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00:00 < tarcieri> we were targeting people... probably like yourself
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11:28 < kanzure> foucist: honestly, i prefer phonegap
11:28 < kanzure> tarcieri: was it nitobi?
11:28 < kanzure> mulberry? webmynd
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16:26 < tarcieri> kanzure: Strobe
16:28 < tarcieri> kanzure: Phonegap was a nice attempt, but really, it's just baaaaaad :/
16:28 < tarcieri> particularly gap URLs
16:28 < tarcieri> changing window.location in UIWebView can have deleterious effects
16:29 < tarcieri> and you can achieve the same thing through other types of navigation
16:29 < tarcieri> (same thing being intercepting navigation events at the ObjC level so you can make them do native stuff)
16:31 < kanzure> erm, you shouldn't change window.location in phonegap
16:31 < tarcieri> it does it for you
16:32 < kanzure> no really, in phonegap you should just use a single html file
16:32 < tarcieri> yes
16:32 < tarcieri> Phonegap executes native calls through gap:// URLs
16:32 < kanzure> you must be talking about ios
16:32 < tarcieri> no? o_O
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16:32 < tarcieri> Phonegap intercepts gap:// URLs via UIWebViewDelegate
16:33 < tarcieri> well
16:33 < tarcieri> yes, I'm talking about how Phonegap works on iOS
16:33 < tarcieri> it's kind of an important platform when it comes to mobile
16:33 < kanzure> this seems like a crummy way to implement javascript callbacks
16:33 < tarcieri> it really is
16:34 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure phonegap-android is different
16:34 < tarcieri> if I were to try to go get VC funding for a Phonegap competitor, which I'm definitely NOT going to do
16:34 < tarcieri> heh
16:34 < tarcieri> I'd either: use UIWebView on iOS and Chromium on Android
16:34 < tarcieri> or Chromium on both :/
16:34 < tarcieri> also hooray, Android's mobile browser will no longer suck!
16:34 < kanzure> i'd go as far as saying 'ship a webkit-browser with phonegap-ios if you have to' just to not use ios url schemas
16:34 < tarcieri> yeah exactly
16:35 < foucist> kanzure: what platforms are you targetting with phonegap?
16:35 < tarcieri> get Chromium building on iOS
16:35 < kanzure> foucist: iphone and android primarily.. :/
16:35 < tarcieri> then implement your own JS-to-native bridge any way you want
16:35 < tarcieri> because you own the browser
16:36 < tarcieri> it's too bad W3C Widgets never took off :(
16:36 < kanzure> so, i don't think i've worked with strobe
16:36 < tarcieri> Strobe is defunct now
16:36 < tarcieri> it still works if you want to check it out
16:36 < kanzure> facebook acquisition?
16:36 < tarcieri> yeah
16:36 < kanzure> yeah i'd like to look
16:37 < kanzure> it's still a little weird that adobe acquired nitobi
16:37 < tarcieri> I assume it's an acqi-hire situation
16:37 < tarcieri> just like Strobe :/
16:37 < tarcieri> don't tell anyone I said that!
16:38 < tarcieri> strobe.com lets you "strobe deploy" the same way you would "git push"
16:38 < tarcieri> err
16:38 < tarcieri> strobecorp.com
16:38 < tarcieri> heh
16:38 < tarcieri> after that it has a fully automated phonegap build process
16:38 < kanzure> i was working on something i called phonegaptor,
16:38 < tarcieri> you add the platforms you want and strobe will automatically build apps for all the platforms (via phonegap.com)
16:39 < kanzure> it was basically like rails scaffolds except for phonegap
16:39 < tarcieri> then they're made available as downloads
16:39 < kanzure> well, except for phonegap + backbone + xui
16:39 < tarcieri> kanzure: have you seen ember.js/SproutCore?
16:39 < kanzure> so it would spit out the default templates, models, views, etc.
16:39 < kanzure> i haven't played with sproutcore yet, no
16:39 < tarcieri> don't play with sproutcore, play with ember :)
16:39 < tarcieri> ember is SproutCore 2.0 renamed
16:39 < tarcieri> the main difference is ember keeps all the state client-side
16:39 < nsh> HOLY SPHERE EVERSION, BATMAN -- IT'S CONVERSATION!
16:40 < tarcieri> you create data bindings, computed properties, templates
16:40 < tarcieri> these are used to construct the DOM
16:40 < tarcieri> when you update a data binding, it updates all the places it's used in the document
16:40 < kanzure> sure..
16:40 < kanzure> okay
16:40 < tarcieri> it will automatically rerender templates as needed
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16:40 < tarcieri> you can use the templating language independently of ember too
16:40 < tarcieri> http://www.handlebarsjs.com/
16:41 < tarcieri> it's kind of like mustache on steroids, or something :)
16:41 < kanzure> how'd you end up in here?
16:41 < tarcieri> reddit
16:41 < tarcieri> lol
16:42 < tarcieri> immortalism, transhumanism, singularity, eternal life and shit hurrah! now I'm going to go smoke a cigarette
16:42 < kanzure> righto. reddit.
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18:37 < Mokbortolan> Whoo!
18:38 < kanzure> hi Mokbortolan
18:42 < Mokbortolan> howdy
18:42  * Mokbortolan makes grilled cheese sandwiches.
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