--- Log opened Thu Sep 08 00:00:00 2011
02:34 < kanzure> boop
02:39 < kanzure> joseph finally got his video re: open science summit up..
02:39 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMxYymZ8Zqo
02:40 < kanzure> "why do open hardware?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ0OPT5s9aQ
04:06 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-86-140.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly]
04:30 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
04:43 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:03 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:08 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: splicer, Tyrant, dbolser
06:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dbolser
06:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: splicer, Tyrant
06:15 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:26 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-221-39.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:42 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:43 -!- Jaakko94 [~Jaakko@host86-131-176-188.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:13 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-67-186-15-75.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:15 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:32 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit []
08:11 -!- gedanken1tuecke [~bastian@phylomemetic-tree.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: gedankenstuecke, delinquentme
08:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: delinquentme
08:40 -!- freenode [freenode@s83.seattle.pd.wastate.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:40 -!- freenode is now known as Guest30170
08:50 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:05 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-67-186-15-75.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
09:13 -!- epitron [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:16 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:29 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:45 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-74-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:55 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:56 -!- gedanken1tuecke is now known as gedankenstuecke
11:04 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-74-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:35 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:50 -!- strages [~makers@c-71-207-181-192.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
11:50 -!- strages [~makers@c-71-207-181-192.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:08 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
12:23 -!- epitron [~epitron@ava.ponzo.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:23 -!- epitron [~epitron@ava.ponzo.net] has quit [Changing host]
12:23 -!- epitron [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:28 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:36 -!- Jaakko94 [~Jaakko@host86-131-176-188.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]
14:23 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:23 -!- Jaakko94 [~Jaakko@host86-131-176-188.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:58 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:01 < kanzure> ^all of that is boring
15:26 -!- strages [~makers@c-71-207-181-192.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
15:27 -!- strages [~makers@c-71-207-181-192.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:36 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
15:47 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:48 < QuantumG> I think I'm gunna be sad, I think it's today... yeah.
15:50 -!- strages_ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:02 < kanzure> this is an interesting take on non-assert agreements
18:02 < kanzure> http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/dpl-and-fair-troll-business-model-make.html
18:03 < kanzure> i posted it to openmanufacturing.. basically the idea is to acquire patents and then sublicense them via a 'defensive patent license' (defensive-use-only) meanwhile suing everyone not in the DPL pool like a crazy troll
18:06 < kanzure> there'd have to be a legal mechanism to keep the 'fair troll' honest
18:07 < kanzure> if the dpl troll owns all of the patents then it could theoretically cross-license the patents under non-DPL terms
18:07 < kanzure> if only there was a way to permanently destroy a patent's teeth
18:12 < kanzure> maybe this: the original owner of the patent can give ownership to dpl troll but at any time the owner can pay $1 to put the patent into the public domain
18:12 < kanzure> *the original owner can pay $1
18:33 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-74-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:44 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]
18:56 -!- klafka [~textual@173-87-252-160.dsl2-plymouth.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
19:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-74-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit]
19:33 -!- strages_ [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
19:50 -!- klafka [~textual@173-87-252-160.dsl2-plymouth.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]
20:42 -!- Jaakko94 [~Jaakko@host86-131-176-188.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]
20:57 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-221-39.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly]
21:01 < kanzure> huh, a patent can be invalidated if the list of inventors is shown to be wrong
21:02 < QuantumG> heh
21:02 < kanzure> QuantumG: i'm trying to figure out if you can somehow cause a patent to undergo early termination
21:02 < kanzure> (if you own the patent)
21:02 < QuantumG> disclaim all rights to it
21:03 < QuantumG> there's a technical term for "I promise not to sue"
21:03 < kanzure> wait..
21:04 < kanzure> no that's no the same thing
21:04 < kanzure> but i just found this:
21:04 < kanzure> "In like manner any patentee may disclaim or dedicate to the public the entire term, or any terminal part of the term, of the patent granted"
21:04 < kanzure> http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/1400_1490.htm
21:05 < kanzure> "37 CFR 1.321(a) also provides for the filing by an applicant or patentee of a terminal disclaimer which disclaims or dedicates to the public the entire term or any portion of the term of a patent or patent to be granted."
21:05 < kanzure> wonder if that can be retroactively assigned
21:07 < QuantumG> heh, to stop yourself from current action?
21:07 < kanzure> http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxr_1_321.htm#cfr37s1.321
21:07 < kanzure> did you read the stuff above about a defensive patent license and a 'fair troll' company?
21:08 < kanzure> i was concerned that a 'fair troll' might turn evil; if it owns 50k patents it doesn't have to abide by the defensive patent license (only the people it sublicenses to)
21:08 < QuantumG> if it owns the patents, you can't revoke them
21:09 < QuantumG> (kinda implicit in the term "own")
21:09 < kanzure> but say that an inventor assigns the patent to the 'fair troll'.. with the provision that, for $1, the inventor can nullify the patent.. this way, the original inventor can keep the 'fair troll' in check
21:09 < kanzure> if the 'fair troll' becomes evil then the inventors can self-destruct the patents
21:09 < kanzure> a 'defensive patent license'-licensed patent is useful but it's not that far removed from a patent in the public domain
21:09 < QuantumG> that would just be a contract between the investor and the troll, yes.
21:10 < kanzure> yeah
21:10 < QuantumG> s/investor/inventor/
21:10 < kanzure> right
21:10 < QuantumG> I imagine it might work, but contracts have a habit of having loopholes
21:11 < kanzure> well.. it's a very minor point in the overall scheme i think; the main idea is to make sure the 'fair troll doesn't turn evil ;)
21:11 < kanzure> maybe by making the 'fair troll' a co-op
21:11 < QuantumG> I remember there actually is a law against authorizing someone else to attack using your patent.. the $1 thing might be considered you effectively still owning the patent.
21:12 < kanzure> well, the original owner can't assing the patent to fairtroll via DPL because then the original owner can be a wildcard
21:12 < kanzure> and if you have 50,000 different original owners.. that's too many wildcards for a fairtroll to consider
21:12 < kanzure> *assign
21:12 < kanzure> it has to be an ownership transfer, i think
21:16 < kanzure> the article i linked to suggests that 'multiple fair trolls would keep each other in line.. and thus they won't deviate and become evil' but that does not sound reliabel to me
21:16 < kanzure> *reliable
21:23 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:32 < fenn> nerp
21:33 < fenn> you're wasting your attention on an imaginary problem
21:33 < fenn> a meta-imaginary problem at that
21:34 < fenn> anything interesting the last 3 weeks?
21:38 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
21:40 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:42 < kanzure> fenn: went to japan, malaysia and vietnam
21:52 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:58 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoas-fe3ddd00-25.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:00 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoas-fe3ddd00-25.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:02 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
22:14 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:32 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:52 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:02 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]
23:54 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-178-133-196.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
--- Log closed Fri Sep 09 00:00:02 2011