--- Log opened Sat Feb 04 00:00:07 2012 --- Day changed Sat Feb 04 2012 00:00 -!- Mokbortolan_ is now known as Mokstar 00:00 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12 -!- falmot_ [~root@69-165-128-37.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:12 < falmot_> i saw two ufo's last night 00:12 < falmot_> i summoned them with terence mckenna recordings 00:12 < falmot_> when i shut the audio off two craft appeared 00:13 < falmot_> the first was a light in the distance obscured by a tree that seemed to flicker then moved behind a building 00:13 < falmot_> ahh then a big one went over my head 00:13 < falmot_> a craft with a shape reminding me of an airplane 00:13 < falmot_> but with three big lights, one green two white 00:13 < yashgaroth> so falmot have you ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder 00:13 < falmot_> when i looked at it the third white light came on 00:13 < falmot_> yashgaroth: what is this 00:14 < falmot_> i watched the airplane shape one fly away for a really long time 00:14 < yashgaroth> you know, schizophrenia or similar 00:14 < falmot_> yashgaroth: eh no 00:14 < yashgaroth> I recommend you visit a qualified psychologist 00:14 < falmot_> who are you supposed to be 00:14 < falmot_> i just summoned super powers 00:14 < Mokstar> "it might have been the PCP, but I swear I was abducted by aliens." 00:14 < falmot_> anyone can do this now 00:15 < falmot_> reality is being overhauled into vr by alien god-likes 00:15 < yashgaroth> I'm an alien 00:15 < falmot_> they're the ones in control 00:15 < falmot_> mokstar, i think the abductions have stopped 00:15 < yashgaroth> bro I'm totally an alien 00:15 < falmot_> yashgaroth: get lost ok 00:15 < yashgaroth> my home planet is too far away 00:15 * Mokstar demands yashgaroth's papers. 00:16 < yashgaroth> we are beyond your silly human 'papers' 00:16 < falmot_> it will be done on dec 21 i think the 2012 prophecy is like a landing strip aliens are using 00:16 < Mokstar> No papers!? 00:16 < falmot_> at that time control will be totally transferred 00:16 < Mokstar> No 00:16 < falmot_> to these extra galactic super powers 00:16 < falmot_> well maybe it is our galaxy 00:16 < Mokstar> that's usually July 5 00:16 < Mokstar> every year 00:17 < falmot_> i dont know 00:17 < falmot_> i emailed the singularity list about the ufos i saw 00:17 < Mokstar> but we usually get saved by an icon of pure salesmanship 00:17 < falmot_> and AGI 00:17 < falmot_> because i work with AI 00:17 < yashgaroth> so, is ben goertzel an alien or just a puppet of their regime? 00:17 < falmot_> i thought maybe other AI people would be seeing ufo's 00:17 < falmot_> especially as we approach the attractor at the end of time 00:18 < falmot_> ben goertzel? 00:18 < yashgaroth> yeah I hear you like him 00:18 < falmot_> yeah 00:18 < falmot_> well 00:18 < yashgaroth> I mean, are you sure he's not just a 'sperg? 00:19 < falmot_> http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html my soft 00:19 < falmot_> software 00:19 < Mokstar> everybody has ass burgers 00:19 < falmot_> waht 00:20 < falmot_> oh aspergers 00:20 < falmot_> i dont know how i did it 00:21 < Mokstar> http://i.imgur.com/7G2lS.jpg 00:21 < falmot_> i have a brain implant 00:21 < falmot_> from scientologists 00:21 < falmot_> they're evil people or evil aliens of low power 00:21 < falmot_> with brain implants 00:21 < falmot_> grr 00:22 < falmot_> i think thats one reason aliens are interested in me now, my paini 00:22 < falmot_> i am finding synchronicities in language and math 00:22 < falmot_> and i have seen ufos now 00:22 < yashgaroth> look just try taking some thorazine 00:22 < falmot_> bad for you yashgaroth 00:22 < yashgaroth> yeah, luckily I don't need any 00:23 < falmot_> no-one needs thorazine it hurts people not helps them 00:23 < falmot_> lsd is a therapeutic drug it's a tonic 00:23 < falmot_> it makes you better when you're not sick 00:23 < falmot_> i just want my brain implant to go away 00:23 < falmot_> it's either for advocating psychedelic drugs, or telling peoeple how to talk to aliens 00:24 < falmot_> which you do by taking psychedelic drugs x_x 00:24 < yashgaroth> oh there are ways to remove the implants 00:24 < falmot_> i want to find some kind of a clinic, yashgaroth 00:24 < klafka> i knew that this was you! 00:24 < klafka> the critterdrug dude 00:24 < falmot_> yeah how are you 00:24 < klafka> i'm fine 00:24 < yashgaroth> there are clinics, but they're run by aliens too 00:24 < falmot_> have you tried critterdrug klafka 00:25 < klafka> i've read the site 00:25 < klafka> i've just seen you in here and various channels on irc 00:25 < falmot_> i have some food eating infovores in a 4x4 world at ad 200 right now because i wanted to test making a species in it finally 00:25 < falmot_> i mostly work with my little robots at > ad 8000 00:25 < falmot_> yashgaroth: i would even use an alien clinic, ok 00:27 < yashgaroth> :D 00:33 < falmot_> brbs 00:53 -!