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06:30 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:05 < kanzure> mm
08:05 < kanzure> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Radeon-HD-7970-Mit-2048-Kernen-an-die-Leistungsspitze-1399905.html
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09:55 < kanzure> cat ../irclogs/freenode/\#reprap.log | grep "github.com" | urifind | grep github | sort | uniq
09:56 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap.links.txt
09:57 < kanzure> http://julienbld.github.com/pycado/ "Pycado is an object oriented 3D CAD scripting language based on pythonocc with a graphical interactive editor"
09:59 < kanzure> https://github.com/punkmanufacturing/thingiverse-backup
10:05 < kanzure> http://dongiverse.com/
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10:18 < Utopiah> http://www.generatorx.no/20111222/generator-x-3-0-from-code-to-atoms/
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11:27 < kanzure> so, dassault sells their cad products with a "try it before you make it" pitch
11:27 < kanzure> i can only think of cfd/fea as a reason why they would want, say, mathematically precise surface models
11:28 < kanzure> and possibly for machining precision and reducing part failure
11:28 < kanzure> the math and parametric capabilities are really useful to users, but it seems to be a byproduct of having deep pockets?
11:34 < kanzure> "Finally, Toyota wanted to base TOGO CAD on technologies developed by other companies, specifically Nihon Unisys for 3D and Matra Datavision for design styling. TOGO Styling, based on technology from Matra Datavision, went into production use last summer."
11:34 < kanzure> "Toyota is also using CAS.CADE, Matra's object-oriented software development platform. Conversely, Matra plans to incorporate some of Toyota's developments into its EUCLID QUANTUM offering."
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12:17 < kanzure> http://www.deelip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/185.jpg
12:17 < kanzure> why is that so big
12:17 < kanzure> it's a photo of a pre-cnc nc machine in the 70s
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18:42 < kanzure> computational neuroscience news site.. thing http://www.compneuronews.org/
18:43 < kanzure> looks like a copy of yc.arc or whatever
18:43 < kanzure> oh neat.. citation database http://googlescholar.blogspot.com/2011/11/google-scholar-citations-open-to-all.html
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21:10 < Mokbortolan1> Howdy folks
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21:25 < kanzure> hi Mokbortolan1
21:25 < kanzure> nate in oregon.. nope don't know you
21:30 < Mokbortolan1> Haha
21:31 < Mokbortolan1> nope, I was reading a thread on emotiv's site and found a reference to this room
21:35 < Stieru_Ridir> is anything interesting happening on emotiv btw?
21:35 < Stieru_Ridir> are you a developer?
21:35 < Stieru_Ridir> *err, someone who uses their software
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21:47 < Mokbortolan1> I bought a consumer headset
21:47 < Mokbortolan1> I'm not a developer, but if I like it enough I might give it a go
21:47 < Mokbortolan1> I'm a systems administrator by trade
21:48 < jrayhawk> condolences
21:48 < Mokbortolan1> hahaha
21:48 < Mokbortolan1> no, I like what I do
21:49 < Mokbortolan1> someone's gotta have a place for all that software to run, right?
21:51 < kanzure> i played around with a headset and wrote some code
21:52 < Mokbortolan1> Stieru_Ridir: I don't know if anything interesting is going on, besides emokit, which nobody seems to be doing anything with
21:52 < kanzure> but other people ended up doing emokit
21:52 < Mokbortolan1> I saw the video of the guy who got it running on his n900
21:52 < kanzure> Mokbortolan1: we're all sysadmins here and we're all planning where to hide your body
21:52 < Mokbortolan1> that was pretty neat
21:52 < kanzure> we're also planning to steal your n900
21:52 < Mokbortolan1> hahaha
21:52 < Mokbortolan1> I don't have an n900
21:53 < Mokbortolan1> I'm considering getting one though
21:53 < kanzure> the hell kinda sysadmin are you?
