--- Log opened Sun Dec 18 00:00:33 2011 00:12 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- fenn_ [~fenn@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16 -!- fenn [~fenn@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23 < strangewarp> Belatedly... there has been some transhumanist sentiment in small slices of the furry community over the years. At its best, it was entirely self-aware and creative, and led to lovely inspired storytelling in places like Puzzlebox (my username is an homage to part of that place), which sadly has fallen off the internet largely un-archived.. 00:43 < sylph_mako> http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Puzzlebox_MUCK 00:43 < sylph_mako> strangewarp smells like someone I know. I'm pretty sure they're not him. We'll see. 00:46 < strangewarp> I'm not. I'm just a guy who arrived to the party late, and already burned out. : 00:46 < strangewarp> :P 00:46 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-232.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-232.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:01 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:03 < strangewarp> To clarify: I stumbled over that MUCK's wiki (now offline) in 2008 or so, at about the same time I was reading through the posts on OvercomingBias that would spark LessWrong (I know, I know, I've come to dislike their lack of actionable engineering or coherent plans for such), and the two served as representations of conflicting impulses while I was waking up intellectually. 01:21 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:39 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 01:40 < Mariu> hey, JayDugger 01:40 < Mariu> how's it going ? 01:40 < JayDugger> All well enough. 01:41 < JayDugger> No real progress on projects of interest here, but otherwise life goes well. 01:41 < Mariu> Cool, nice to hear that. 02:42 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-100-115.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:24 -!- CapNemo [u1995@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybxpzjnaqvimhmrv] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23 -!- _sol_ [Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:04 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:29 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-67-55.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35 -!- Lucas_ [18bfe547@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.191.229.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:48 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-100-115.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-100-115.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:36 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 11:47 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-100-115.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 < Lucas_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx72xt0utm4 11:48 -!- Lucas_ [18bfe547@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.191.229.71] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:18 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:32 < delinquentme> OMG MISSED YEW AW 13:32 < delinquentme> <3 13:39 < sylph_mako> ..? 13:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-232.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 14:02 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-232.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-100-115.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:21 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:51 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-100-115.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:24 < ybit> hi delinquentme, sylph_mako 15:25 < ybit> hope everyone here is doing well, been awhile since i've talked with anyone 15:25 < sylph_mako> I just hung up a yule bow ^ ^ 15:26 < sylph_mako> I wish a joyous yuletide festival from to you all. 15:26 < ybit> gracias y back to you 15:27 < delinquentme> ^_^ 15:27 * ybit ^5s delinquentme 15:34 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:35 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-27-249.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:38 -!- ybit [~ybit@131.252.130.248] has quit [Changing host] 15:38 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:40 < sylph_mako> Wait a second. Yule is a winter celebration. 