- yashgaroth 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[Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Client Quit] 06:19 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 < delinquentme> kanzure, u awake yet?? 06:35 < delinquentme> Mariu, howdah! 06:35 < Mariu> hey delinquentme 06:35 < delinquentme> what're you getting into atm? 06:36 < Mariu> nothing much 06:44 <@kanzure> delinquentme: nope 06:44 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: what's the right permaban for falmot 06:44 < delinquentme> kanzure, YESSSS I've been hoping to be jacked in and process while sleeping! 06:45 < delinquentme> Mariu, you want a hot research paper? 06:45 < delinquentme> also kanzure i should send this to you 06:45 < delinquentme> "Detecting Novel Associations 06:45 < delinquentme> in Large Data Sets 06:45 < delinquentme> " 06:52 < delinquentme> derpta derp 06:53 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:55 <@kanzure> just upload it somewhere 06:55 <@kanzure> dcc is lame 06:58 <@kanzure> sand to cpu http://umumble.com/blogs/company_intel/385/ 06:59 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-178.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, you've got the repo! 07:05 < delinquentme> really sweettt! 07:09 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 <@kanzure> repo? 07:17 < Mariu> delinquentme, sure 07:18 < delinquentme> kanzure yeah youve got all the papers :D 07:18 < delinquentme> Mariu, its math and statistics heavy :D you down? 07:18 < Mariu> I'm always down 07:18 < Mariu> xD 07:20 < Mariu> thanks, don't get your hopes too much though 07:21 < delinquentme> :D 07:21 < delinquentme> http://www.millipore.com/life_sciences/flx4/scepter_muse&cid=BIOS-D-SCIE-1001-1202-DS&tab1=3#tab1=3:tab2=5 07:22 < delinquentme> someone *gets* UI design 07:55 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-71.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-71.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:37 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 < klafka> hahaha\ 09:39 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:39 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log opened Sat Feb 04 09:59:06 2012 09:59 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware http://gnusha.org/logs/ http://bit.ly/diybionews2 http://gadaprize.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing 09:59 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] [Sun Jan 8 13:52:22 2012] 09:59 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 09:59 [ _sol_ ] [ dsp_ ] [ JayDugger ] [ roksprok ] 09:59 [ AlonzoTG ] [ elmom ] [ jrayhawk ] [ saurik ] 09:59 [ archels ] [ epitron ] [ klafka ] [ Stee| ] 09:59 [ audy ] [ eudoxia ] [ marainein ] [ strages_home] 09:59 [ augur ] [ falmot_ ] [ Mariu ] [ strages_shop] 09:59 [ bkero ] [ ferrouswheel ] [ Mokbortolan_] [ strages_work] 09:59 [ Charlie_ ] 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pasky ] [ utopiah_ ] 10:30 [ delinquentme] [ Helleshin ] [ qnm ] [ ziyadb ] 10:30 [ devrandom ] [ ivan` ] [ rkos ] 10:30 [ drazak ] [ JayDugger ] [ roksprok ] 10:30 [ dsp_ ] [ jrayhawk ] [ saurik ] 10:30 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 49 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 49 normal] 10:30 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 10:30 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 5 secs 10:30 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 < klafka> gaah 10:31 < kanzure> dfkldkaksdkfjasiofjioqwjioq 10:36 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-172-243.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-172-243.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 < jrayhawk> Yeah, sorry, I did a kernel upgrade to get rid of a really bad privilege escalation, but the metapackage was pointing at the wrong place 10:45 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping 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Except, you know, without all the UFO stuff. 11:35 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:38 < eudoxia> reality is just a historical simulation bruh 11:38 < eudoxia> maybe we're already in the Omega Point and we're just simulations bruh 11:44 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 < strangewarp> eudoxia: No love for the simulist bloc? :( 11:50 < eudoxia> I actually kind of like the simulation hypothesis 11:50 < eudoxia> just not the Tiplerist religious pseudoscience 11:50 < kanzure-> this is why the world keeps getting smaller 11:50 < kanzure-> the simulation is deleting people and making everything more compressed 11:50 < kanzure-> thus increasing the number of coincidences 11:51 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:51 < eudoxia> yeah, all those other computations were alloted to weather simulators 11:52 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 < Mariu> lol 11:54 < strangewarp> Hmmm, let me read up on this Tiplerist thing.. 