--- Log opened Mon Sep 26 00:00:27 2011 00:47 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03 < kanzure> http://boingboing.net/2011/09/25/747s-as-flying-unix-hosts-scada-in-the-sky.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 01:03 < kanzure> aw fuck 01:03 < kanzure> http://boingboing.net/2011/09/25/747s-as-flying-unix-hosts-scada-in-the-sky.html 01:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:53 < fenn> wurrble 02:54 < fenn> i was playing with curved spaces and other hyperbolic games: http://geometrygames.org/ 02:54 < fenn> need to get it to compile on linux so i can hook up joystick support 02:56 < fenn> i'd like to make a virtual reality of some sort based on this code, eventually 02:56 < fenn> low priority atm 02:56 < fenn> it's GPL 03:00 < fenn> Stee|: there have been numerous conversations about modeling the reprap melting/extrusion/solidifcation process but afaik nobody has actually done any modeling 03:00 < fenn> there are a lot of poorly understood processes going on 03:00 < fenn> nophead's been doing a lot of work on the melting part 03:01 < fenn> then you get to deal with non-newtonian fluid flow, shear stress, thermally induced stress, and plain old viscosity 03:01 < fenn> these things tend to make the part come out differently than as designed 03:01 < fenn> but they're all perfectly repeatable 03:02 < fenn> also i havent looked at reprap for 6 months or so 03:11 < fenn> hum, inositol is involved in serotonin activity modulation 03:11 < fenn> wish there was a citation for that 03:13 < fenn> http://inositolpage.blogspot.com/ 03:15 < fenn> is there a psychopharmaceutical simulator? for automatically warning about drug interactions 03:25 < fenn> wow google really needs a "-1" button 03:30 < fenn> The ethanol is separated from the lecithin sludge, after which the ethanol is removed by evaporation to obtain a phosphatidylcholine-enriched lecithin fraction. 03:30 < fenn> sweet, DIY pharmacology 04:02 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 < fenn> my typing speed varies from 75 (typespeed) to 150 (gtypist) 04:25 < fenn> i sense a discrepancy 04:25 < fenn> average ~115 on typeracer 04:26 < foucist> gtypist is probably less accurate then! 04:26 < foucist> have you tested your typing speed locally 04:26 < fenn> what do you mean? 04:26 < foucist> compared to via websites 04:26 < fenn> typespeed and gtypist are command line programs 04:26 < foucist> ah 04:27 < fenn> i just think it's odd that there's no de facto standard typing test 04:27 < fenn> and that they can vary by a factor of two 04:30 < fenn> i dont get why this section is here at all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropics#Recreational_drugs 04:32 < foucist> fenn: hmm, it's not written out very well, needs to be fleshed out/re-organized/explained better etc 04:32 < foucist> but it makes sense that a certain subset of nootropics are atually 'recreational drugs' 04:33 < fenn> but not a single one is listed there 04:33 < foucist> damn, that wikipedia entry doesn't mention vitamin C.. or sugar 04:33 < fenn> um. why am i talking to you. 04:34 < foucist> fenn: because i know more about nootropics than you? jk 04:34 < foucist> and anyways, why are you talking to me?! 04:34 < fenn> dunno i have stuff to do 04:35 < foucist> ah 04:35 < fenn> like order some vitamins for example :P 04:36 < foucist> i need to get some EFA & PAGG pronto! 04:36 < foucist> maybe in a year! 04:39 < fenn> " The book includes an interesting story of how Tim came to investigate the benefits of garlic involving a homeless man." 04:39 < fenn> heh i've thought about doing this 04:42 < foucist> :P 04:45 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:57 < fenn> foucist you should like the last section of this article (sugar's effects on willpower) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/magazine/do-you-suffer-from-decision-fatigue.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all 05:31 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@78.8.222.105] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:56 -!- saurik [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 < foucist> fenn: nice! 06:03 < foucist> interesting article 06:07 < foucist> hmm 06:33 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:38 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@x-134-84-100-61.reshalls.umn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 -!- saurik [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-18-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:48 < jrayhawk> hahaha they made it through that entire article without mentioning serotonin 10:48 < jrayhawk> quality research 10:51 -!- saurik [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@x-134-84-100-61.reshalls.umn.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@x-134-84-100-61.reshalls.umn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@x-134-84-100-61.reshalls.umn.