--- Log opened Fri Jul 29 00:00:01 2011 00:55 < archels> a cockroach was nibbling your toe. 01:51 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.78] has quit [] 02:46 -!- Guest6631 [~Jaakko@host86-131-174-223.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:52 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:26 -!- alystair [alystair@24-246-14-18.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:42 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44 < kanzure> archels: well, tell it to stop 05:44 < foucist> cockroaches evolved with us 05:44 < foucist> they're like dogs 05:44 < foucist> co-evolution! 05:44 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:59 -!- marainein [~marainein@202.161.20.124] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:34 < kanzure> "Arnsten said that the aging prefrontal cortex appears to accumulate excessive 06:34 < kanzure> levels of a signaling molecule called cAMP, which can open ion channels and 06:34 < kanzure> weaken prefrontal neuronal firing. Agents that either inhibited cAMP or 06:34 < kanzure> blocked cAMP-sensitive ion channels were able to restore more youthful firing 06:34 < kanzure> patterns in the aged neurons. One of the compounds that enhanced neuronal 06:34 < kanzure> firing was guanfacine, a medication that is already approved for treating 06:34 < kanzure> hypertension in adults, and prefrontal deficits in children, suggesting that 06:35 < kanzure> it may be helpful in the elderly as well." 06:37 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 < Lucas_> http://www.nature.com/gt/journal/v18/n4/full/gt2010147a.html 06:37 < Lucas_> For Kanzure 06:37 < kanzure> what is it 06:42 < Lucas_> Human Artificial Chromosome vectors for gene therapy 06:42 < Lucas_> quite yummy, if I do say so myself 06:56 < Lucas_> http://www.pnas.org/content/87/6/2211.full.pdf+html?sid=b3e80d13-02c4-437f-95f7-a9032aaacb2a "Site-specific integration by adeno-associated virus" 06:59 < Lucas_> "Rapid bacterial artificial chromosome modification for large-scale mouse transgenesis" http://www.nature.com/nprot/journal/v5/n10/full/nprot.2010.131.html 07:44 < kanzure> weird, nature chemistry uses adobe indesign cs5 for formatting papers 08:03 -!- Juul [~Juul@2001:470:28:8b2:216:d3ff:fe2f:cdb7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:18 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has quit [Client Quit] 09:43 < kanzure> oscon 2011 "garage biology and diybio" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42aPiIwRLf0 09:43 < kanzure> unfortunately it's eri gentry 09:45 < kanzure> argh nobody cares about your life story 09:45 < kanzure> http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/61/Garage%20Biology%20And%20DIYbio_%20Because%20We%20Can,%20Because%20We%20Have%20To%20Presentation.pdf 09:46 < fenn> i feel like i've been plunged into a bad translation of shadowrun 09:47 < fenn> so why aren't they using the diy version 09:47 < fenn> apparently schloendorn got funded and has a "real" lab now 09:47 < kanzure> yes 09:48 < kanzure> for a while now? since late 2009 or early 2010 i thought 09:48 < fenn> yeah 09:48 < kanzure> "the world is just not ready for people like us" oh god fuck this shit 09:48 < kanzure> why am i even associated with this person 09:49 < fenn> "1st meeting in new space" where is that? 09:50 < kanzure> uh uh.. i know this one 09:50 < kanzure> sunnyvale? 09:50 < fenn> ugh 09:50 < fenn> desolate car-infested wasteland 09:51 < fenn> i went through a trial period there and promptly fled to foggy SF 09:51 < fenn> but not before all my clothes faded in the sun 09:51 < QuantumG> argh, the day star 09:51 < fenn> srsly, that nuclear inferno is bad news 09:52 < fenn> hide your wife, hide your kids 09:52 < kanzure> ah at 13min 40sec she says it's sunnyvale 09:53 < fenn> the problem with the south bay is it's boring as fuck, and boring people don't fiddle around with biotech in their spare time 09:53 < fenn> <- bigot 09:53 < fenn> anyway i'd love to be proven wrong 09:54 < fenn> okay time to do some optics calculations 09:57 < foucist> fenn: south bay = sf ? 09:57 < fenn> south bay = sunnyvale, palo alto, mountain view 10:09 -!- Juul [~Juul@2001:470:28:8b2:216:d3ff:fe2f:cdb7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-22-187.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 < kanzure> wow the python argument parser libs still suck 11:21 < kanzure> i've always been a fan of optfunc (not optparse or argparse) 11:21 < kanzure> just tried out "argh" 11:21 < kanzure> argh makes you add a decorator (@arg) for each parameter to your function 11:21 < kanzure> and then makes you use a single variable for your parameters 11:21 < kanzure> optfunc at least has the decency to investigate the parameters of your function itself 11:21 < kanzure> but neither of these do tab completion for bash 13:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-92.