--- Log opened Mon Jul 25 00:00:56 2011 00:47 < epitron> you need a hacker keyboard dood 02:48 -!- archels [~neuralnet@unaffiliated/archels] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:59 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:13 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:14 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:15 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@2001:470:dc98:2:218:deff:fe2a:4335] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:59 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:23 -!- mayko [~mayko@69-36-214-157.dynamic.dsl.skybest.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:23 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 -!- foucist [~foucist@ps14150.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 < kanzure> hi foucist 08:22 < kanzure> http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2011/07/24/aaron-swartz-v-united-states/ 08:22 < kanzure> "JSTOR claims no interest in pursuing a legal case." this is what strikes me as the most odd. 08:23 < kanzure> it's quite common for multiple claims to be filed at once.. jstor could easily pay a few k's to a lawyer to write up some additional bologna to add to the lawsuit 08:24 < mjr> they probably don't want more pr hassle 08:27 < kanzure> "JSTOR, for the most part, says the milk was returned--Swartz gave back the downloaded data" 08:28 < archels> hahaha, that makes perfect sense. 08:38 < Juul> 410 seeders :) 08:39 < kanzure> Juul: link to the torrent please? 08:39 < Juul> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331 08:40 < Juul> apparently Archive Team has thrown their resources at it as well 08:40 < kanzure> ah good 08:41 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is that something you'd feel ok seeding? 08:42 < Juul> I wonder how much storage we'd need to store all scientific articles every published 08:43 < kanzure> not much 08:43 < Juul> probably not 08:43 < kanzure> let's be more specific and say all accessible papers 08:43 < Juul> accessible? 08:43 < kanzure> and let's also say that each paper is on average 0.5 MB 08:44 < kanzure> with 100 million papers that's only 50 terabytes 08:44 < Juul> nice Fermi calculation 08:45 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure the number should be less than 100 million though.. 08:45 < Juul> my store of biotech papers averages to about 1.2 megabytes per paper 08:46 < kanzure> are these plaintext or scans 08:47 < Juul> a few are scans and those are definitely the reason the average is so high 08:47 < kanzure> i think we can assume anything in postscript is probably plaintext 08:47 < Juul> http://duncan.hull.name/2010/07/15/fifty-million/ 08:47 < kanzure> anything in pdf from before 1998 can be assumed to be a raw scan 08:48 < kanzure> actually it might be possible to figure out if a pdf is a raw scan from the metadata and looking at the }\ Producer line 08:49 < Juul> what did you mean by "accessible" papers? 08:49 < kanzure> stuff you could download 08:49 < Juul> ah 08:49 < kanzure> not stuff you'd need to do business deals for 08:51 < Juul> when I order a scan of an old article (through my uni) it takes 2-3 days for me to get the scan 08:51 < Juul> which leads me to think that there are articles that haven't been digitally archived 08:51 < kanzure> yup many 08:51 < kanzure> or many that have been archived but that nobody has access to 08:52 < Juul> hm 08:52 < kanzure> i have some code laying around here for removing "obvious" "watermarks" from pdf files 08:52 < Juul> :) 08:52 < kanzure> but i need to talk with someone more versed in steganography to help figure out if there are other fingerprints or watermarks involved 08:53 < kanzure> come to think of it.. if there are hidden messages maybe re-saving the same content into another pdf would jumble the bits well enough 08:54 < Juul> some watermarking techniques, for e.g. images, can survive that you take a screenshot and recompress into e.g. jpg again 08:54 < Juul> but i believe there is image watermark removal software out there 08:54 < kanzure> well the watermarks that i've found aren't really watermarks.. 08:54 < kanzure> like the "DOWNLOADED BY IP 127.0.0.1" in the margins 08:54 < Juul> ah yes 08:55 < kanzure> or the document id in the xml metadata 08:55 < Juul> it would be a good idea to download the same thing from two separate accounts and diff 08:55 < Juul> that would show account-dependant watermarks 08:55 < Juul> and of course they should be downloaded from different physical locations and at different times 08:56 < Juul> any other watermarks are probably not that interesting 08:56 < Juul> what could they show? who created the pdf? that is probably obvious anyway 08:56 < kanzure> let's try it with nature 08:56 < kanzure> can you grab a copy of this? 08:57 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nchembio/journal/v5/n4/pdf/nchembio0409-200.pdf 08:57 < Juul> yeah 08:57 < kanzure> oh wait nevermind i don't have access 08:58 < Juul> oh 08:58 < Juul> hm, I could try to go through both my local uni and lbl 08:58 < Juul> but lbl IT already don't like me, so it might be a bad idea to open an ssh tunnel through there 08:59 < kanzure> ok how about 08:59 < kanzure> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/9696/30604/01417936.pdf?tp=&arnumber=1417936&isnumber=30604 09:00 < kanzure> here's my version: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/01417936.pdf 09:01 < Juul> hm, my university access does not seem to be working 09:01 < Juul> let me try something else 09:06 < Juul> ah! 09:08 < Juul> got it, let me put it up 09:10 < Juul> phone call, gimme a sec 09:19 < Juul> here's mine: http://ven.li/17936_juul.pdf 09:21 < Juul> diff says no difference 09:22 < Juul> md5sum is the same for the two files 09:28 < archels> I think IEEE stopped watermarking at some point, they used to do it in plain sight. 09:32 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:33 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:48 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14 < ybit> kanzure: bradford hawkins, aware of him? 11:14 < ybit> i befriended him on Mendeley because apparently I had his email address in my Gmail address book. 11:16 < ybit> aha 11:16 < ybit> one of the people i spammed at UCI in 2009 11:18 -!- Drakkar [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:18 -!- PixelScum [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 < kanzure> no i don't know him 11:22 < ybit> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.ecology/browse_thread/thread/77885fb8c9dd3a8a/bc836a793f459b12?q=bradford+hawkins#bc836a793f459b12 11:22 < ybit> oh there we are: http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4562 11:59 < kanzure> Synaptic pruning by microglia is necessary for normal brain development. 11:59 < kanzure> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2011/07/20/science.1202529 12:09 -!- mayko [~mayko@69-36-214-157.dynamic.dsl.skybest.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14 < archels> microglia prune synapses? hmmm. 12:16 < archels> Interesting. I always thought of synaptic pruning as endogenous to the cell, as a sort of endocytosis. Guess it can also be more of an exocytosis of a no longer needed synapse. 12:35 -!- mayko [~mayko@69-36-214-157.dynamic.dsl.skybest.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:22 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-5-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-5-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 15:10 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:42 < kanzure> just posted a gist for my droid2png.sh scripts 15:42 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/1105435 15:43 < kanzure> sorry for their awful quality.. didn't think anyone would want them (i was wrong) 15:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-5-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 < Juul> kanzure, what's adb? 15:59 < kanzure> adb is the android debug bridge 16:01 < Juul> ah 16:17 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-80-108.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-5-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@2001:470:dc98:2:218:deff:fe2a:4335] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 < kanzure> AAAHHHHHHHHH https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/issues/2060 20:00 * kanzure throws a keyboard at the wall 20:00 < QuantumG> http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue10/CampaignRealMonopoly1.html 20:00 -!- CIA-94 [~CIA@cia.atheme.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:02 -!- CIA-34 [~CIA@cia.atheme.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:04 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] --- Log closed Tue Jul 26 00:00:57 2011