15:40 < sylph_mako> I live in the southern hemisphere. 15:40 < sylph_mako> It's summer. 15:45 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:57 < delinquentme> sylph_mako, (christmas_tree)^-1 16:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-67-55.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-67-55.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: h+] 17:36 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-110-91.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- mrtrousers [57ddb117@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.221.177.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 < mrtrousers> Hello 18:11 < mrtrousers> Is there a diy way to sequence genome? 18:14 < kanzure> how diy do you want to do it 18:14 < kanzure> you can buy a dna sequencing machine 18:14 < kanzure> or you can build your own dna sequencing machine 18:14 < kanzure> or you can manually write down fluorescent colors as you see them pass by under a microscope.. 18:19 < klafka1> lol 18:30 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-67-55.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:34 < mrtrousers> So to lets say.. To sequence your own genome you either pay to get it done or buy a sequencer machine? 18:34 < kanzure> well, it depends on how much coverage you want 18:35 < kanzure> to a certain extent it's more efficient to just use 23andme and get a number of snps and apply that against a knonw-good genome 18:35 < kanzure> but! getting your own dna sequencer opens up a lot of other possible projects 18:36 < mrtrousers> What is 23andme? How much are sequencers running for? Any open source project on it? 18:36 < kanzure> there's at least one open source sequencer but i think its material cost is 20k 18:37 < kanzure> working, used dna sequencers from 10 years ago go for maybe 12-15k 18:37 < kanzure> new dna sequencers will cost 50k-1200k 18:38 < klafka1> 50k would be pretty cheap 18:38 < klafka1> what would that be? 18:38 < kanzure> i am making shit up 18:38 < klafka1> oh 18:38 < klafka1> lmao 18:38 < kanzure> i know that some "top of the line" models go for 700k 18:38 < klafka1> yeah 18:38 < klafka1> exactly 18:38 < kanzure> but i'm pretty sure there's some <100k models 18:38 < mrtrousers> Out of my budget.. Theres got to be a cheaper way to do it.. 18:38 < klafka1> the church one is like 150k~ 18:38 < klafka1> mrtrousers you can pay someone 18:38 < klafka1> what is it like 10k? 18:38 < kanzure> mrtrousers: you can just send in samples to someone 18:38 < klafka1> or so 18:38 < klafka1> still 18:38 < mrtrousers> Yup.. 18:38 < kanzure> i haven't seen an order form for pgp 18:39 < kanzure> does it actually exist yet? 18:39 < klafka1> no idea 18:39 < klafka1> that's what i've heard 18:39 < kanzure> i know they have sequenced some people, but they could have just outsourced that to knome or something 18:39 < kanzure> when are you going to be in sf? 18:39 < klafka1> kanzure no i'm talking about their machines 18:39 < klafka1> tomorrow 18:39 < kanzure> ok i'm in sf tomorrow 18:39 < kanzure> what time? 18:40 < klafka1> polonator 18:40 < klafka1> umm i think i get in around 5pm 18:40 < kanzure> ah i'll be gone before then 18:40 < klafka1> ah 18:40 < kanzure> you have a place to stay? 18:40 < klafka1> the company is putting me up at a hotel 18:40 < mrtrousers> By the way.. Going around the world sequencing diferent organism genomes could be made into a job? 18:40 < kanzure> you can take my place at langton labs (where fenn sleeps) 18:41 < klafka1> oh can i stay tehre for a few months? 18:41 < klafka1> :P 18:41 < kanzure> mrtrousers: sure... check out beijing genomics institute 18:41 < kanzure> klafka1: yeah, i think they have some rooms open for rent 18:41 < klafka1> oooooh 18:41 < klafka1> really? 18:41 < klafka1> fenn_ get in here 18:41 < kanzure> pretty chill place too 18:41 < klafka1> tell me about your magic land 18:41 -!- Torretoter [~Riencam@202.80.45.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:41 < kanzure> fenn is currently ignoring irc i think 18:41 < klafka1> i wanna stay some place cheap and hopefully near caltrain if i get this job 18:42 < kanzure> this is near bart- look it up on google maps ("langton labs") 18:42 < klafka1> for like a month or two then get an apt and have the gf move out 18:42 < kanzure> are they in sf? 18:42 < mrtrousers> kanzure: interesting.. 