21:53 < kanzure> ah
21:53 < Mokbortolan1> the worst kind
21:53 < Mokbortolan1> a WINDOWS sysadmin
21:53 < jrayhawk> my condolences are no longer ironic
21:53  * Mokbortolan1 wads up and throws his MCSE at the closest hiring manager.
21:53 < kanzure> um
21:54 < kanzure> so wait
21:54 < kanzure> your name is mokbor?
21:54 < kanzure> mokbor to lan1?
21:54 < Mokbortolan1> haha
21:54 < Mokbortolan1> no, I vary on "mok" and pick different suffixes
21:54 < Mokbortolan1> I change it to mokbort, remembering "bort" from the simpsons
21:54 < Mokbortolan1> then that made me think of the poor ortolan
21:55 < jrayhawk> poor, delicious ortolan
21:55 < Mokbortolan1> and the 1 is because I have 4 IRC-enabled devices
21:55 < Mokbortolan1> and they overlap sometimes
21:55 < Mokbortolan1> actually I have.. wait..
21:55 < Mokbortolan1> nine
21:56 < Mokbortolan1> ten
21:56 < kanzure> my utility belt is all smartphones :/
21:56 < Mokbortolan1> my kids have original droids
21:56 < kanzure> ew
21:56 < kanzure> so you have kids
21:56 < Mokbortolan1> oh yeah
21:56 < kanzure> and you do work on windows
21:56 < Mokbortolan1> 4 and 2.5
21:56 < kanzure> what sort of terrible person are you
21:56  * Mokbortolan1 hangs his head in shame.
21:57 < kanzure> so you're playing with emoti?
21:57 < kanzure> *emotiv
21:57 < Mokbortolan1> I just got it today
21:57 < Mokbortolan1> I haven't had a chance to do much else than open it up and look at it
21:57 < Mokbortolan1> it's a very good build quality
21:57 < Mokbortolan1> quite pleased with the appearance :p
21:59 < Mokbortolan1> my plan is to terrorize my children with spirit mountain
22:00 < jrayhawk> you plan to scare your children with a local casino?
22:00 < Mokbortolan1> emotiv needs to get up off their butts and start handing developer kits out to rockstar developers for free
22:00 < Mokbortolan1> err, not rockstar the game studio
22:01 < Mokbortolan1> spirit mountain is a demo game for the emotiv
22:01 < jrayhawk> ah
22:01 < Mokbortolan1> I also got neuroprogrammer 3
22:02 < Mokbortolan1> it interfaces with it for "bio-optimization"
22:02 < jrayhawk> From what I'd seen of their public discussions on their crippleware pricing structure, they're already relying on research/medical users for income and selling it as cheap as they can afford for individuals.
22:03 < Mokbortolan1> hmm
22:04 < jrayhawk> My guess is that they're positioning themselves to get bought out by a larger company that can credibly market it as a game console accessory.
22:05 < Mokbortolan1> it's a heck of an accessory
22:06 < Mokbortolan1> I'm gonna see how well my 4-yo can learn to play Portal with it
22:08 < kanzure> when i was in redwood a few months ago, someone at the house i was staying at had worked at emotiv
22:09 < kanzure> i was so pleased, so i started quizzing her about it
22:09 < kanzure> unfortunately she didn't understand the management's decisions either
22:09 < Mokbortolan1> management's always screwing up everything
22:09 < kanzure> they're selling the hardware as a loss leader
22:09 < kanzure> and then make money on the sdks
22:10 < kanzure> so when ##hplusroadmap released some software, their investors got cold feet
22:10 < Mokbortolan1> that's funny
22:10 < Mokbortolan1> a target market of developers
22:10 < Mokbortolan1> hahaha
22:10 < Mokbortolan1> that's exactly how Apple made such a success out of the iPhone
22:10 < Mokbortolan1> dev kits!
22:10 < jrayhawk> Mokbortolan1: are you a freelance sysadmin, and, if so, what city are you in?
