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07:12 < strangewarp> [14:14] <poptire> saw a blue pontiac going down s. 1st today with the plates TRNSHMN
07:12 < strangewarp> the Train Shaman? I love that guy!
07:19 < strangewarp> RE last night's convo: lately, black metal has had the same focusing effect on me that trance music had when I was a teen. But I'm trying to become a professional musician so my tastes may have become weird
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07:22 < delinquentme> OMGHAI
07:22 < strangewarp> lolsz haey
07:23 < delinquentme> ^_^
07:23 < delinquentme> feeling kick ass today
07:23 < strangewarp> sweet :o
07:24 < delinquentme> just found out about a way to break JS validation on websites :P
07:24 < delinquentme> apparently its as easy as deactivating JS on a web ppage to bypass any JS based form validation
07:24 < delinquentme> (SO GOOD)
07:25 < archels> You don't say.
07:26 < delinquentme> i do!
07:26 < delinquentme> i feel powerful
07:26 < delinquentme> lolol
07:26 < delinquentme> and slightly evil
07:28 < fenn> or you could just use the js console..
07:29 < delinquentme> fenn, yeah I remember trying that before but the script was telling me my inputs were bad
07:30 < delinquentme> I was futzing with this one python testing website which gives out $$ for correct answers
07:30 < delinquentme> so I was basically trying to shoot it some bad strings to have it be like " YEW WAN HAxx()r"
07:30 < delinquentme> `'"
07:30 < delinquentme> etc
07:31 < delinquentme> i was actually able to break it a few times and got a 500 from it .. but i wasnt sure where to go from there
07:31 < fenn> kanzure: jrayhawk: any idea why fennetic.net disappeared? (i dont see it in sites-enabled, or anywhere else for that matter)
07:31 < delinquentme> was basically the case where the data was properly formed but was content-less
07:56 < fenn> gah now it's back. or something. *grumble*
08:12 < delinquentme> LOVE IT
08:12 < delinquentme> joyful yet brutal
08:13 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMJGy3v7T4M
08:13 < delinquentme> so technical bu SUPPPER major-ey sounding and just brutal as hell
08:13 < delinquentme> palm mutes and stops are the sexness
08:13 < Lucas__> `by the gods
08:14 < Lucas__> I never could have imagined that someone here listens to similar  music to me
08:16 < Lucas__> have you ever listened to TesseracT, <delinquentme>?
08:16 < delinquentme> Lucas__, #noHomo but i feel a brodown coming on
08:16 < delinquentme> name is familiar
08:16 < delinquentme> got a youtube link for me?
08:17 < delinquentme> im sitting here buzzing on caffeine w pretty girls walkking about listening to mejjjal #goodAssTimes
08:17 < Lucas__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ims89OiP1Ro
08:17 < Lucas__> transhumanists that listen to djent
08:18 < Lucas__> I thought I was the only one
08:18 < delinquentme> Lucas__, righteous anger is a lovely thing
08:19 < delinquentme> and MAN does it feel good to dig down and let a little bit of that fury seep out
08:19 < delinquentme> R.A.W.R.
08:19 < delinquentme> Lucas__, do you play anything?  I've been meaning to work on the screams man.. that false vocal chord shit
08:19 < delinquentme> <3
08:19 < Lucas__> I really like ambient djent.  It is excellent for training parkour or martial arts
08:20 < delinquentme> ambient djent??
08:20 < delinquentme> moar links?
08:20 < Lucas__> it is basically stuff like TesseracT, but here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cEU2kj68Is
08:21 < Lucas__> I want to have this on the first parkour video I put out
08:22 < delinquentme> alright running the tesseract
08:22 < delinquentme> 9 minute song!
08:22 < delinquentme> hot.
08:23  * delinquentme drooling all over self
08:23  * delinquentme wipes that shit up
08:24 < Lucas__> yup
08:25 < delinquentme> Lucas__, I donno about the singer
08:25 < delinquentme> reminds me a little of rhapsody
08:25 < delinquentme> or DT
08:26 < delinquentme> mannn fuck fate!
08:26 < delinquentme> YEH!
08:26 < Lucas__> I prefer that to harsh lyrics - everyone does it.   And the way he is fadded into the song kinda turns his voice into an instrument
08:26 < Lucas__> I like it
08:26 < delinquentme> oh the mastering on it is brilliant
08:26 < delinquentme> and its really working as a cohesive unit
08:26 < delinquentme> timings are amazing as well
08:26 < delinquentme> reminiscent of .....
08:26 < delinquentme> who are those.. MESSUGAH
08:26 < delinquentme> crazy ass swedes
08:27 < delinquentme> black dhalia murder has my fav single right now w "deathmask divine"
08:28 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgxAaCjsYq0
08:28 < delinquentme> OH MAN CAFFEINE AND METAL IM GETTING THE SHAKES ####MANIC
08:28 < delinquentme> <3
08:30 < Lucas__> good to find another metal fan
08:40 < delinquentme> ^^^^
08:41 < delinquentme> whatever gets you motivated
08:46 < strangewarp> Not really a Black Dahlia Murder fan, myself
08:46 < strangewarp> Been listening to metal bands like Septic Flesh a lot lately: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlom58cdyzs
08:48 < strangewarp> Basically I've found a reliable reviewer on metal-archives with decent tastes (autothrall), and I take a look at anything he gives a decent review. It's been working pretty well so far
08:48 < delinquentme> good process ^^
08:49 < delinquentme> .. that annoying thing when you open a new tab on youtube in chrome and it begins to blink like mad
08:49 < delinquentme> too much google vertical integration!!!
08:49 < strangewarp> haha
08:50 < delinquentme> BDM has the craziest shrill screamer
08:50 < delinquentme> love that shit
08:51 < delinquentme> REMOVAL OF THE EYES GIVES MY HEART A SUDDEN CHILL ! I PRESERVE THEM IN FORMALDEHYDE TO GAZE UPON AT WILL!
08:51 < delinquentme> madness.
08:51 < strangewarp> Solefald did some fucking brutal shrill screams on The Linear Scaffold. Very front-and-center on that album. They're an avant-garde black metal band with interesting songwriting..
