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02:50 < eudoxia> hey, everybody. the Roadmap says this: "* Where is the old grass-roots open source group that was researching worm mind-uploading?
02:50 < eudoxia> "
02:50 < eudoxia> and i think the answer to the question is http://groups.google.com/group/openworm
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06:57 < kanzure> eudoxia: nope, it was actually called MURG
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07:17 < kanzure> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/11/10/1353240/shanghai-government-proposes-100-community-hackerspaces
07:23 < JayDugger> Hey, kanzure.
07:24 < JayDugger> Thank you for your help yesterday.
07:25 < JayDugger> Turns out the position with Objet requires "up to 80%​ travel".
07:25 < kanzure> that sounds fun
07:25 < kanzure> what's the position?
07:25 < JayDugger> The word I have in mind lacks an "n," but it starts with "f" and "u" in that order.
07:26 < JayDugger> They've a similar position in Indianapolis, IN.
07:26 < kanzure> what's the position?
07:26 < JayDugger> http://jobview.monster.com/Field-Service-Engineer-Job-Indianapolis-IN-US-103207079.aspx
07:26 < kanzure> field service engineer? o.O
07:26 < JayDugger> If that link fails, I'll email it to you or paste it.
07:27 < JayDugger> Yeah...basically what I did for my former employer. Not bad, but very hard on marriages.
07:27 < kanzure> are you unemployed?
07:27 < JayDugger> No.
07:27 < JayDugger> If I was, that'd be different.
07:28 < JayDugger> Depending on their salary offer, it might mean a big pay cut.
07:28 < kanzure> http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/library-builds-a-hackerspace.html
07:29 < JayDugger> Good for that library!
07:29 < JayDugger> The first thing they make should be a cell phone jammer.
07:32 < JayDugger> Wow...and half-way intelligent comments on BB.
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07:46 < kanzure> the libraryspace should build a book scanner bot
07:46 < kanzure> it will ride around on the shelves, pull a book and scan it
07:46 < JayDugger> Right after the cell phone jammer, yes.
07:46 < kanzure> then it will incinerate the book with lasers
07:46 < JayDugger> Ha-ha!
07:47 < JayDugger> Lasers are good, flamethrowers are better!
07:47 < JayDugger> (You don't have to wear safety goggles with flamethrowers.)
07:48 < JayDugger> And another robot that goes up to random patrons and says "Sh!"
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08:26 < Utopiah> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/11/10/1353240/shanghai-government-proposes-100-community-hackerspaces
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08:59 < falmot_> http://ansistego.sf.net/ansi-mods.tgz
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15:56 < kanzure> what is thingdoc
15:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/prusajr/ThingDoc
15:57 < kanzure> hrmm
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18:39 < delinquentme> so of these disciplines: structural biology, biotechnology, cell biology, bioinformatics and systems biology
18:39 < delinquentme> which would the brains here regard as the best route to human life extension
18:40 < kanzure> o_O why are you categorizing things like this
18:40 < kanzure> the best route is asskicking
18:40 < kanzure> immortality or bust!
18:41 < delinquentme> lol
18:41 < delinquentme> that .. is
18:41 < delinquentme> apparent?
18:41 < delinquentme> lolol
18:50 < klafka> the best route is not going to be methodological but paradigmatic
18:51 < klafka> actually the 'best route' is going to be physics and industrial manufacturing really
18:51 < klafka> IMO
18:52 < epitron> delinquentme: a biological system is an integrated whole -- those are just knowledge divisions to make it easier for people to specialize... they're all important to life extension
18:52 < klafka> biology needs transformational hardware which will drive the ability to cheaply and quickly answer biological questions
18:52 < epitron> yep
18:52 < epitron> in other words, biotechnology -> bioinformatics -> cell biology & systems biology
18:52 < epitron> which feed back into bioinformatics
18:53 < klafka> for instance, a way to real time understand protein movement in cells, protein quantities in cells and fuck while we're wishing protein/RNA conformational states in cells
18:53 < klafka> on a mass scale
18:54 < klafka> another thing obviously would be a way to effectively and cheaply write DNA
18:54 < epitron> you know whats good at writing DNA?
18:54 < epitron> cells!
18:54 < klafka> heh
18:54 < epitron> we should hack bacteria to respond to print DNA like tickertape in response to flashing lights
18:54 < epitron> via rhodopsin implanted in the cell wall
18:55 < klafka> like the 'camera bacteria'
18:55 < epitron> what's that?
18:55 < epitron> nevermind, i googled :)
18:55 < klafka> there were some GE bacteria that basically acted like a camera, expose them to an image
18:56 < klafka> right
18:56 < epitron> that's kinda neat
18:56 < delinquentme> was an iGem project
18:56 < epitron> sounds pretty simple
18:56 < delinquentme> so PROGRAMING is part of it
18:56 < delinquentme> bc machine efficiency is a huge part of it
18:57 < joshcryer> bio is too hard for me to grasp :(
18:57 < epitron> programming what to make what machine efficient?
18:57 < delinquentme> the conceptual aspect is huge for someone to actually be able to bound through and mess with the comcepts of it
18:57 < epitron> joshcryer: not with THAT attitude!
