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02:08 < strangewarp> 2059: Gradual-brain-replacement uploading is ironically marketed as an ethical weight-loss solution. Illegal in those checkered portions of the USA, UCSA, EU, and Greater Israel/Iran Co-Prosperity Sphere still under government control
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02:25 <@kanzure> lego calculations http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3438725
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09:17 < Urchin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVMdvsvXuk <- this is interesting
10:17 <@kanzure> yawn
10:17 <@kanzure> klafka: how goes backbone
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12:20 < Mariu> hello everyone
12:20 < Mariu> thanks for the link, Urchin
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12:29 < Urchin> spread it around
12:30 < Urchin> it's a good update to his old TED talk
12:31 <@kanzure> Urchin: what is that link?
12:31 <@kanzure> youtube links aren't particularly descriptive
12:45 < Urchin> it's the new de Grey's talk from TEDxOxford
12:47 < Mariu> ^
12:47 < Mariu> it's only 18 minutes though :(
12:49 < Urchin> it's a TED talk, what do you expect?
12:50 < Mariu> good point
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13:35 < Spakz> Hello
13:37 < ybit> hi Spakz
13:37 < Spakz> How's it going?
13:37 < ybit> just woke up, so slowly
13:37 < ybit> how about yourself?
13:37 < Spakz> Not too bad, thanks. Trying to work my way through an essay at the moment
13:48 < Spakz> So, what kinds of things get discussed here?
13:51 < ybit> everything mentioned in the topic including pokemon
13:51 < Spakz> Haha nice. I'll have to look through those links
13:52  * ybit fetches a burrito
13:52 -!- kanzure changed the topic of ##hplusroadmap to: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware http://gnusha.org/logs/ http://bit.ly/diybionews2 http://gadaprize.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing
13:56 < Spakz> So, has anyone here been working on any projects?
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14:08 < ybit> project: fetch a burrito is finally over
14:08 < ybit> so i guess i'll continue on building an extension for KDE's krunner
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14:09 < ybit> Spakz: what about yourself
14:11 < Spakz> Unfortunately, nothing at the moment. I've been struggling to work my way into biology and biological work
14:11 < ybit> Spakz: what about yourself
14:12 < ybit> oh sorry
14:12 < Spakz> No worries
14:12 < ybit> was trying to restart mplayer :)
14:12 < Spakz> Haha gotcha
14:12 < ybit> watching how to train a dragon in spanish while eat my burrito
14:14 < Spakz> Do you speak Spanish?
14:17 < ybit> sí, pero, hablo muy poquito desde vivo en eeuu
14:17 < ybit> yes, but i speak little since i live in the states
14:17 < ybit> in florence, alabama to be precise
14:18 < ybit> Spakz: would you be interested in an h+ bootcamp?
14:18 < Spakz> Absolutely
14:19 < Spakz> And I speak a little bit of Spanish myself
14:19 < ybit> 16:12 <@kanzure> instead of lectures, you learn actual skills like tissue cultures, programming, rocketry, machining, asskicking
14:19 < ybit> bueno, donde estas?
14:20 < Spakz> En eeuu también, pero no estoy en Alabama sino Massachusetts
14:21 < ybit> un estado mucho mejor que alabama :)
14:21 < ybit> tenemos huntsville, eso es todo
14:22 < Spakz> Te molesta Alabama?
14:22 < ybit> y birmingham, supungo
14:22 < ybit> supongo*
14:23 < ybit> it's alright, really, it's just not somewhere i plan on living for the rest of my life
14:23 < Spakz> Ah, I see. Fair enough. I enjoy Massachusetts :>
14:24 < ybit> think the southeasst linux fest might be going on in birmingham this year, and we had the international space development conf in hsv this year
14:25 < Spakz> That's awesome
14:25 < ybit> unfortunately i know all the conferences that are going on this year :P
14:26 < ybit> in the sate
14:26 < Spakz> Things are always pretty active around Cambridge, so there's usually someplace intersting to be
14:26 < ybit> Spakz: so, what part of ma?