08:52 < Lucas__> I swear I am going to play these songs when I get my implants
08:52 < strangewarp> Taake does them too, and he's pretty rad
08:52 < strangewarp> .. oh, just realized that video cuts out prematurely. fffffuuuuu youtube...
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08:55 < delinquentme> ppl actually play this shit with human arms
08:55 < delinquentme> lol
08:55 < delinquentme> yeah
08:55 < delinquentme> ppl rock
08:56 < strangewarp> I'm working on an electronic setup that will let me play metal with some degree of live improvisation, and all the synthesis is analog or digital-analog. Had to write a custom sequencer.. and I'm slacking again on the programming front, arr
08:57 < strangewarp> this being, er, MIDI sequencing, not gene sequencing :p [just remembered I'm in hplusroadmap]
08:58 < eudoxia> so uh I'm reading the logs
08:58 < eudoxia> are you high
08:58 < strangewarp> oh god
08:58 < strangewarp> no, just talkative about odd and tangential subjects, since that's where all my specialized knowledge is..
09:00 < strangewarp> Can't speak for delinquentme though :p
09:01 < delinquentme> ~_~;;;;;;;;;;;;;
09:01 < delinquentme> strangewarp, theres a program >> synth out there
09:02 < delinquentme> that like you can write code to generate music
09:02 < delinquentme> posted about it on FB a while back
09:02 < delinquentme> if you wanna track it down " carl cardiac crott "
09:02 < strangewarp> Oh, I know about those, DAWs and otherwise.. I just don't like VST synthesis, it paralyzes me with the infinite potential, and thereby turns arbitrary :p
09:03 < strangewarp> same with samples
09:03 < delinquentme> that shits powerful man
09:03 < delinquentme> computers >>> taking over everaaah thang
09:03 < delinquentme> literally you could setup a machine learning process to design and tweak an algo to generate music you like
09:04 < delinquentme> run a SLA on that
09:05 < strangewarp> I've got a system hacked together out of old electronics and Gameboys and homemade effects pedals, and it sounds surprisingly.. doom-metal. I've considered my process to be an alternative to the DAW methodology, I guess...
09:06 < strangewarp> All run off a centralized MIDI-NOTE sequencer, which, now that I'm talking about it, I'm motivated to debug.. (had a coding marathon to finish it up at the start of the month, and there's one annoying bug left that I have to change things around to fix)
09:07 < strangewarp> I am a bit concerned about the infinite potential of DAW music-creation environments leading to maximalist attitudes and arbitrary-sounding products..
09:10 < delinquentme> eudoxia, you wanna get caffeine manic too?
09:10 < delinquentme> strangewarp, infinite possibility is sometimes overwhelming
09:14 < delinquentme> but thats another crazy thing .. w pandora .. and myspace
09:14 < delinquentme> like the music spreading thing is SOLVED
09:15 < delinquentme> so like advertising your shit is useless
09:15 < delinquentme> if you wanna make music you dont advertise .. you fucking get good
09:15 < delinquentme> and people will find you
09:15 < delinquentme> i guess thats a principle in any saturated field
09:15 < delinquentme> wanna be a pro athlete? get good, and youll be found
09:16 < strangewarp> I'll be doing some advertisement, once I've got some cohesive material, but it'll be coordinated advertisement to get the ball rolling
09:16 < strangewarp> I live in Boulder, which is a bullshit town, so I'll probably need to prod things along
09:18 < strangewarp> But yeah, so far as music goes, the superb bands seem to now range from "successful" to "becoming moderately successful", spare for the sad cases of bands that are amazing but very niche..
09:18 < strangewarp> (These, of course, being "successful" as seen by musicians, which means "I can pay for my own food and housing")
09:19 < delinquentme> "ramen profitable"
09:19 < strangewarp> ha, yes
09:23 < strangewarp> Pandora is kind of.. blergh, actually
09:24 < strangewarp> they require all bands to be signed to labels, and the legalese has some weird licensing stuff, from what I've heard
09:24 < strangewarp> So, not very good for new bands.
09:25 < kanzure> fenn: jrayhawk was messing with apache config a few weeks ago. maybe that was it?
09:25 < kanzure> jrayhawk: ping?
09:39 < kanzure> delinquentme: got anything else like deathmask?
09:39 < delinquentme> kanzure, you like that???
09:40 < kanzure> i'm a bit of a metal headd
09:40 < delinquentme> what aspects are you looking for ... listening to miss may I right now .. they're hella hot
09:40 < delinquentme> fuck rite!
09:40 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2KQ0FAOHsI&ob=av2n << #bestOfTheBes
09:40 < delinquentme> t
09:41 < klafka> instead of pandora there was an interesting site that used soundcloud tag clouds
09:41 < delinquentme> AND BECOME A COLLOSUS OF MY OWWWWNnnn
09:41 < delinquentme> pandora has retards working on anything other than jazz
09:41 < delinquentme> I added one freaking song on my metal list and ended up getting RHCP
09:42 < delinquentme> they need more granular shit .. and they need to analyze it on a deeper level than " double b ass drums and screaming"
09:42 < kanzure> try turntable
09:42 < kanzure> or echonest
09:43 < delinquentme> its really crazy to me how people relate so much to ONLY those people they grew up with
09:44 < delinquentme> maybe its just me bc im a child of the interwebs .. but damn man ... just bc they were your friends doesnt mean they need to continue to be your friends
09:44 < delinquentme> define who you are!
09:46 < kanzure> error not defined
10:02 < strangewarp> Just listen to Septic Flesh. They are definitely the metal band's metal band :p
10:02  * strangewarp bias
10:05 < strangewarp> Though, stay away from "Revolution DNA". That album was a bad stab at nu-metal, before everyone realized that nu-metal was an awful manufactured trend that was usually musically boring.
10:05 < klafka> delinquentme agreed
10:06 < klafka> people who are friends because they've known the people
10:06 < strangewarp> Nakamas tend to age into townies, yeah..
