--- Log opened Wed Aug 10 00:00:18 2011 02:44 -!- jenzebubble [jld@173-27-44-143.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- jennicide [jld@173-27-44-143.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:47 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:47 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:49 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:06 < fenn> different jonathan stark 03:07 < fenn> man, cleaning out a commit from multiple repositories is quite a pain 03:08 < fenn> there's no "git delete-this-commit-yes-im-sure" command 03:08 < fenn> instead you have to do a bunch of resets and make a new branch and merge your new branch back in 03:09 < fenn> or at least that's how i did it.. 03:10 < fenn> chemical of the day: zeaxanthine 03:10 < fenn> er, zeaxanthin 03:12 < fenn> http://www.zeavision.com/research.html 03:21 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:22 -!- Utopiah_ [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:27 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:27 -!- Utopiah [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:27 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:28 -!- Utopiah_ is now known as Utopiah 03:35 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- augur_ is now known as augur 04:06 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:16 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:16 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe2add00-191.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28 < kanzure> hmm 06:02 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe2add00-191.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:14 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:25 < archels> http://www.kurzweilai.net/first-direct-biological-evidence-found-for-genetic-contribution-to-intelligence 06:25 < archels> what manner of bullshit is this, 'the *first* study to link genetics to intelligence' 06:40 < kanzure> it's kurzweil bullshit! 06:40 < kanzure> actually thomas mccabe probably wrote that one 06:40 < kanzure> or amara 06:47 < archels> heh yeah 07:09 < kanzure> saurik: what about this 4g man-in-the-middle attack.. does anyone have it available for download/analysis? 07:45 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-74-167.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 08:01 < kanzure> hi JayDugger 08:06 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-219-162.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 -!- Lucas__ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 < Lucas__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRDg4UB9Ajg&feature=feedu 08:08 -!- Juul [~Juul@node-sju.camp.ccc.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 < Lucas__> First flight of 3D printed plane 08:11 < Juul> link? 08:11 < archels> damn, that lady's voiceover gives me goosebumps. 08:12 < Lucas__> xD 08:12 < archels> Juul, logs link is in topic. 08:12 < archels> (teach a man how to fish, etc.) 08:12 < Juul> :) 08:24 -!- evolvidle [~assparade@76.84.57.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- evolvidle [~assparade@76.84.57.217] has quit [Client Quit] 08:39 < Lucas__> Kanzure is going to Vietnam? 08:39 < kanzure> Cộng hòa xã hội chủ nghĩa Việt Nam 08:41 < Lucas__> "Socialist Republic of Vietnam" *looks at Google* "thanks" 08:45 < Lucas__> Kanzure, you need to slap some sense into these "transhumanist groups" 08:46 < Lucas__> ALL THEY DO IS TALK ABOUT USELESS SHIT 08:47 < kanzure> who are you hanging out with now? 08:48 < Lucas__> I am still a part of those facebook groups 08:48 < Lucas__> um 08:48 < Lucas__> hold on 08:49 < Lucas__> "Human 2.0" or some such shit 08:49 < Lucas__> //facedesk 08:49 < Lucas__> the only people actually doing something is biohack.me and kanzure's legion 08:49 < Lucas__> I mean hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- Juul [~Juul@node-sju.camp.ccc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:10 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:21 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- Lucas__ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:48 -!- evolvidle [~assparade@unaffiliated/evolv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- Kait85 [~chatzilla@142.204.133.114] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- Nam-Ereh-Won [~namerehwo@cpe-66-69-40-182.satx.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- evolvidle [~assparade@unaffiliated/evolv] has quit [Quit: Is this real, or is this just a ride?] 11:14 -!- evolvidle [~assparade@unaffiliated/evolv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-67-186-15-75.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:23 < delinquentme> FPGA vrs GPU within bio computation.. anyone? 11:25 < kanzure> depends on what type of algorithm you're running 11:32 < delinquentme> as to which is faster huh 11:32 < delinquentme> have you programmed FPGAs? 11:35 < kanzure> a long time ago 11:36 < delinquentme> how about a minimum page length on scientific papers 11:36 < delinquentme> and do you know anything about the clevage methods on dna sequencers 11:37 < delinquentme> these have been taunting me ... i SHALL SEARCHETH 11:37 < kanzure> they are usually acid washes of some sort 11:37 < delinquentme> hmm ill read more about it 11:37 < delinquentme> oh! 11:37 < delinquentme> but so im reading these bioinf books .. and they're talking about the algos 11:38 < kanzure> alignment? 