14:26 < ybit> yeah
14:27 < Spakz> I'm a couple due miles West of Boton. Pretty squarely in suburbia
14:27 < Spakz> couple miles due west*
14:27 < Spakz> Boston*
14:27 < Spakz> Meh, typing : P
14:28 < ybit> yeah, i had never heard of boton ;)
14:28 < ybit> boton, ma sounded like it would just as fun as boston though
14:28 < ybit> you've got the diybio group there
14:29 < ybit> a friend of mine started the bu hackerspace there, builds
14:29 < Spakz> Nice!
14:29  * ybit isn't sure if there's a techshop there
14:29 < ybit> but you have the public nights for the mit fablab
14:30 < ybit> you also have tons of interest groups meeting up all the time
14:30 < Spakz> I'm going to be talking with someone who works at a bioinformatics company soon. It's possible I'll be landing an internship there
14:31 < ybit> e.g. the haskell group
14:31 < Spakz> I'm more of a perl man myself
14:31 < ybit> i guess diybio would be considered an interest group :)
14:32 < Spakz> Haha something like that
14:33 < ybit> i really can't say much about perl outside of "go parrot!"
14:33 < Spakz> hahaha
14:34 < Spakz> I'm going to have to see about becoming more active with the bio community
14:35 < ybit> we have a functional programming interest group that meets once a month here, but it's mostly to do with languages built on top of jvm
14:35 < Spakz> Ah, I gotcha
14:35 < ybit> i did some diybio meetings here before i went back to school
14:36 < Spakz> I've been trying to find any sort of projects I can work on by myself. It's been a bit tricky
14:36 < ybit> i completely understand
14:37 < ybit> you should see the chart i created last year while tackling this issue
14:38 < Spakz> Link?
14:38 < ybit> you can make a webcam microscope easily, just invert the lens on a $5 webcam
14:38 < ybit> it's sitting beside me in a drawer
14:38 < ybit> we were able to get something like 50x45micron fov
14:39 < Spakz> Wow
14:39 < Spakz> That's really good
14:39 < ybit> yeah
14:39 < ybit> i was impressed, still am
14:39 < Spakz> I wouldn't have guessed
14:39 < Spakz> At all
14:39 < ybit> ignore the bad video editing: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/05/observing-the-microscopic-world-usi.html
14:40 < ybit> here's the webcam that was used: http://amzn.com/B0015TJNEY
14:41 < Spakz> Checking out the links now
14:44 < ybit> the other people in here are much smarter and more productive than me, btw
14:45 < Spakz> I'll take knowledge from wherever I can get it
14:45 < ybit> if you don't like the word intelligence, just replace smarts with experience
14:46 < ybit> but i think they're smarter :)
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14:46 < Spakz1> I think I just got disconnected
14:46 < ybit> the two people who started this channel in 2008 were fenn and kanzure
14:46 < ybit> oh
14:47 < Spakz1> Ok, back now
14:47 < Spakz1> So, what have you used your microscope for?
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14:49 < ybit> hrm, sorry, something's going wrong with my older sprunge bash function
14:49 < ybit> http://pastie.org/3151182
14:50 < ybit> fenn's site is fennetic.net and kanzure's is heybryan.org
14:50 < Spakz1> Gah, I'm not sure why my computer is upset at the moment
14:50 < Spakz1> Ah, cool
14:50 < ybit> it's tripping on perls probably
14:50 < Spakz1> haha ouch
14:51 < ybit> i never quite finished the microscope
14:51 < ybit> i would like to go the same route hackteria did
14:52 < Spakz1> Which route is that?
14:53 < ybit> they built their own mount and whatnot
14:53 < Spakz1> Ah, cool
14:53 < Spakz1> I was going to ask how you mounted it haha
14:53 < ybit> and they used an arduino to control where the lens was capturing
14:54 < ybit> that's what i think would be the practical next step, automated tracking
14:54 < ybit> i used an old microscope from the uni a bio teacher gave me
14:55 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MS2KYxQbfg was before that
14:55 < Spakz1> Luckily, I have access to a lot of the microscopes at my school
14:55 < Spakz1> And I have a teacher who's offered to let me use some lab space
14:55 < ybit> very nice
14:55 < ybit> you can do this for cheap
14:56 < ybit> you can also get into microfluidics cheaply
14:56 < ybit> have you seen whitesides' paper microfluidics?