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-92.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:47 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:47 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- augur is now known as augur[afk] 15:24 -!- augur[afk] is now known as augur 16:04 -!- Guest6631 [~Jaakko@host86-131-174-223.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:16 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:28 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 < kanzure> http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/07/us_court_upholds_myriad_patent.html 16:40 < kanzure> "he United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit says patents on genes and even on the isolation of a specific gene are okay" 17:03 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:04 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:06 < uniqanomaly> has anyone patented composition of air yet? 17:07 < uniqanomaly> "we are so sorry sir, you cannot exploit in your body air composed like that because we have patent for it" 17:20 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 -!- SDr [~SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:51 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 < kanzure> more: http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2011/07/federal-circuit-isolated-human-dna-molecules-are-patentable.html 18:05 < QuantumG> and once again.. would you prefer they kept their results secret? 18:09 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-79-43.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 < QuantumG> .. whenever you're ready to have a grownup conversation about patents. 18:22 < kanzure> their results about brca1? they didn't do that 18:27 < uniqanomaly> QuantumG: wanna grownup conversation about patents 18:27 < uniqanomaly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wright_brothers_patent_war 18:27 < uniqanomaly> explain this 18:27 < uniqanomaly> "In 1906 the Wrights received a patent for their method of flight control and fiercely defended it in the years afterward, suing foreign and domestic aviators and companies, especially Glenn Curtiss, in an attempt to collect licensing fees. The legal threat suppressed development of the U.S. aviation industry." 18:28 < QuantumG> yes, they were douchebags 18:28 < QuantumG> I've made the argument against the Wrights dozens of times. 18:28 < uniqanomaly> are you kidding me 18:29 < QuantumG> no.. why? 18:29 < uniqanomaly> suppressing development is the outcome of patents 18:29 < QuantumG> is this your grownup argument? 18:29 < uniqanomaly> don't rationalize that by saying Wrights were douchebags 18:29 < QuantumG> what about trade secrets.. do they suppress development? 18:30 < uniqanomaly> why you change subject to trade secrets? 18:30 < QuantumG> which do you want? secrecy or a functioning patent system? you can't have it both ways.. 18:30 < QuantumG> if your answer is that you want neither then you're not having a grownup conversation. 18:32 < uniqanomaly> of course, there is no secrecy right now, everyone makes everything public by patent system 18:33 < QuantumG> you just can't have a grownup argument can you? 18:33 < QuantumG> "all patents are bad" is just ignorance 18:34 < QuantumG> similarly for all trade secrets. 18:34 < QuantumG> it's almost a zero-sum between the two to get the maximum benefits 18:35 < uniqanomaly> of course if you are explaining suppressed development of whole industry by someone being a douchebag, I just can't argue with you 18:35 < QuantumG> but hey, go back to living in your little black and white world.. it'll maximize your feelings of moral superiority. Buy a Mac while you're out. 18:36 < uniqanomaly> I have nothing left to say to you 18:36 < QuantumG> that's cause you're a fucking child 18:56 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-79-43.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving."] 19:52 -!- SDr [~SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:52 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 -!- anthonyl [~anthonyl@108-80-206-50.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- anthonyl [~anthonyl@108-80-206-50.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:19 -!- anthonyl [~anthonyl@108-80-206-50.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:19 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:56 -!- marainein [~marainein@202.161.20.124] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:13 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:19 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 21:58 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:34 < kanzure> glow in the dark dogs in korea http://www.dreamdogs.co.uk/glow-in-the-dark-dogs-cloned-by-scientists-1166.html --- Log closed Sat Jul 30 00:00:03 2011