--- Log opened Wed Nov 02 00:00:23 2011 00:24 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-154.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly_] 00:26 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-154.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:21 -!- epitron [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 03:21 -!- epitron_ [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- CapNemo [u1995@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-enemivjqsjmpqlsz] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 03:26 -!- CapNemo_ [u1995@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nstrzyqvcvxzftda] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:28 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Utopiah, saurik, drazak_, gedankenstuecke, CapNemo_, strangewarp, poptire, ferrouswheel, Helleshin, uniqanomaly, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:28 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: klafka1, SDr, epitron_, augur, devrandom, archels, jenzebubble, AlonzoTG, ivan` 03:28 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: foucist, elmom, nuba 03:30 -!- CIA-34 [~CIA@cia.atheme.org] has quit [] 03:31 -!- CapNemo [u1995@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fvnrertzzgjftlaj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: http://gnusha.org/skdb/ http://groups.google.com/group/diybio http://bit.ly/diybionews http://gitduino.com/ http://gadaprize.org/ | logs: http://gnusha.org/logs/ 03:47 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] [Thu Jan 20 10:44:20 2011] 03:47 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 03:47 [ AlonzoTG] [ dbolser ] [ ferrouswheel ] [ ivan` ] [ nuba ] [ superkuh ] 03:47 [ archels ] [ devrandom] [ Fiohnel ] [ jenzebubble] [ pasky_ ] [ uniqanomaly] 03:47 [ augur ] [ drazak_ ] [ foucist ] [ jrayhawk ] [ poptire ] [ Utopiah ] 03:47 [ bkero ] [ elmom ] [ gedankenstuecke] [ kanzure ] [ saurik ] [ ybit ] 03:47 [ CapNemo ] [ epitron_ ] [ gnusha ] [ klafka1 ] [ SDr ] 03:47 [ CIA-8 ] [ fenn ] [ Helleshin ] [ milkshakes ] [ strangewarp] 03:47 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 34 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 34 normal] 03:47 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 03:47 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 5 secs 03:51 -!- nchaimov [~nchaimov@c-67-171-214-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:51 -!- Stee| [~Steel@cpe-67-246-36-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- CapNemo [u1995@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 03:58 -!- CapNemo [u1995@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfhcecihrnijnjye] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-89-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-100-039.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:08 < antipragmatist> kanzure are you here ? 05:08 < antipragmatist> i need your help 05:08 < antipragmatist> i want to plan a hit kill 05:09 < antipragmatist> i am gonna take them down man 05:10 < antipragmatist> each atomic molecule one by one 05:11 < antipragmatist> im gonna control it man 05:11 < antipragmatist> each atom 05:22 < antipragmatist> can you just get me this article http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=41&gs_id=8&xhr=t&q=A+fully+computer+controlled%2C+low+cost+STM&qe=QSBmdWxseSBjb21wdXRlciBjb250cm9sbGVkLCBsb3cgY29zdCBTVE0&qesig=q4YHi1k8WRc47oWTgg2U9g&pkc=AFgZ2tl0D7DH6cCHFPBYgbgBx5Ht_uxGIVXVeNHwGFBUa-7UqcTo9FVPMAzYuDDZYNIrCOXvh51GYCp-AUQDyydNAh04g9skiA&pf=p&sclient=tablet-gws&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=A+fully+computer+controlled,+low+cost+ 05:22 < antipragmatist> sorry wrong url http://www.springerlink.com/content/j75m270v635v534p/ 05:45 < antipragmatist> niven y do usay that 05:45 < antipragmatist> scared? 06:18 -!- pasky_ is now known as pasky 06:24 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:24 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 06:40 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01 < antipragmatist> hey jose what is in the bit bucket 07:02 < antipragmatist> i am into nano tech kanzure is mentoring me so I can do it quickly 07:03 < antipragmatist> and yes, i got the afm doc from him already :-) 07:04 < antipragmatist> are you still here guy? 07:05 -!- jennicide [jen@173-27-44-143.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 < antipragmatist> i am very happy to be here it is a great place in the usa. 07:06 < JayDugger> Welcome to America! 07:07 < JayDugger> If you become a citizen, I'll send you a complimentary copy of tax preparation software for April 15th, the day federal income tax comes due. :) 07:08 -!- jenzebubble [jen@173-27-44-143.