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09:15 <@kanzure> genehacker: did you get quantumg?
09:17 < delinquentme> http://www.ebi.ac.uk/2can/disease/genes5.html
09:18 < delinquentme> really good breakdown of the mutations we're interested in when working with DNA
09:18 < delinquentme> kanz whats up with the iminst guys
09:18 < Mariu> what's up with them ?
09:18 < delinquentme> are there any in there who are doing big stuff?
09:18 <@kanzure> delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/gene_doping_for_sports_enhancement.png
09:18 <@kanzure> delinquentme: what's wrong with imminst? huh?
09:22 < delinquentme> kanzure, they're in the right direction but like
09:22 < delinquentme> wheres the traction
09:22 <@kanzure> the only thing imminst.org is good for is their nootropics forum
09:22 <@kanzure> they have a lot of experience
09:22 < delinquentme> ive spoken with two researchers on there
09:22 < delinquentme> ahhh
09:22 <@kanzure> http://drugstack.com/ is something i'm making
09:22 <@kanzure> not ready yet
09:22 < delinquentme> you know about that ewing guy right
09:23 < delinquentme> erwing or something i think is his name
09:23 <@kanzure> yeah, what about him
09:23 <@kanzure> duncan
09:23 <@kanzure> david ewing duncan <david@davidewingduncan.com>
09:23 <@kanzure> address: 490 Second Street, San Francisco, CA 94107
09:23 < delinquentme> i like his videos and his writing are qonderfully comprehensive
09:23 <@kanzure> office: 415-531-3940
09:23 <@kanzure> cell: 415-385-4153
09:23 < delinquentme> lol
09:23 < delinquentme> dont do that with mine oke :D
09:23 <@kanzure> SSN: 514-14-5617
09:24 <@kanzure> bank acct: 514257106147010
09:24 < Mariu> hahah
09:25 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i've been writing some phantomjs scrapers to download nootropics pricingi nformation from vendors
09:25 <@kanzure> all the noots sites look really old school
09:25 <@kanzure> like you're about to buy viagra or something
09:29 < delinquentme> ha!
09:29 < delinquentme> phantom js huh
09:29 < delinquentme> NOKO
09:29 < delinquentme> <3 that gem
09:29 <@kanzure> yeah.. all the scrapers are written in jquery
09:30 < delinquentme> save for its server side LIBXML issues
09:30 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/scraper.js.txt
09:30 < delinquentme> umm noko = roob
09:30 <@kanzure> yeah, i usually use noko, www::mechanize, lxml, beautifulsoup, xpath stuff..
09:30 <@kanzure> but i'm tired of that :)
09:30 < delinquentme> yeahhh!
09:30 < delinquentme> mechanize :D
09:30 <@kanzure> jquery/DOM access seems moer interesting
09:30 < delinquentme> OH so i got an email from the guys at smarterer
09:30 <@kanzure> smarterer?
09:30 < delinquentme> yeah!
09:31 < delinquentme> quantifiable way to say "im really good at this "
09:31 < delinquentme> i've got a 707 w jquery
09:31 < delinquentme> :D
09:31 <@kanzure> http://smarterer.com/ ?
09:31 < delinquentme> yar
09:31 <@kanzure> so.. it's just a testing thing? :/
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09:53 < delinquentme> its a quantifiable testing thing
09:53 < delinquentme> bc saying " im good at jquery because i've done it for 5 years "
09:53 < delinquentme> is almost a useless statement
09:54 < delinquentme> time in != skill out
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14:08 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3238673
14:08 <@kanzure> nodequery
14:08 <@kanzure> server-side access to client dom
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17:07 < ybit> so... i just got bored and started dodling in inkscape
17:07 < ybit> http://i.imgur.com/Mib6Q.png
17:12 < jrayhawk> make it a black sheep with a clerical collar and claim he really likes church
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17:18 < ybit> if i have time, i'll put him in some knight's armor
17:18 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Lambda_Calculus
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17:55 <@kanzure> uhh
17:55 <@kanzure> a beard detector: http://labs.radiantmachines.com/beard/
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18:11 < tacoburgler> hello
18:12 <@kanzure> hello tacoburgler
18:13 < tacoburgler> XD, cool, i've been looking for a room on transhumanism
18:26 < tacoburgler> i don't have anything to express at the moment, but i'm sure i will x)
18:41 < ybit> http://i.imgur.com/5222B.png
18:41 < ybit> i couldn't resist
18:41 < tacoburgler> cool
18:46 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
18:46 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/
18:46 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/
18:47 < tacoburgler> @kanzure: thank you x)
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18:59 < Mariu> nice, thanks kanzure
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19:13 < genehacker> Nah didn't get QuantumG
19:13 < genehacker> was going to ask him a question, then I found the answer
19:15 <@kanzure> he's qg@biodome.org and trent.waddington@gmail.com
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19:33 < jrayhawk> there is a sheep where i live that will stomp on the toes of and/or headbutt anyone who fails to pet it for too long
19:33 < jrayhawk> not sure how that relates to lambda calculus, but i thought i'd share
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19:41 < ybit> jrayhawk: heh
19:42 < ybit> apparently the community has already chosen a mascot
19:42 < ybit> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/attachments/20090401/9fb8fa05/haskell-mascot.jpg
19:42 < ybit> :\
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21:08 < jrayhawk> gross
21:09 < tacoburgler> Wow, some people are so diluted.
