--- Log opened Tue Jul 26 00:00:57 2011
00:16 < Utopiah> Eri Gentry interviewed about BioCurious and OSCON 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyY9Rj7XhLc
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01:57 < fenn> wah. backup drive's full. moar!! http://fennetic.net/irc/filemate.png
01:58 < fenn> i sort of feel like i have an obligation to keep W2 at least as complete as i found it
01:58 < fenn> though hopefully they learned their lesson about backups
02:53 < archels> W2?
02:53 < archels> I need to expand my RAID :\
03:06 < fenn> some gigantor music collection, well curated
03:06 < fenn> i'm afraid to try dwarf fortress for fear of getting sucked in http://www.nzfortress.co.nz/forum/showthread.php?t=20768
03:18 < fenn> someone needs to do a lego tile set for dwarf fortress
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03:27 < kanzure> Utopiah: ugh don't get me started about her
03:33 < kanzure> never have i seen someone gain so much publicity for doing so little.. it's really sickening
03:36 < kanzure> fenn: dwarf fortress becomes drastically less fun once you realize nobody has organized an open source counterpart yet
03:37 < archels> kanzure: Do you know anything about Q10 temperature factors?
03:38 < kanzure> no
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07:28 < kanzure> hah http://www.twilio.com/docs/client/twilio-js
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08:07 < kanzure> http://www.labnol.org/internet/email/using-gmail-as-a-large-database-for-research/1797/
08:14 < kanzure> man why isn't this working yet http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/half-baked-idea-standard-machine-readable-output-for-command-line-programs/
08:16 < Lucas_> Hey Kanzure
08:21 < kanzure> hi Lucas_
08:21 < Lucas_> did you get your magnets yet  :"P
08:23 < kanzure> i don't want them
08:28 < Lucas_> O.o interesting
08:55 < Lucas_> any reason why?
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09:37 < fenn> dammit, i lost some little bit of paper with jonathan stark's email on it
09:37 < fenn> why are these people so secret they cant even post who works at the company
09:40 < fenn> oh here we go, wrong pocket
09:40 < fenn> hehee that only took an hour to resolve
09:40 < kanzure> zwisk@users.sourceforge.net .. as if that'll work
09:40 < fenn> yes i have that already
09:40 < fenn> jonathan.stark@..
09:41 < kanzure> how quaint
09:41 < fenn> i guess he wasn't invited to the meeting where they all picked single letter emails
09:42 < kanzure> oh no that's only the cool kids
09:42 < kanzure> only the cool kids have indistinguishable email addresses
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09:50 < kanzure> hi Guest80028
09:50 < Guest80028> hello
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10:24 < fenn> weird, did you know anissimov was doing web dev for halcyon?
10:26 < kanzure> yes
10:26 < kanzure> he's pretty bad at it
10:27 < kanzure> i can't count the number of times i've cracked his sites on my fingers :(
10:27 < kanzure> to be fair halcyon doesn't exactly need a good website at this point
10:29 < fenn> hum http://www.charlotteandwolfgang.com/history.html
10:29 < kanzure> lehrach?
10:30 < fenn> the lengths i go to just to find out peoples' last names...
10:30 < kanzure> try linkedin
10:31 < fenn> linkedin blows
10:31 < kanzure> yes but they list out the majority of the employees
10:31 < kanzure> http://www.linkedin.com/company/774191?trk=tyah
10:31 < fenn> how do i even search for a company on linkedin?
10:31 < kanzure> their search box
10:31 < fenn> er, nevermind
10:32 < fenn> for some reason this was much harder before
10:32 < kanzure> are you sure that's not charlotte bowell
10:33 < fenn> it certainly looks like the same person
10:34  * fenn assigns 95% confidence to the assertion
10:36 < fenn> less than a year eh
10:36 < kanzure> sequence everything -> live forever
10:36 < kanzure> sequence everything -> live forever
10:37 < kanzure> i would very much enjoy sequencing everything and living forever, but i do think the strategy needs some work
10:37 < fenn> i agree
10:38 < fenn> they're too physics-heavy and not enough biology imho
10:39 < kanzure> did you see how they stretch dna? pretty cool
10:39 < kanzure> but they admitted "we really have no clue how this works, so we just do it a bunch of times until it does what we want"
10:39 < fenn> eh? it's not a mystery, surface tension
10:39 < fenn> i knew that before going there
10:40 < kanzure> (i thought they had a chemical method, or that they ditched their water-based approach)
10:41 < fenn> weirdly enough, one of my girlfriend's roomates is a chemist at halcyon
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13:01 < kanzure> "I hacked together this RoR site over the weekend" makes me think, "You used a popular, well documented website building framework for it's intended purpose... how exactly is this hacking?"