10:07 < delinquentme> guys have no excuse
10:07  * delinquentme bites tongue .. actually ill skip that sexist convo :D
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10:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, moar brutal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34FOKDqQN9s&ob=av2n
10:20 < kanzure> a bit better
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10:21 < kanzure> hah yeah i like it
10:24 < kanzure> now, can you find me this in japanese
10:26 < delinquentme> miss may I in japanese?
10:26 < delinquentme> thats hella niche
10:26 < kanzure> well, doesn't have to be miss may i
10:26 < delinquentme> are you ever out in public and see chicks acting up w some dude and you just wanna smack em?
10:26 < delinquentme> #trueStory
10:26 < delinquentme> ohhh japanese metal
10:26 < delinquentme> they're huge fans of the mag guitar over there :D
10:27 < kanzure> there's a very specific set of behaviors that you can run to fix that situation:
10:27 < kanzure> 1) go up to the guy, act like you know him
10:27 < kanzure> "hey bro, it's been forever, how you doing?"
10:27 < kanzure> "oh my god, is this your girl? WOW"
10:27 < kanzure> then you somehow invite them to something nearby- a coffee shop, anything
10:27 < kanzure> get her number
10:27 < kanzure> start inviting her to things
10:29 < Lucas__> woah, Kanzure is a metal head as well?
10:29 < Lucas__> interesting times
10:29 < delinquentme> kanzure, very good!
10:29 < delinquentme> thats a hella work around
10:29 < delinquentme> save if the dude plays along
10:30 < delinquentme> but if you break to the part of pointing out her behavior fast enough
10:30 < delinquentme> he might
10:31 < kanzure> her behavior? huh?
10:31 < kanzure> are you aiming to steal the chick or smack the chick
10:36 < delinquentme> nah just point out that shes acting out
10:36 < delinquentme> "keep that hoe in line" in a sociall acceptable manner
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10:37 < delinquentme> kanzure, you'd be good @ pickup
10:37 < delinquentme> thats some natural shit right there
10:38  * strangewarp rolling eyes
10:43 < delinquentme> =]
10:43 < delinquentme> pickup is a funny thing
10:43 < delinquentme> its like religion :D
10:46 < delinquentme> oh and kanzure BDM - everything went black
10:46 < delinquentme> dat dubbl bass
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11:10 < klafka> well now we know delinquentme  is a PUA
11:10 < delinquentme> used to lol
11:19 < delinquentme> relocate!
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11:22 < ybit> internet is back!
11:28 < ybit> Lucas__: thanks for linking to Vildhjarta's Traces
11:28 < Lucas__> np
11:28 < ybit> at some point i was listening to Rammstein as background music since i couldn't understand what they are saying
11:29 < ybit> i could probably get into vocal-free metal or more foreign metal i can't understand
11:31  * ybit listens to sun o))) 
11:36 < kvltist> http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/johnmurrayspear.html <- tl;dr: insane guy who believed he was contacted by the spirits of benjamin franklin and alike who told him about electric thinking machines, global telepathic networks and improved sewing machines … constructed a mechanical messiah. (weird)
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11:39 < kanzure> ybit: if you like rammstein, try e nomine (like e nomine - heilig)
11:39 < kanzure> i mean, for the incomprehensible part
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11:41 < delinquentme> yeap I only _THINK_ I know whats going on when I program
11:41 < delinquentme> who all in here is in SF??
11:41 < delinquentme> anyone?
11:47 < jrayhawk> fenn: RewriteRule ^(.+) /srv/www/%{SERVER_NAME}%{REQUEST_URI} in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/0000-default-new
11:48 < jrayhawk> If you need fancier configuration, feel free to write a specific fennetic.net VirtualHost
11:48 < jrayhawk> or bug me and I can get around to it.
11:48 < delinquentme> klafka, where du live?
11:48 < delinquentme> kanzure, you're in texas right?
11:49 < kanzure> yes
11:49 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trGkPerU3-k
11:49 < kanzure> hi aristarchus
11:49 < ybit> "Powerglove is a video game/speed metal band."
11:49 < kanzure> delinquentme: i forget who's in sf at the moment. klafka is moving into that area..
11:49 < ybit> instrumental metal video game music...
11:49 < aristarchus> hello
11:49 < kanzure> delinquentme: saurik is in sf
11:50 < kanzure> delinquentme: i think ziyadb
11:50 < aristarchus> ybit: love powerglove haha
11:50 < delinquentme> nice!
11:50 < delinquentme> i might have found a job so :D
11:50 < kanzure> yeah, you mentioned that,
11:50 < kanzure> what job is it?
11:50 < delinquentme> too early to tell but the guys seem really excited to have found me
11:50 < kanzure> and why won't you let me pay you to do things
11:51 < delinquentme> kanzure, we gotta diversify the income
11:51 < delinquentme> its like all investments
11:51 < delinquentme> this is all private investors sponsoring this company so its good stuff
11:51 < delinquentme> 2.2m in funding so far
11:51 < kanzure> what's the company?
11:51 < delinquentme> but I gotta see what Pitt is gonna offer me
11:51 < delinquentme> Counsyl
11:52 < kanzure> ah nice
11:52 < kanzure> gene counseling
11:52 < delinquentme> they do baby testing
11:52 < delinquentme> ya!
11:52 < delinquentme> ill be in the perfect spot and working with all the right kinda of toys
11:52 < delinquentme> should be sickness
11:52 < kanzure> you know about surrogate pregnancies, right?
11:52 < delinquentme> you mean about implanting them in a surrogate mother or the 3 way baby stuff
11:53 < kanzure> surrogate mother
11:53 < delinquentme> yeah
11:53 < kanzure> i think patri friedman did this for his kid
11:53 < delinquentme> oh thats cool
11:53 < kanzure> isn't unreasonable to do some genetics work beforehand
11:53 < kanzure> even simple stuff, like sequencing
11:54 < kanzure> counsyl seems to be post-fertilization
12:03 < klafka> kanzure i moved to sf
12:03 < klafka> i've been here 2 weeks now
12:03 < kanzure> where you at in sf?
