--- Log opened Sat Sep 24 00:00:24 2011
00:00 < QuantumG> I noticed the trees blowing on the shore were blowing in the wind and then I started hearing chimes.
00:01 < QuantumG> I thought that was nice enough, but then I noticed the sound was coming from a set of wind chimes that were hanging from the top of the platform.
00:01 < QuantumG> As it turned out, those chimes had no code.
00:02 < QuantumG> It was 100% physics.
00:12 < Stee|> Heh.
00:12 < Stee|> Second Life has a social structural issue
00:13 < joshcryer> Did the sound have different tones? I know materials have collision sounds but I'm not sure if they're that physical.
00:14 < QuantumG> yeah
00:39 < joshcryer> Neat, I just ran into a role playing 5 year old girl.
00:39  * joshcryer 's mind melts
00:56 < joshcryer> Nice, you got featured on Hobbyspace's "RLV and Space Transport News" QuantumG.
00:58 < joshcryer> You should put Elon's statement about getting off the planet otherwise we go extinct. All life.
00:59 < joshcryer> (in the latest video, no idea which minute mark, I was just listening since it was just him at a table)
01:00 < Stee|> near the end
01:02 < kanzure> deliquentme: yeah i'm speaking
01:05 < joshcryer> There was this asinine primitivist book I read where a guy invented a god machine and it took over the entire universe and put everyone in a virtual reality.
01:06 < joshcryer> Now this was unacceptable to a deathist / primmie, and she was determined to kill the godmachine using a loophole in its design.
01:06 < Utopiah> Vint Cerf?
01:06 < joshcryer> It helped that the creator was hopelessly in love with her or something stupid like that so she manipulated him into killing the machine.
01:07 < kanzure> boop
01:07 < joshcryer> Anyway the machine killed itself and returned the universe back to the way it was (thermodynamically impossible, but let's play along), finally it put the primmie woman back into her own reality where she could sit around a campfire and grow old and DIE.
01:08 < joshcryer> Not her own reality, the book made you think that was it, she was plopped into real reality.
01:09 < joshcryer> w/e you know what I mean.
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01:36 < strangewarp> Joy. So she could be natural and real and dignified.
01:36  * strangewarp barf
01:37 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis_of_Prime_Intellect ?
01:47 < Utopiah> joshcryer: you might like http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0145x8b
01:54 < superkuh> Definitely The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect.
01:55 < jrayhawk> he's mischaracterizing it in a few ways, so I am not entirely convinced.
01:56 < kanzure> https://opendesignengine.net/
01:56 < kanzure> eh so this looks more like an issue tracker than git repo hosting thing
01:57 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/373493158/open-hardware-needs-a-sourceforge-of-its-own
01:57 < kanzure> at least they plan to use redmine.. but i don't really get it
01:57 < kanzure> i also don't know why phillip would choose to promote that over some of the more mature options out there
02:01 < jrayhawk> MoPI seems a little bit like SingInst propaganda; "This is what might happen if you botch the Singularity!"
02:01 < jrayhawk> "Give us money so we can perform existential hand-wringing for you!"
02:03 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, whoa how'd you find that!?
02:03 < joshcryer> Yes it's been years and I did mischaracterize it quite a bit (though I blame my wanting to explain it in as few words as possible).
02:05 < joshcryer> I thought MoPI was the best outcome you could expect from the Singularity, I mean, it wasn't botched.
02:06 < joshcryer> I personally thought that the ending was open ended, did the Prime Intelligence really reverse everything or just plop Caroline into a convincing reality so she could happily cease existing?
02:07 < jrayhawk> The lesson I took away is that haphazard preconditions/rules for the AI would lead to a brittle, crippled, idiot AI that would leave everything worse off than it started with.
02:08 < jrayhawk> Lawrence actually spends half the story hand-wringing about this.
02:09 < jrayhawk> Maybe I just listen to too much SingInst nonsense.
02:09 < joshcryer> True, I actually chose to believe the ending was open ended. I don't think it presented itself as such but I found it asinine to be honest.
02:11 < joshcryer> I thought Lawrence was in love with her but I think that's the main part I royally screwed up I guess.
02:12 < jrayhawk> Yeah, he was mostly just intimidated by her until the un-Change, since she was the only human who seemed to be able to push Prime Intellect's boundaries.
02:13 < joshcryer> I think that's why I chose to believe she got played.
02:13 < joshcryer> PI simply realized true death was acceptable, etc.
02:13 < joshcryer> It's been so long though I really shouldn't critique it, I'm going on notions that are long built up in my head and could be just bashing something that's not real.
02:14 < jrayhawk> Your position is entirely defensible, and, judging from the fact that there's a sequel involving more of Prime, likely
02:14 < joshcryer> :D
02:16 < jrayhawk> Characterizing her as a luddite or a primitivist is a little unfair; she was fairly clearly self-determinist foremost.
02:19 < joshcryer> Yeah, I botched the whole thing, like I said, notions I built up over time. I always think back to the end of that book as some sort of terrifyingly bad thing. You don't reverse the damn singularity. :P
02:19 < joshcryer> That should be the first of the New Asimov Rules. Don't Reverse The Singularity.
02:41 < joshcryer> I think the luddite message came from the fact that when "The Change" happened, she "saw it" and then "knew everything wasn't real."
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13:54 < kanzure> holy heck frictionless sharing from apps on facebook?
13:55 < kanzure> hahaha i can't count the number of ways that i could become super-evil with that
14:03 < kanzure> "Network-wide Integration of Stem Cell-Derived Neurons and Mouse Cortical Neurons using Microfabricated Co-culture Devices"
14:03 < kanzure> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264711001481
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19:09 < Juul> hi
19:09 < Juul> are any of you guys in boston?
19:11 < kanzure> uhh
19:11 < kanzure> not at the moment no
19:12 < Juul> hm, i'm looking for a 24 hour place with wifi
19:14 < QuantumG> McDonalds?
19:15 < Juul> QuantumG, not a bad idea
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