18:42 < klafka1> menlo park 18:42 < kanzure> ah lame.. langton might not be best then 18:43 < klafka1> if it's cheap it'll work 18:43 < klafka1> maybe 18:43 < kanzure> yeah i'll pester fenn to get online in a bit 18:43 < kanzure> try pm'ing him.. 18:43 < klafka1> ok 18:44 < klafka1> sweet 18:44 < mrtrousers> kanzure: So lets say one sequences the genome for diferent organisms.. How do you monetize it? 18:44 < klafka1> all kinds of ways 18:44 < kanzure> uhh are you broke 18:44 < klafka1> me? 18:44 < kanzure> no 18:44 < klafka1> oh 18:44 < klafka1> heh 18:45 < klafka1> mrtrousers you don't make money so much from the sequencing 18:45 < kanzure> it's just a little unusual or someone to have to monetize a genome 18:45 < kanzure> *for someone to have to monetize a genome 18:45 < klafka1> typically places that sequence are either gov/grant funded or they do consulting work or they do lab work for hire 18:45 < klafka1> e.g. they have a big ass sequencing lab and other people pay them to sequence shit for them 18:45 < mrtrousers> You travel the world seguencing rare genomes and monetizing so you can keep doing it.. 18:46 < mrtrousers> Im broke too 18:46 < klafka1> well 18:46 < klafka1> if you're craig venter 18:46 < klafka1> and own a company 18:46 < klafka1> and are rich 18:46 < klafka1> then you can do that 18:47 < mrtrousers> Did Craig Venter hit something interesting on that sailing expedition? 18:48 < kanzure> he published a few papers 18:48 < kanzure> and usually you pay a bucketload to publish a paper (unfortunately) 18:49 < klafka1> yeah 18:49 < klafka1> like 3-4k 18:49 < kanzure> klafka1: my last paper was 2k per coauthor 18:49 < kanzure> there were 11 coauthors 18:49 < klafka1> wtf 18:49 < mrtrousers> People pay to publish a paper? Really? 18:49 < klafka1> kanzure it's usually a per page cost i thought 18:49 < kanzure> mrtrousers: it's all kinds of fucked up 18:49 < kanzure> klafka1: yeah there was that too 18:49 < klafka1> kanzure it's preferable to the alternative 18:49 < klafka1> honestly 18:49 < klafka1> the current alternative 18:49 < kanzure> this was the "open access fee" 18:50 < klafka1> i maintain it's still preferable to the alternative currently 18:52 < mrtrousers> Is there a database of currently sequenced organisms, people, etc.. ? 18:52 < klafka1> sure 18:52 < klafka1> check out pubmed.com 18:52 < klafka1> fucking flac 18:52 < kanzure> mrtrousers: yes you can download genomes via ftp on ncbi 18:53 < mrtrousers> cool 18:53 < mrtrousers> What do you think of biobricks? Do you work with the registry of standarized parts? 18:54 < kanzure> biobricks is a nice concept but there's lots of edge cases that you run into 18:54 < kanzure> plus, i don't think they are mailing biobrick books to non-institutions at the moment 18:54 < klafka1> i haven't looked into synthetic biology 18:54 < klafka1> however i think that there are going to be lots of emergent phenomenon and epiphenomenon that occur when you try and combine a lot of them 18:55 < mrtrousers> ... 18:55 < kanzure> like "taking a random metabolic network from one organism and into another organism" might have conflicting proteomes and shit 18:55 < mrtrousers> So when you combine the parts to make more complex devices.. It wont work? 18:55 < klafka1> yes 18:55 < kanzure> or "other shit breaks" 18:55 < klafka1> yeah that's slightly more accurate 18:55 < kanzure> and then you're debugging for three or four years.. 18:56 < klafka1> the things may do what you want, but they may do OTHER shit that you have no idea about 18:56 < mrtrousers> Im trying to design a biosensor from existin devices.. 18:56 < kanzure> go for it 18:56 < klafka1> mrtrousers you have to remember that biological 'programming' isn't like regular programming, the program is also data is also physical 18:56 < kanzure> what are ou sensing? 18:56 < kanzure> *you 18:57 < mrtrousers> Id like to sens air quality and pollutants from oil, gas, chemicals would trigger a change of colour or phosphorescent light.. I think e. choli chassis.. 18:58 < kanzure> sounds like you should just express some surface protein or other object that can bind to air pollutants non-selectively 18:58 < kanzure> the problem with non-selectively.. 