--- Log opened Tue Aug 09 00:00:16 2011
00:04 < kanzure> ybit: how much work?
00:05 < kanzure> $2k is an ok amount for filling out a pre-existing template
00:06 < kanzure> but my guess is that you're offering more than that?
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01:01 < Utopiah> for those into scikit-learn and in Germany http://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Machine_Learning_Workshop
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06:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, you do know that i've ported crossbow to run via ruby ... thats an option for a service
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07:45 < kanzure> delinquentme: you mean you wrote a wrapper?
07:46 < delinquentme> yeah
07:46 < delinquentme> like i can launch the program from ruby
07:46 < kanzure> i can also launch it from bash... i'm not seeing the point :P
07:46 < kanzure> but ok.
07:46 < delinquentme> i've already started on a devise based login system for it
07:47 < delinquentme> oh no taking it into ruby ... theres no benefit if you're just running the excercises
07:47 < delinquentme> but have you looked at the assembly of the JAR files?
07:47 < kanzure> i think it was some ant or maven build scripts..
07:47 < delinquentme> the 013 version has that
07:48 < delinquentme> but the code hasnt been released yet
07:49 < delinquentme> so the question is:  Would anyone have a use for a " I need this sequence aligned right now" service
07:50 < delinquentme> im not sure if there are companys who have sequence machines and not a solution for alignment ... unless theres a specific reason they'd be over capacity
08:01 < kanzure> quoteth:
08:01 < kanzure> "The one more obstacle is the lack of documentation. When you look at the
08:01 < kanzure> project it's usually hard to say is it open or not, and what do you need
08:01 < kanzure> to build it(time, knowledge, resources). You need to spend time on
08:01 < kanzure> reading long descriptions, forums, comments before you found usefull
08:01 < kanzure> information. There's no any documentation standards. What I'd like to
08:01 < kanzure> see as a "beginner" is the catalog of projects with minimal information:
08:01 < kanzure> wether it's open or not(licences, closed parts or components), time and
08:01 < kanzure> knowledge that i need to build it, components/resources and average
08:01 < kanzure> costs for it, source files(both software and hardware), some description
08:01 < kanzure> and instructions. The type of source files also does matter. I can't say
08:01 < kanzure> that the project is 100% open if its sources(i.e. schematics) are
08:01 < kanzure> distributed in closed format, so it requires program that I need to pay
08:01 < kanzure> for. I realize that not every engineer can or want provide that
08:01 < kanzure> information, but it'd save much time for other users and potential
08:01 < kanzure> developers."
08:01 < kanzure> that was via dmitry.. i pointed him to http://gnusha.org/skdb/ so we'll see what he thinks
08:09 < delinquentme> ?
08:12 < delinquentme> kanzure, thoughts on getting khan to kick out bioinformatics lessons sooner than later ?
08:14 < kanzure> do you need help with bioinformatics?
08:17 < kanzure> nice.. http://coscup.org/2011/en/program/
08:17 < kanzure> it's in taiwan but i think it's worth going to
08:18 < delinquentme> kanzure, yeah
08:18 < delinquentme> Im gonna write a few tutorials
08:19 < delinquentme> ive got a few ebooks im reading
08:19 < kanzure> then why do you need khan to teach you ?
08:20 < kanzure> i say go ahead and write the tutorials..
08:20 < delinquentme> yeah
08:20 < delinquentme> thats the plan ... i like the idea of khan bc i know those will be better maintained
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09:15 < kanzure> saurik: what are the actual tools that this is talking about? --
09:15 < kanzure> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/04/secret_iphone_hacking_tool/
09:15 < kanzure> i don't see any links or names
09:15 < kanzure> it's some gdb-like-tool that was baked into ios 4.x?
09:18 < kanzure> 3D movie glasses to turn it back into 2D http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004X4L1UC/downandoutint-20
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10:49 < ybit> It's not from a previous template, but that's not a problem. I think the real time consumer is going to be the screencasts
10:54 < ybit> lesscss.org
10:54 < ybit> woot
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11:03 < kanzure> ybit: you should try compass
11:03 < kanzure> http://compass-style.org/
11:03 < kanzure> sass is a lil different from less..
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11:32 < delinquentme> ive used both of these
11:32 < delinquentme> and they are good.