22:10 < kanzure> apple could sell you a pile of shit
22:11 < Mokbortolan1> I'm a contractor, so yes, I'm in Portland
22:11 < kanzure> hah
22:11 < Mokbortolan1> !s/yes,/yes.
22:11 < kanzure> joe's gonna come and force you to sign contracts
22:11 < kanzure> if you see a porsche outside your door it's too late
22:12 < Mokbortolan1> hmm
22:12 < Mokbortolan1> I don't usually sign the contracts
22:12 < Mokbortolan1> the people who pay me sign those
22:12 < kanzure> uh what?
22:12 < kanzure> freelancing usually means you sign contracts
22:12 < Mokbortolan1> hmm
22:12 < jrayhawk> If his contracts are unilateral, there's no reason to.
22:13 < Mokbortolan1> so far in the last year I've used three contracting agencies
22:13 < kanzure> temp agencies?
22:13 < jrayhawk> Oh, agencies. That makes more sense.
22:13 < Mokbortolan1> no, contracting agencies
22:13 < Mokbortolan1> they negotiate the terms and find the gigs
22:13 < Mokbortolan1> I'm OK with that
22:13 < kanzure> example?
22:13 < kanzure> is this just another way of saying a recruiter?
22:13 < Mokbortolan1> yes, recruiters call me
22:14 < Mokbortolan1> I think that's what they're called
22:14 < Mokbortolan1> I tend to be picky about my engagements though
22:16 < Mokbortolan1> jrayhawk: why, do you need a windows admin?
22:17 < jrayhawk> Not at the moment, but I always feel bad when I turn down Windows jobs and I like having something to point people at that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
22:17 < jrayhawk> The use of an agency makes me question the "arm and a leg" part.
22:17 < Mokbortolan1> I don't have anything against doing 1099 work
22:18 < Mokbortolan1> although, most of the people that want that sort of work that I've met don't want to may be $75/hr for it :p
22:18 < Mokbortolan1> pay
22:19 < kanzure> yeh that sounds very low
22:19 < jrayhawk> Kanzure is picky.
22:21 < Mokbortolan1> for a dev I suppose
22:22 < Mokbortolan1> I dunno, I'm still early in my career
22:22 < kanzure> oh that's right there's a "totem pole" effect going on here
22:22 < kanzure> "EEs should always be paid more than MEs!"
22:22 < Mokbortolan1> I thought the deal was the devs billed fewer hours
22:22 < kanzure> why would i do that
22:22 < Mokbortolan1> I usually take 40hr, 5 day type gigs
22:23 < kanzure> oh i see
22:23 < jrayhawk> Devs do more negotiation.
22:23 < kanzure> well, the deal with freelancing is that if you want to do 70-100 hours a week and get paid market rate for it, you can
22:23 < Mokbortolan1> right now I'm helping a large health company decom a datacenter
22:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm really surprised by how few people bother to negotiate
22:24 < kanzure> "14.53 an hour? well ok i guess that's what i'm worth"
22:24 < Mokbortolan1> americans aren't taught to
22:24 < jrayhawk> I mean negotiate project features.
22:24 < kanzure> oh, that too
22:24 < kanzure> "You want a button? YOU WANT A BUTTON THERE?"
22:24 < kanzure> i know no woman who has negotiated her pay
22:24 < Mokbortolan1> I get the sense that the people designing things don't bring the programmers in on those phases
22:25 < Mokbortolan1> and they end up with incorrect expectations
22:25 < kanzure> Mokbortolan1: well, a lot of the work i do is design+coding
22:25 < kanzure> for instance, mobile/web apps
22:25 < Mokbortolan1> hey! make one for emokit
22:25 < kanzure> er, why? it sucks?
22:25 < Mokbortolan1> there's python for android
22:25 < kanzure> emokit has a gyroscope which is ok i guess
22:25 < jrayhawk> Does Android have a host USB standard?