13:01 < kanzure> haha
14:11 < uniqanomaly> anyone seen lumos lately?
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15:13 < kanzure> fenn: did you figure out if cron is running
15:31 < kanzure> gary wolf just responded to me
15:31 < kanzure> from my email of.. a week ago? ha
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18:21 < kanzure> http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/against.htm
18:21 < kanzure> "It is common to argue that intellectual property in the form of copyright and patent is necessary for the innovation and creation of ideas and inventions such as machines, drugs, computer software, books, music, literature and movies. In fact intellectual property is not like ordinary property at all, but constitutes a government grant of a costly and dangerous private monopoly over ideas."
18:21 < kanzure> "We show through theory and example that intellectual monopoly is not neccesary for innovation and as a practical matter is damaging to growth, prosperity and liberty."
18:26 < QuantumG> do you see the logical fallacy in that argument?
18:27 < kanzure> i wasn't really reading it
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18:47 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/thrust/
19:01 < kanzure> "Survey of In Situ Resource Utilization for Lunar Colonization" http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar_resources/documents/13_0IntegratedISRUPresenta.pdf
19:16 < QuantumG> the link doesn't match the title
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20:05 < foucist> QuantumG: so you're pro-
20:06 < foucist> IP
20:06 < foucist> QuantumG: so you're pro-IP?
20:06 < QuantumG> did I say that?
20:08 < fenn> re: cron; mattyg helped me a little last night and it turns out i needed #!/bin/bash in addition to the filename change etc, and it's still not working but at least the script is running
20:08 < QuantumG> whether or not I agree with the sentiment, recognizing that this moron can't make a legitimate argument is important.
20:09 < kanzure> fenn: still not working hrm
20:09 < kanzure> so it sounds like he didn't help much
20:09 < kanzure> even you knew about the bash bangs at the start of scripts
20:11 < fenn> yeah but he made the suggestion "try running it as root"
20:11 < fenn> it failed when run as root, "no such file or directory"
20:11 < fenn> that confused me for a bit
20:12 < fenn> the script was obviously there
20:14 < kanzure> Is cron working? ---> Try: * * * * * /bin/echo "foobar" >> /file_you_own and make sure it works.
20:14 < kanzure> Can cron run your job? ---> Check the cron log, usually /var/log/cron.log or /var/log/messages for errors
20:15 < kanzure> Is your command working? ---> Try: * * * * * /bin/foobar > /file_you_own 2>&1 and look for errors in /file_you_own
20:15 < kanzure> or * * * * * wall test
20:17 < fenn> yes, yes, no
20:17 < fenn> and there is no cron.log
20:17 < kanzure> hmm
20:18 < kanzure> cron -L sets loglevel
20:18 < kanzure> oh that doesn't seem helpful
20:27 < fenn> okay i know why it's not working; i su to fenn and then it does nothing, and exits, and then runs the rest of the script as root (instead of running it as fenn)
20:27 < fenn> so i'm just going to use fenn's crontab instead
20:27 < kanzure> "and then runs the rest of the script" ?
20:27 < fenn> su seems kinda useless in a script if you can't run commands as another user
20:28 < fenn> sorry, s/i su/the script su/
20:28 < kanzure> huh.
20:28 < kanzure> so why does running as root break it?
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20:32 < fenn> because i need my ssh keys to scp stuff
20:44 < QuantumG> hmm.. it seems no amount of rational argument can make Americans understand what the word "default" means and why it is impossible for the federal government to do so.
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