11:56 < strangewarp> Oh, good. Omega Point is bullpucky, and very different from what I had in mind. 11:57 < eudoxia> Just watch this talk and try to keep a straight face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNkuJvhyfP0 12:02 < strangewarp> The closest bit would be the "resimulate all possible minds" thing, which may ultimately have to be scaled back to "resimulate all sapient minds" or "resimulate all sapient minds we can reconstruct from lossy information".. 12:03 < eudoxia> I wonder now, how many .pdb files could you generate containing every possible arrangement of looking-rather-like-neural-structures matter in the volume of a brain? And how much space would they occupy? 12:03 < eudoxia> to generate every possible permutation of every possible brain 12:04 < strangewarp> Obviously what I'm talking about is a form of theology (albeit applied theology), so the safe assumption ought to be that it wouldn't occur at all.. 12:04 < eudoxia> Of course 12:05 < eudoxia> There's this pseudo-h+ thing going around, the Turing Church, and they talk about the resurrection of non-preserved persons, something to do with 'quantum archaeology' 12:05 < strangewarp> ...Urgh 12:05 < eudoxia> I don't know what that is, but I guess it's above the credibility level of Deepak Chopra. but BARELY 12:06 < strangewarp> It would be /nice/ if it turned out that there's some way to losslessly access the full data of the many-worlds block universe, but we should assume such a thing is impossible unless there is some oddness that might overthrow such an assumption 12:07 < strangewarp> Which is why I presently regard the whole resimulate-infinite-minds thing as theology.. 12:07 < eudoxia> what do you mean? accessing the data of every iteration/frame/step of the universe? 12:07 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 < strangewarp> Accessing all states of all possible universes, yes 12:08 < eudoxia> Iin this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics! 12:08 < strangewarp> Ha, yeah 12:09 < eudoxia> Disobeying the laws of thermodynamics, that's a paddlin' 12:12 < kanzure-> in this house we don't discuss MWI 12:13 < strangewarp> That was beside the point! Gosh 12:14 < eudoxia> We are still free to discuss Omega Point cosmology though right? 12:14 < Mariu> I have to split, later everyone 12:15 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:31 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:51 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:52 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-71.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-71.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:42 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:46 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:57 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-44-71.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33 < kanzure-> http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/05/the-tesla-valve-one-way-flow-with-no-moving-parts/ 14:59 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:09 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:32 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- audy- [~audy@heyaudy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- kanzure_ [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- ferrousw1eel [~joel@li159-85.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- kanzure- [~kanzure@70.114.196.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:45 -!- roksprok [~Zac@74.83.205.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- strages_work [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- Omega [~Omega@started.the.rvlution.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- ferrouswheel [~joel@li159-85.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- |Omega| [~Omega@started.the.rvlution.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 -!- |Omega| is now known as Omega 15:45 -!- kanzure_ is now known as kanzure 15:48 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53 < kanzure> so, given how important science is 15:53 < kanzure> well, i guess that's not a given 15:53 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < kanzure> it should be explicitly stated that science in our civilization is very important 15:53 < kanzure> and that we have a good deal of work put into that particular pursuit 15:54 < kanzure> knowing this, is it really OK for us to be hosting all of that with private companies 15:54 < kanzure> obviously people agree that it is ok to share the papers, and sometimes not pay for the papers 15:54 < kanzure> many in here would even agree to do scraping 15:54 < kanzure> if it's important enough to scrape, 15:55 < kanzure> is it important enough to go commando and physically steal their servers straight up? 15:55 < kanzure> is it important enough to organize a social engineering team to go infiltrate their ranks? 