11:32 < delinquentme> ^^^ kanzure
11:32 < delinquentme> haml sass and compass
11:32 < delinquentme> chris eppstein has his shit together and does a hella good job maintaining updates to the codebase
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11:57 < ybit> holy crap, that's a lot to learn
11:58 < ybit> compass + sass + blueprint, this isn't my momma's css
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12:04 < delinquentme> yo kanzure i just had a nuts idea ...  Lets say you get a bunch of bioinformatis ( or any topic ) e books >> scrape the KW data >> parse through that data and reference against some corpus for KW correlation
12:04 < delinquentme> instantly you've got a way to create relational teaching material
12:04 < delinquentme> it would require a person to go through and organize the hierarchy
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12:07 < delinquentme> annnnnnddd BAM
12:07 < delinquentme> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bioinformatics+corpus
12:07 < delinquentme> corpus
12:07 < Utopiah> Juul: hey since you are at CCC Camp, might want to check http://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Machine_Learning_Workshop
12:07 < Juul> Utopiah, :) thanks
12:07 < delinquentme> Utopiah, are you registered for the stanford free Ai class :D
12:07 < delinquentme> ?
12:08 < Utopiah> delinquentme: I think nobody is yet but yes I left my email a week ago or so on the website
12:09 < delinquentme> awesome
12:09 < delinquentme> ill be sure to study in here :D
12:10 < Utopiah> delinquentme: regarding using a graph of topics to study maybe http://www.khanacademy.org/exercisedashboard is a good example, doubt it's easy to generate one automatically though
12:11 < delinquentme> Utopiah, oh yeah khan is awesome
12:11 < delinquentme> what i was on about was:
12:11 < delinquentme> im going through bioinformatics ebooks atm.. and making outlines
12:12 < delinquentme> which could be automated through comparison against a corpus
12:12 < delinquentme> http://www-tsujii.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/GENIA/home/wiki.cgi?page=GENIA+Ontology
12:12 < delinquentme> ha!
12:12 < delinquentme> this is how i learn
12:16 < Utopiah> the dashboard is organized by complexity though, which is what I dont see how could be inferred from ebooks, except maybe if they are already categorized by level, age or even better concepts to master before
12:18 < kanzure> ybit: blueprint/sass/less is way easier than fucking with css for 20 bazillion hours
12:18 < kanzure> ybit: if you suck at javascript please look at jquery or coffeescript
12:19 < ybit> i'm fine with js
12:19 < delinquentme> Utopiah, exactly :D   .. the comment about the organization of hierarchy
12:19 < ybit> thinking of just going with less
12:19 < ybit> dunno
12:19 < delinquentme> ybit, jquery is awesome
12:19 < ybit> yeah
12:20 < ybit> lots of things are awesome :)
12:20 < delinquentme> its the gateway drug to full blown js
12:20 < delinquentme> hahah
12:20 < delinquentme> TRUE!
12:20 < kanzure> i've been writing a phonegap app generator for the last few days
12:20 < ybit> i've got a huge fscking list on google wave of stuff i would love to throw into a web project, but i don't have time to learn all of them
12:20 < kanzure> it generates a jquery mobile + backbone.js + css3 app for phonegap
12:21 < kanzure> then compiles it for iphone, android, windows, blackberry
12:21 < kanzure> with scaffolds/models/views/controllers
12:21 < ybit> http://dpaste.com/590617/
12:21 < ybit> that's annoying
12:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, a phonegap app?
12:21 < ybit> cause it works w/out sass
12:21 < ybit> not sure how valid it is, but it works :)
12:21 < kanzure> ybit: use comment blocks
12:22 < kanzure> ===== is invalid css
12:22 < ybit> that's not in the css
12:22 < ybit> that's me just commenting on the pastebin
12:22 < kanzure> there should be a semicolon after font-family: Delicious-BoldItalic
12:22 < kanzure> on line 31
12:22 < kanzure> delinquentme: no, a phonegap app generator
12:23 < ybit> yup
12:23 < ybit> derp
12:23 < kanzure> delinquentme: think of rails scaffolds except for generating mobile apps
12:23 < delinquentme> ==== << is a conflict annotation
12:23 < ybit> note to self, delivious-heavy looks like shit in ffox
12:23 < delinquentme> ybit, did you run a merge recently?
12:24 < ybit> eh?
12:25 < ybit> where have i heard that from..
12:25 < ybit> merge
12:25 < ybit> oh durka
12:25 < ybit> no i haven't
12:25 < ybit> i haven't thrown this on any hosting service
12:26 < kanzure> ybit: use google fonts
12:26 < kanzure> or typekit
12:26 < ybit> nope
12:26 < ybit> i refuse
12:26 < kanzure> then steal some shit from pixelunion
12:26 < kanzure> hey if you're gonna mess with the best..
12:26 < ybit> later i will
12:26  * ybit sighs, fine
12:31 < delinquentme> ybit, what u making ?
12:32 < kanzure> jewlery shopping cart
12:32 < ybit> no no
12:33 < ybit> the manager created a new company called diamond relations
12:33 < ybit> they hired someone previously to tweak sugarcrm for the diamond service industry
12:33 < ybit> and they just need someone to create a site that makes them look legit
12:35 < kanzure> i'm looking at http://andrewrussell.net/exen/ .. seems a little ridiculous
12:35 < ybit> i'm looking at the fonts on google.com/webfonts and am crying
12:35 < kanzure> hm?