14:56 < Spakz1> Not yet
14:56 < Spakz1> I'm pretty new to most diybio stuff
14:56 < ybit> a lot of this stuff has been discussed previously, definitely search the logs, you'll find a lot of gems
14:57 < Spakz1> I will do just that
14:57 < Spakz1> Do you have any ideas of where I could look for inspiration for a project?
14:58 < ybit> the logs
14:58 < ybit> search for "projects" or "fruit"
14:58 < Spakz1> Okie dokie
14:58 < Spakz1> Brb, heading to dinner
14:58 < Spakz1> Thanks for all your help so far!
14:59 < ybit> https://github.com/kanzure/skdb/blob/master/doc/proposals/trans-tech.yaml
14:59 < ybit> quick google search ^
15:00 < ybit> you can skip the search for 'fruit' now
15:04 < Spakz1> Actually, nvm, back
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15:11 < Spakz1> Thanks for your help, by the way
15:11 < ybit> np Spakz1
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15:15 <@kanzure> Spakz1: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html
15:15 <@kanzure> microfluidics projects would be nice to do
15:19 < Spakz1> Reading now
15:19 < Spakz1> Thanks!
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15:23 < Spakz1> Hm... lots of options
15:30 < Spakz1> So, Kanzure, what are some of the things you've worked on in the past, if you don't mind me asking?
15:32 < ybit> Spakz1: i think he's beaten pokemon gold, silver, and crystal and now is reverse engineering the game to have more levels to play
15:33 < Spakz1> I appear to be pretty far out of my league, then
15:33 < Mariu> hahaha
15:38 <@kanzure> Spakz1: lots of stuff... what do you want to know about?
15:39 < Spakz1> Kanzure, I've been trying to get into some of the diybio crowd, so I guess things you've worked on with relatively few materials/with a small team?
15:39 <@kanzure> the most diybio-relevant hardware projects have been playing aound with microfluidics,
15:39 <@kanzure> unless you count software
15:40 < Spakz1> Ah, I see
15:40 < ybit> Spakz1: there were several threads in the diybio mailing list on getting started with microfluidics
15:42 < Spakz1> ybit, ah, ok, I'll check it out
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16:08 < Spakz1> So has anyone worked on anything that would really be considered transhuman?
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16:28 < ybit> Spakz1: we would be speaking in 0's and 1's if we really worked on anything that you could call 'transhuman', right? :)
16:29 < Spakz1> Haha fair enough
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17:01 <@kanzure> Spakz1: well the "main proponents" of transhumanism consider advertising to be transhumanist, so be careful
17:03 < Spakz1> What do you mean by that? (not the "be careful" bit)
17:06 <@kanzure> consider humanity+.. all they do is marketing/advertising
17:06 <@kanzure> it's a joke
17:06 <@kanzure> a very very bad oke
17:07 <@kanzure> *joke
17:07 < Spakz1> Ah, I see what you mean now
17:07 < Spakz1> I read humanity+ magazine a few times. It didn't seem to be very well-written
17:08 <@kanzure> no
17:08 <@kanzure> i have lots of stories to tell about that magazine
17:08 < Spakz1> Haha do tell
17:08 <@kanzure> i was directly working for humanity+ for a while
17:08 <@kanzure> i'd rather not! what are your skills
17:09 < ybit> no no! talk bad about them publicly!
17:09 < ybit> gossip is what transhumanism is all about
17:09 <@kanzure> ybit: there's tons of shit in the logs already
17:10 <@kanzure> way more than enough for one lifetime
17:10 <@kanzure> wtf's your problem anyway
17:10 < Spakz1> In terms of useful skills for diybio, I'm a decent programmer. Other than that, I don't have too much to my name. I know a decent amount about bio and chem, but I don't have a lot of knowledge and/or experience with that
17:11 < ybit> kanzure: i have a problem?