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:10 < JayDugger> I'll also send you a combined thank-you note and congrulatory card. :) 07:10 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:10 < JayDugger> s/congrualtory/congratulatory/ 07:10 < antipragmatist> thank you. i shall do tha -... it i my dream 07:11 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:14 < antipragmatist> i am designing a stm for my nano poject. it will we immensely simplified but i hope to get it working really well with optimiztions in isolation system and added laser interferometry system for better computer control. 07:15 < JayDugger> I don't have any particular technical skills that would help you there, I'm afraid, but I wish you a great deal of success with that project. You will certainly learn a lot from it. 07:15 < antipragmatist> i am unsure as to the benefits of cryogenics thtoughff 07:16 -!- strages_ [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:16 < fenn> jamie mantzel's house reminds me of burning man 07:16 < antipragmatist> yes, that is very true and i hope to learn as much as i can from the toy. 07:16 < antipragmatist> it will be fun!!! 07:17 < antipragmatist> i want to leRn to control the atom bit by bit 07:17 < antipragmatist> bye bye for now 07:17 < JayDugger> Good-bye, and again--good luck! 07:20 < fenn> fuck logarithmic calendars, i want a hyperbolic calendar 07:22 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/conformal_mapping.png 07:35 * fenn wonders if he's going to halcyon today to build some crap 07:36 < fenn> a big styrofoam box for the new TEM 07:42 < fenn> huh. 07:42 < kanzure> hm? 07:42 < fenn> [6~[6~looking at nature.com i see this on the sidebar 07:42 < fenn> Open innovation challenges 07:42 < fenn> Isolating Active Human Endogenous Interleukin-25 07:42 < fenn> Deadline:Nov 29 2011Reward:$15,000 USD 07:42 < kanzure> "We have received a request from this email address to be subscribed to the Ezproxy list. Generally these requests come from educational institutions. Please explain your interest in this list. Thank you." 07:43 < fenn> I AM THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION 07:44 < kanzure> fenn: you should use deliquentme and do your robots 07:44 < kanzure> roboits 07:44 < kanzure> *robits 07:46 < fenn> $30,000 USDnGiven genetic variables (expression levels for ~7400 genes) and outcome data, deliver an efficient computer program that selects the most powerfully predictive variables, then uses these to accurately predict outcomes. Acceptable solutions must be implemented as an R package 07:46 < fenn> use delinquentme how? 07:46 < kanzure> yeah um i can't imagine less than 500 people are making that R package 07:47 < kanzure> well, he's eager and idealistic and has many of the same goals 07:49 < fenn> innocentive is interesting, i wonder if they actually pay up 07:49 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-100-039.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50 < kanzure> i've been getting innocentive emails for the past few years 07:50 < kanzure> can't answer that.. 07:50 < kanzure> maybe you should look at tasks on http://scienceexchange.com/ 07:50 < kanzure> are you still looking for things to do 07:52 * fenn glances over at the ginormous project list 07:52 < fenn> yeah, of course 07:53 < kanzure> i mean paying things 07:54 < fenn> science exchange looks very institution prejudiced 07:55 < fenn> paying things are good 07:55 < fenn> is anyone working on that nootropics price comparison site idea? 07:55 < kanzure> yep http://www.drugstack.com/ 07:55 < kanzure> klafka and i are brogramming it 07:56 * fenn winces 07:57 < kanzure> hey it's not bad for 20min of work you dork 07:57 < fenn> i hate websites like that 07:57 < kanzure> what do you want? octopart.com? 07:58 < fenn> compare http://octopart.com/ 07:58 < fenn> a) no bullshit ecommerce theme 07:58 < kanzure> don't worry about the layout 07:58 < fenn> b) words n stuff that are actually related to what the website is about 07:58 < kanzure> worry about all my scrapers 07:58 < fenn> what scrapers 07:59 < kanzure> scraping various vendor sites 07:59 < kanzure> i've been writing jquery 07:59 < kanzure> stuf 07:59 < fenn> what have you scraped so far? 07:59 < kanzure> nothing :) but this is presumably the actually important part 07:59 < kanzure> not the random-ass landing page 07:59 < fenn> i guess 07:59 < fenn> you can probably hire indians to do the "scraping" 07:59 < kanzure> or you 07:59 < fenn> heh 08:00 < fenn> you can pay per price recorded 08:00 < kanzure> haha no 08:00 < fenn> why not 08:00 < fenn> want to be a wage slavemaster? 