15:55 < kanzure> where's the line? no line? 15:55 < kanzure> it's def. a personal question 15:55 < kanzure> but maybe i can encourage someone to go do it 15:56 < yashgaroth> stealing a hard drive doesn't get you continued access to future research 15:57 < yashgaroth> so I'd say social engineering 15:58 < kanzure> http://www.info.sciverse.com/sciencedirect/buying/primary_license_options 15:58 < kanzure> hah 15:58 < kanzure> "concurrent user charges" 16:01 < kanzure> actually 16:02 < kanzure> here's a weird idea 16:02 < kanzure> so let's say you had a suite of scrapers (like zotero has) 16:02 < kanzure> researchers on this p2p network will approve paper requests if they have access 16:02 < kanzure> and it would scrape the pdf for the requester, using this person's authentication 16:02 < kanzure> this p2p software would also be the "main way" to access a paper for that researcher 16:03 < kanzure> so instead of going to the elsevier site to look up a paper, you go throug hthis network 16:03 < delinquentme> howdy kanzure ! 16:03 < kanzure> they will do this because the network has better derivalability than elsevier (which blocks you sometimes) 16:03 * delinquentme reading... 16:03 < kanzure> now, this software will either (1) use the current researcher's credis to download the pdf 16:03 < kanzure> or (2) make a request over the network (possibly to a cached copy) 16:03 < kanzure> *to get a cached copy 16:04 < kanzure> it would even be such that, the cached copy is only used if it was by someone in that university's network (ha) 16:04 < kanzure> anyway, the point is that over time this will /replace/ elsevier 16:04 < kanzure> because this interface is more reliably delivering paper access 16:04 < delinquentme> kanzure, realize that people wont want to do additional work 16:04 < kanzure> they would never have to physically go to elsevier's site 16:04 < kanzure> yes i agree 16:04 < yashgaroth> your weak point will end up being the researcher, if their uni or the publisher start asking questions 16:04 < kanzure> true 16:04 < delinquentme> while it sounds like a nice thing to get a paper via some alt network I truly think the browser plugin is the most transparent for the end user 16:05 < kanzure> delinquentme: who said this isn't a browser plugin?? 16:05 < delinquentme> ah 16:05 < delinquentme> well! yashgaroth in response to that 16:05 < Stee|> holy shit, my arms are so tired I'm having trouble typing 16:05 < delinquentme> elsiver would never know 16:05 < kanzure> elsevier would not be able to discriminate between a researcher clickign on their site 16:05 < delinquentme> for all they can observe it is a perfectly typical paper / researcher interaction 16:05 < kanzure> versus a scraper that has the same user agent and interaction pattern 16:05 < delinquentme> true 16:05 < yashgaroth> don't they log these things for suspicious activit? i.e. accessing 500 papers outside of their field 16:06 < delinquentme> but they explicitly forbid it 16:06 < kanzure> yashgaroth: nothing like that, but they do monitor quantity for sure 16:07 < kanzure> so, it's a little fuzzy if this would be useful 16:07 < kanzure> because over time you could imagine nobody would ever physically click over to elsevier/x publisher 16:07 < delinquentme> chrome plugins are written in JS 16:07 < kanzure> so what then? you assign "journals" to new editors? 16:07 < kanzure> i mean a journal is just a currated selection of papers 16:07 < kanzure> possibly with formatting standards and stuff 16:07 < yashgaroth> journal performs the peer review, no? 16:07 < kanzure> yes usually 16:08 < kanzure> that's true 16:08 < Stee|> I hate ieee's latex format 16:08 < Stee|> but that's cause I'm terrible at LaTeX 16:09 < kanzure> yashgaroth: the theory i was trying to communicate was that if elsevier's only value add is hosting, then it should be possible to kill them by first replacing the user interface whereby people currently interact with that company 16:09 < kanzure> and that the p2p software i just described would be sufficient to do that (given that elsevier only does hosting) 16:09 < kanzure> now, as you point out, they do actually a bit more than just hosting 16:09 < kanzure> so i'm not sure that would be a useful scheme to implement 16:09 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-23-52.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:10 < kanzure> peer reviewers work for free a lot of the time 16:10 < kanzure> publishers don't always pay them 16:10 < kanzure> so it's conceivable that you could convince them to "switch" to be on this new platform 16:11 < kanzure> maybe the other way to do this is to just assume that journals will die off anyway 16:11 < kanzure> and new curration methods will be more popular, like a professor that just publishes a monthly list of papers that go together 16:12 < kanzure> what's that one peer review site? 16:12 < kanzure> peerscribe? 16:13 < yashgaroth> what's the problem with a half-dozen undergrads with library access? even if it's manual and they get a stipend for their time 16:13 < kanzure> stipend? 