22:26 < Mokbortolan1> yes
22:26 < kanzure> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/host.html
22:26 < Mokbortolan1> I have a cheap pandigital tablet that even powers its port
22:26 < jrayhawk> hot damn
22:26 < Mokbortolan1> still a micro-usb port, but I have an adapter
22:26 < kanzure> verizon is doing an android set top box rollout soon, i hear
22:26 < kanzure> probably one of those "android tv" things..
22:26 < Mokbortolan1> oooh, that'd be nice
22:26 < kanzure> roku.. google set top box.. android.. home center thingy
22:27 < kanzure> whatever it was that was shown at the last google io
22:27 < Mokbortolan1> when more mobile phone support bluetooth 4.0 it'll make it that much easier
22:28 < Mokbortolan1> I dunno, I don't see the headset as a gaming accessory really, I'm more interested in the neurofeedback possibilities
22:28 < Mokbortolan1> so my estimation of the market as a game accessory is even more inherently flawed than perhaps a person without that inclination
22:30 < Mokbortolan1> not everybody sees EEG-assisted meditation as an exciting possibility
22:30 < kanzure> question: have you actually tried the gaussian stuff yet
22:30 < kanzure> i mean the scalp sensor stuff
22:30 < Mokbortolan1> no, I just opened the box and played with it a bit
22:30 < kanzure> heh
22:30 < Mokbortolan1> I have to wash dishes :(
22:31 < Mokbortolan1> my mom's coming over for dinner tomorrow night and it's freaking my wife out, so we're cleaning
22:31 < Mokbortolan1> terrible timing
22:31 < kanzure> i can't tell what's new in this article http://www.techcentral.co.za/the-quest-to-simulate-the-human-brain/28220/
22:32 < jrayhawk> are you a nora gedgaudas fan
22:32 < kanzure> me?
22:33 < kanzure> is this a meditation-based new age cult
22:33 < Mokbortolan1> no no no
22:33 < Mokbortolan1> nothing like that
22:33 < Mokbortolan1> my cult is based on psilcybin mushrooms
22:33 < kanzure> go on..
22:34 < Mokbortolan1>  hahaha
22:34 < Mokbortolan1> only half-joking
22:34 < Mokbortolan1> something I've thought about, ritual use of small amounts of psilocybin, but our government frowns on the white man doing such things
22:35 < Mokbortolan1> it's actually an effective SSRI when taken in non-recreational doses
22:36 < Mokbortolan1> but that's more of an "after the apocalypse" type of idea
22:37 < Mokbortolan1> probably because I read "Island"
22:37 < kanzure> do you know what this channel is about
22:37 < Mokbortolan1> that is, huxley's Island
22:37 < kanzure> oh i guess the /topic doesn't have anything explicitly transhumanist anymore
22:37 < kanzure> damn
22:38 < kanzure> i should fix that.. hrm
22:38 < Mokbortolan1> no idea, really
22:38 < Mokbortolan1> h+ perhaps, enhanced human
22:38 < Mokbortolan1> roadmap being the discussion of how to reach such a thing
22:38 < kanzure> we pig out on nootropics and diybio equipment and stuff
22:38 < Mokbortolan1> oh nice
22:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
22:38 < Mokbortolan1> I just bought 28kg of piracetam
22:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/
22:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/
22:39 < Stieru_Ridir> jesus, what
22:39 < Stieru_Ridir> 28kg?
22:39 < Mokbortolan1> yeah
22:39 < kanzure> mg?