18:57 < delinquentme> epitron, programming not only in applications of running shit like liquid handling
18:58 < delinquentme> but also in bioinformatics and even simple data processing
18:58 < epitron> programming the cell?
18:58 < delinquentme> that'd be hot.
18:58 < delinquentme> :D
18:58 < joshcryer> epitron, it's equivalent to alchemy, to me.
18:58 < delinquentme> right now the bio if fucking black magic to me
18:58 < delinquentme> ehhh well
18:58 < delinquentme> not black magic
18:58 < joshcryer> I saw that thing about the imaging bacteria, I think it was an ecoli strain.
18:58 < delinquentme> probs
18:59 < joshcryer> They didn't explain how they did it to any usable detail, that I saw (I didn't read any papers, if any were released, midn you).
18:59 < delinquentme> yeast is another good model organism to play with joshcryer
18:59 < delinquentme> joshcryer, more interesting is how to vector in proteins into differentiated cells in order to IPP them
18:59 < epitron> <delinquentme> epitron, programming not only in applications of running shit like liquid handling
18:59 < epitron> i still don't know what you're talking about :)
19:00 < delinquentme> making pictures with bacteria is novel but... there are more useful things
19:00 < delinquentme> epitron, so im a programmer turned sane
19:00 < delinquentme> thus im like " how can i save my ass asap "
19:00 < epitron> are you talking about programming software?
19:01 < epitron> microfluidic control systems?
19:01 < delinquentme> and so im outlining all the different diciplines involved with pushing life extension
19:01 < joshcryer> delinquentme, I was amused to learn that proteins can be separated from cells with a household detergent, then you layer on new cells that you've grown in a lab, and volia, you have a working organ or whatever with no immunosuppresant need.
19:01 < delinquentme> epitron, thats just what ive worked on
19:01 < epitron> outlining? more like scribbling in crayon
19:01 < delinquentme> epitron, ha
19:02 < delinquentme> so im saying that ... these are all the things which are worthwhile
19:02 < delinquentme> joshcryer, im not sure it was as simple as house hold detergent?
19:02 < joshcryer> AI IS THE FUTURE
19:02 < delinquentme> AI is part of it
19:03 < joshcryer> delinquentme, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_purification (sodium dodecyl sulfate)
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19:03 < joshcryer> I saw an episode of NOVA that discussed how they discovered it.
19:03 < joshcryer> They literally just brute forced it until they figured it out.
19:04 < delinquentme> you got a link for that?
19:04 < epitron> yeah, that sounds good :)
19:04 < joshcryer> Eh, it's been awhile, sorry. It was in the last 6 months to a year.
19:04 < joshcryer> Let me look then. :)
19:04 < epitron> danke!
19:06 < delinquentme> so i know we've stripped tracheas
19:06 < delinquentme> spelling? ^
19:06 < delinquentme> but i wasnt so sure about the process of stripping away the foreign material
19:07 < delinquentme> but rebuilding on the scaffolding sounds simple enough
19:07 < joshcryer> Ahh.
19:07 < delinquentme> put cells on stuff .. incubate stuff
19:07 < joshcryer> It wasn't NOVA, it was NOVA ScienceNow: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/can-we-live-forever.html
19:07 < delinquentme> joshcryer, you do know about organovo right? http://www.organovo.com/products/novogen-mmx-bioprinter
19:07 < joshcryer> delinquentme, the impression I got was that it works with all organs, they have hearts and lungs working so far, but nothing precludes it from working with all of them, as far as I understood.
19:08 < delinquentme> O_O;
19:08 < delinquentme> was this a human organ?
19:08 < delinquentme> dont they swap in pig hearts?
19:09 < delinquentme> im wanting to say thats been done before .. but the same immuno suppressant stuff is involved
19:09 < joshcryer> yes for the protein shell, but it's human cells for the structure
19:09 < joshcryer> They're working on cloning the protein shell.
19:11 < joshcryer> I am so tired of the low info content of shows these days. That whole 13 minute clip the relevant part is about 2 minutes. :(
19:11 < delinquentme> haha
19:11 < delinquentme> id fucking LOVE more sci education
19:12 < joshcryer> 6m40s is where they start explaining the protein framework of organs.
19:13 < delinquentme> JESUS ITS BEUAUTIFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
19:13 < delinquentme> LUNGS
19:13 < delinquentme> GROWN
19:13 < joshcryer> (the other stuff is just the dated ears on mice stuff)
19:13 < delinquentme> GOD DAMN HELL YES>
19:13 < joshcryer> Yeah, it's 5-10 years out, max
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19:17 < joshcryer> (and heart disease will be effectively cured, though expensively)
19:19 < delinquentme> my problem might be the fact that I want to do it all
19:20 < joshcryer> That is definitely a problem.
19:21 < delinquentme> machine learning observing bio simulations run in silico to then govern what should we break out into actual cell and chemical trials
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19:26 < delinquentme> whats up with the ear on the mouse
19:27 < delinquentme> wouldnt the mouse have immuno issues?
19:30 < delinquentme> commonly found in shampoo
19:30 < delinquentme> STFU
19:31 < joshcryer> the ear mouse thing is so old
19:32 < joshcryer> this whole stripping organs of cells thing and preserving the protein structure is awesome
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