score
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15:30 < fenn> my forearms hurt just looking at that
15:30 < fenn> centiseconds wtf kind of busted unit is that
15:32 < kanzure> well that's my best guess
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15:32 < kanzure> milliseconds definitely doesn't make sense for that
15:34 < kanzure> had to look it up in file.c but unfortunately it's all hungarian notation (sorta)
15:34 < kanzure> fstat tcount tfuckeveryonebutme
15:36 < kanzure> oh centiseconds make sense if there's 10 redraws per second
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16:14 < kanzure> fenn: check out those alibre emails i forwarded you
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16:39 < QuantumG> I wonder when someone is going to get serious about making and storing antimatter
16:48 < fenn> kanzure: okay. so what
16:48 < fenn> why are you even getting those emails?
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19:27 < kanzure> fenn: i thought they were hilarious :/
19:27 < kanzure> i get them because dave and i were going to pitch to the alibre peeps
19:39 < kanzure> we should spend all of peter thiel's money on a diybio anime
20:21 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51J3wKgaTkM shouldn't take me so long to find a freaking sub
20:27 < kanzure> wow youtube has blocked "information high"
20:27 < kanzure> glad i grabbed that
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