12:03 < klafka> inner richmond
12:04 < klafka> on my friends couch
12:04 < klafka> i really want to find a sublet for feb 1st
12:13 < kanzure> my rent is up end of february in austin
12:13 < kanzure> i'm thinking about moving to sf, but haven't put in the time yet
12:13 < kanzure> *lease is up
12:16 < klafka> aah
12:16 < klafka> finding apts in sf SUCKS
12:16 < kanzure> i'm an idiot
12:16 < kanzure> delinquentme: fenn is in sf.
12:16 < klafka> yeah
12:16 < delinquentme> nice
12:17 < klafka> has he decidd to respond to outside communications?
12:17 < kanzure> yes
12:17 < kanzure> he's on today, it seems
12:17 < kanzure> his place might have some rooms open for new tenants
12:17 < delinquentme> i plan on just doing the airbnb $20 / night place till I find a place to sleep
12:17 < klafka> oh really?
12:17 < klafka> fenn fenn
12:17 < delinquentme> other nice thing about startups
12:17 < klafka> ping me dammit
12:17 < kanzure> klafka: i gave you his number..
12:17 < delinquentme> you can be like GIMMAH COUCH
12:18 < klafka> delinquentme is your startup in sf or peninsula or valley
12:18 < klafka> he never responded to me then either
12:18 < klafka> :P
12:18 < kanzure> you called?
12:18 < delinquentme> it got the addy on their wubsite
12:18 < klafka> i txt'd
12:18 < klafka> i hate calling
12:18 < kanzure> i don't know if he does texts
12:18 < kanzure> ah, he does do texts
12:18 < klafka> aah
12:18 < kanzure> he was probably sleeping anyway
12:18 < klafka> aah
12:18 < klafka> possibly
12:19 < klafka> but yeah idefo need a short term like 3-5 month sort of situation atm
12:19 < kanzure> well, when i move up there, we can be homeless together
12:19 < klafka> cool
12:19 < klafka> sounds good
12:20 < klafka> oh it's in redwood city
12:20 < klafka> that's the stop before me on caltrain
12:21 < kanzure> fenn is in sf, you'd have to do bart+caltrain
12:21 < klafka> i know
12:22 < klafka> i do muni + caltrain already
12:22 < kanzure> klafka: you can also try asking around in #startups
12:22 < klafka> idk are the people in startups INTENSELY STARTUP
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12:22 < klafka> if you sort of understand me
12:23 < kanzure> i don't understand you
12:23 < kanzure> they are people in startups on irc. what's not to like?
12:23 < delinquentme> dear JESUS
12:23 < klafka> those people that are obsessed with being the next zuckerberg
12:23 < kanzure> no
12:23 < delinquentme> st. Ronald jenkees bring me patience
12:23 < klafka> ok
12:24 < delinquentme> klafka, who you working far?
12:24 < klafka> badgeville
12:24 < kanzure> badgebadgers
12:24 < kanzure> oh
12:24 < delinquentme> badgeville?
12:24 < klafka> badgeville
12:24 < klafka> http://www.badgeville.com/
12:25 < klafka> white label gamification platform
12:25 < delinquentme> what did they say about your exp in bio?
12:25 < klafka> i mean they were glad i was smart
12:25 < klafka> but it wasn't really applicable
12:25 < delinquentme> hmmm
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12:27 < delinquentme> klafka, you should apply to halcyon :D
12:28 < delinquentme> you do know they're looking for bioinformatics kids right?
12:28 < kanzure> heh they rejected me
12:28 < delinquentme> can you program in haskell?
12:28 < klafka> no
12:28 < eudoxia> their loss
12:28 < kanzure> i don't really think they have a plan
12:28 < kanzure> "sell microscopes" meh
12:28 < klafka> http://www.halcyonbioconsulting.com/ this company?
12:28 < kanzure> or "sequence lots of genomes and then maybe this will magically turn into longevity"
12:28 < klafka> no
12:28 < eudoxia> is Halcyon that company that is "secretly an uploading company"
12:28 < kanzure> halcyon molecular
12:29 < kanzure> eudoxia: not really; they hired an uploader person, if that's what you mean
12:29 < klafka> delinquentme i wasn't terribly interested in bioinformatics companies
12:29 < klafka> frankly
12:29 < delinquentme> http://halcyonmolecular.com/
12:29 < delinquentme> O_o;;
12:29 < kanzure> in terms of dna sequencing itself, maybe you should do pacbio if anything
12:29 < delinquentme> whut
12:29 < delinquentme> klafka, y?
12:29 < klafka> kanzure i would love to
12:29 < kanzure> i'm not entirely convinced they are going to win the sequencing race
12:29 < klafka> pacbo?
12:29 < klafka> :(
12:29 < klafka> don't say that
12:29 < klafka> i bought stock in them
12:29 < kanzure> halcyon?
12:29 < delinquentme> pacbo is in deep legal
12:30 < klafka> oh really?
12:30 < klafka> over what?
12:30 < delinquentme> klafka, you know the replaced the CEO
12:30 < klafka> oh wow
12:30 < klafka> why?
12:30 < delinquentme> accuracy percentages in their reads
12:30 < klafka> no i haven't been following
12:30 < klafka> uggh
12:30 < delinquentme> its at like 80 ... and they claimed 99+
12:30 < delinquentme> they're still fighting though
12:31 < delinquentme> keep an eye on schadt though
12:31 < delinquentme> their ex CSO
12:31 < delinquentme> or something
12:31 < delinquentme> hes deep in mt sainai stuff
12:31 < delinquentme> so thats hella hopeful bc all the big pockets up in NY are interested in bio
12:31 < delinquentme> they got $$ to make it happen ... we just gotta push ahead w the science
12:31 < klafka> aah
12:31 < delinquentme> which is why klafka you should be @ halcyon
12:32 < delinquentme> instead of gamifying :D
12:32 < klafka> oh schadt left too?
12:32 < kanzure> again, what's halcyon's actual plan
12:32 < klafka> damn
12:32 < kanzure> have you talked with them deliquentme?