12:35 < kanzure> you should also look at http://typekit.com/
12:35 < ybit> $$$
12:36 < kanzure> do you want my account
12:36 < kanzure> also, just use what other people are using from typekit
12:37 < ybit> i'm going to finish looking at the fonts at google, there's bound to be one similar to the delicious fonts
12:37 < ybit> or not, reached bottom
12:37  * ybit looks at typekit
12:38 < kanzure> http://typechart.com/
12:39 < kanzure> http://fonttester.com/
12:39 < kanzure> http://fontburner.com/
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12:48 < delinquentme> ybit, torrent that shit man
12:48 < delinquentme> i downloaded like 30 gigs of fonts before
12:48 < delinquentme> the biggest issue is browsing through all of them
12:48 < ybit> i think the benefit of using google is that you save bandwidth space
12:48 < ybit> ubuntu bold works
12:48 < ybit> s/space//
13:00 < kanzure> delinquentme: write a local html/js app to view them
13:01 < delinquentme> or google "fontbrowser"
13:01 < delinquentme> with a space
13:06 < kanzure> "5000% Increase in the sale of baseball bats on Amazon.co.uk"
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13:12 < delinquentme> yeah saw that.. wtf
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13:22 < delinquentme> kanzure, are you on twatter?
13:23 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/kanzure
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15:01 < delinquentme> whats stopping sequencing technology from getting longer than 500 bp reads?
15:01 < delinquentme> is the shit fragile?
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15:48 < kanzure> fenn: i was assembling some more training material for my vietnam team,
15:48 < kanzure> sometimes i use youtube videos to help explain things
15:48 < kanzure> today i want them to use weinre, a remote debugger for mobile apps
15:48 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nL6xey13fE
15:48 < kanzure> anyway i was looking at this and it was recorded by jonathanstark
15:49 < kanzure> from halcyon molecular
15:54 < ybit> rubyonrailstutorial.org way too slow
15:54  * ybit prefers guides.rubyonrails.org 
15:55 < kanzure> ybit: use http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book
15:55 < kanzure> if you're lame use http://railscasts.com/
16:03 < kanzure> nice.. https://github.com/blog/904-announcing-github-issues-for-iphone
16:03 < kanzure> too bad it's iphone
16:06 < kanzure> ybit: did my suggestion fix your css error earlier today?
16:18 < ybit> yar
16:28 < ybit> need more power
16:28 < ybit> comp can't handle eclipse + inkscape + chromium + firefox and misc
16:33 < kanzure> that's pretty lame
16:33 < kanzure> why are you using eclipse for anything
16:35 < ybit> google's android sdk stuff
16:43 < kanzure> yeah don't do that
16:43 < kanzure> just use the command line tools
16:49 < jrayhawk> i could troll you by installing and running eclipse directly on my phone
16:49 < kanzure> please don't
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16:53 < ybit> I don't like the clickey as much as the next guy (i'm using awesomewm), but what happens when you add someone who doesn't have familiarity with cli tools, he'll most likely be using eclipse
16:53 < ybit> and i would think that it's good to know how they messed up
16:53 < ybit> that's the rational
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16:56 < ybit> ..the original rational before seeing google's sdk stuff
17:00 < QuantumG> when explaining why Eclipse sucks to people I sometimes feel like Linus
17:00 < QuantumG> *it's too fucking slow*, what don't you understand about that?
17:01 < eudoxia> it crashes my Lisp projects >:c
17:01 < QuantumG> but, to be fair, I haven't looked at it in ages.. it could be good now, who knows
17:01 < eudoxia> lol no
17:01 < ybit> :)
17:02 < kanzure> ybit: tell them to suck your dick
17:02 < kanzure> i have 5-10 people daily using my android projects
17:02 < ybit> damn you button for not showing your other half!
17:02 < kanzure> i do all the work cli
17:02 < kanzure> they use eclipse.. no problems
17:03 < ybit> i love the coloring i'm seeing for my js
17:05 < ybit> http://image.bayimg.com/aajdlaadi.jpg
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17:36 < epitron> ubuntu theme \o/
17:37 < ybit> :P
17:37 < ybit> don't think that's ubuntu
17:38 < epitron> oh
17:38 < epitron> i thought only ubuntu had that kind of crazy theme
17:39 < ybit> i think it's part of the aptana stuff
17:39 < ybit> is there such thing as a css hell?
17:39 < ybit> i feel like i'm approaching it quickly
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17:57 < ybit> looks dead
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18:07 < ybit> css is kicking my butt
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19:25 < saurik> kanzure: I think the "tool" they mean is just "a kernel debugging protocol", like some linux compiles have (kdb or whatever)
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22:27 < kanzure> ybit: lemme know when you need help little buddy
22:27 < kanzure> i charge $215/hour but for you.. you're priceless
22:28 < ybit> i'm your little buddy now?