08:01 < kanzure> because software can easily scale beyond my entire net worth 08:01 < fenn> you can scale in equity then 08:01 < kanzure> equity doesn't pay your bills 08:01 < fenn> you're right, but if you don't have the cash then what's the point of arguing 08:02 < kanzure> i do have the cash, but not the cash to pay $0.01 per price x 100 million items 08:03 < fenn> hm i hope kent responds before the last bullet train leaves 08:05 < kanzure> o shitz http://mulberry.toura.com/overview/ 08:11 < nuba> kanzure: join #touramulberry on freenode :) 08:18 < kanzure> fenn: so klafka and i are wondering about the nootropics site, 08:18 < kanzure> and there's two sets of scrapers you can imagine; 08:18 < kanzure> one that grabs prices 08:18 < kanzure> and another to seed data about drugs, like from wikipedia or another source 08:18 < kanzure> the second one is a bit curious.. any suggestions? scrape wikipedia Category:Nootropics ? 08:19 < fenn> hum 08:19 < fenn> to get a list of things to scrape for in the first place? 08:20 < kanzure> no 08:20 < kanzure> products have ingredients 08:20 < kanzure> these ingredients are generic chemicals or other substances 08:20 < kanzure> it would be nice to have information about these general things 08:20 < fenn> right 08:21 < fenn> it's hard to summarize a lot of technical information from disparate sources 08:21 < fenn> also wikipedia has a lot of extraneous information 08:21 < kanzure> maybe it should be broken down into: 08:21 < kanzure> 1) getting a list of nootropics to seed the database with (easy, but maybe a manual task) 08:21 < kanzure> 2) a scraper that pulls in data from pubchem, wikipedia, or other structured sources, for that general ingredient 08:21 < fenn> or things like "it's used for trating dementia and alzheimer's" which is totally useless 08:22 < fenn> you could list the links at the bottom, that would be useful 08:22 < fenn> i dont think trying to automatically smush various info sources into something resembling a webpage would be good though 08:22 < kanzure> that's not what i want to do 08:22 < kanzure> pubchem gives xml and chemical structures 08:22 < kanzure> and things 08:22 < fenn> ok 08:23 < kanzure> i think having that info available is important? 08:23 < fenn> not really, but it would be nice eye candy 08:23 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrafinil 08:23 < kanzure> the shit on the right 08:23 < kanzure> is structured data 08:23 < kanzure> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi?term=63547-13-7&rn=1 08:23 < fenn> i mean who cares about molecular weight of a drug 08:23 < kanzure> http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=3033226 08:23 < kanzure> half-life, excretion 08:23 < kanzure> routes 08:23 < kanzure> legal status 08:24 < fenn> bioavailability is an interesting metric 08:24 < fenn> never noticed that before 08:25 < fenn> legal status is also a good one 08:25 < kanzure> yeh i wonder if it changes per wikipedia language 08:25 < strages_> I <3 you guys 08:25 < strages_> everytime I come in here, I learn something new 08:25 < fenn> has different country codes, see i.e. modafinil 08:26 < kanzure> hah 08:26 < kanzure> ok so this sort of information seems important to me 08:27 < fenn> cody was saying the way the developed modafinil was like "hey, so antihistamines make you drowsy, what would an anti-antihistamine do?" 08:28 < fenn> yes i now agree wikipedia structured data is important 08:29 < kanzure> so there should probably be user-curated content on each general drug or each product 08:29 < fenn> for a while i've been meaning to print out various chemical structures and put them on my wall 08:29 < kanzure> especially since there's no general way to point to "THIS IS WHERE IT AFFECTS THE BRAINZ" in a diagram or something 08:31 < kanzure> i haven't mapped out all the features yet 08:31 < fenn> lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Gum 08:31 < kanzure> so a user makes a regimen.. and another user can comment on it? or another user can press a copy button and attach it to his account? 08:31 < kanzure> or a regimen is subscribed to? 08:32 < fenn> subscribed to means you watch for changes? or you're "actively doing" that regimen? 08:32 < kanzure> dunno 08:36 < kanzure> fenn: so ai-class turned out to be a publicity stunt for a company, eh? 08:36 < fenn> huh? 08:37 < fenn> why do you say that? 08:37 < kanzure> know labs 08:37 < kanzure> http://knowlabs.com/ 08:37 < fenn> they're the people who take the video and put it online 08:37 < fenn> hardly a publicity stunt to do their job 08:38 < kanzure> hrm 08:38 < fenn> i think it's just one guy 08:39 < fenn> eesh 08:39 < fenn> 7 bed, 7 bath, 5324 sq. ft. house located at 13818 PAGE MILL Rd, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 sold for $5949900 on May 17, 2010 08:40 < fenn> is the address of the company 08:40 < kanzure> los altos.. yeah 08:43 < fenn> hm well i'm off to redwood city for better or worse 08:43 -!