16:13 < yashgaroth> you know, for physically pulling the articles and sending them out 16:14 < yashgaroth> companies often pay a student a fee for access 16:14 < kanzure> wut 16:14 < yashgaroth> not strictly legal, but many do that 16:14 < kanzure> i haven't seen this before 16:14 < kanzure> how'd you come across this? 16:14 < yashgaroth> prefer not to say 16:15 < kanzure> is this a prevalent practice to your knowledge? 16:15 < kanzure> or you just saw it once heh 16:15 < yashgaroth> um no comment 16:16 < kanzure> yeah, i'm not sure why nobody has published complete dumps of these publisher's contents 16:18 < yashgaroth> aside from watermarks? 16:18 < kanzure> i'm not convinced anyone knows about the baked-in watermarks (besides the visible ones; ieee is theo nly one that seems to show a visible ip watermark) 16:18 < kanzure> *the only 16:19 < kanzure> hrm 16:19 < kanzure> what if we did the scraping in a single strike 16:19 < kanzure> get 10k people using the same scraping software, assign id lists for each paper 16:19 < kanzure> then have them all do the blitz on the same day 16:20 < kanzure> this wouldn't be a long-term solution 16:21 < kanzure> but loic shows that people are willing to do it :p 16:21 < delinquentme> maybs 16:21 < delinquentme> but also if you just broke their systems you totally could download it w/o their knowledge .. right? 16:21 < kanzure> broke into their systems? sure.. 16:23 < delinquentme> thats a question of how secure they are 16:23 < delinquentme> or we could just hire someone :P 16:24 < kanzure> hah http://lists.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0603&L=SUSPROXY-L&T=0&P=409 16:24 < kanzure> "This week on the EZProxy list there has been a new awareness, 16:24 < kanzure> amazement, 16:24 < kanzure> and furor about the vulnerability of EZproxy to userid/password login 16:24 < kanzure> hacking. Apparently there are those worldwide who believe that if 16:24 < kanzure> resources are available through EZproxy then they're free. There are 16:24 < kanzure> websites devoted to providing userids/passwords to specific EZproxy 16:24 < kanzure> instances. The current attacks appear to be mainly from China. 16:25 < delinquentme> sooo 16:25 < delinquentme> hire some chinese guy? 16:25 < delinquentme> :D 16:26 < kanzure> erm.. no.. they post it online 16:26 < kanzure> http://www.oclc.org/ezproxy/default.htm 16:27 < delinquentme> yoouuu want ot run a test to see how much you can download before getting kicked? 16:27 < kanzure> hah 16:27 < kanzure> "A hosted version of EZproxy is available. Libraries who subscribe to the hosted version are automatically and seamlessly upgraded with each new release of the service. They also enjoy 24 x 7 x 365 support for off-site authentication of electronic content with no servers or IT infrastructure required. The EZproxy hosted version is currently available in the US, and is planned for wider availability going forward." 16:27 < kanzure> delinquentme: i have a reasonable estimate 16:28 < kanzure> it's between "most" and "all of it" 16:28 < delinquentme> lolol 16:28 < delinquentme> like i was wondering that 16:28 < delinquentme> i wonder how much bandwidth monitoring a multimillion dollar service has :D 16:28 < delinquentme> "Freenet" was suggested for hosting 16:29 < yashgaroth> how about compromising a physical library computer, one of those that you can just sit at and access articles through the library system 16:29 < delinquentme> but you're thinking selenium? orrrr? 16:29 < delinquentme> well im near 2 universities 16:29 < kanzure> i don't think that's an issue yashgaroth 16:29 < delinquentme> both pitt and CMU 16:29 < delinquentme> I also know a librarian 16:29 < kanzure> if one of you has a server to run this on, let me know 16:29 < delinquentme> :P 16:30 < delinquentme> I have a comp I could prob set it up on 16:31 < delinquentme> but amazon? 16:31 < delinquentme> also the other computer is associated w my everyday IP 16:31 < delinquentme> so we should at least proxy it 16:32 < kanzure> i don't think you understand how proxies work 16:32 < kanzure> the download still occurs from the authenticated machine 16:32 < delinquentme> yeah but then the more proxies = more secure ? 16:32 < kanzure> not if they know who's computer it is 16:33 < delinquentme> A = our machine B = the authenticated machine C = publishing company 16:33 < delinquentme> describe w letters plz 16:33 < delinquentme> A proxies into B ... B downloads from C 16:33 < kanzure> for instance, the sysadmins on campus usually have mac addresses, ip addresses, etc. mapped to security cameras 16:34 < delinquentme> kk 16:34 < kanzure> so for instance, if it's in a lab somewhere 16:34 < kanzure> you'll get caught and the prof will get caught; or just the prof will get caught 16:34 < kanzure> caught/blamed 16:35 < yashgaroth> but most uni libraries have publicly accessible terminals 16:35 < delinquentme> arent there just available proxies? 16:35 < kanzure> yashgaroth: that get wiped when you log off 16:35 < delinquentme> like cant we get any computer to proxy to those and then authenticate w those? 