22:28 < ybit> awww, that's cute
22:28 < kanzure> you are like 5 feet shorter than me or something
22:28 < ybit> haha true
22:28 < kanzure> (height is logarithmic)
22:29 < kanzure> what's up?
22:29 < kanzure> this might help: http://csspivot.com/
22:29 < kanzure> also this, if you want to share the state with me: http://debug.phonegap.com/
22:29 < ybit> I was just looking at drop shadows
22:29 < kanzure> the full documentation for that is http://phonegap.github.com/weinre/
22:31 < kanzure> oh i guess you might not be using chrome dev tools or firebug
22:31 < kanzure> you're using one of those right?
22:31 < ybit> oh yeah i'm stacked on both
22:31 < kanzure> weinre is "remote" chrome dev tools
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23:05 < kanzure> " In recent years, they determined there may be at least 1,000­each with just a tiny effect on the differences in people's IQ. A study released Tuesday found new evidence that many genes play a role in intelligence, but scientists still couldn't pinpoint the specific genes involved."
23:05 < kanzure> ha, ha
23:05 < kanzure> Genome-wide association studies establish that human intelligence is highly heritable and polygenic
23:06 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp201185a.html
23:07 < epitron> heehee
23:07 < epitron> one of the authors is A Pickles
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23:09 < epitron> genome-wide association studies sound pretty great
23:10 < epitron> have they done that for lifespan?
23:10 < epitron> (irc -- lazy man's google)
23:11 < foucist> google me a sandwich
23:14 < foucist> ^ way more original than that xkcd hack who copied the sudo joke from irc anyways!
23:15 < epitron> well, yeah... randall is an irc dude
23:15 < epitron> :)
23:15 < kanzure> epitron: yeah there's tons of those studies
23:15 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ should have some of them
23:15 < kanzure> there's also a few companies and research groups pursuing that
23:15 < kanzure> like acron cell (or whatever the heck it's called now)
23:15 < kanzure> and the los angeles gerontology research group
23:16 < kanzure> or the supercentenarian foundation
23:16 < epitron> which one is associated with the guy who bred fruit flies that could live longer?
23:16 < kanzure> that's michael rose and gregory benford
23:16 < epitron> right
23:16 < kanzure> genescient..
23:16 < epitron> ah yes
23:16 < kanzure> http://genescient.com/
23:17 < epitron> ahyes.com
23:17 < kanzure> what is that supposed to be ?
23:17 < kanzure> looks like spam
23:17 < epitron> hahah
23:17 < epitron> i'm glad something exists!
23:18 < epitron> i was just repeating your algorithm
23:18 < epitron> "say something"
23:18 < epitron> http://something.com
23:18 < epitron> "ah yes"
23:18 < epitron> ahyes.com
23:18 < kanzure> that's not an algorithm the links go places
23:18 < kanzure> and they do.. things
23:18 < epitron> well, if you wanna get all deep
23:19 < epitron> btw, if you want to make your dirlistings prettier, i made a php script a while back for that
23:19 < epitron> http://chris.ill-logic.com/files/
23:20 < epitron> https://github.com/epitron/autoindex
23:21 < kanzure> i prefer default :
23:21 < kanzure> :x
23:21 < epitron> heh
23:21 < epitron> it looks pretty fucked up in opera
23:21 < epitron> i guess it's fine in other browsers
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23:29 < epitron> i stand corrected.
23:36 < kanzure> new henry markram talks
23:36 < kanzure> http://www.kurzweilai.net/henry-markram-simulating-the-brain-next-decisive-years
23:36 < kanzure> "Henry Markram, Ph.D., Director of the Blue Brain Project at École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne, speaks at the International Supercomputing Conference 2011."
23:37 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3W_VwhZKEU
23:37 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrsFb5vG3mQ
23:37 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_gEoQ8nQI
23:38 < epitron> ooo
23:38 < epitron> new markram
23:45 < epitron> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/longevity-genetics-study-retracted-from-science/
23:46 < kanzure> i think i have the pre-retraction version laying around here somewhere
23:46 < epitron> it's on the web
23:46 < kanzure> not if it's "retracted"
23:46 < kanzure> what do you think that is?
23:46 < epitron> i was just posting because it has the same boilig-fluid-of-dots graph
23:46 < epitron> you cannot retract anything from the web
23:46 < epitron> ask sony :)
23:46 < epitron> and DECSS
23:47 < epitron> but, the boiling dot fluid...
23:47 < epitron> what is that?
23:48 < epitron> ah, the Illumina610-Quadv1 chip
23:48 < epitron> that's the same SNP chip they used for the intelligence study
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