21:09 < tacoburgler> OK, so who here thinks Steve Jobs was a good perso.
21:09 < jrayhawk> define "good"
21:10 < tacoburgler> As in an alignment opposite to being drawn towards acts of evil such as sadism, narcissism & egomania
21:11 < jrayhawk> sociopathic, maybe, but none of those things
21:12 < jrayhawk> anyone with a strong value system winds up sacrificing empathy at some point
21:15 < jrayhawk> are you angry about his rise to rhetorical sainthood?
21:17 <@kanzure> huh, akira live action in 2013
21:17 <@kanzure> with a reasonable actor i guess
21:19 < jrayhawk> "Kristen Stewart as Kei"
21:20 < jrayhawk> Oh good, I was afraid I was going to be able to understand what was being said.
21:20 < jrayhawk> Just wouldn't be Akira if people were speaking coherent English.
21:21 <@kanzure> i hope it's not as bad as that dragonball movie
21:21 < tacoburgler> @jrayhawk: To be honest its more the response from Mac enthusiast who don't even know what Steve Jobs was about, or say illogical things like graphic design is better on a MAC.
21:23 < jrayhawk> What was Steve Jobs about?
21:23 < tacoburgler> Mine mine mine
21:23 < tacoburgler> Oh, wait you can have some too but only if you play my way.
21:24 < jrayhawk> Control is not the same as possession.
21:26 < jrayhawk> You are someone who resents those who would take choice away from you. That is a good and actually enviable position.
21:26 < jrayhawk> Unfortunately, most people in the first world have been trained to fear and resent choice.
21:27 < jrayhawk> Jobs has pushed a design philosophy that greatly limits decision trees, guiding the fearful to ends that the fearful would not otherwise have managed to get to.
21:28 < jrayhawk> There are many, many people who are, in effect, massively empowered by Apple and Steve Jobs' design philosophy.
21:28 < tacoburgler> yeah and most of them are narcisist or sadist
21:28 < tacoburgler> or a better way to put it not in the mindset towards open source, or linked data
21:30 < jrayhawk> I do not understand what you hope to accomplish by undermining the empowering philosophy rather than the debilitating circumstances.
21:33 < tacoburgler> His philosophy is flawed as I see it.
21:33 < tacoburgler> Or, thankfully I can say was.
21:35 < jrayhawk> Everyone's flawed, tacoburgler. You need to decouple the concepts of "suboptimal" and "bad".
21:36 < jrayhawk> What choice has Steve Jobs robbed *you* of?
21:36 < tacoburgler> OK, w/e. You may not be in the open source world, if you are I should not have to explain my stance.
21:36 < tacoburgler> It's more about what he tried to rob everyone of that matters.
21:37 < jrayhawk> Thinking your value system is applicable to everyone *is* narcissism.
21:37 < jrayhawk> What you've described so far is *not*.
21:38 < jrayhawk> Would you like to understand the cognitive mechanism behind NPD?
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21:41 <@kanzure> the doctor is in the house
21:41 <@kanzure> jrayhawk charges $275/hour, but i'll foot the bill this one time
21:41 <@kanzure> but only once
21:41 < joshcryer> tacoburgler, I'm not a fan of Steve Jobs so I can't defend him, but I saw an interesting thing on religion / consumerism that was pretty neat.