16:35 < kanzure> yashgaroth: also, they don't generally let you install anything 16:35 < delinquentme> like reddit darknet kids prob have botnets we can proxy w 16:36 < yashgaroth> that's just a software issue though 16:36 < kanzure> i don't think scraping the entirety of scientific knowledge in plain sight in a public library is a smart idea 16:36 < yashgaroth> you won't physically be there while it's scraping though 16:37 < kanzure> do you know how university libraries work? 16:37 < yashgaroth> in what sense 16:37 < delinquentme> wait 16:37 < kanzure> from what i can tell, they force log off anyone not physically sitting there 16:37 < delinquentme> why are you guys worrying about this? 16:37 < kanzure> worrying about getting caught? 16:37 < delinquentme> you're definitely trying to get someone w this high level access 16:37 < yashgaroth> the ones at UW were just open and logged in already, maybe they get wiped every night or something 16:38 < delinquentme> no i mean if you've just got a login 16:38 < delinquentme> what more do you need? 16:38 < delinquentme> also 16:38 < kanzure> why would you want to kill your mule? 16:38 < delinquentme> scalability 16:38 < kanzure> in credit card schemes these guys are called mules 16:38 < kanzure> you don't kill your mule :| 16:38 < delinquentme> this would only work for elsiever 16:38 < yashgaroth> as long as they have plausible deniability 16:39 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:39 < yashgaroth> 'whoops yeah i downloaded porn.exe it must've let the chinese hackers in to steal my school login' 16:39 < delinquentme> lolol 16:40 < delinquentme> so we've decided to heavy hand this? 16:40 < yashgaroth> admittedly that only works once, but we'd have to see how many articles you can get without raising suspicions 16:40 < delinquentme> and just host offshore? 16:40 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you could do the blitz while they are sleeping 16:41 < delinquentme> true 16:41 < kanzure> they probably don't have midnight alarm bells at the publishing sites 16:41 < delinquentme> late at night is just the courteous thing to do 16:41 < kanzure> no i mean the publishers.. 16:41 < kanzure> it's not like they have devops people monitoring logs 24/7 16:41 < delinquentme> ^^^ 16:42 < kanzure> it should definitely be a botnet structure 16:42 < kanzure> if individual users get to pick what to scrape, it won't work 16:42 < delinquentme> do we have access to something like that 16:42 < kanzure> yes 16:42 < delinquentme> kk 16:42 < kanzure> *cough* 16:42 < delinquentme> good 16:42 < uniqanomaly> metasploit, haxoring into computers in libraries, setting up downloading software which is uploading stuff somewhere and download upgrades 16:43 < uniqanomaly> :< 16:43 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: again i'm just not convinced libraries are that insecure 16:43 < kanzure> you know, 16:43 < kanzure> delinquentme: this should be an iphone app 16:43 < delinquentme> thats nice ive never designed one 16:43 < yashgaroth> there's usually a few terminals that are open to the public, and the employees are mostly undergrads 16:43 < uniqanomaly> yeah library computers are like whores 16:43 < kanzure> god i hate myself for suggesting that 16:43 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-78-211.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43 < kanzure> lots of college students use iphones 16:43 < yashgaroth> android app* 16:43 < kanzure> ok or android 16:44 < kanzure> but when i was in school, nobody had androids :\ 16:44 < kanzure> actually, 16:44 < kanzure> there's no reason to do the "scraping" 16:44 < kanzure> on the mule hardware 16:44 < delinquentme> yeah 16:44 < kanzure> just be an http proxy 16:44 < delinquentme> if were going to just *DO* it 16:44 < kanzure> and let the server coordinate itself 16:44 < delinquentme> permission aside 16:44 < delinquentme> we can skip much of the pleasantries 16:45 < delinquentme> which greatly simplifies shit 16:45 < kanzure> bandwidth would increase as more users join 16:45 < kanzure> it's actually sort of reasonable to do it all at once 16:45 < delinquentme> ^^^ 16:45 < kanzure> but someone will be axed :/ 16:45 < delinquentme> what you mean? 16:45 < kanzure> the owner of the terminal 16:45 < kanzure> of the computer.. 16:45 < yashgaroth> what, a whole university? 16:46 < kanzure> no i mean if you get one person in the dorms to do it, the university /will/ clamp down on him 16:46 < delinquentme> the thing is if its some random proxy ... what use does some 12 year old have w accessing these sites? 16:46 < kanzure> in the "use only one proxy" scheme. 16:46 < kanzure> *use only one computer in their network 16:46 < delinquentme> wait. 16:46 < delinquentme> kanzure, we've got the logins 16:46 < kanzure> no we don't 16:46 < delinquentme> we dont? 16:46 < kanzure> those ezproxy logins are broken most of the time 16:46 < delinquentme> i thought the chinese sites are littered w em? 16:47 < kanzure> meh 16:47 < delinquentme> we only need 1 though right? 