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00:28 < fenn> productive discussion today i see
02:30 < Utopiah> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128236.100-3d-printing-the-technology-that-changes-everything.html
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03:59 < wrldpc> http://twitpic.com/5x0ijp/full
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08:15 < fenn> "What happened to the previous diybio stuff at Noisebridge? Why is it allowed now?" was this question actually answered?
08:17 < fenn> meth tree -> the only thing diybio will ever be good for, illicit drug production
08:18 < kanzure> juul: http://www.am2011denmark.com/
08:25 < kanzure> no that question was not answered
08:25 < kanzure> the answer might be xp_prg
08:35 < fenn> curses, i've spent all day writing emails instead of solving this equation!
08:36  * fenn stomps off to the lab
08:36 < kanzure> TO THE LAB!
09:04 < jrayhawk> Exclusivity of information is a lot more difficult to maintain in this age of zero-cost digital reproduction and anonymity.
09:05 < jrayhawk> Especially since modern inventions require a large number of knowledgable parties in order to be monetized.
09:27 < kanzure> clearly the patent system should be replaced by the debian project
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11:11 < kanzure> huh chris watkins lives in jakarta
11:14 < foucist> and i'm in bangkok
11:17 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.inmojo.com/store/jeff-rowberg/item/keyglove/
11:17 < kanzure> foucist: i'm gonna be in vietnam soon
11:18 < kanzure> maybe i can stop by bangkok for a day or two
11:18 < foucist> cool
11:18 < foucist> what brings you to vietnam?
11:18 < kanzure> see pm
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11:23 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.keyglove.net/
11:25 < kanzure> denisa pointed me in the direction of inmojo.com for when i stop by tokyo
11:25 < kanzure> and inmojo.com links to keyglove
11:26 < kanzure> https://github.com/jrowberg/keyglove
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12:33 < kanzure> http://www.m-cam.com/patently-obvious/offer-he-couldn-t-refuse-intellectual-property-analysis-chris-crawford-intellectual
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12:55 < Utopiah> nice drawing
12:57 < eudoxia> heh, rubber bullet patents
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15:26 < kanzure> wrldpc_: yo could i meet you in tokyo
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15:26 < kanzure> er, or wrldpc__
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15:33 < kanzure> fine.
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16:54 < wrldpc__> oi
16:55 < wrldpc__> sorry :|
16:55 < wrldpc__> bbiab
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20:41 < wrldpc> Hey Bryan
20:41 < wrldpc> You're going to be in Asia?
20:42 < wrldpc> I'm in Iwakuni, Japan if you're in the area.
20:42 < wrldpc> There is really nothing of note going on technologically but if you want to tour the base I'll show you around.
20:42 < wrldpc> Of course I don't have a vehicle so that makes things difficult.
20:43 < foucist> wrldpc: what base? military?
20:43 < wrldpc> aye
20:43 < wrldpc> MCAS Iwakuni
20:43 < foucist> wrldpc: why are you there?
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20:43 < wrldpc> http://www.marines.mil/unit/mcasiwakuni/Pages/default.aspx
20:43 < wrldpc> I'm in the Marines (for the time being).
20:43 < wrldpc> Are you in Jakarta?
20:44 < foucist> no, bangkok (from canada though)
20:45 < foucist> i'm surprised there's an american base on japan mainland, thought it was only okinawa
20:47 < foucist> wrldpc: how often can you head to hiroshima or fukuoka
20:47 < wrldpc> I actually just went to Hiroshima this weekend.
20:47 < wrldpc> There are MULTIPLE American bases on mainland.
20:47 < wrldpc> It
20:47 < wrldpc> It's pretty bizarre.
20:48 < wrldpc> I haven't been to Fuk yet.
20:48 < foucist> i thought americans were gonna downsize their presence in japan
20:48 < wrldpc> I heard it's cool though.  Space World.
20:48 < foucist> that japan wanted their own military or whatever
20:49 < wrldpc> They were … Japanese politicians promise it to win the nationalists but every time it comes to making a decision the Japanese defer to the US.
20:49 < wrldpc> like we were supposed to move all ops from oki to guam
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20:49 < wrldpc> I was in Oki last month and I can tell you from seeing it first hand that the Japanese and US are too intertwined on that base.
20:50 < wrldpc> It's basically one culture there.  At least around the bases … there are like 12-16 bases on Okinawa alone I think.
20:50 < wrldpc> It's a pretty sad place.  Everywhere around the bases are homeless people and trash and strip mall-like desolation.
20:51 < wrldpc> It's also very beautiful.
20:51 < wrldpc> Cheap scuba quals too.
20:51 < foucist> hmm, when i was in osaka, it was super clean, even the homeless were clean, they kept their spots super tidy
20:52 < foucist> it's not like that in okinawa?
20:53 < foucist>  i think the biggest reason the japanese public want american withdrawal is probably because of the reputation (i.e. hte rapes)
20:53 < foucist> but i guess the politicians know it's not that cost effective to make it actually happen
20:53 < foucist> japan probably benefits
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20:54 < JayDugger> Heh. Y'think?