12:32 < delinquentme> schadt got a killer contract and is still on as an advisor
12:32 < ziyadb> kanzure: hello!
12:32 < klafka> aah
12:32 < delinquentme> kanzure, i wouldn't worry about halcyon
12:32 < kanzure> erm
12:32 < delinquentme> they've got their shit together
12:32 < kanzure> um
12:32 < kanzure> well, after talking with them, i'm not convinced of that
12:32 < klafka> lol
12:32 < kanzure> maybe they told you different things?
12:33 < delinquentme> speaking frankly when your backup plan is electron microscopes
12:33 < delinquentme> yeah
12:33 < kanzure> that's what they told me.
12:33 < delinquentme> thats awesome IMO
12:33 < kanzure> they also said that their approach to longevity is "sequence everything and get medical records and hopefully do lots of data mining magic"
12:33 < kanzure> maybe they told you something different?
12:33 < delinquentme> they're approaching longevity from a traction standpoint
12:34 < delinquentme> look at it as a startup
12:34 < kanzure> ?
12:34 < delinquentme> albeit one of the biggest nastiest startups
12:34 < delinquentme> traction = $$$
12:34 < delinquentme> $$$ = survival
12:34 < kanzure> traction in what ?
12:34 < delinquentme> customers
12:34 < kanzure> customers buying microscopes?
12:34 < delinquentme> sequencing by electron microscopy ( when they get it working )
12:34 < delinquentme> will be HUGE
12:35 < kanzure> ok, so they want sequencing traction because..?
12:35 < delinquentme> more funding
12:35 < kanzure> i mean, there's already a race to the bottom on sequencing
12:35 < kanzure> they can rely on that pretty well
12:35 < kanzure> so i don't know why they are treating that as a problem towards longevity
12:35 < delinquentme> but the difference is the read lengths
12:35 < delinquentme> everyone right now
12:35 < kanzure> i'm not convinced that this is a reliable plan for longevity, sorry
12:36 < delinquentme> is fucking around with "how long can we feed DNA through micropores"
12:36 < klafka> oh i may have found a potential place
12:36 < delinquentme> no its a reliable plan for longevity bc they're the closest startup to making $_$ and they've got a stated interest in it
12:36 < kanzure> klafka: if not, you should just do the airbnb thing like delinquentme is doing
12:36 < klafka> kanzure i'm just crashing with my friend
12:36 < delinquentme> halcyon says fuck all that ghetto molecular clogging
12:36 < klafka> rather do that than airbnb
12:36 < kanzure> delinquentme: just because they claim to have an interest in it, doesn't mean their strategy is smart
12:37 < delinquentme> kanzure, but they're closer than anyone
12:37 < kanzure> because they have money?
12:37 < delinquentme> no!
12:37 < klafka> do they/
12:37 < delinquentme> because their technology is SO SO SO close to hitting
12:37 < kanzure> they have maybe 10mil left iirc
12:37 < delinquentme> they're also undersigned by the wildest minds in SF
12:38 < delinquentme> as I said so long as they're making progress I dont think we have to worry about those guys :D
12:38 < kanzure> so their closer to longevity than anyone, is your claim?
12:38 < delinquentme> no
12:38 < kanzure> i'm not trying to be thickheaded; i think they we need companies going after longevity
12:39 < kanzure> but they also need strategy
12:39 < delinquentme> they are the <del>closest</del> only startup nearing profitability w a longevity statement
12:39 < delinquentme> which they have!
12:39 < kanzure> "longevity statement" ain't a longevity strategy
12:39 < delinquentme> no the current longevity strat is " get money to pursue it "
12:39 < delinquentme> which is REAL
12:39 < delinquentme> its more traction than what anyone else has
12:39 < klafka> LOL
12:39 < klafka> oh right
12:39 < kanzure> "get money to <do x> where we don't know what x is"
12:40 < eudoxia> kanz you are not satisfied with anything
12:40 < kanzure> eudoxia: i'm satisfied by many things, just not these answers
12:40 < klafka> oh you guys are talking about a strategy for life extension
12:40 < delinquentme> kanzure, is there anyone closer
12:40 < klafka> not a business strategy
12:40 < delinquentme> ill put it this way
12:40 < kanzure> klafka: yes!
12:40 < klafka> heh
12:40 < delinquentme> theres TONS of legit scientists out there .... and when ppl put money there the mouth is
12:40 < delinquentme> you can follow the cash to the best bets
12:40 < kanzure> like maybe they're testing some gene therapies to extend stem cell niche renewal; that would make sense to me
12:40 < klafka> ...
12:41 < delinquentme> klafka, both
12:41 < delinquentme> they're overlapping
12:41 < klafka> delinquentme i think that atm there is foundational research that hasn't been done to find an actionable plan to real life extension
12:41 < delinquentme> im saying that the longevity strat for halcyon is the fact that they're interested and theyre poised to survive
12:41 < kanzure> klafka: ehh i think there has been, actually
12:41 < klafka> oh?
12:41 < kanzure> klafka: but it's not necessarily SENS
12:41 < kanzure> there's tons of work that has been done
12:41 < klafka> kanzure are you talking about like CR ?
12:41 < kanzure> no not CR :)
12:41 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
12:42 < delinquentme> nuclear cell comatri transfer + synthetic DNA
12:42 < klafka> delinquentme so you're saying their strategy is 'we must do it because otherwise we'll go out of business and we want to do it'
12:42 < kanzure> there's lots of theories for sure, but "sequence everything" isn't going to help you test them
12:42 < delinquentme> you've got replaceable organs
12:42 < delinquentme> somatic cell nuclear transfer**
12:42 < klafka> delinquentme i think you're so so so so underestimating the difficulties involved
12:42 < delinquentme> klafka, i know I am .. however.
12:42 < kanzure> deliquentme is correct that money can help solve the difficulties
12:43 < klafka> kanzure it's true it can but generally you have to start with an IDEA
12:43 < delinquentme> if you can make a business work that is street cred to say " im not going to lose the money you invest"
12:43 < klafka> before the money is useful
12:43 < kanzure> their idea is sequencing
12:43 < kanzure> so this is why i am not convinced of their strategy.