16:47 < kanzure> no 16:47 < delinquentme> get 1 working one ... use it to test out crawling mechanisms 16:47 < kanzure> since each university has different subscriptions, etc. etc. 16:47 < kanzure> oh testing isn't a problem.. i have computers to test with 16:48 < delinquentme> hmmm 16:49 < kanzure> so that idea is different from the porn.exe approach 16:50 < uniqanomaly> imo app that people run every day for some time makes more sense, no spikes in bandwidth use 16:50 < uniqanomaly> on phones 16:50 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: well, there would definitely be a accumulative spike on the publisher's sites 16:50 < kanzure> since this is more load than they are used to 16:50 < kanzure> so taht's why a global simultaneous strike might be better 16:50 < delinquentme> ahem 16:51 < delinquentme> we're having issues w a single login and you're talking global strikes? 16:51 < delinquentme> O_o 16:51 < kanzure> yes, you said botnet 16:51 < kanzure> botnet is where you have people in college install this on their computers 16:51 < kanzure> and since they are authenticated by ip address, you're in 16:51 < delinquentme> ok way too complex 16:51 < kanzure> no it's not 16:51 < delinquentme> botnet is just for a proxy 16:51 < uniqanomaly> it doesn't work that way: you've got uni IP -> you have access to publisher site? 16:51 < delinquentme> if you have one 16:51 < delinquentme> fine 16:51 < delinquentme> if not dont worry about it 16:51 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: yes it works that way 16:52 < kanzure> delinquentme: what? 16:52 < kanzure> delinquentme: what are you smoking 16:52 < delinquentme> dude 16:52 < delinquentme> making a botnet for the sole purpose of this is silly 16:52 < kanzure> anyway, the other method is using a remote anonymous vps to access a single ezproxy server with a username/password that was already put up on the web by some chinese patriot 16:52 < delinquentme> the _only_ reason we're talking botnet is for a _single_ proxy 16:52 < kanzure> what? 16:52 < uniqanomaly> so phones connected to wifis, everyone running software for some time every day 16:52 < delinquentme> A >> B >> C 16:52 < delinquentme> b = proxy 16:52 < uniqanomaly> you don't really want to suck it all at once 16:52 < kanzure> a botnet for logging into a certain university's ezproxy site? 16:52 < delinquentme> A = our machines 16:53 < delinquentme> uniqanomaly, if we can get it all at once theres no real issue right? 16:53 < kanzure> delinquentme: you're really confusing to talk with 16:53 < delinquentme> kanzure, ask questions then 16:53 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: papers are being submitted all the time, think more long term :P 16:53 < delinquentme> what are you confused about? 16:53 < kanzure> why would we need a botnet if we control our vpses 16:53 < uniqanomaly> being published* 16:53 < kanzure> fuck a botnet, just write code.. 16:53 < kanzure> if you're paying for the vpses why would you need a botnet 16:54 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 < delinquentme> well the only VPS i have access to are free amazon instances 16:54 < delinquentme> for ref: http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journalpricing.cws_home/journal_pricing 16:54 < kanzure> ok. so logging into ezproxy isn't really scalable, since it will probably break for that one user (like, "only one cookie session can be authenticated at a time") 16:55 < kanzure> i'm not sure if that's an actual rule or not :x 16:55 < kanzure> but if we have a botnet of students with ip addresses that are authenticated against the publishers, then we can scrape from multiple sessions simultaneously 16:56 < kanzure> by 'botnet' i really just mean 'a lot of http proxies that this vps somewhere logs into' 16:57 < kanzure> it would be useful to double check if one of those ezproxy logins can allow multiple simultaneous users to be authenticated as that same account 16:57 < uniqanomaly> phone drones could do scraping and uploading to server at convenient time 16:57 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: sure 16:58 < yashgaroth> can't we just have a queue of article requests and it does one at a time through a single node? 16:58 < delinquentme> ^^^^ 16:58 < kanzure> yashgaroth: yes but that's also slow 16:58 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58 < kanzure> also, you have to not-know the person who is doing it 16:58 < kanzure> or i mean, not care when they get caught 16:59 < kanzure> if there's 100s of people on campus doing it simultaneously, it's easier to claim it's a virus 16:59 < yashgaroth> but then they're likely to take more serious action than if it seems like a single breach 17:00 < kanzure> or you could do single-scraping through ezproxy of course.. if you find a login on the web 17:00 < kanzure> yashgaroth: like what 17:00 < yashgaroth> I dunno, I'm no sysadmin 17:02 < delinquentme> the thing is untill we know the limits of what we can d/l w one account 17:02 < delinquentme> we're talking out our asses 17:04 < kanzure> http://ezproxy.free-webmaster-resources.org/ 17:04 < kanzure> the central.edu one has ACS i think 17:05 < delinquentme> like what if its just as easy as selenium yanking every paper from a single account? 