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 12:18 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 -!- archels [~foo@unaffiliated/archels] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:26 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- saurik [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-18-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 13:04 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:37 < kanzure> http://videos.arte.tv/fr/videos/tracks-4147068.html 13:38 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 < kanzure> "french/german tv show about ray kurzweil and biohackers" 13:38 < kanzure> ray doesn't like biohackers.. how did that happen 13:41 < archels> kanzure: Has there been any meaningful discussion here on the neutrino experiment? 13:42 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Join New Direction in Space on Facebook! http://is.gd/ndispace] 13:53 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 14:09 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-72-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:16 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 < kanzure> archels: not in here, no 14:42 < kanzure> but i think i linked to the paper 14:43 < kanzure> and fenn complained about the number of authors on the paper 15:33 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-18-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:52 < AlonzoTG> I'm too stupid to really understand physics. 15:52 < AlonzoTG> This neutrino discovery would be majorly revolutionary, so therefore I am waiting for some extremely strong proof that it is true. 15:58 < QuantumG> umm.. you should wait for confirmation of all scientific experiments 16:02 < eudoxia> I want proof that it was an error just to spite the FTL people 16:02 < eudoxia> Jesus so annoying 16:03 < QuantumG> sure.. but what's important is that ALL results require confirmation.. not just the ones you happen to disagree with. 16:08 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12 < eudoxia> why of course 16:12 < eudoxia> but i hate how everyone thinks "hurp durp we ftl now finally i'll save the galaxy just like cuptain shepurd" over a single experiment after a century of confirmation after confirmation of relativity 16:14 < QuantumG> its the breakthrough mentality 16:16 < Stee|> eudoxia: I'm more interested in the reading I've been doing on Podkletnov/Tajmar/Heim/Poher forces 16:17 < Stee|> not a lot of attention to them, unfortunately 16:17 < Stee|> and there's been a lot of unreproducible results 16:21 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-18-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 16:31 < QuantumG> in regards to the neutrinos, my first thought was "how the hell do you make a radio out of that?" 16:37 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:53 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Raide [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36 -!- Raide [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 < klafka> hey! 17:56 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14 < kanzure> hi klafka 18:15 < klafka> what's up kanzure 18:23 < kanzure> working myself to death 18:28 < klafka> fun 18:28 < klafka> on what? 18:28 < klafka> i'm working too 18:51 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:53 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:33 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-7-76.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-7-76.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38 < kanzure> jrayhawk: hey bruce has proposed a way to do open hardware licensing: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/a449608fc8519b2f?hide_quotes=no#msg_23e85b39c33386d4 20:39 < kanzure> it seems to be a trademark play.. 20:40 < kanzure> (like OHANDA) 20:40 < jrayhawk> Hrm. Well, I guess that's better for an evangelistic effort. 20:41 < jrayhawk> And trademark law is a lot easier to fight on. 20:42 < kanzure> i would much rather have strict membership requirements 20:43 < kanzure> where you are given a license to use the trademark as a member 20:43 < kanzure> and as a member you vow to respect the requirements (release all dev files) 20:43 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@78.8.222.105] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 20:43 < kanzure> if you break or violate the rules as a member, you are instantly kicked out 20:43 < QuantumG> then you have to make people value the trademark 20:43 < kanzure> 'instantly' is too strong 20:45 < kanzure> jrayhawk: it still seems a lot weaker or like the practical benefits aren't quite the same as GPL 20:45 < kanzure> OHANDA is a simple trademarking scheme for open hardware.. so how is this one any better? (besides the fact that i trust bruce to get his act together in some legally sane way) 20:45 < jrayhawk> Well, you're never going to get *all* of the desirable properties of the GPL 