12:43 < delinquentme> nononon
12:43 < delinquentme> kanzure,
12:43 < delinquentme> their idea is NOT
12:43 < delinquentme> sequencing
12:43 < kanzure> ok?
12:43 < delinquentme> their VESSEL
12:43 < klafka> then what is their idea?
12:43 < delinquentme> is sequencing
12:43 < delinquentme> their METHOD
12:43 < delinquentme> survive and gather up good talent
12:43 < kanzure> heh
12:43 < kanzure> we're doomed
12:43 < delinquentme> thats all ive got to say about it
12:43 < klafka> that's not an idea
12:44 < delinquentme> klafka, kanzure its better than what anyone else has got
12:44 < delinquentme> so thats why im sticking w those kids
12:44 < klafka> if i have an understanding of hwat it takes to make a unicorn
12:44 < delinquentme> kk back to work
12:44 < klafka> it doesn't mean my unicorn making idea is feasible
12:44 < delinquentme> klafka,
12:44 < delinquentme> im not talking about are they going to fix death
12:44 < delinquentme> no
12:44 < delinquentme> im saying
12:45 < delinquentme> if anyone will they're in a good position to
12:45 < delinquentme> while yes I understand that you want a biology roadmap
12:45 < klafka> so you're saying they will be in a good position to because their sequencing business will succeed and they'll have cash reserves to research longevity
12:45 < klafka> ?
12:45 < delinquentme> this venture gets the cash in the right place
12:45 < delinquentme> PLUS
12:45 < delinquentme> brilliant scientists on staff
12:46 < kanzure> so if i give them an aging roadmap, will they listen to me and fund me
12:46 < delinquentme> they're not profitable yet
12:46 < kanzure> i mean, they have enough funding already to go after a lot of aging roadmap milestones
12:46 < delinquentme> post profitability maybe
12:46 < delinquentme> kanzure, but you dont do exploratory research on investment money
12:46 < delinquentme> you get profitable
12:46 < delinquentme> THEN you do that
12:47 < delinquentme> sorry it all seems like startup 101 to me
12:47 < kanzure> so basically, wait-and-hope-they-do-something-relevant
12:47 < delinquentme> and it seems to me they're doing it the right way
12:47 < kanzure> (other than fundraising and hiring)
12:47 < kanzure> no, but i'm glad we've talked about this,
12:47 < kanzure> i thought you might have known something else
12:47 < delinquentme> kanzure, basically wait and hope that the biggest baddest player out there will make good on some of the claims they've made
12:47 < delinquentme> yes.
12:47 < kanzure> like "No, they're actually uploading mice at the moment"
12:47 < kanzure> or rather, "they are uploading worm brain"
12:47 < klafka> delinquentme i mean sure i can wait and hope
12:47 < delinquentme> they're not blue brain :D
12:48 < klafka> that takes no investment on my part
12:48 < kanzure> klafka: hah
12:48 < delinquentme> klafka, stop ycombinatoring it
12:48 < delinquentme> :D
12:48 < delinquentme> you know thats going to help
12:48 < kanzure> yeh, we do need ycombinator of futurist tech
12:48 < klafka> haha
12:48 < delinquentme> we need a ycombinator of " 1/ farmville "
12:49 < delinquentme> ycomb is the zynga of progress
12:49 < delinquentme> like OK
12:49 < klafka> why?
12:49 < delinquentme> there are a few good ones
12:49 < klafka> ycomb is just some seed funding
12:49 < klafka> or do you mean their startups in general?
12:49 < delinquentme> science exchange is bad ass
12:49 < klafka>  or are you talking about the forum?
12:49 < delinquentme> klafka, i mean lets stop playing around on the web like its an ends
12:49 < klafka> 0h
12:49 < klafka> yeah
12:49 < klafka> totally
12:50 < delinquentme> web = tool
12:50 < delinquentme> web = hot way for data transfer
12:50 < klafka> well
12:50 < delinquentme> and sure sure money is a tool
12:50 < klafka> no
12:50 < klafka> i mean it's an ends and it's a tool
12:50 < delinquentme> true
12:50 < klafka> but i agree with you
12:50 < delinquentme> but there are greater societal returns if we DO REAL SHIT
12:50 < klafka> there is a lot of hollowness to it
12:50 < delinquentme> zynga
12:50 < klafka> absolutely
12:50 < delinquentme> isnt real shit
12:50 < klafka> agreed
12:50 < delinquentme> its $$$
12:51 < delinquentme> if we had a hardware incubator with the $$$ of zynga
12:51 < delinquentme> eff.
12:51 < delinquentme> or even better a bio hardware
12:51 < delinquentme> fuck.
12:51 < klafka> you can't really do incubation on biotech so much though delinquentme
12:51 < kanzure> i'm not sure "consumer hardware" is a reasonable approach to what we're doing,
12:51 < delinquentme> see the thing is that " we dont want to die" is SOO fucking radical
12:51 < klafka> it's gotta be substantial investment from day one
12:51 < kanzure> what? biotech incubators are all over the place
12:51 < kanzure> there's tons and tons of biotech incubators
12:51 < delinquentme> klafka, false
12:51 < klafka> kanzure but are they giving them like 80k ? or something like ycomb does
12:51 < delinquentme> thats changing
12:52 < kanzure> klafka: ycomb gives $175k, what's your point?
12:52 < klafka> biotech needs a significant investment
12:52 < delinquentme> you can make a software biotech
12:52 < klafka> oh  god
12:52 < klafka> bioinfo startups
12:52 < kanzure> hah
12:52 < delinquentme> klafka, tell me you cant
12:52 < klafka> of course you fucking can
12:52 < klafka> but i thought we were talking about societal returns
12:52 < klafka> :)
12:52 < delinquentme> DNAnexus
12:52 < delinquentme> @_@
12:52 < kanzure> part of the reason you don't see more pharma startups is all the legal issues
12:52 < klafka> not web as a tool
12:52 < delinquentme> wait wait wait
12:52 < delinquentme> you're a bioinformaticist and saying that THAT study cant bring concrete societal returns?