21:41 < joshcryer> I think it also can apply to OSS or the like, if not approached rationally.
21:42 < tacoburgler> W/E he was a monster, and a sociopath. There is evidence <--- from how he treated his employees to his children. To what kinds of technology he wanted to restrict and control.
21:42 < tacoburgler> Good intentions and ideals, a good person does not make.
21:42 < joshcryer> Again, I don't disagree.
21:43 < jrayhawk> Is being non-empathic a bad thing?
21:46 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: tacoburgler won't be able to understand what you're trying to lead up to, because he feels that the character flaw that debilitates people when presented with options is unacceptable (i would guess)
21:46 < jrayhawk> Yes, it's bad/worthless/nonexistent/beyond consideration
21:47 < jrayhawk> which all flows from "suboptimal"
21:47 <@kanzure> what? no, i'm suggesting that he thinks that that 'character flaw' is bad design
21:47 < jrayhawk> tacoburgler: please read http://piny.be/jrayhawk/notes/intellectual_maladaptation/
21:48 < tacoburgler> Well Hitler saved some bridges, shops and even some Jewish people from being killed.
21:48 < tacoburgler> I would still consider him Chaotic Evil.
21:48 <@kanzure> of course, people don't really get to pick their brain architecture or psychological makeup to the extent that we'd like to eventually get to
21:50 < joshcryer> Could we speak English please? :(
21:51 <@kanzure> joshcryer: what would you say the current value is on the incomprehensibility index?
21:52 < joshcryer> kanzure, .9
21:52 < tacoburgler> @kanzure: yeah a snake is a snake, but we as humans are bizzare creatures who can go against our own nature.
21:52 < tacoburgler> *+we are
21:52 < jrayhawk> What is human nature?
21:53 < jrayhawk> The only thing I've been able to figure is that it's human nature to diversify.
21:53 < joshcryer> Has QG been back here or did he stay pissy about that troll comment?
21:53 < jrayhawk> I think he showed up briefly to post a link to something.
21:53 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, that's a quality of life, imho.
21:54 < joshcryer> Bummrt.
21:54 <@kanzure> he's still on irc, as far as i can tell
21:54 <@kanzure> just, not in here
21:54 < joshcryer> Yeah, I'm in #space, I saw 'em, just wondering if he was still in to H+.
22:00 < tacoburgler> Hey any of you know about organ printing x)?
22:01 < tacoburgler> i will shoot myself if nobody in this room does x{, being a transhumanism room and all
22:03 < tacoburgler> really?
22:03 < joshcryer> Wait 24 hours for someone to respond that they do?
22:03 < joshcryer> Typically if someone doesn't know stuff they tend to STFU, as it should be.
22:03 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: oh oh
22:04 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: you're gonna love this
22:04 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_IQ_society
22:04 <@kanzure> hahahah
22:04 < tacoburgler> lol, that is one way to respond, another is inquisitiveness
22:04 < joshcryer> That's new to you kanzure?
22:04 < tacoburgler> besides i'm just ADD on a response
22:04 <@kanzure> joshcryer: yeah, i didn't know it gets its very own wikipedia article
22:04 < tacoburgler> if you don't know about this well, it just makes me sad face x{
22:04 < joshcryer> kanzure, ahh, there are a few of them, actually.
22:04 < tacoburgler> www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DhBLEhdzk
22:05 < joshcryer> kanzure, I contemplated learning how to beat the IQ test to basically pretend I was smarter than I was, and then blow the whole thing up in their face, but I got bored of thinking of it after 10 minutes (because I am actually stupid, etc).
22:05 <@kanzure> joshcryer: i have a very low opinion of people who take stock in iq tests
22:06 < tacoburgler> OK, we can print organs...
22:06 <@kanzure> well, actually, let me clarify
22:06 < tacoburgler> This is not awesomeness to anyone x{
22:06 <@kanzure> i have a very low opinion of people who take stock in iq society /based on experiences with these people/
22:06 < joshcryer> tacoburgler, bs, read the logs, I talked about organ cloning just the other day (about a week back).
22:06 <@kanzure> i have a very low opinion of the opinion of holding iq societies or high iq in high regard, in general
22:06 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: it's old news to us, are you working on a tissue printer?