18:59 < mrtrousers> is.. 18:59 < kanzure> uh? it's non-selective and thus useless if anything can set it off 19:00 < mrtrousers> Anything that is a pollutant? 19:01 < mrtrousers> Well anyway, I need to work on it.. 19:02 < mrtrousers> Klafka1: you have to remember that biological 'programming' isn't like regular programming, the program is also data is also physical.. Id like to hear more on that.. 19:03 < kanzure> no not just "anything that is a pollutant" more like... anything anything 19:03 < klafka1> well your 'program' ends up being DNA which has actual physical properties and DNA can interact with DNA in various physical ways in addition to containing the basic 'atcg' information 19:04 < kanzure> klafka1: i think protein-protein interactions are more relevant here 19:04 < klafka1> further mRNAs interact with each other, they compete competitively for polymerase translation 19:04 < kanzure> right 19:04 < klafka1> er 19:04 < klafka1> transcription 19:04 < klafka1> adn ribosomal translation 19:04 < klafka1> and THEN the protein end-products are physical things that can interact in emergent phenomena 19:04 < klafka1> which is the big thing i think kanzure and I agree on 19:05 < kanzure> or other things can happen like.. pH changing drastically and killing your cell 19:05 < klafka1> yeah 19:05 < kanzure> some of this can be modelled and predicted ahead of time i think, 19:05 < kanzure> like "Oh, i'm modifying the ph stability stuff, hur dur" 19:06 < kanzure> but anything else is a guessing game 19:06 < kanzure> more probabilistic 19:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:06 < klafka1> yeah 19:06 < klafka1> basically things aren't impossible but they are fucking hard and they have the ability to really go off the wall 19:07 < mrtrousers> You guys are hobyists or biology academics? 19:07 < klafka1> i'm no longer in academia but i was involved in comp bio @ in academia 19:07 < kanzure> i'm just a tortoise 19:07 < kanzure> i'm not even human 19:10 < eudoxia> Is there such a thing as an open manufacturing wiki? 19:10 < mrtrousers> There is open cource ecology..They do open hardware.. 19:10 < kanzure> eudoxia: no, but there's appropedia, gvcs stuff on openfarmtech.org, old hplusroadmap wiki stuf.. 19:11 < eudoxia> Oh I know that one, I was just wondering something more broad, though it would be 90% OSE 19:11 < kanzure> there's also wikipedia 19:14 < mrtrousers> Can I make silly questions? 19:14 < kanzure> silly questions are the best kind.. 19:14 < klafka1> sure 19:15 < mrtrousers> If in a species every organism has a slightly diferent genome.. How do we decide which genome is the average or the one that defines the specie? 19:15 < kanzure> statistics 19:15 < kanzure> most members of a population have the same genome and just have different alleles 19:16 < mrtrousers> So when they sample bees, they dont just do one, they do lots.. 19:17 < klafka1> eh it's more like typically they try and take a 'normal' member of a species 19:17 < klafka1> and sequence it's genome 19:18 < kanzure> eudoxia: feel free to talk in here.. 19:18 < kanzure> instead of separately.. 19:18 < klafka1> you have to understand that genome sequencing itself is a very probabilistic thing as well, each base pair is determined typically with some margin of error 19:18 < klafka1> 99% of a species genome is the same and it's a set of SNPs that separate individuals 19:19 < kanzure> and then there's all sorts of parts of the genome that are too highly repetitive to sequence with any certainty [with current techniques] 19:19 < klafka1> yep 19:20 < mrtrousers> Iv seen when sequencing they break the dna into lots of strands to read it.. How do they piece it in the right order afterwards? 19:20 < ybit> fenn_: do you think the ml-class was worth your time? 19:20 < kanzure> ybit: i just saw him walk in.. klafka has dibbs on him first 19:20 < kanzure> let me pester him 19:21 < klafka1> mrtrousers by looking at overlap 19:21 < klafka1> it's a fairly classic substring reconstruction problem 19:22 < mrtrousers> Ok 19:22 < klafka1> for de novo sequencing there are two ways of doing it, either they create longer strands using sanger sequencing then using NGS to do 'shotgun sequencing' 19:22 < klafka1> or um you can do denovo sequencing with just NGS but it requires very very high coverage 19:23 < mrtrousers> Do you think laptops will incorporate labonachips to run experiments in the near future? 