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05:05 < delinquentme> kanzure, im trying to modify the source path for a python module .. any idea?
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07:20 <@kanzure> delinquentme: uh, just move it?
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10:05 < jcd> Hey jimmy
10:05 < jcd> :P
10:05 < Mariu> hey JC :p
10:05 < jcd> I forget -- you like trance music, right?
10:05 < Mariu> yup
10:05 < jcd> Hang on
10:06 < jcd> http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=S0GC4G9P
10:06 < Mariu> thanks !
10:06 < jcd> Np
10:06 < jcd> Very nice set, the intro is awesome
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11:49  * ybit is looking for a private ebook sharing site
11:50  * ybit is tired of books being deleted on filesonic, depositfiles, megaupload, etc.
11:50 <@kanzure> libgenesis
11:56 < ybit> aha! forgot about it
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13:50 < jcd> Well?
13:50 < jcd> Any immortals here?
13:55 <@kanzure> what does that mean
13:55 < jcd> Well... just checking. In case someone has figured it out.
13:55 < strangewarp> Depends on whether I manage to replace my stupid human body before it hits a failure mode; whether existential continuity is an epistemological red herring; whether there is an afterlife (I like thinking that people will build one, or already have), etc
13:57 < jcd> strangewarp, disregarding any religious bullshit =)
13:57 < jcd> Real immortality.
13:57 <@kanzure> ok, so you're asking if any of us are immortal?
13:57 < jcd> As in, my name is so and so, and I was born on such and such day, and I'm now immortal.
13:57 < jcd> Or close to it.
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14:03 < strangewarp> Question is useless; if it's secret for some reason, you're not getting it by asking; and if it's the slightest bit open, it would already be being pried and prised by everyone and their cousin; and discarding anything speculative, there is nothing left after that.
14:04 < jcd> I'm just curious if someone is working towards anything of that sort.
14:05 < strangewarp> Oh definitely, lots of work on it, but nobody is in a position to yet say that they are absolutely sure they have hacked themself into immortality.
14:05 < Mariu> !
14:16 < strangewarp> Basically, presently, it requires some bold assumptions about how medical science will progress, to say that you are probably immortal. And that takes gall, especially in a decade where all mainstream people are going into an ultra-doomy zeitgeist.
14:17 < jcd> I am not concerned about the mainstream.
14:17 < jcd> Breakthroughts, breakthroughts.
14:18 < strangewarp> Indeed, I am just particularly alienated by the mainstream mood presently ;)
14:19 < jcd> What are they trying to cure these days?
14:21 < strangewarp> There's a promising AIDS vaccine going through human testing, knock on wood
14:23 < jcd> I won't knock on wood, unless the thing goes airborne.
14:23 < jcd> Not my interest group, if you know what I mean =)
14:25 < strangewarp> Entirely. I avoid relationships. But it's definitely a good development.
14:26 < jcd> Honestly, it's hardly relevant to the issue of me not dying of old age.
14:27 < strangewarp> I probably know the least relevant material for answering that question, since I'm the engineering channel's token artist, so I will just poke everyone else to give you some meaty responses. :p
14:28 < jcd> hah
14:28 < jcd> Please do!
14:30 < jcd> Well?
14:30 <@kanzure> jcd: i'm glad you're not concerned about the mainstream,
14:30 < jcd> :(
14:30 < jcd> Is that sarcasm, kanzure? :)
14:30 <@kanzure> no
14:31 <@kanzure> maybe you should do some reading?
14:31 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
14:31 < jcd> I hate reading.
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14:31 <@kanzure> wait.. what?
14:31 <@kanzure> so you're not interested in mainstream longevity (bleh)
14:31 < jcd> I hate reading because, if I find something in there that I have thought of, I'll get into a nice fit of creativity-related OCD that'll paralyze me for a week.
14:31 <@kanzure> but you're also unwilling to figure it out on your own
14:31 <@kanzure> so.. good luck with that
14:31 < jcd> But, if someone summarizes a finding for me, I can get away with it.
14:32 < jcd> Oh I'm perfectly willing to figure it out on my own, but it never hurts to share data.
14:32 <@kanzure> i just did
14:32 <@kanzure> but you said you hate it :/
14:33 < jcd> I hate reading other people's ingenious inventions. But if it's some pragmatic thing, or simply someone's statement of intent, then it can be worked with!
14:33 < uniqanomaly_> jcd: cover your eyes for 1 fucking day then get back here and say you don't like reading
14:33 < jcd> hah
14:34 < uniqanomaly_> you feel like 'challenge accepted'?
14:34 < uniqanomaly_> ;]
14:34 <@kanzure> o.o
14:34 <@kanzure> well anyway, you should do some reading
14:34 < jcd> Alrighty then.
14:34 < jcd> I retract the question.
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14:39 <@kanzure> jcd: it's only somewhat related to your question
14:40 < jcd> What is?
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14:45 <@kanzure> jcd: the links
14:46 <@kanzure> i suspect you're retracting your question because you think the details of maybe accomplishing longevity are uninteresting
14:47 < jcd> No, it is because the positions of all concerned are reasonably clear.