12:53 < delinquentme> like were you drunk your entire schooling?
12:53 < klafka> note I don't do bioinformatics much anymore? :)
12:53 < klafka> also to be fair I should clarify
12:53 < klafka> you can get societal returns in bioinformatics
12:53 < delinquentme> i would have guessed that you'd be the number 1 dude on that bandwagon?
12:53 < klafka> but there are waaay more people blowing smoke up people's ass
12:53 < kanzure> delinquentme: are we takling about customers giving you money? or biotech VC?
12:53 < klafka> about CLOUD and BIG DATA
12:53 < klafka> and DRUG DISCOVERY
12:53 < klafka> and it's all shit
12:53 < delinquentme> klafka, awesome you're in the perfect position to think about that
12:54 < klafka> a lot of bioinfo is shit
12:54 < delinquentme> you need to get into the theil circle and be an advisor
12:54 < klafka> i mean i'm not leaving my job unless something bad happens for min a year
12:54 < klafka> i don't want to job jump every 6 months
12:54 < delinquentme> true true
12:54 < klafka> I'll look at other things
12:54 < klafka> i looked at cool bioinfo stuff
12:55 < klafka> but frankly i am doing support engineering
12:55 < delinquentme> like i mentioned to someone else its also a solid diversification of funds into ppl who are interested in the right things
12:55 < delinquentme> so yeah Im just glad you're in SF
12:55 < klafka> i'm going to get into analytics at my company though
12:55 < kanzure> support.. engineering
12:55 < klafka> probably
12:55 < klafka> right
12:55 < klafka> :P
12:55 < kanzure> gah, api integration?
12:55 < klafka> tech support
12:55 < klafka> yep
12:55 < kanzure> sdk support stuff?
12:55 < klafka> hahaha
12:55 < kanzure> good god man
12:55 < kanzure> what did they offer, like 60k?
12:55 < klafka> no more than that
12:55 < kanzure> 80k?
12:55 < klafka> somewhere in the middle
12:55 < kanzure> :/ you coulda got much more
12:55 < klafka> anyway i  wasn't going to get a dev job
12:55 < delinquentme> klafka, im moving in
12:56 < delinquentme> ima share ur bunk
12:56 < klafka> kanzure as what?
12:56 < klafka> dev?
12:56 < klafka> analytics?
12:56 < kanzure> development
12:56 < klafka> i am not comfortable doing dev
12:56 < klafka> and i don't erally want to do dev
12:56 < kanzure> o.o
12:56 < klafka> hahaha
12:56 < klafka> i like analytics man
12:56 < klafka> or i like ML/analytics
12:56 < klafka> but i have no job exp in it and i don't have a phd
12:57 < klafka> this is my way to get job exp as that
12:57 < klafka> and also i enjoy support
12:57 < kanzure> delinquentme: you know anyone who wants to dump money into a dna synthesis, microfluidics outfit?
12:58 < delinquentme> kanzure, pitch to fluidigm
12:59 < delinquentme> and actually microsoft has invested in a dude whos a microfluidics guy
12:59 < delinquentme> lookup biocoder
12:59 < delinquentme> willian thies
12:59 < delinquentme> william thies**
13:01 < klafka> anyway kanzure i'm just happy to be out here
13:01 < klafka> and not in rochester
13:01 < klafka> and regardless if i could get more
13:01 < klafka> i'm no longer making 14/hr
13:02 < delinquentme> cheers to SF .. real money
13:02 < delinquentme> and big fucking funding ops
13:02 < kanzure> yes, i know about biocoder- but their api was really weird
13:06 < klafka> man would a mother in law-ish room be ok
13:09 < klafka> when people say 'mature' it makes me think old people and not like 30
13:09 < klafka> would you guys agree
13:10 < delinquentme> mature = milfs
13:10 < delinquentme> =]
13:10 < delinquentme> tbh though its all relative
13:10 < delinquentme> and i dont get why ppl are weirded out by me referring to them as 'kids'
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13:29 < delinquentme> toodles all
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13:31 < klafka> bai
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13:46 < saurik> kanzure: I am actually much closer to la (santa barbara)
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16:01 < fenn> speaking of hardware incubators, i know some people at http://lemnoslabs.com
16:02 < fenn> they are practically next door
16:02 < fenn> (and the name sounds a lot like langton labs doesn't it?)
16:03  * fenn goes off to poke at a cnc
16:11 < kanzure> "Something that can’t be built by a Ruby coder in a hack weekend.
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16:12 < klafka> hah
16:12 < kanzure> what's wrong with ruby coders
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18:41 < delinquentme> WORD UP HOMIES
18:42 < delinquentme> program works!!
18:52 < kanzure> eh?
18:52 < kanzure> delinquentme: so, why isn't aubrey being given commercial money for sens
18:53 < kanzure> instead of all this non-profit pennies
18:53 < delinquentme> you tell me
18:53 < delinquentme> he doesnt yet have a commercially viable business model?
18:53 < kanzure> neither does halcyon
18:53 < delinquentme> but they're close
18:54 < delinquentme> we all know people will pay for long read sequencing
18:54 < delinquentme> we're talking reads @ lengths of hundreds of thousands of BPs
18:54 < delinquentme> ill put it this say
18:54 < kanzure> yes i know what they're aiming for
18:54 < delinquentme> say = way
18:54 < delinquentme> if they succeed algos will need to be re-written
18:54 < delinquentme> bc all the statistical math magic we use noe
18:55 < delinquentme> now* will be significantly less relevant
18:55 < delinquentme> aubrey is visionary but halcyon has popsicles which everyone already wants
18:56 < delinquentme> and i got turned down too doesn't mean I'm not helping .. .just means they're very niche
18:56 < delinquentme> which is a good thing
18:56 < delinquentme> and it also tells us people are being filtered on merit / compatibility
18:57 < delinquentme> which is a good sign for that company
18:57 < delinquentme> kent works his assssss off
18:59 < delinquentme> kanzure, you any good w the maths?
18:59 < kanzure> i can get around.