20:46 < kanzure> so members of this 'contract co-op' will release their files on the web for viewing 20:46 < kanzure> "derivatives are licensed through so-and-so co-op of which you must become a member to join and make derivatives" 20:46 < kanzure> is that how it would go down? 20:47 < QuantumG> just sounds like proprietary licensing to me 20:48 < kanzure> well so is GPL... you assign your copyright to FSF or whatever 20:51 < kanzure> am i making this up? 20:51 < jrayhawk> The copyright assignment part, mostly, yes. 20:51 < kanzure> i am making it up? 20:51 < kanzure> ok i thought so 20:52 < jrayhawk> The FSF and maaaaaybe Canonical are the only freedom-oriented organizations that require copyright assignment that I can think of off the top of my head. 20:53 < jrayhawk> Most of the rest are just blatant commercial dual-licensors. 20:53 < jrayhawk> Most free software projects do not require copyright assignment. 20:54 < jrayhawk> That said, despite Bruce not having assigned copyright to the FSF, the FSF has still been using his code for their ham-fisted legal activism. 20:54 < kanzure> what about linux 20:55 < kanzure> are all of those devs assigning copyright somewhere? 20:55 < jrayhawk> Nope. 20:55 < kanzure> nice 20:56 < jrayhawk> Large amounts of new code written for Linux are actually BSD-licensed, even. 20:57 < kanzure> i think the problem with OHANDA is that they didn't go the licensing-a-trademark route 20:57 < kanzure> they just did here-is-a-trademark route 20:59 < klafka> jrayhawk: you don't like FSF? 20:59 < jrayhawk> Not most of it, no. 20:59 < klafka> oh woops i was thinking of eff 21:00 < klafka> yeah fsf is definitely more controversial 21:01 < AlonzoTG> oh, are you guys busy talking about [unspecified] again? =P 21:02 < AlonzoTG> I can imagine the three of you meeting off-line, deciding on a topic, then agreeing to finish the conversation in this chat room, typing as much as humanly possible without revealing the context, motivation, or meaning of the conversation. =P 21:03 < jrayhawk> So I guess the trademark thing will help this concept get off the ground, but it makes things conceptually messier if we're aiming for an end-game of destroying the patent system. 21:03 < AlonzoTG> what concept? 21:03 < AlonzoTG> Which trademark? 21:03 < jrayhawk> there is a link at the beginning of this conversation that provides the context for this conversation 21:04 < AlonzoTG> my computer is a bit blinky right now after being on-line for 30 days. 21:04 < AlonzoTG> For one thing, clicking on a link first brings up an error message, then a web browser, and then, finally, libreoffice. 21:04 < AlonzoTG> the last, for no discernable reason at all. 21:05 < jrayhawk> That said, I suspect the world would be more amenable to a pure patent/contract solution after having gotten used to a trademark/license/patent(/still possibly contract?) solution 21:05 < AlonzoTG> I can't imagine how well a vastly accelerated upload's computer could possibly last more than a week or so. 21:05 < kanzure> AlonzoTG: jokes on you for clicking on shit 21:05 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06 < kanzure> real men don't click links they either type the url from memory or don't 21:06 < kanzure> also, have you considered using wget, curl, links2 or lynx? 21:06 < AlonzoTG> oh, open hardware. 21:06 < AlonzoTG> I tried my hand on that last week. 21:06 < AlonzoTG> I couldn't find an EDA tool capable of finishing my PCB layout the way I needed it... You're welcome to look at my schematics though. 21:06 < jrayhawk> So I guess I'm in support. 21:07 < kanzure> AlonzoTG: how about geda? 21:07 < AlonzoTG> I think I tried that, 21:07 < AlonzoTG> very messy system. 21:08 < AlonzoTG> My computer is a bit blinky right now because I had 3 versions of libpng, and some of my most critical software required a specific version, 21:08 < AlonzoTG> It's in the process of repairing itself. 21:08 < AlonzoTG> Also, my main window manager broke on my right monitor so I'm just using twm over there... It's barely usable. =P 21:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i don't think you can use trademarks to construct something more valuable than a patent 21:10 < jrayhawk> haha a google search for "Bruce Perense does not speak for me" comes up with perens.com/resources/speaking/ "Inviting Bruce Perens To Speak At Your Conference" 21:11 < kanzure> "his views are expressly his own" 21:12 < jrayhawk> err "Bruce Perens does not speak for me" 21:12 < jrayhawk> I can spell, I swear. 21:36 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [] 21:40 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54 < kanzure> oh look he's finally using git 22:54 < kanzure> https://github.com/tpaviot/pythonocc 23:22 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:44 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:45 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Client Quit] --- Log closed Tue Sep 27 00:00:29 2011