--- Log opened Tue Jul 19 00:00:48 2011 00:55 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:56 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:18 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:26 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- survivalmachine [~survivalm@64.252.1.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:45 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:57 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:43 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:03 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:17 < fenn> huh. apparently meredith patterson will be at langton in august 04:17 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:24 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:52 -!- Lucas__ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:14 < foucist> *stalker alert* 05:18 < Lucas__> ... 05:34 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 < fenn> langton is my house you fuckwad 05:37 < foucist> lol, even with that extra information, the joke still works! 05:37 < fenn> *lurks angrily* 05:39 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:40 < kanzure> angry lurking is the best lurking 05:40 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 < kanzure> how was "fenn doesn't exercise" a valid heuristic 05:49 < kanzure> wait anselm goes by ansi? you should start going by iso 06:00 < kanzure> have you met meredith yet? she's really fun in person 06:28 < fenn> intentional exercise, not that which was required due to poverty 06:28 < fenn> why "iso"? 06:28 < fenn> oh, i get it 06:28 < fenn> and my cousin "eia" 06:34 < kanzure> i don't get eia 06:35 < fenn> electronics industry association 06:35 < kanzure> sounds lame 06:35 < fenn> :( 06:35 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 < kanzure> hey uh i'm having trouble with my qs presentation 06:35 < kanzure> i don't have 20 things 06:35 < kanzure> i have maybe 2 screenshots of this old 2004-2006 "NEVER SEEN BEFORE" version 06:35 < kanzure> screenshot of yaml 06:36 < kanzure> giant tag cloud 06:36 < kanzure> graph of people-per-day 06:36 < fenn> uh huh. text won't go over so well 06:36 < fenn> when do you arrive btw? 06:36 < kanzure> the point is that it's a loud not to actually read it 06:36 < kanzure> i arrive at 3:15pm ish.. but i gotta husstle to meet everyone 06:36 < fenn> heh 06:37 < fenn> gotta be back in austin in time for .. something 06:37 < kanzure> no i mean the presentation is at 8pm 06:37 < kanzure> and joseph/nathan/toothpaste want to meet between then 06:37 < fenn> what the hell kind of name is toothpaste 06:37 < kanzure> some chinese guy.. i don't know man 06:38 < kanzure> what other slides should i have? 06:38 < kanzure> i can talk about different motivating factors on a few slides but it might be boring? "can't keep track of 4000 people X 100 things each" 06:39 < fenn> maybe some visual aid representing a communication matrix 06:39 < kanzure> a graph of an individual person maybe from 06:39 < fenn> monkeysphere visualization aid 06:39 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/graphs/ 06:39 < kanzure> anything in ../ look good there? 06:40 < fenn> ah the infamous al gore hockeystick 06:40 < kanzure> wut 06:40 < fenn> what's "lines of code" 06:40 < kanzure> commits in ~/code y me 06:40 < kanzure> by me 06:40 < fenn> just noticing the sudden spike in everything 2009-10-01 06:40 < kanzure> that might have been a spike in recording behavior 06:41 < fenn> indeed 06:41 < kanzure> i remember it being something like that.. not anything like "being more social" 06:41 < kanzure> but i've been fairly consistent since then 06:41 < fenn> well, gary is going to ask, "why do you do this?" and "what did you learn from doing this?" better start thinking of answers quick 06:42 < kanzure> he asked me that last year and i didn't have an answer for the second one 06:42 < kanzure> "i've learned how to love" ? or "I've learned that I hate everone. Everyone. All of them." 06:42 < kanzure> *everyone 06:43 < fenn> "i've learned that graphs aren't magical data analysis tools" 06:43 < kanzure> hah 06:43 < fenn> sorry i don't know, i hate powerpoint 06:43 < fenn> come up with some ideas 06:43 < kanzure> i've learned that people pop up in really weird niches and they don't expect to be cross-correlated 06:43 < fenn> you dont necessarily have to talk about stuff you've done, ideas to do in the future is fun too 06:44 < fenn> ah yes talk about that 06:44 < fenn> specific examples plz 06:44 < kanzure> hmm 06:44 < kanzure> todd? 06:44 < fenn> imploding universe hypothesis strikes again! 06:44 < kanzure> i think he expects to be found 06:45 < fenn> krotos 06:45 < kanzure> who? 06:45 < fenn> hmph. stupid internet 06:45 < kanzure> i was going to go over the whole "mom didn't know about transhumanism/diybio" 06:45 < fenn> nevermind 06:45 < kanzure> or "mom wants to know why the fbi is paying me a visit" 06:45 < fenn> yeah that's a nice anecdote 06:46 < kanzure> future features that would be cool: 06:46 < kanzure> tag/interest clustering 06:46 < kanzure> finally making my giant auto-email creator 06:46 < kanzure> automatic communication reminders/frequencies 06:47 < fenn> how hard would it be to cluster people by tag coincidence? 