11:38 < delinquentme> more and more as seq tech gets to longer and longer reads .. theyre going to be used less and less 11:38 < delinquentme> correct 11:38 < delinquentme> so i just wanted to see if you mirrored that sentiment 11:38 < delinquentme> perhapse alignment algos arent the best place to invest time / learning 11:38 < kanzure> nope you will need to do alignment for the forseeable future 11:39 < kanzure> for at least the next three years maybe 11:39 < kanzure> there might be some sequencing technology that can do direct reads of entire genomes but i doubt it 11:39 < kanzure> and you will still need to confirm that the data is accurate and in the right order 11:40 < kanzure> *but i doubt it will work in the next three years on the market to the extent that it effects you 11:40 < kanzure> *that it would effect you 11:40 < delinquentme> ok well lets assume that it does 11:40 < delinquentme> what happens next 11:40 < kanzure> what are you assuming specifically? 11:41 < delinquentme> lets say we've got read lengths in the 10 thousands 11:41 < kanzure> 100% accurate single reads of genomes? 11:41 < delinquentme> sure 11:41 < kanzure> even with 10k bp read length you still need to assemble the fragments dude.. 11:41 < kanzure> s/assemble/align 11:41 < delinquentme> that works .. so then ... perhapse cross comparisons of tons and tons of genomes? 11:41 < kanzure> if you want 11:41 < delinquentme> efficient search code within the read data? 11:41 < kanzure> which is what blast does 11:42 < delinquentme> yeahhh but computation on 10k base pair length is going to be substantially quicker / simpler 11:42 < delinquentme> yeah i read a little bit about blast 11:42 < kanzure> not necessarily, you still have to check if there's homology since different codons still match up to the same amino acids 11:42 < kanzure> anyway it's already quite common to run blast on segments of 10k bp 11:43 < delinquentme> O_o ? 11:43 < kanzure> most proteins that are interesting to us are 1k-100k bp in size 11:44 < delinquentme> ohh ok you're talking searching .. not assembling 10k length reads 11:44 < kanzure> delinquentme: have you seen this little project of mine? http://diyhpl.us:9000/random 11:44 < kanzure> i'm talking searching and alignment 11:45 < delinquentme> i saw the videos you had been collecting 11:45 < kanzure> there's a number of bioinformatics tutorials on there 11:45 < kanzure> but iirc it's basic stuff like blast, real time blast, other blast algorithms 11:45 < kanzure> phlyogenetic comparison shit.. etc. 11:46 < delinquentme> yeah the ebook i've got does some comparisons 11:47 < delinquentme> "k-mers" 11:47 < delinquentme> BLOSUM matrices 11:47 < delinquentme> the ways that they search for high probability then build the rest about those 11:47 < delinquentme> very much so its an information science .. but once the hardware catches up 11:48 < delinquentme> but you're saying you dont see that happening within the next 4 years 11:48 < kanzure> what? 11:48 < kanzure> where the hell did i say that? 11:48 -!- SDr [~SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 -!- SDr [~SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 11:48 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 < kanzure> all i said is that you will probably still have to do alignment on genomic data from sequencing for at least another three years 11:50 < delinquentme> now these videos 11:50 < delinquentme> these all have to do with LE specifically orrr? 11:55 < kanzure> lots of them are about life extension 11:56 < kanzure> but the general theme is human enhancement, transhumanism, biohacking, microfluidics, synthetic biology 11:56 < kanzure> open hardware 11:56 < kanzure> stuff like that. 12:12 -!- Juul [~Juul@slim.visitor.camp.ccc.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Juul [~Juul@slim.visitor.camp.ccc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:49 -!- Juul [~Juul@slim.visitor.camp.ccc.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 < archels> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/antiviral-0810.html 13:06 -!- Nam-Ereh-Eon [~namerehwo@cpe-173-174-208-25.satx.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:08 -!- Nam-Ereh-Won [~namerehwo@cpe-66-69-40-182.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:10 < kanzure> archels: what is that? 13:10 < kanzure> oh i'm not gonna click that it's probably the lincoln lab stuff 13:26 < archels> Rider had the idea to combine a dsRNA-binding protein with another protein that induces cells to undergo apoptosis (programmed cell suicide) — launched, for example, when a cell determines it is en route to becoming cancerous. Therefore, when one end of the DRACO binds to dsRNA, it signals the other end of the DRACO to initiate cell suicide. 13:30 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:32 < Juul> does anyone know how you pronounce "Cathal" in "Cathal Garvey"? 13:32 < Juul> Katal? or like the th in Cathy? 13:32 < Juul> or Cartarl? 13:35 < fenn> cool blog about self improvement and unconventional life strategies http://www.ajkesslerblog.com/new-start-here/ 13:39 < fenn> "The Tyler Durden Self Help Method" 13:41 < Juul> tough self-love? 13:43 -!- Juul [~Juul@slim.visitor.camp.ccc.