22:07 <@kanzure> gotta get the tissue printers working first,
22:07 <@kanzure> then we can do stem cell matrices to guide the growth into developed organs and various chambers
22:07 <@kanzure> but you have to start somewhere, dude
22:07 < joshcryer> I'm just pissed that IQ societies have yet to produce some sort of Garet Lisi inspired utopia Galt's Gulch-esque scientific society.
22:07 < joshcryer> They're clearly wasting their 'potential.'
22:07 <@kanzure> joshcryer: they are busy playing very important chess tournaments
22:08 < joshcryer> kanzure, hahah :)
22:08 < jrayhawk> Well, high IQ societies are much like the olympics: selecting for a narrow parameter actually makes you fairly useless for everything else.
22:08 < jrayhawk> narrow set of parameters
22:09 < jrayhawk> And, of course, olympians are also "wasting" their "potential" in some broader set of value systems.
22:09 < tacoburgler> @kanzure: no
22:10 < tacoburgler> Let me specify, we can & have printed working organs, which are now in use in peoples bodies. 4+years now
22:10 < tacoburgler> It's not in the works, its not in plans, its now.
22:10 < tacoburgler> Just like nanolithography and all the other wonderful things besides Justin Bieber nobody knows about.
22:10 < jrayhawk> the olympics would be a lot cooler without the medical restrictions
22:10 < tacoburgler> ROFL
22:11 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: true, but you're incapable of building those printers
22:11 <@kanzure> so you should get started on building those
22:11 < joshcryer> Intelligence tends to be the one distinguishing factor of us from the rest of the animal kingdom, so I hope I'm not overstepping by thinking that they could be used to build awesomeness if you got the right people in the same room together.
22:11 < joshcryer> Think Maker Faire on an epic scale, etc.
22:12 <@kanzure> joshcryer: i think you probably don't have a definition of intelligence
22:12 <@kanzure> that's a banned word in here, last i checked
22:12 <@kanzure> ok i just checked with myself, yep it's banned
22:12 <@kanzure> YOU WILL AGREE TO MY ARBITRARY RULES
22:12 < jrayhawk> Well, IQ tests tend to be about *rapid* cognition, rather than, say, *sophisticated* cognition.
22:12 < jrayhawk> so it's not clear what those people would actually be good for, given that we already have computers.
22:12 < joshcryer> kanzure, that's good because I don't consider myself very.
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22:13 <@kanzure> oh wait, did i ban consciousness or intelligence?
22:13 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, would I be wrong in assuming that most of them at least can code?
22:13 <@kanzure> aren't they both scams? let's stick with that
22:13 < joshcryer> I think banning consciousness is more reasonable.
22:14 < tacoburgler> @kanzure: was not my point though lol?
22:14 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: you're welcome to sit around eyehumping cool tech, but that doesn't really help me
22:14 < jrayhawk> Mensa et al *also* selects for self-entitlement and self-aggrandizement traits, so, once again, even if they could code, I'm not entirely sure we're losing anything important in the process of letting them exist!
22:15 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, haha
22:15 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: can you show how they select for self-entitlement
22:15 < tacoburgler> :|, well your being viscious
22:15 <@kanzure> i guess by joining mensa itself?
22:15 < jrayhawk> No, I'm just being pithy.
22:16 < tacoburgler> i meant @kanzure: I started that conversation, due to it being something i'm into & on topic for this room x{
22:16 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: do you need help drawing up schematics? what's the deal man
22:17 < tacoburgler> No, lol. Wow, but I can tell you did not watch the video. Even if I did build one, I would need biogel.
22:17 < tacoburgler> Printing organs is amazing and a true feat of humanity. Crazy me thought it would be something good to discuss.
22:17 <@kanzure> maybe you should consider building something slightly similar, without 'biogel'
22:17 < tacoburgler> ...
22:17 < jrayhawk> kanzure: your transhumanism video site should be in the topic
22:17 < tacoburgler> It's called a OBJ, or 3D printer
22:18 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: okay, so use a reprap http://reprap.org/
22:18 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: jordan in here was building one for tissue printing, which he was planning to release once his paper gets accepted into nature
22:18 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
22:18 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i should do something with that site :/
22:18 < jrayhawk> a lot of things should be a lot of things :(
22:19 < tacoburgler> ty, know about the reprap, was going go in on building one with a friend untill he has to pay for data recovery.