06:47 < kanzure> some way to increase deep bumps/synchronizations (i kinda fail at having the 6-hour-lets-really-talk things with everyone.. it happens more rarely than it should) 06:47 < kanzure> not hard at all.. 06:47 < fenn> i mean this is like a 5 line hack with graphviz and fdp graph layout algorithm 06:47 < fenn> do it! 06:47 < kanzure> er.. 06:47 < kanzure> is it? i haven't done this in a while 06:47 < kanzure> i have a list of People objects each with People.tags (a list of tags) 06:48 < kanzure> the list is weighted 06:48 < fenn> make a node for each tag, make a node for each person, make a link between each person and each tag 06:48 < kanzure> what... 06:48 < kanzure> that's not how you do clustering 06:48 < fenn> bah 06:48 < fenn> this is a 2d projection 06:48 < kanzure> you assume that there's K number of groups, then you group people into each group based on a similarity metric 06:48 < fenn> whatever 06:48 < kanzure> right? 06:48 < fenn> i know what k means is 06:48 < kanzure> well i assume k-means would be appropriate here 06:49 < fenn> meh 06:49 < kanzure> your described graph sounds like it would be messy? 06:49 < fenn> yes 06:49 < fenn> or not, i dont really know 06:49 < fenn> do it! 06:49 < kanzure> guess it doesn't matter... nobody will be actually looking :) 06:49 < fenn> actually you should zoom in a bit and point out the interesting bits 06:50 < fenn> dont assume nobody will be watching your presentation when planning your presentation :P 06:50 < kanzure> how would your tag/people-node-graph be organized? 06:50 < fenn> by natural clusters, of course 06:50 < kanzure> i mean which layout algorithm 06:50 < fenn> fdp or kamada-kawai, but kamada-kawai tends to get stuck more easily 06:51 < fenn> play around with number of iterations, etc 06:51 < fenn> there are a lot of parameters 06:51 < kanzure> fdp? http://www.ixalon.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lbp_user_hearts_subsample_2877nodes.png 06:51 < fenn> yeah something like that 06:52 < fenn> that's obviously a computer network 06:52 < kanzure> libpolkit-gobject-1-0: Breaks: libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (< 0.99) but 0.95-1 is to be installed 06:52 < kanzure> aw shit why don't i have graphviz installed 06:54 < kanzure> realistically i don't know how i am going to do this in the next 2 hours 06:56 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 < kanzure> haha should i graph git commit frequency for meetlog.git :P 07:08 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:09 < kanzure> lolz i'm going to add a break slide 07:13 < kanzure> finding one error at a time in meetlog is really lame.. 07:13 < kanzure> takes 30sec each time to parse the file 07:13 < fenn> chop it into pieces 07:13 < kanzure> (it used to take 30min to parse the file) 07:14 < kanzure> which day should i show for a screenshot of yaml? 07:43 < kanzure> "Second, attached is a contact list for all attendees and participants from the workshop. Please utilize these contacts freely, as continuing these established relationships will stand to benefit both the DIYbio and FBI communities." 07:43 < kanzure> hmmmm 08:03 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:11 < kanzure> fenn: does your sdf email still work 08:12 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-92-128.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:22 < kanzure> BEHOLD http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/presentations/quantified-self/meetlog.pdf 08:28 < Utopiah> knowledge? 08:29 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:34 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 < fenn> yes, but i'm getting a lot of spam (probably from skdb git repo) 08:40 < fenn> so walgreens doesn't sell hair bleach, can you fucking believe it. should i dump sodium persulfate on my head? 08:42 < fenn> people write the damnedest things 08:43 < fenn> notice how "i" has two wings on each side. that is to visually assist with the understanding that such a variable is liberating 08:43 < fenn> LOL (this is a drowning man who is dancing; we're all drowning, might as well go down dancing and laughing out loud) 08:46 < kanzure> are you reading spam.. 08:47 < archels> kanzure: Cumulative People Per Day is not really cumulative, is it? 08:47 < kanzure> Utopiah: extra data that i have added that either someone told me about someone else, or that i figured out by stalking 08:47 < kanzure> archels: do'h.. i suppose you're right 08:47 < kanzure> it's cumulative-within-the-day 08:47 < kanzure> :P 08:54 < streety> for pg3 where is the red line? 08:55 < streety> and pg4 09:03 < kanzure> not present 09:13 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:17 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-19-130.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 -!- ybit [~yottabit@108-199-8-125.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39 -!- yottabit [~yottabit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- yottabit is now known as ybit 09:45 < fenn> 30 Hz can't possibly be right 09:46 < fenn> uh, please dont fuck up the "imploding universe hypothesis" 09:46 < fenn> i wasn't suggesting you speak about it 09:47 < fenn> am i going to have to make this graph for you 09:47 -!- ybit2 [~yottabit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- ybit [~yottabit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:48 -!