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43 < archels> kanzure: Any opinion on the above? 13:49 < kanzure> archels: not really :) 14:04 < fenn> “Everyone believes an experiment except the experimenter; no one believes a theory except the theorist.” 14:09 < kanzure> if the experimenter doesn't believe his experiment will be useful then why the hell is he doing it 14:29 -!- Kait85 [~chatzilla@142.204.133.114] has quit [Quit: Off fighting dragons and the evil wizard...] 14:35 -!- ybit [~yottabit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-89.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 -!- strages_ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 < kanzure> australia national radio has a piece on biohackers 15:30 < kanzure> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/futuretense/stories/2011/3285426.htm 15:30 < kanzure> er, i think 15:36 -!- strages_ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:52 -!- Technicus [~nomadicus@97-91-79-214.static.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < Technicus> Hello . . . 16:04 < kanzure> hi Technicus 16:06 < Technicus> :] 16:35 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 16:40 -!- Technicus [~nomadicus@97-91-79-214.static.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:41 < kanzure> heh a brain pathologist posted about his home setup 16:41 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/diybio/KyQzqEAfWpA 16:41 < kanzure> oops i meant http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/t/2b2433a8401f5a90 16:51 < delinquentme> kanzure, thoughts on this HN post about coffee and cannabinoids? 17:12 -!- SDr [~SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- SDr [~SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:12 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 < meefs> endocannabinoids, couldn't live without them 17:26 -!- evolvidle [~assparade@unaffiliated/evolv] has quit [Quit: Is this real, or is this just a ride?] 17:28 -!- Nam-Ereh-Eon is now known as Nam-Ereh-Won 17:59 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 18:31 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-67-186-15-75.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:35 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-15-30.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 < eudoxia> guysguysguys 19:11 < kanzure> OMG WHATT?! 19:11 < eudoxia> a bunch of luddites bombed a nanotechnology lab 19:11 < kanzure> ooh ooh 19:11 < kanzure> show me show me 19:12 < eudoxia> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/10/2349225/Terrorist-Target-Mexican-Nanotechnology-Professors 19:12 < kanzure> http://blog.ketyov.com/2011/08/self-stimulating-brain-for-heterosexual.html 19:12 < kanzure> eudoxia: fun times 19:13 < kanzure> eudoxia: they seem more efficient than siai 19:17 < fenn> "keep nanotech out of mexico" is the message? okay, done. 19:19 < fenn> wow, i'm having a hard time believing this 19:19 < uniqanomaly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag 19:19 < uniqanomaly> simple as that 19:20 < fenn> what does that mean? 19:20 < fenn> americans killed some mexican professor? 19:21 < uniqanomaly> why would they do such a horrible thing? 19:28 < eudoxia> it's a Deus Ex HR viral 19:30 < kanzure> evidence? 19:31 < kanzure> i don't like all this anti-human-augmetation shit they are pumping out 19:31 < kanzure> where do they live so i can go kill them? 19:33 < eudoxia> well it sort of goes from 'fuck yeah transhumanism' to 'the gov'ment and big pharma is trying to enslave us ALL' 19:33 < eudoxia> i wouldn't kill them just yet 19:34 < kanzure> "big pharma" is just a concept.. if you really care that much about your drugs make them yourself 19:43 < QuantumG> is there a little pharma? 19:44 < evolv> QuantumG, yeah, the local weed dealer 19:44 < evolv> little pharma? cool 19:44 < evolv> big pharma? Bad 19:46 < QuantumG> that's what I had in mind too 19:46 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47 < kanzure> little pharma is the guy standing out by the corner with gangrene 19:50 < uniqanomaly> "If this turned out to be a viral marketing campaign, WTF @ real bombs" lol 19:50 < uniqanomaly> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=440312 20:11 < kanzure> fenn: they sent me their crawlers 20:11 < kanzure> it's a 50kb zip file 20:12 < fenn> okay. 20:13 < fenn> does this mean i should deliver the nda thingy/ i'm too busy to work on it for a month anyway 20:13 < fenn> also, bbl 20:14 < kanzure> oh hey it's a legit perl module 20:14 < kanzure> this isn't that bad 20:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-15-30.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 21:19 -!- evolv is now known as evolvidle 21:55 -!- Nam-Ereh-Won [~namerehwo@cpe-173-174-208-25.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59 -!- Nam-Ereh-Won [~namerehwo@cpe-173-174-208-25.satx.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:12 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Join New Direction in Space on Facebook! http://is.gd/ndispace] 22:55 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:59 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 < saurik> kanzure: I probably know less about the 4G man-in-the-middle than you do at this point (all I read about it is the conversation on hacker news) --- Log closed Thu Aug 11 00:00:19 2011