19:24 < eudoxia> that would be a mildly expensive adon 19:24 < eudoxia> addon* 19:24 < klafka1> er um 19:24 < klafka1> why would a laptop have a lab on a chip? 19:25 < kanzure> fenn is currently ignoring the interwebs 19:25 < mrtrousers> Dont know yet.. 19:25 < eudoxia> while we're at it, we could also add a scanning probe and an electron microscope 19:25 < mrtrousers> So you could run experiments on the fly, read genomes, etc.. 19:25 < kanzure> direct dna sequencing with electron microscopy is another technique, although not ready for commercial use 19:26 < mrtrousers> Or.. Would there be a day where you code something on a computer and something is grown on a petri? 19:26 < klafka1> kanzure who is doing that? 19:26 < eudoxia> I wonder if you could sequence DNA with an atomic force microscope... 19:26 < kanzure> mrtrousers: why? do you need that 19:26 < kanzure> klafka1: halcyon molecular 19:26 < klafka1> mrtrousers this is slightly beyond near future 19:26 < kanzure> eudoxia: yeah.. you can 19:26 < klafka1> more like 5+ years at least 19:27 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ 19:27 < klafka1> man kanzure i boought pacbio stock 19:27 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/AFM/ 19:27 < klafka1> i hope they aren't tanking lately 19:27 < kanzure> pacbio will probably end up on top 19:27 < klafka1> i think they had a rough patch 19:27 < klafka1> but they have solid tech 19:27 < klafka1> don't you agree? 19:27 < klafka1> wow halcyon hasn't had an update since Nov 2010 19:28 < klafka1> that's not good at all 19:28 < kanzure> they aren't a website company 19:28 < kanzure> kim jong is dead 19:28 < kanzure> everybody hide under your desk! 19:29 < klafka1> well i guess they are still around 19:29 < klafka1> they are hiring a help desk admin 19:29 < klafka1> kanzure just growing startups usually have regular news blurbs, are hiring, have jobs posted on their sites, etc... 19:30 < klafka1> but anyway they are still doing well? 19:30 < klafka1> are they sort of flying under the radar atm while they dev? 19:30 < kanzure> uhrm 19:30 < kanzure> it's a long story 19:30 < klafka1> ah 19:30 < klafka1> oh 19:30 < kanzure> and i just got done ranting/complaining about them yesterday, so it will be a few days until i care enough to complain again 19:31 < klafka1> ok 19:31 < klafka1> well when you do let me know 19:31 < klafka1> i want to know their story 19:31 < kanzure> okie dokie 19:31 < klafka1> since i intimately care about the state of sequencing tech 19:33 < klafka1> so let's just remember http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/ 19:34 < kanzure> oh man that's great 19:34 < kanzure> ☑ Kim Jong Il ☑ Khaddafi ☑ Osama Bin Laden ☑ Saddam Hussein ☐ Internet Explorer 19:35 < mrtrousers> funny 19:42 * ybit pokes fenn_ 19:42 < kanzure> ybit: try calling him 19:43 * ybit calls fenn_ 19:43 < kanzure> ybit: see pm 19:43 < ybit> see pm 19:44 < ybit> *eeeevil* 19:46 < ybit> kanzure: can you just hit him with a wadded sheet of paper and tell him that's from me and that he should answer my question? 19:46 < kanzure> no 19:46 < kanzure> he's behind a door 19:49 < foucist> ah, you are sharing the same geolocation 19:49 < foucist> that explains some pecularities of this channel 19:49 < ybit> not all of them 19:50 < kanzure> foucist: most of the time, no 19:50 < kanzure> but the last week, yes 19:50 < ybit> i still don't understand why kanzure tells fenn_ to roll over sometimes 19:50 < kanzure> roll over? 19:50 < ybit> bad joke? 19:50 < kanzure> "bend over" would be funnier 19:51 < ybit> i would explain the picture in my head, but i'd rather that image not be there 19:52 < ybit> http://www.r-tutor.com/ 19:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-209.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52 < klafka1> lol 19:52 < klafka1> foucist it's hard to explain the pecularities of the channel 19:52 < klafka1> ybit this seems interesting 19:52 < ybit> klafka1: the images do 19:53 < klafka1> also why are the images like crazy 19:53 < ybit> they make you think there's going to be some amazing visuals 19:53 < ybit> my question too 19:53 < klafka1> i've never seen an ANOVA graph look so cool 19:53 < klafka1> i was curious to see GPU SVM with R though 19:53 < klafka1> anyway 19:53 < klafka1> shower 19:53 < klafka1> bbiaf 19:53 -!