- ybit2 is now known as ybit 09:49 < ybit> i had a dream where patri friedman was trying to kill me, i wake up and befriends me on google plus 09:49 < ybit> he befriends* 09:49 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- BaldimerBrandybo [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 < ybit> fenn: are you sure you want to bleach your hair? that could take awhile to clear up, especially if you're hair is still long 09:53 < fenn> worst case scenario it crumbles into dust and i have short hair 09:54 < fenn> however more likely failure mode is it just looks like crap, in which case i dye it black 09:54 * fenn checks his test sample 09:58 < archels> more likely failure mode is bladder cancer, am I right. 09:59 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Helleshin, PixelScum 10:01 < ybit> *rimshot* 10:03 < fenn> bladder cancer? i'm not going to be drinking the stuff... 10:27 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-19-130.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-19-130.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-19-130.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 10:40 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49 -!- survivalmachine [~survivalm@64.252.1.59] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:53 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05 < Utopiah> http://about.jstor.org/news-events/news/jstor-statement-misuse-incident-and-criminal-case (on Aaron Swartz "backup") 12:16 < uniqanomaly> "Our ultimate objective is to provide affordable access to scholarly content to anyone who needs it. 12:16 < uniqanomaly> " 12:16 < uniqanomaly> like 14$/article 12:16 < uniqanomaly> sure, very affordable 12:19 < uniqanomaly> someone should dump all their articles on torrent just for civil disobedience 12:28 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:29 < archels> uniqanomaly: I think that was Aaron's plan. 12:31 < uniqanomaly> not really 12:31 < uniqanomaly> he was just doing automated research 12:31 < archels> Not according to the subpoena, but I'm not sure if that's accurate. 12:32 < archels> er, indictment. http://web.mit.edu/bitbucket/Swartz,%20Aaron%20Indictment.pdf 12:34 < uniqanomaly> http://demandprogress.org/aaron 12:34 < uniqanomaly> He is the author of numerous articles on a variety of topics, especially the corrupting influence of big money on institutions including nonprofits, the media, politics, and public opinion. In conjunction with Shireen Barday, he downloaded and analyzed 441,170 law review articles to determine the source of their funding; the results were published in the Stanford Law Review. From 2010-11, he researched these topics as a Fello 12:34 < uniqanomaly> w at the Harvard Ethics Center Lab on Institutional Corruption. 12:34 < uniqanomaly> so this is fuckin insane 12:38 < archels> yah, but it'll probably end well. 12:42 < uniqanomaly> right, they'll just settle for 4411170 * 14 = 61'756'380 $ 12:42 < uniqanomaly> and he'll be free man again 12:43 < archels> I heard that JSTOR is not even pressing charges. 13:24 -!- Lucas__ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:02 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-92-128.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 14:10 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:35 -!- ybit [~yottabit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:49 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- yottabit [~yottabit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:42 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- lumos [~lumos@afeq149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:44 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-189.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:51 < uniqanomaly> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/217115-20110719-schwartz.html 16:54 -!- BaldimerBrandybo is now known as Drakkar 16:54 -!- Drakkar [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: The beer is meal.] 16:54 -!- Drakkar [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28 -!- alystair [alystair@24-246-14-18.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 < lumos> uniqanomaly, hi 17:34 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:37 < uniqanomaly> hi lumos 17:39 < lumos> uniqanomaly, how are you 17:54 -!- lumos [~lumos@afeq149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:12 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:35 -!- flamoot [d0615665@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.97.86.101] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:35 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- flamoot [d0615665@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.97.86.101] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:51 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53 -!- strages__ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:48 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has quit [Quit: jmil] 20:15 -!- lumos [~lumos@afeq149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- lumos [~lumos@afeq149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 < jrayhawk> APBing if anyone cares 21:41 < jrayhawk> and not APBing anymore 21:41 < jrayhawk> oh, wrong room entirely. 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