20:55 < foucist> JayDugger: woah, i don't need a rabid american with guns and 13 kids to agree with me.. (sorry i'm confusing you with the Duggar family!)
20:55 < foucist> actually it's not a bad role model..  USA should be a world mercenary
20:56 < foucist> work for japan, canada, iraq, and other countries
20:56 < foucist> but they need to figure out how to make a profit!
20:56 < JayDugger> America does. It sells weapons.
20:56 < foucist> well they're making a loss on Iraq
20:58 < JayDugger> You'd have to show me the numbers on that. I agree America spent way too much in Iraq, but whether or not it proves cost-effective now depends on counter-factual arguments.
20:59 < JayDugger> I toss 2¢ in the off-topic jar, and return to lurking.
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21:05 < wrldpc> Mainland is beautiful.
21:05 < wrldpc> Okinawa has fallen prey to the same shit that makes American cities shitty.
21:05 < wrldpc> the rapes are a huge problem.
21:06 < wrldpc> the 3 black guys that raped the 12 year old.
21:06 < wrldpc> isn't south korea doing chemical castration for pedophiles now?
21:07 < wrldpc> withdrawing from oki at this point would help the economy
21:07 < wrldpc> Dugger are you an American?
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21:11 < kanzure> yes dugger is in houston
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21:24 < foucist> wrldpc: yeah i got the sense when i was looking at okinawa.. too many bases, prob some tension between locals etc..  japanese probably try to avoid okinawa ..
21:25 < foucist> wrldpc: actually that's kind of annoying because if there were no bases in okinawa, i would probably want to live there in the winter while it's warm :P
21:25 < wrldpc> ^
21:25 < kanzure> woah i didn't know krokodil was an epidemic
21:26 < kanzure> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html
21:26 < kanzure> http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2078355,00.html
21:26 < kanzure> so heroin addicts in russia are switching to krokodil
21:27 < kanzure> krokodil causes gangrene and flesh rot in the injected areas
21:27 < kanzure> the survival rate is 1 or 2 years after you first start using
21:27 < kanzure> about 10x more potent than morphine
21:27 < foucist> gross :(
21:27 < kanzure> and the synthesis cheap/easy (codeine tablets => some clandenstine kitchen chemistry => heroin replacement)
21:28 < QuantumG> it's like they're actually making new drugs that are more addictive and have more terrible sideeffects.
21:28 < kanzure> (or desomorphine)
21:28 < kanzure> "In 2010, between a few hundred thousand and a million people, according to various official estimates, were injecting the resulting substance into their veins in Russia, so far the only country in the world to see the drug grow into an epidemic."
21:28 < kanzure> a million people
21:28 < kanzure> that's serious shit..
21:29 < foucist> GAHHH
21:29 < foucist> WTF WTF WTF
21:29 < kanzure> oh don't watch the youtube videos
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21:29 < kanzure> the videos aren't as bad as the dnepropetrovsk maniacs but still..
21:30 < foucist> this is the most horrific thing i've heard of lately..
21:30 < foucist> but then i reacted badly to requiem for a dream
21:30 < foucist> i have low tolerance for that kind of self-abuse..
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21:42 < kanzure> "With heroin withdrawal, the main symptoms last for five to 10 days. After that there is still a big danger of relapse but the physical pain will be gone."
21:42 < kanzure> "With krokodil, the pain can last up to a month, and it's unbearable. They have to be injected with extremely strong tranquilisers just to keep them from passing out from the pain."
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21:44 < kanzure> "These tablets don't cost much but the profit margins are high. Some pharmacies make up to 25 per cent of their profits from the sale of these tablets. It's not in the interests of pharmaceutical companies or pharmacies themselves to stop this."
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22:48 < kanzure> "Ford Motor Company Collaborates with TechShop for TechShop Detroit"
22:48 < kanzure> http://www.cbs19.tv/story/15165215/ford-techshop-reveal-home-of-detroit-area-workshop-urge-everyday-inventors-to-create-build-and-sell
22:48 < kanzure> "Ford and TechShop will preview the facility this week during Maker Faire Detroit, held July 30-31 at The Henry Ford in Dearborn"
22:49 < kanzure> "With more than $1 million invested in high-tech equipment alone, TechShop Detroit will feature everything from top-quality prototyping tools and industrial-grade sewing and textile equipment to laser cutting, welding and machine shop-type gear."
22:50 < kanzure> "Ford is also building relationships with individual app developers in its quest to broaden the portfolio of smartphone apps that could benefit the driver and be controlled via voice through Ford SYNC."
22:50 < kanzure> "More than 2,500 interested app developers have visited the Ford SYNC website www.syncmyride.com/developer to submit their ideas and sign up for the latest information about the SYNC API and software development kit."
22:50 < kanzure> autoharvest foundation?
22:50 < kanzure> https://secure.syncmyride.com/Own/Modules/Developer/Subscribe.aspx
22:51 < kanzure> i completely missed out on hearing about makerfaire detroit
23:45 < kanzure> "Oliver Sacks (1985) reported that autistic twins had extraordinary number abilities and that they spontaneously generated huge prime numbers."
23:45 < kanzure> isn't prime number generation used in some of the private key schemes
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