17:12 < Spakz1> I don't have a whole lot of book learning in those fields primarily because of my education level though, it's not that I'm not capable of it
17:13 <@kanzure> Spakz1: what sort of programming
17:14 < Spakz1> Kenzure, ususally just general scripting stuff. Not web development if that's what you were getting at
17:15 <@kanzure> what sort of scripting?
17:15 <@kanzure> bash, perl, python?
17:15 < Spakz1> Perl
17:18 <@kanzure> good perl or spaghetti perl
17:18 < Spakz1> yes
17:19 < Spakz1> good perl for designing something I'll make in more than one sitting, spaghetti perl for one-shot scripts
17:20 <@kanzure> Spakz1: check out the cpan module for tecan laboratory automation
17:20 <@kanzure> jonathan cline (in the diybio community) wrote up those modules to assist with library automation
17:20 <@kanzure> *laboratory automation
17:20 <@kanzure> it's a liquid handling robot
17:20 <@kanzure> not too complex but something worth looking at
17:21 < Spakz1> I'll check it out now
17:21 <@kanzure> iirc there's an svn repo for it on sourceforge
17:21 <@kanzure> but for the life of me i can't recall why jonathan chose sourceforge
17:22 < Spakz1> I can't find it on CPAN
17:22 <@kanzure> http://search.cpan.org/~jcline/Robotics-0.23/
17:22 < Spakz1> Ah, cool, thanks!
17:23 < Spakz1> I found it once I searched for authors. Thanks for the link, though
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17:34 < Spakz1> Cool module
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19:41 <@kanzure> i am back
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20:17 < jrayhawk> kanzure does piny qualify as good perl or spaghetti perl
20:17 <@kanzure> it's a mix between good-sysadmin-perl and undecipherable crap
20:17 <@kanzure> ok maybe not undecipherable
20:18 <@kanzure> well, maybe undecipherable but not crap
20:18 < jrayhawk> "undecipherable crap perl" is redundant
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20:20 < jrayhawk> I like that when Perl adds a cleaner type system for itself in the form of Moose, it manages to become *even less* readable.
20:21 < Spakz> Moose is pretty nice, though
20:21 < jrayhawk> True dat. Fuck dynamic typing.
20:22 < Spakz> Haha I sense animosity
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21:01 < Stee|> Job interview coming up :)
21:08 < jrayhawk> protip: wear pants
21:09 <@kanzure> proprotip: pants totally optional
21:09 <@kanzure> if you get the job with no pants you're a boss
21:12 < jrayhawk> i admit to having invoiced a fair number of pantsless billable hours, but i have never tried interviewing that way
21:15 <@kanzure> "Do you mind if i take off my pants? i'm just more comfortable this way"
21:15 <@kanzure> "if we are going to be coding during this interview, i must warn you that i usually code without pants"
21:21 <@kanzure> perhaps this is the evolution of office attire?
21:21 <@kanzure> "We don't wear suits here"
21:21 <@kanzure> "We don't wear ties here"
21:21 <@kanzure> "We don't wear pants here"
21:21 <@kanzure> "We require a formal bathrobe attire at all times."
21:29 < jrayhawk> in that tedx video, aubrey claims that alzheimers and cancer and "so forth" are indistinct from aging
21:30 < jrayhawk> this is sortof a bafflingly stupid thing to say
21:32 < Stee|> phone interview
21:32 < Stee|> I love suits
21:32 < Stee|> suits are awesome.
21:32 < Stee|> anyway
21:33 < Stee|> weapons development
21:33 < Stee|> so go me
21:33 < jrayhawk> do you get to play with said weapons
21:34 < Stee|> prooooobably not
21:35 < jrayhawk> :(
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21:36 < jrayhawk> I have been told in multiple interviews that I probably wouldn't have been hired if I'd shown up in a suit.
21:37 < Stee|> heh
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21:43 < Stee|> not a developer
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23:22 <@kanzure> ah good, openscad is losing the qt dependency
23:27 < Juul> now if they would only loose the opengl 2.0 dependency
23:27 < Juul> grrr stupid old graphics card
23:27 <@kanzure> they should lose all dependencies, except for core libraries like, parsing text
23:28 <@kanzure> qt, visualization (yawn)
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