22:19 < tacoburgler> &OMG, it has been done
22:19 < tacoburgler> In, the present.
22:19 <@kanzure> are you a tech cheerleader?
22:19 < tacoburgler> There is a guy with a 3d printed heart beating currently in his chest.
22:20 < tacoburgler> Yeah, thats why i'm in this room. I'm also a pro-human tech cheerleader.
22:20 <@kanzure> on a scale of 1(disagree) to 10(agree), is your purpose being in here (A) "OMG SO MANY THINGS EXIST", and (B) "HEY HOW DO I DO THIS"
22:21 < tacoburgler> none of the above, talk to people of like mind on such issues as transhumanism, don't try and put me in your box of scale :p
22:21 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: what do i do
22:21 < tacoburgler> If I had answered that directly I would say 5 anyways.
22:21 <@kanzure> to which one?
22:22 < jrayhawk> eh, he hasn't declared us all worthless yet, just me
22:22 < jrayhawk> so there's still hope
22:22 < tacoburgler> Well, I generally don't like people, but a person is easier to get to know.
22:22 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: how old are you, btw?
22:22 < tacoburgler> 27, n/s why it is relevant as I know people 2x my age with far less life experience
22:23 <@kanzure> eh you're sorta old actually
22:23 < jrayhawk> kanzure's just desperate to find someone younger than him so he can yell at them to get off his lawn
22:23 <@kanzure> i'm just trying to figure out why i am having such a problem communicating with you
22:23 <@kanzure> you're welcome to hang out here and stuff, but
22:24 <@kanzure> the majority of us are very much against kurzweilian "let's watch what happens" attitudes
22:24 < tacoburgler> @kanzure: :) well i have no issue with you other than I don't understand your directive for saying the things you have so far.
22:24 <@kanzure> you're in a transhumanist channel, but you don't seem to be interested in building transhumanist technology
22:25 < tacoburgler> When did I state that?
22:25 <@kanzure> you're responses earlier generally indicated that you're more interested in oggling cool tech news
22:25 < tacoburgler> I tried to bring up a conversation about organ printing and how that awesome technology is in use.
22:25 < tacoburgler> Thats your opinion of my statement, luckily you don't dicate my thought, yes lol?
22:26 < tacoburgler> *dictate
22:26 < tacoburgler> That may be why you would bring up a piece of technology in conversatio, but the same does not hold true to me.
22:26 < tacoburgler> Since I need to be crystal clear, organ printing speaks directly to life extension.
22:27 < tacoburgler> Which, tell me if I'm wrong is at the core of many parts of transhumanism.
22:27 <@kanzure> okay, so i'm still hearing "i am interested in talking about all this cool news"
22:27 < tacoburgler> Yeah, and you seem interested in arguing.
22:27 < tacoburgler> And, how does 1. topic suddenly all this cool news.
22:27 < joshcryer> Tacoburgler, do you have a link to this guy with the 3D printed heart beating in his chest?
22:28 < joshcryer> Because that's hard for me to believe, very hard.
22:28 <@kanzure> it was just myocardial tissue, i think
22:28 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: maybe you should read the logs
22:28 <@kanzure> (i don't mean from today)
22:28 < tacoburgler>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DhBLEhdzk
22:28 < tacoburgler> i'll try and find that article
22:29  * jrayhawk reads logs
22:29 < tacoburgler> it was on the news so, that specific one on the guys heart i have to look for
22:29  * jrayhawk finds sixty pages of kanzure posting tech news links
22:29 < tacoburgler> if you watched the video i just posted you know it to be a fact
22:30 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: news isn't inherently bad,
22:30 <@kanzure> i'm just disappointed i guess
22:30 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: do you work in a lab?
22:31 <@kanzure> checking for curl/curl.h in /opt/local/include,/opt/local/include/curl,/usr/include/curl,/usr/include,/usr/include/curl,/usr/local/include/curl... no
22:31 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i have libcurl3 installed, am i doing something wrong?
22:32 < tacoburgler> no but i'm very into bio-engineering, accessibility and user-centric design
22:32 < joshcryer> tacoburgler, this needs to be able to print the protein structure, as far as I can tell he's printing slabs of meat, which is interesting, but hardly close to what you're envisioning.