22:39 < Stieru_Ridir> I'd been looking at starting a noot company for a while
22:39 < Mokbortolan1> I'm planning on getting 1kg of noopept in a few weeks
22:39 < Stieru_Ridir> but waiting on FDA regs :-/
22:39 < Mokbortolan1> the FDA can get bent
22:39 < kanzure> Stieru_Ridir: http://drugstack.com/ is a little project of mine
22:39 < kanzure> i'm scraping nootropic vendor sites
22:39 < kanzure> and should turn on a search engine interface thinger
22:40 < Mokbortolan1> my horribly unprofessional site is here: http://pureacetam.com
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22:40 < Mokbortolan1> if you'd like a perfect example the ways in which I am not a web developer, there it is
22:40 < jrayhawk> bahaha
22:40 < Mokbortolan1> of
22:40 < kanzure> i can tell you're not because you're using wordpress
22:40 < kanzure> oh you got the coa doc, neat
22:40 < Mokbortolan1> a step up from notepad
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> that's just from the supplier
22:41 < kanzure> you're in another channel i'm in
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> I'm getting it independently tested in two weeks or so
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> which one's that
22:41 < Stieru_Ridir> Mokbortolan1: are you reselling?
22:41 < kanzure> #reddit-nootropics
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> hahaha
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> yeah, I'm the op there
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> the only op
22:41 < kanzure> oh shit
22:41 < Stieru_Ridir> haha
22:41 < Stieru_Ridir> I was in there for a while
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> I haven't bothered to add anybody else
22:41 < Mokbortolan1> it's very quiet
22:41 < Stieru_Ridir> you may recognize this from a while back /nick Noomix
22:41 < Stieru_Ridir> welp
22:42 -!- Stieru_Ridir is now known as Noomix
22:42 < Mokbortolan1> no, sorry
22:42 < Mokbortolan1> I stopped going for a month or two while I was really busy
22:42 -!- Noomix is now known as Steel`
22:42 < Steel`> eh
22:42 < Mokbortolan1> and also it's very quiet in there
22:42 < Steel`> I was working on starting a noot company that let you mix your own shit
22:42 < Steel`> on the site
22:42 < Mokbortolan1> it's picked up a bit lately
22:42 < Mokbortolan1> I had the same thought!
22:42 < Steel`> took some survey data with /r/nootropics as my main source
22:42 < kanzure> Steel`: there's one that does that..
22:42 < Mokbortolan1> only, I didn't want to be painted with the "supplement" brush
22:42 < Steel`> who?
22:42 < kanzure> um, um, let me look it up
22:43 < Steel`> FDA is currently working on requiring a NEW permission for any supplements that have an ingredient change
22:43 < Steel`> not just new ingredients
22:43 < Steel`> so the plan got shelved
22:43 < kanzure> https://www.customcapsule.com/index.html
22:43 < kanzure> i've heard mixed things about them
22:44 < kanzure> get it.. mixed.. things
22:44 < kanzure> you guys suck :(
22:44 < Steel`> haha, holy shit
22:44 < Steel`> these guys are a massive ripoff
22:45 < Steel`> lemme double check my math
22:45 < kanzure> they outsource it all to some 'lab' or whatever
22:45 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure this is just some affiliate marketer
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22:47 < kanzure> Mokbortolan1: so if you have thoughts about drugstack, i'd love to hear them
22:47 < kanzure> i was thinking: product comparison (price shopping) (this is why i've been writing scrapers),
22:47 < Mokbortolan1> drugstack?
22:47 < kanzure> and maybe recommendations
22:47 < kanzure> http://drugstack.com/
22:48 < kanzure> i don't know
22:48 < kanzure> i was thinking of reselling my scraped data to vendors
22:48 < Steel`> actually, shit, these guys do have moderately unterrible prices
22:48 < Steel`> but their marketing is shit, I'd never seen them before
23:07 < kanzure> man i wonder where my industrial robot is
23:10 < Steel`> ?
23:14 < Mokbortolan1> enslaved in a chinese factory
23:15 < kanzure> no i mean i had one
23:15 < kanzure> it was on someone's truck a year ago
23:15 < kanzure> don't know where it is
23:15 < Mokbortolan1> well
23:15 < Mokbortolan1> at least someone isn't sending you polaroids of the industrial robot at various tourist spots
23:17 < Mokbortolan1> or maybe you'd prefer that, I dunno
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