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06:46 < kanzure> fenn: hi
07:08 < kanzure> "The idea behind the
07:08 < kanzure> research was to try to find out what genetic changes might make the virus
07:08 < kanzure> easier to transmit. That way, scientists would know how to identify changes
07:09 < kanzure> in the naturally occurring virus that might be warning signals that it was
07:09 < kanzure> developing pandemic potential. "
07:09 < kanzure> gee thanks NIH
07:09 < kanzure> “My concern is that we don’t give amateurs — or terrorists — information that
07:09 < kanzure> might let them do something that could really cause a lot a harm,” he said in
07:09 < kanzure> an interview.
07:09 < kanzure> uhuh
07:10 < kanzure> "amateurs -- OTHERWISE KNOWN AS TERRORISTS--"
07:15 < superkuh> It's incredibly stupid. The best way to decrease the pathogenicity of a virus is to pass it through multiple non-human hosts. And ferrets are horrible models of pathogenicity; as can be seen by the very high mortality they have with H1N1 novel origin from 2009. They are only useful models for virulence because they share the sialic acid sugars on the their upper respiratory epithelial cells as humans.
07:16 < superkuh> And that's not even acknowledging that the H1N1 1918 strain sequences are already published and widely distributed; a strain that *does* have high virulence and is highly pathogenic in humans.
07:16 < superkuh> s/the their/their/
07:17 < superkuh> This entire media storm is being manufactured for it's value in justifying censorship.
07:18 < superkuh> It's not like the information isn't out already anyway. The NSABB only got involved after peer review.
07:18 < kanzure> ferrets did seem like an odd choice to me, but i'm not familiar with them in research
07:19 < superkuh> Like I said, they are the standard model for human influenza virulence because their sialic acid sugars, where the neuraminidase proteins on the influenza bind to enter the cell, are very close to human.
07:20 < kanzure> so anyway, this study could be anything- theoretical genetic changes that would cause greater virulence, or even actual tests
07:20 < kanzure> i sorta doubt actual tests of viruses or any sort of directed-evolution-to-see-which-strain-comes-out-on-top
07:21 < kanzure> probably just a theoretical study.. "hurr you can clearly change the incubation period with these four snps"
07:22 < superkuh> I doubt they did even cell culture based tests for human pathogenicity; and if they did it wouldn't be reliable. All statements about the danger of the virus cannot be justified from ferret models.
07:48 < kanzure> superkuh: a lot of the lame ducks in the diybio community have gotten by on saying "Oh, making a virus is too complicated or cost-prohibitive for amateurs to do"
07:48 < kanzure> frankly i don't believe that line
07:49 < kanzure> there are many individuals with a few mil laying around
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08:03 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:36 < uniqanomaly> “we don’t give amateurs — or terrorists — information that might let them do something that could really cause a lot a harm,”
08:37 < uniqanomaly> are chemistry books in public libraries still legal in US? lol
08:38 < uniqanomaly> and selling them to anyone ;>
08:41 < uniqanomaly> authorisation levels for knowledge, unauthorized knowledge punishable by death!
08:43 < klafka> superkuh it's not surprising
08:43 < klafka> really
08:43 < uniqanomaly> they should really think about it after SOPA
08:54 < klafka> they're  quite possibly going to try and push sopa through again
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09:22 < kanzure> yummy https://github.com/mathphreak/keyboard.backbone.js
09:23 < kanzure> http://mir.aculo.us/2011/09/08/insanely-easy-keyboard-shortcuts-for-your-web-apps-%E2%80%94-keymaster-js/
09:23 < kanzure> not sure how to manage 'contexts' or 'modes' like if a user is viewing one thing versus another
09:34 < kanzure> klafka: status update? you're definitely going w/ factual?
09:34 < klafka> badgeville
09:34 < klafka> actually
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09:45 < kanzure> eudoxia: did you watch it?
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14:41 < Mariu> see you all later
14:43 < kanzure> nope
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14:56 < ybit> so much for using rpy :\
15:13 < klafka> not good?
15:20 < ybit> eh, it doesn't support the version of r in the repo and the build fails and i'm not messing with it
15:21 < ybit> source build*
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15:58 < kanzure> "We should be building defences because of the risk of random mutations and not because of the risk of engineered viruses."
16:06 < strangewarp> Good luck convincing anyone who went to statist war school, especially anyone who loves their terr'...
16:08 < kanzure> i don't think statist war school teaches combat against mother nature
16:08 < strangewarp> exactly :p
16:27 < sylph_mako> mutations in what?
16:28 < kanzure> natural mutations in various viruses, it doesn't matter really
16:28 < kanzure> the point is, viruses are a natural phenomenon so it doesn't matter if it's man-made or not
16:28 < kanzure> *if a particular instance is man-made or not
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17:07 < kanzure> ybit: orgmode in a browser http://yata.in/docview/r/4ed70c031a7ba32edb000002
17:32 < ybit> interesting
17:33 < ybit> there's an android app for syncing your orgmode files
17:33 < ybit> http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/
17:33 < ybit> haven't yet went through the process of syncing
17:41 < ybit> http://vizualize.me/
17:41 < ybit> "Vizualize your resume in one click."
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19:05 < kanzure> ybit: that looks like spam to me
19:09 < kanzure> http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Canadians+start+vaccine+clinical+trials/5890341/story.html
19:09 < kanzure> anyone have the link to the patent?
19:39 < JayDugger> How did you find "orgmode in a browser"?	
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20:09 < kanzure> JayDugger: google psychic search services
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22:23 < ybit> http://imgur.com/a/OPQE9
22:25 < ybit> there seems to be a common pattern here, something pushing or pulling people from searching for programming related terms?
22:26 < ybit> i'm probably missing some basic notion from stats 101
22:27 < kanzure> probably school
22:27 < kanzure> are those weekends?
22:28 < ybit> hrm?
23:32 < kanzure> autodesk acquired instructables? i thought it was someone else
23:32 < kanzure> "On December 2009, Autodesk announced the acquisition of VisualTAO (also known as PlanPlatform), an Israeli start-up that developed a cloud-based Web application, enabling users to view and edit AutoCAD files online. The company also developed a mobile version of the application. VisualTAO became part of PSEB, and the product was released during 2010 as "AutoCAD WS.""
23:38 < kanzure> didn't know autocadws was an acquisition
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