22:32 < jrayhawk> haha discovery channel crap sure is unwatchable
22:32 <@kanzure> joshcryer: why would you need to print proteins to grow tissue and organ layers?
22:33 < tacoburgler> Well its in use, so.
22:33 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: you're "into" bioengineering.. so you're an engineer?
22:33 < joshcryer> kanzure, because they build the structure on which the cells inherent their behavior. A muscle cell is not particularly specialized, the proteins do that.
22:33 < tacoburgler> I'm a Multimedia Designer, everything is my field.
22:33 <@kanzure> joshcryer: oops, i misread you
22:34 <@kanzure> joshcryer: i thought you meant "print an individual protein", like by amino acids
22:34 < tacoburgler> IE: as it applies to my current dealings
22:34 <@kanzure> joshcryer: but clearly you mean "place" proteins, i.e. printing..
22:34 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: okay, you make sense to me now
22:34 <@kanzure> i just have to calibrate myself to be speaking to a 'multimedia designer'
22:35 < jrayhawk> I hear multimedia design is way easier on Macs, guys!
22:35 < tacoburgler> yeah, and i should calibrate myself to somebody who speaks like a person also name Richard
22:35 < joshcryer> kanzure, yeah, but not all proteins are the same, so it'd have to be able to know which to place where, because there are millions of specialized proteins.
22:35 <@kanzure> joshcryer: there's various 'programs' you can cause to occur, iirc
22:35 < tacoburgler> @jrayhawk: I assume you heard that from a Mac person
22:36 < tacoburgler> As, I run Zbrush, 3DSMax, Reason, ETC ETC, and never wanted or need for a MAC since I was 7
22:36 < jrayhawk> heehee
22:36 <@kanzure> 3dsmax is pretty old school these days
22:36 <@kanzure> is it even still supported by autodesk
22:36 < joshcryer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteomics
22:36 < tacoburgler> Wow, your some kinda jerk.
22:36 < tacoburgler> Yes, it is fully supported.
22:36 <@kanzure> didn't autodesk dump it for maya
22:37 < tacoburgler> no, and you have no grounds to state they did
22:37 < tacoburgler> They release a new version of 3DSMax 2012
22:37 <@kanzure> hmm
22:37 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: welp, my communication difficulties have been partially explained
22:37 <@kanzure> erm, not by the software thing heh
22:37 < tacoburgler> You just seem narrow minded based on everything that has occured.
22:38 < joshcryer> Stop using dirt capitalist closed source filth!
22:38 < tacoburgler> You say things like haven't they stopped supporting 3DSMax which obviously was either to get a rise out of me, troll, or just not have the conversation go productively.
22:38 < tacoburgler> As it was not based in fact or a valid opinion.
22:38 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: honestly i haven't used 3dsmax in like 10 years, give me a break
22:39 < tacoburgler> Well, i'm sure you know what a leading statement is.
22:39 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I haven't met a 3dsmax user in a *looong* time.
22:39 < jrayhawk> It's all Solidworks and CATIA nowadays
22:39 < tacoburgler> Well thats funny, I've never met  Zbrush user, ever. Does that mean they don't exists?
22:39 < tacoburgler> Oh, yeah pffft.
22:40 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: you just broke a lot of things
22:40 <@kanzure> 3dsmax isn't the same class of software
22:40 <@kanzure> by class i mean function
22:40 < jrayhawk> Oh, 3dsmax is all gaming crap, isn't it?
22:40 < joshcryer> 3ds Max is still popular among the realistic modeling community, but mainly I believe due to the hegmony they created.
22:40 < tacoburgler> LOL, that is a baseless statement
22:40 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: it's a mesh editor
22:40 < tacoburgler> Your making statements that are questions.
22:40 < tacoburgler> It's also a nurbs editor
22:40 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, yeah, there are big communities revolving around it.
22:41 < joshcryer> Which Blender has yet to fully crack. :(
22:41 < tacoburgler> You have no idea what you two are talking about, other than many using it in highschool or something.
22:41 <@kanzure> blender has nurbs support, but not in the way that matters to CAD
22:41 < jrayhawk> I guess this would explain why Blender also never appealed to me.
22:41 < tacoburgler> If you knew anything you certainly would not have said Solidworks as yeah thats mostly CAD, you would have brought up Zbrush or 3DCoat, Modo even
22:41 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: i'm not jrayhawk
22:41 < joshcryer> What's with the derision.
