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10:56 < kanzure> ybit: stop spending so much time schooling
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12:36 < delinquentme> YEAaaaa hawwwws
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15:19 < kanzure> hrmm
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17:32 < kanzure> someone say something interesting
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17:35 < klafka> something interesting
17:35 < kanzure> shit..
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17:50 < superkuh> The cygnus X-1 black hole accretion disk seems to have switched into a state of low hard x-ray brightness this week.
17:51 < superkuh> http://heastro.phys.lsu.edu/gbm/image.php?sourceimage=CYGX-1
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18:29 < kanzure> hi everyonemines
18:29 < kanzure> which anime was that?
18:29 < everyonemines> Hello.
18:29 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayonara,_Zetsubou-Sensei ?
18:29 < everyonemines> yes
18:32 < kanzure> superkuh: that counts, thanks
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18:48 < kanzure> fenn: you doing anything fun?
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20:42 < everyonemines> Is this channel based around open source hardware and DIY bio, or what?
20:42 < kanzure> yep pretty much
20:43 < everyonemines> any ocaml coders here?
20:48 < everyonemines> Well,
20:48 < everyonemines> I'm not really into open source hardware or DIY bio in particular, but I do know a fair amount about maufacturing and biology
20:48 < everyonemines> and I'm not into lesswrong's stuff either but I'm in that channel too
20:48 < everyonemines> because it's a place you can find smart people.
20:48 < everyonemines> That's my interest.
20:49 < kanzure> it's the sort of 'smart people' that you would want to play chess with, though.. not 'design me a thermonuclear warhead that fits inside of my iphone' people
20:49 < everyonemines> Even if you use americium you'll fail at that.
20:49 < kanzure> :)
20:49 < everyonemines> ...so maybe that's an appropriate metaphor
20:51 < everyonemines> With software, installation is relatively easy. For hardware, "installation" of a pattern is harder than "coding" the manufacturing process. That's the essential difference, I think, but it's enough to make open source work for only one.
20:52 < kanzure> are you familiar with package managers on linux
20:53 < everyonemines> And bio is to me fundamentally a capital intensive area. You can do code on your home computer but you need lots of capital to be google too. It's just a difference in scale.
20:53 < everyonemines> kanzure: I know how package managers work, not on linux though.
20:53 < everyonemines> I use os x.
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20:55 < kanzure> everyonemines: i want one of those for hardware
20:55 < kanzure> everyonemines: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb
20:55 < kanzure> on an unrelated note most people get a kick out of this: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer
20:55 < QuantumG> I got banned from another forum http://itsaboutliberty.com/ ironic.. I guess it's not about liberty :)
20:55 < everyonemines> Yeah I saw that link. But while pushing for a standard _format_ for describing products seems reasonable...
20:56 < everyonemines> the "compilation/install" isn't something that people have hardware for personally.
20:56 < joshcryer> QuantumG, heh, you're wasting too much time on politics.
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20:56 < everyonemines> And since it's expensive, you want to be running that continuously. That means groups of people, which means corporations for organization.
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20:56 <@kanzure> it's not about liberty you jerk!
20:56 < joshcryer> heh. op abuse isn't funny.
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20:56 < joshcryer> people take that seriously
20:57 < kanzure> i think he's also an op so it all evens out
20:57 < kanzure> everyonemines: not everyone has a compiler for software either
20:57 < kanzure> everyonemines: i don't think it's reasonable to assume that everyone all over the world needs to be a hardware developer
20:57 < kanzure> or to use machine tools
20:57 < joshcryer> I wanted to ask him about his project
20:57 < joshcryer> he was talking about welding stuff on twitter
20:57 < kanzure> he'll come back
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20:58 < QuantumG> nice
20:58 < kanzure> wb QuantumG
20:58 < joshcryer> heh
20:58 < everyonemines> kanzure: Everyone can install software, though. You only need to compile it once per architecture.
20:58 < kanzure> so, welding project?
20:58 < everyonemines> Which isn't a big issue.
20:58 < QuantumG> yeah, I'm going through too much argon
20:59 < kanzure> everyonemines: gentoo compiles it as many times as it wants *shrug*
20:59 < QuantumG> guessing there must be something wrong with my regulator.. or my expectations
21:03 < joshcryer> what are you making?
21:03 < joshcryer> other than tables
21:05 < QuantumG> right now, a hand pump for hydrotesting
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21:05 < QuantumG> next, pressure vessels
21:07 < joshcryer> oh cool are you working for idiom? ;P
21:07 < QuantumG> nope.. just seeing how hard it is
21:14 < kanzure> Stee|: you should also ask in here
21:15 < kanzure> Stee| is wondering about areas of underrepresented mathematical representation in additive manufacturing
21:15 < Stee|> specifically physics based modeling
21:19 < kanzure> no takers?
21:19 < kanzure> but yeah metamaterials would be nice
21:19 < Stee|> okay, cool
21:20 < Stee|> my lab got the most fucking cool shit in ever the other day
21:20 < Stee|> only piece of equipment in the US
21:20 < Stee|> it's a all in one integrated CNC micromachining suite
21:20 < kanzure> nanowire bits ?
21:21 < Stee|> doubt it, feature size is like 3microns
21:21 < Stee|> it's pretty much the most advanced micromachining setup that the people who actually build this shit are willing to sell
21:21 < Stee|> instead of keeping proprietary
21:21 < Stee|> fucking zaibatsus.
21:26 < kanzure> Stee|: it would also be cool to be able to model the dynamics (solid->fluid transition) going on in the nozzle
21:26 < Stee|> Hmm
21:26 < Stee|> interesting point
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