- mrtrousers [57ddb117@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.221.177.23] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:56 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:57 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-142-210.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- Torretoter [~Riencam@202.80.45.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:04 < foucist> what does "X has experience in mobile app, but he mostly does native app development." mean to you 20:04 < foucist> native app dev = iOS ? 20:04 -!- Torretoter [~Riencam@202.80.45.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 < ybit> yeah, sounds like objective-c or java 20:08 < ybit> not mobile site development 20:10 < kanzure> foucist: it means he's bad at english 20:29 -!- poptire [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- poptire_ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:31 < ybit> https://plus.google.com/108772200278976934119/posts/2xXxs3nMPaU 20:31 < kanzure> you are obligated to explain obfuscated links 20:31 < kanzure> unless the context is obvious 20:32 < ybit> new biotech badge 20:32 < ybit> from adafruit 20:39 < klafka1> that's cool 20:42 < klafka1> that reminds me that i just bought http://www.spacetribe.com/shop/images/JK54_M30A_XL.jpg 20:53 -!- nchaimov [~nchaimov@c-67-171-214-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 21:00 -!- nchaimov [~nchaimov@c-67-171-214-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 < foucist> what's the alternatives to phonegap? 21:05 < ybit> maybe alternativeto.net knows 21:08 < kanzure> foucist: there is no alternative 21:08 < kanzure> keep using it 21:08 < kanzure> but there's also appcelerator/titanium or whatever 21:08 < kanzure> foucist: if you use phonegap i can help you out bunches 21:09 < kanzure> foucist: what are you up to 21:22 < kanzure> POKEMON DIDN'T EVOLVE, GOD MADE POKEMON, DONT BELIEVE THE LIBERAL ATHEIST LIES! 21:22 < kanzure> http://i.imgur.com/eXGKy.jpg 21:25 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 < joshcryer> req: Observing the Multiexciton State in Singlet Fission and Ensuing Ultrafast Multielectron Transfer 21:29 < foucist> kanzure: i was just at startup weekend bangkok and my team won 21:29 < foucist> we get to do the asian ycombinator bootcamp in singapore 21:29 < foucist> ycombinator-like 21:31 < foucist> the biz idea is to let people chat with others that are also watching the same TV show they are 21:31 < foucist> original name was TVeeter (TV twitter) 21:32 < foucist> kanzure: anyways basically need to do a mobile app with twitter integration.. made good progress with jquery mobile/rails during the weekend but time to start looking at doing a proper job of it 21:32 < foucist> do you think phonegap is suitable for a twitter mobile app? 21:58 < kanzure> uh.. sure 21:58 < kanzure> yeah i don't see a problem doing that 22:01 < kanzure> foucist: you should meet up with http://www.justin-klein.com/ 22:02 -!- Torretoter [~Riencam@202.80.45.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:03 -!- Torretoter [~Riencam@202.80.45.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:42 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-142-210.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43 -!- strangewarp [~sevenplag@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:47 -!- strangewarp [~sevenplag@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:13 < ybit> #webdev #android #ios www.curl.com 23:16 < ybit> http://opalang.org/ 23:16 < ybit> #note-to-self 23:18 * ybit throws a paper airplane at fenn_ and calls it a night 23:19 < ybit> was wondering if the ml-class was worth it, just in case you didn't see 23:19 < ybit> bye now 23:36 < kanzure> ybit: he says "i don't know because i didn't do it but generally no i don't think it's worth it" 23:36 < kanzure> "tell him to just read the book" 23:37 < kanzure> "or better yet just read the lecture notes and look at the wikipedia articles" 23:37 < kanzure> "i mean ml is just statistics" 23:37 < kanzure> "statistics is boring" 23:37 < kanzure> "but it's useful so pffrtt" 23:37 < kanzure> i can't type the sound he made 23:37 < kanzure> "like statistics with optimization" 23:40 < Utopiah> ybit: you can get opinions from people who did it on #ml-class --- Log closed Mon Dec 19 00:00:35 2011