22:42 <@kanzure> joshcryer: i think he's upset we're not all multimedia users
22:42 < jrayhawk> heehee
22:42 < tacoburgler> You guys are talking alot but not saying much. So far every response has been close to negative.
22:42 <@kanzure> wait, social media
22:42 < tacoburgler> Nor have I ever asked you to be one.
22:42 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: yes, but there's communication difficulties that occur
22:42 <@kanzure> for instance! you think we're all being negative
22:42 <@kanzure> that's a huge red flag right there
22:42 < tacoburgler> No i think you two are
22:42 < joshcryer> tacoburgler, go watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/can-we-live-forever.html click the "replacing body parts" bit on the right, that's the route we're taking, since proteins are going to be a pain to crack for the foreseeable future.
22:43 < joshcryer> s/right/left
22:43 <@kanzure> joshcryer: you can do cell differentiation through defined protein factors, it's not that big of a deal
22:43 < tacoburgler> Not everything can be printed now, but its a great leap.
22:44 < tacoburgler> I just thought it was interesting, especiall in the areas of life extension. Didn't know I would told I was a technology oogler for doing so :P.
22:44 < joshcryer> kanzure, let me know when they got the printer ready.
22:45 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: again, you're welcome to +1 things or whatever or click 'like'
22:45 <@kanzure> and hang out here and stuff
22:45 < tacoburgler> New topic x)
22:45 <@kanzure> would you be more interested in building those things instead of reading about them?
22:46 < tacoburgler> Of course
22:46 < tacoburgler> I also want to build a multiline refreshable braille display, but i have other endevours
22:47 < joshcryer> Those exist.
22:47 < joshcryer> Make stuff that doesn't exist yet.
22:47 < tacoburgler> Yeah, but they are working on some really cool ones.
22:48 < tacoburgler> LOL, see I really like the way your talking to me. "Make stuff that doesn't exist yet."
22:48 <@kanzure> tacoburgler: these guys are building an open hardware version http://www.bristolbrailletechnology.com/
22:48 < tacoburgler> Very clear ego problem.
22:48 < tacoburgler> I've seen that, I like it. I like the brailkeyboard version that has the single line display pretty well.
22:49 < tacoburgler> aria i believe is the one
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22:50 < tacoburgler> my artifice of web development takes me into those kinds of areas all the time
22:51 < tacoburgler> wearabraille: is the future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_QWtUFFAFQ
22:51 < tacoburgler> of that area
22:51 <@kanzure> you do web dev?
22:51 < tacoburgler> or somethign like it
22:52 < tacoburgler> yeah i'm a multimedia designer, i learn and do whatever compliments the others, which is all things forme
22:52 < tacoburgler> *for me
22:52 <@kanzure> what's your rate
22:52 < tacoburgler> $25hr
22:52 <@kanzure> per hour right?
22:52 <@kanzure> can you show me some shit you've done?
22:52 <@kanzure> in particular for web design
22:52 < tacoburgler> well recently www.cafe-lol.com
22:53 < joshcryer> Aptly named.
22:53 <@kanzure> mantis studios?
22:53 < tacoburgler> yeah lena's on lincoln
22:53 < tacoburgler> it is aptly named
22:53 <@kanzure> are you armando?
22:53 < tacoburgler> yep
22:53 < tacoburgler> www.mantis.me/adcornaglia
22:53 < tacoburgler> i'm working on a CV theme right now for wordpress
22:53 < jrayhawk> electrotactile stimulus arrays such as the brainport are also a pretty cool means of conveying information to the blind
22:53 <@kanzure> oh my god you use marquee
22:54 <@kanzure> oh, nope
22:54 < tacoburgler> ? that can mean like 3 things to me
22:54 <@kanzure> webticker_lib.js
22:54 < jrayhawk> marquee? whatever kanzure offers you, I will DOUBLE
22:54 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: http://www.mantis.me/egg/
22:54 < tacoburgler> are you talking about my temp ascii entrance / splash page?
22:55 < tacoburgler> @ /egg/ is where the main part of the site is being developed. But as I as usually am doing most of the work, its got to set until i finish this CV wordpress theme
22:55 <@kanzure> k cool, you available for 60 hours/week?
22:56 < tacoburgler> Yeah x), depending.