- panax [panax@131.247.10.245] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 < kanzure> http://www.wikistep.org/bugzilla/ ISO 10303 'official' 09:29 -!- bkero [~bkero2@li280-127.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:29 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-100-039.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 -!- strages_ [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45 < antipragmatist> fenn what do you ean bythaat ylu are the educational institution? 09:48 < antipragmatist> fenn what do you mean by, "I AM THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION" ? 09:49 < kanzure> it was a funny remark to the bullshit email i got about ezproxy 09:49 -!- strages_ [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 < antipragmatist> ok :-) i was thin,ing he was a dean or something .... hehehe 09:51 < antipragmatist> i think that molecular assembly is nondetministic because you can not computer outcome only most probable. it is mostly a wait and see situation. 09:52 < antipragmatist> even qed is not definitive andit i feel is closer reality than traditional qm. 09:53 < antipragmatist> feynman w 09:54 < antipragmatist> says that everything is particle and shows how qed, via feynman diagrams, how this is so. 09:55 < antipragmatist> not a qed expert but one would think it would the only tool to create nano. 09:56 < antipragmatist> sadly, bothit and qm can only suggestit is possble a d nothing more. 09:57 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/ have fun.. 09:57 < antipragmatist> thankies 09:59 < antipragmatist> you know i have aall but given up looking for answers i seek regarding nanotech in book or web.... 10:00 < antipragmatist> eachbook or article has only pipe dreams but nothing concrete ... just obscure abstractness and complicated formulas that amount to nothing. 10:04 < antipragmatist> at this point, i truly believe that anything tangibly useful will be completly new and unlike the current state nanotech... a whole new paradigm 10:04 < antipragmatist> my problem is i have no idea yet ... 10:06 < antipragmatist> justlike the scientists doing research ... however do you think i have advantage by not being train think like a "scientist"? 10:06 < kanzure> no 10:07 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07 < antipragmatist> ok, so i should seek out traditonal learing to? 10:07 < kanzure> yes- read the papers, run the simulations, build a laboratory 10:08 < antipragmatist> ok 10:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-28-79.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 < antipragmatist> appreciate thehelp 10:21 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-100-039.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:25 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [] 11:31 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:30 -!- strages_ [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- yottabit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- ShapeShiftr [SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:12 -!- yottabit is now known as ybit 14:26 -!- epitron_ is now known as epitron 14:27 -!- epitron [~epitron@ava.ponzo.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:27 -!- epitron [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net208-2.wctc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13 -!- panax [panax@131.247.10.245] has quit [] 15:33 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-103-071.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-103-071.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-103-071.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 < antipragmatist> hi 15:44 < kanzure> hi 15:44 < antipragmatist> AnY diamonoid'ist here 15:44 < antipragmatist> hi kanzure 15:51 -!- ShapeShiftr [SDr@cpc6-dals18-2-0-cust155.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 15:51 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 15:52 -!- antipragmatist [~yaaic@mobile-166-147-103-071.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-28-79.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-28-79.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 < ybit> http://tylerwoods.bandcamp.com/track/silicon-fields-z3t30-glowing-rain-remix 17:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-28-79.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 17:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: marainein 20:09 -!- mayko [~mayko@cpe-098-122-166-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:33 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:36 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 -!- mayko [~mayko@cpe-098-122-166-230.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51 -!- mayko [~mayko@cpe-098-122-166-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Nov 03 00:00:25 2011