19:00 < kanzure> i don't care about getting turned down, heh
19:00 < kanzure> i told them that i wasn't confident they had a good vision
19:00 < kanzure> *strategy
19:00 < kanzure> not vision :x
19:00 < delinquentme> the math is what i need to get on more of
19:01 < delinquentme> though im a little confused as to what a bio and math heavy kid does in the space of large computation
19:01 < delinquentme> like i'd guess there are TONS of these kids
19:01 < kanzure> what are you asking?
19:01 < delinquentme> but then why dont we have more programs like BLAST?
19:01 < kanzure> there are tons of blast variants
19:01 < kanzure> tons and tons
19:01 < delinquentme> are there?
19:01 < kanzure> klafkaaa where are you
19:01 < delinquentme> so then thats what the math kids do
19:01 < kanzure> the math kids do finance or something
19:01 < delinquentme> they're working w established software and making tweaks?
19:02 < delinquentme> lolol
19:02 < delinquentme> yeah
19:02 < delinquentme> useful stuff
19:02 < kanzure> pblast, blastn, blastp, blastx, tblastn, tblastx, blast2, psi-blast
19:03 < delinquentme> ive been considering getting gnast w maths
19:03 < delinquentme> like web stuff is useful but what REALLY puts the shit down
19:03 < kanzure> wublast
19:03 < delinquentme> math, bio, applied sciences
19:04 < delinquentme> dubstep aligner?
19:04 < kanzure> gpublast
19:04 < kanzure> i can't remember these
19:11 < kanzure> delinquentme: the other complicating factor is lack of funding
19:11 < kanzure> but if you can show me a source i should tap, let me know
19:11 < kanzure> bbl
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19:12 < delinquentme> there he is
19:12 < delinquentme> kanzure,
19:12 < delinquentme> there is NO lack of funding
19:12 < delinquentme> none.
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19:13 < delinquentme> there is a lack of real business models
19:13 < delinquentme> people with cash WANT TO STAY here
19:13 < delinquentme> thats one of the reasons I don't agree w the imminst take
19:13 < klafka> ?
19:14 < klafka> oh god longevity argument
19:14 < delinquentme> why try to convince everyone ... theres a strong correlation between smart individuals who are agnostics and have $$$
19:14 < delinquentme> klafka, related yea
19:14 < delinquentme> klafka, du know any math kids in bio tech?
19:15 < delinquentme> im curious as to what projects they work on
19:15 < klafka> umm not really personally
19:15 < klafka> there are lots of math people in biotech
19:15 < klafka> eric schadt
19:15 < klafka> is a good example
19:15 < delinquentme> hes a math dude?
19:15 < delinquentme> i thought he was bio
19:15 < klafka> has a phd in applied math
19:15 < delinquentme> oh fewk
19:16 < delinquentme> hes given me the short stick FB profile as a friend
19:16 < delinquentme> doesnt say shit
19:20 < klafka> ?
19:20 < klafka> who?
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19:23 < delinquentme> schadt
19:23 < delinquentme> we're homies
19:23 < delinquentme> in VR
19:26 < klafka> LOL
19:26 < delinquentme> klafka, dont laugh @ me bro
19:26 < delinquentme> we chest bump
19:26 < delinquentme> lol
19:26 < klafka> He received his B.A. in applied mathematics and computer science from California Polytechnic State University, his M.A. in pure mathematics and his Ph.D. in bio-mathematics from University of California, Los Angeles.
19:27 < klafka> http://www.mssm.edu/profiles/eric-schadt
19:27 < klafka> damn
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19:37 < delinquentme> so hes knows some shit
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19:58 < kanzure> delinquentme: some people just don't do facebook daily
19:59 < kanzure> (like me)
19:59 < kanzure> klafka: i was trying to list for deliquentme all the various versions of blast
19:59 < kanzure> pblast, blastn, blastp, blastx, tblastn, tblastx, blast2, psi-blast, wublast, gpublast
20:00 < delinquentme> i need to develop an effective FB pickup strat
20:00 < delinquentme> man.
20:01 < delinquentme> so much talent
20:02 < kanzure> fb pickup strategy: attack their freinds first
20:02 < kanzure> or really, their sibling's friends
20:02 < kanzure> then show up at a family event one day
20:02 < kanzure> *friends
20:03 < kanzure> delinquentme: i made this facebook friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend script
20:03 < kanzure> it would take all of my friends; document their friends; then go out and find all of their friends
20:03 < kanzure> then, for a given target, i would figure out who among my friends is currently friends with my target's friends
20:04 < delinquentme> facebook API
20:04 < delinquentme> ?
20:04 < delinquentme> lolol
20:04 < delinquentme> filling out these answers
20:04 < kanzure> this was back when the facebook api was not usable
20:04 < kanzure> so it was scraping
20:04 < delinquentme> i feel fucking SMERT
20:07 < klafka> aah
20:10 < delinquentme> its usable now?
20:10 < delinquentme> heard its a nighmare
20:12 < klafka> did you include parallel blast in that
20:12 < klafka> kanzure
20:15 < kanzure> hrm
20:15 < kanzure> i think not
20:29 < sylph_mako> so kanzure, did you do anything devious with that friend of a friend thing? And do you know if there's still a version of that? Cause I've considered making that myself.
20:29 < sylph_mako> Not seriously enough to look for existing ones.
20:31 < delinquentme> "when you're working w statistically significant sample sizes there is a positive correlation between the sample size and the indicative strength of the resultant probability."
20:31 < delinquentme> god im such a jerkoff
20:31 < kanzure> didn't do anything devious, just lots of "hey dude i went to elementary school with this person that this person you know knows"
20:31 < delinquentme> vocabular masturbation
20:33 < delinquentme> PREDICTIVE not indicative
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21:04 < sylph_mako> 2 degrees of separation is further than I thought.
21:05 < sylph_mako> Wait no I had very clear intentions with that. Use it to get into their friends of friends. Not that that would ever be useful. I wonder why I thought it would be useful.
21:06 < kanzure> it is useful; it's just, there's usually easier ways to make friends
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