14:47 <@kanzure> yep i don't know what we're talking about any more
14:48 <@kanzure> are you saying: your interest in longevity or possibly accomplishing longevity-related projects is less than your interest in knowing whether or not there are immortals in here?
14:50 < jcd> Well... let me put it this way. I have an idea or two, but they've thus far been expressed in macro terms. I was curious if anyone else has thought of this, also.
14:51 < jcd> Backing off of that a bit, I'm also interested in learning how you, individually, view the subject of biological (and I emphasize -- biological) immortality or a state close to it.
14:51 < jcd> That's all.
14:51 <@kanzure> how i view the subject?
14:51 <@kanzure> well, i review the literature, if that's what you mean
14:51 < jcd> Well, yes. Do you have a favorite approach?
14:52 < jcd> A strategy, perhaps? Something that you're convinced might work?
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14:52 <@kanzure> there's lots of notes in that directory i linked you to, with a few strategies outlined and reviewed
14:52 <@kanzure> but i wouldn't go as far as saying any of them are a favorite
14:53 < jcd> You don't have one then?
14:54 <@kanzure> not really?
14:54 <@kanzure> what?
14:54 < jcd> You're trying to alter the tissues of an organism, some organism. You're trying to make it pass the Hayflick limit.
14:55 < jcd> How would you do it?
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14:56 < strangewarp> Applied theology.
14:56 < strangewarp> o:)
14:56 <@kanzure> jcd: well, it depends on my constraints
14:56 <@kanzure> in certain situations it's more efficient to just replace the body with a blood infusion machine
14:57 <@kanzure> oxygen-blood infusing machine
14:57 < jcd> Fair enough. But suppose that you did not wish to pursue that route.
14:57 < jcd> Your constraint is to remain more or less human.
14:57 < jcd> More so than less -- minimal disfigurement.
14:58 < jcd> That means no neural interface sci-fi, no jumping into a clone. You're just working with cells.
14:59 <@kanzure> hey, why are you willing to read what i type but not what i typed previously in those .txt iles?
14:59 <@kanzure> just go read those
14:59  * kanzure will bbl
14:59 < jcd> k
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15:16  * ybit never found the rtmp address for the video
15:16  * ybit downloaded the video via downloadhelper in ffox
15:16  * ybit also misread everything kanzure said the other day
15:17 < Mariu> ybit try something that handles the rtmp protocol
15:17 < ybit> rtmpdump
15:17 < ybit> rtmpdump -r rtmp://streamingmedia.wolfram.com/ondemand isn't going to work though
15:17 < ybit> it needs to be more specific
15:18 < ybit> yeah?
15:21 < ybit> ah
15:21 < ybit> wolframalpha_overview_700.flv in http://www.wolframalpha.com/flash/vidconfig-about.xml
15:21 < ybit> wolframalpha_overview_700_PIP.flv as well
15:23 < ybit> rtmpdump -r rtmp://streamingmedia.wolfram.com/ondemand/wolframalpha_overview_700.flv is a negative
15:25 < ybit> guess i might try --swfUrl <swf-address>
15:26 <@kanzure> yeah you'll need to know something about the rtmp protocol to figure out how to construct a request
15:26 <@kanzure> if you want to be a cheater,
15:26 <@kanzure> you can close out all your internet shit
15:26 <@kanzure> and open up wireshark
15:26 <@kanzure> monitor http port 80 incoming/outgoing while you load that page and play the video
15:26 <@kanzure> then filter by streamingmedia.wolfram.com's ip address
15:27 < ybit> is the port necessary or will rtmpdump just assume a standard port?
15:27  * ybit decides to cheat
15:28 <@kanzure> i think rtmp runs on a custom port
15:28 <@kanzure> it's just some mangled form of http iirc
15:28 <@kanzure> btw your other option is to use swfdump, but that's too extreme
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17:07 <@kanzure> http://opensource.com/life/11/12/open-source-changes-face-stenography-and-possibilities-hearing-impaired
17:08 <@kanzure> "typing at 255 wpm shouldn't cost $4000"
17:08 <@kanzure> something something about plover
17:08 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3467782
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17:30 < ybit> http://www.openvsp.org/ :: "At the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics Aerospace Sciences Meeting in Nashville, NASA engineers unveiled the newly open sourced OpenVSP, software that allows users to construct full aircraft models from simple parameters such as wing span and fuselage length, under the NASA Open Source Agreement."
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17:43 <@kanzure> huh
17:44 <@kanzure> it uses opennurbs :/
17:47 <@kanzure> seems to be a set of patches
17:47 <@kanzure> https://github.com/OpenVSP/OpenVSP/blob/master/src/vsp/SurfPatch.h
17:53 <@kanzure> i'm not impressed by their examples
17:53 <@kanzure> https://github.com/OpenVSP/OpenVSP/blob/master/examples/models/777_200LR.vsp
17:55 <@kanzure> https://github.com/OpenVSP/OpenVSP/blob/master/examples/models/777_200LR.vsp
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20:22 <@kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/
20:23 <@kanzure> editor plugin for high-speed htmling
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23:13 < Mariu> see you guys
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