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22:57 < tacoburgler> I want to know how big the bear is though, before I decide to fight it ;).
22:57 <@kanzure> it's more like an octopus
22:57 < tacoburgler> OK, shoot.
22:57 <@kanzure> not now, later
22:58 < jrayhawk> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/nop-nop-nop-nop-nop my marquees are better than everyone else's marquees
22:58 < tacoburgler> OK, i'm sure you will see me again.
22:59 < tacoburgler> ooooooooh
22:59 < tacoburgler> you guys mean my horizontal posts system
22:59 < tacoburgler> can i say the b* word in this room?
23:00 < tacoburgler> it was a bieber to get working how i wanted.
23:01 < tacoburgler> lol @ http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/nop-nop-nop-nop-nop
23:01 < tacoburgler> n/2 if i understand the last two panels though
23:02 < tacoburgler> wow did i just do that
23:02 < tacoburgler> n/s
23:02 < tacoburgler> thats as bad as when i typed th3
23:02 < tacoburgler> can't blame that on dyslexia
23:05 < jrayhawk> oh hey, browsers support SVG, now. I could make *pathed* marquees.
23:05 < jrayhawk> whole new dimensions of tastelessness yet to be conquered!
23:06 < tacoburgler> hmm hey chickn
23:07 < tacoburgler> looks fine in both my IE & FF & Chrome @ 1280x720 & 1024x768
23:07 < tacoburgler> maybe you have a toolbar enabled in IE thats throwing things off?
23:09 < tacoburgler> omg, srry wrong room !x|
23:12 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: but really, what's wrong with libcurl installation
23:13 <@kanzure> checking for curl/curl.h in /opt/local/include,/opt/local/include/curl,/usr/include/curl,/usr/include,/usr/include/curl,/usr/local/include/curl... no
23:13 <@kanzure> i have libcurl3 installed
23:16 < jrayhawk> -dev
23:16 < tacoburgler> liburl3-openssl-dev or something of the sort ?
23:16 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: ah you were right
23:17 < jrayhawk> though you'll probably beforced to upgrade to 4, of course
23:18 <@kanzure> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory
23:18 < jrayhawk> On gnusha?
23:19 <@kanzure> no :(
23:20 < tacoburgler> Onimusha
23:21 < jrayhawk> AFAIK dpkg itself doesn't have any particularly insane memory limits, so you're probably legitimately running out of memory.
23:21 < jrayhawk> apt sure does, though
23:21 < tacoburgler> well i've been up for 24+ hours now, going to go play some KF, interesting conversations so far, good luck on your libcurl3 problem.
23:21 < tacoburgler> i got the room fav'd
23:21 < tacoburgler> night & bye
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23:22 < jrayhawk> If you don't have a swap partition, there are some swapfile managers
23:22 <@kanzure> weird, i closed meetlog.txt and it works
23:22 <@kanzure> i guess vim eats a lot with a 3 MB file open
23:23 < jrayhawk> swapspace is the supported one, i guess
23:23 <@kanzure> i should probably fix that.
23:23 < joshcryer> Is it egotistical to want people to make stuff that doesn't exist? I think it's humble since I can't think of non-existing things I can make.
23:23 <@kanzure> joshcryer: no, you're fine
23:23 < joshcryer> I was going to make this over the winter, but someone beat me to it: http://en.spaceengine.org/
23:24 <@kanzure> eh, it's windows only
23:24 <@kanzure> should be webgl instead
23:24 <@kanzure> and a 400 MB download is lame
23:25 <@kanzure> damn russians
23:27 < joshcryer> Heh, I didn't even notice the download. Once I saw that someone did it I was too depressed to care.
23:27 < joshcryer> (I actually put some bit of effort in the design phase of what I wanted to accomplish, it's not the same thing but it's close enough to demoralize me, etc)
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23:29 < joshcryer> It appears to be so big because he includes the known star catalogs, which can be hefty (ever add them to Celestia you'd know what I mean).
23:36 < joshcryer> Oh, here's something I meant to mention. SETI has been doing weekly talks on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/setiinstitute
23:36 < joshcryer> Many may be uninteresting to H+, but still, it's a nice thing to watch if you need a break.
23:56 <@kanzure> http://capitalismplusplus.blogspot.com/2011/07/work-doesnt-work.html
23:56 <@kanzure> hrmm
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