17:06 < kanzure> selenium is lame 17:06 < kanzure> just use phantomjs 17:06 < delinquentme> whatever we use is fine 17:07 < delinquentme> LOLOL 17:07 < delinquentme> SULTAN Qaboos university 17:08 < kanzure> yes but their subscriptions are probably crap 17:12 < delinquentme> kanzure, what google search did you run to get these sites w the logins /pass 17:13 < kanzure> ezproxy edu 2048 https password language:chinese OR language:arabic 17:13 < delinquentme> why 2048? 17:13 < kanzure> that's their default port 17:13 < kanzure> hell if i know 17:13 < delinquentme> nice 17:14 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 < delinquentme> it seems this one doesnt have access to elsevier 17:20 < klafka> thought, anyone know if you would be denied service at a place listed as 'dressy' on yelp or if they'd just stare at you kind of snootily 17:22 -!- roksprok [~Zac@74.83.205.124] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 -!- roksprok [~Zac@74.83.205.124] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 17:23 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 < delinquentme> in SF? 17:25 < delinquentme> lol 17:25 < delinquentme> y u testing it bro? 17:25 < delinquentme> dont defile the place before i get there klafka 17:26 < klafka> because i hate dressing up 17:26 < klafka> hate hate hate 17:26 < delinquentme> u got to catholic school? 17:26 < klafka> episcopal 17:27 < delinquentme> :P 17:27 < delinquentme> tshirt jeans + coat too much? 17:27 < klafka> man i don't even have a coat here 17:27 < delinquentme> you could also call them 17:27 < klafka> i have a button up shirt and a really really ugly polo shirt 17:27 < delinquentme> PS hows the stomach? 17:27 < klafka> yeah 17:27 < klafka> better 17:28 < klafka> i'm just a bit sick now 17:28 < delinquentme> FUCK polos 17:28 < delinquentme> :D 17:28 < klafka> agreed 17:28 < klafka> i had to wear those so much through school 17:28 < delinquentme> you should show up in a shirt and bolo 17:30 < delinquentme> plz take picture for me 17:30 < klafka> bolo 17:30 < klafka> idk what that is 17:31 < yashgaroth> like those texan neck things? 17:31 < delinquentme> LOLOL 17:31 < delinquentme> yeh!! 17:32 < delinquentme> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yDb_65btjWA/TRpo7AosowI/AAAAAAAABRU/kaFGAdwRBzs/s640/bolo+tie.JPG 17:32 < delinquentme> *rubs eyes* 17:32 < delinquentme> klafka, is that you? 17:33 < klafka> you know it 17:33 < delinquentme> id hit it 17:33 < delinquentme> ( if you were a little older ) 17:33 < eudoxia> somehow I always imagined klafka would have that hair style 17:34 < klafka> lmao 17:34 < delinquentme> its euro chic man! 17:34 < delinquentme> you walk in looking like that .. NOBODY asks questions 17:34 < klafka> man i wasn't gonna eat dinner but now i'm quite hungry 17:34 < klafka> hmm 17:35 < delinquentme> they just assume you play for manchester united 17:42 < uniqanomaly> anyone logged in at ezlibrary.ju.edu.jo ? 17:43 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: not me.. 17:44 < kanzure> what's .jo anyway? 17:44 < delinquentme> uniqanomaly, i am :D 17:44 < eudoxia> Jordan? 17:44 < delinquentme> ha 17:44 < delinquentme> ya 17:44 < uniqanomaly> yeah 3:44 am in there so 17:44 < uniqanomaly> yeah, Jordan 17:44 < delinquentme> lovely 17:44 < uniqanomaly> 2:44 in here 17:44 < uniqanomaly> :D 17:44 < delinquentme> uniqanomaly, UK? 17:45 < uniqanomaly> PL :< 17:45 < uniqanomaly> pole land 17:45 < delinquentme> << jelly 17:45 < delinquentme> all your girls are like perfect 10s 17:45 < uniqanomaly> nah 17:45 < yashgaroth> they still have babushka syndrome 17:45 < delinquentme> LOL 17:45 < delinquentme> is that googleable? 17:46 < yashgaroth> haven't checked, but that's the technical term 17:46 < uniqanomaly> I prefer ukrainian grlz anyways :< 17:46 < delinquentme> lol 17:46 < delinquentme> theres this math major ukranina girl over here 17:46 < delinquentme> she gets pissy when i say shes russian 17:46 < delinquentme> lol 17:47 < uniqanomaly> nxt time say shes russian pawn 17:47 < uniqanomaly> lol 17:48 < delinquentme> lol c'mon man i need hack for em 17:48 < delinquentme> that ones already rocky 17:48 < yashgaroth> mention your love of wheat 17:48 < delinquentme> LOL 17:48 < delinquentme> what? 17:48 < uniqanomaly> wheat, not what 17:48 < delinquentme> 2 years older and a math major ? yesh plz 17:49 < yashgaroth> ukraine was the breadbasket of the ussr 17:49 < delinquentme> i mean backstory? 17:49 < uniqanomaly> ;D 17:49 < delinquentme> oh so they're all like .. bread makers? 17:49 < yashgaroth> other than that I don't know what else they're famous for, aside from hot women 17:49 < eudoxia> Chernobyl? 17:49 < delinquentme> lol 17:49 < delinquentme> ^^^ 17:49 < yashgaroth> hey baby, I hear you like mutants 17:49 < delinquentme> eudoxia, wins for most innaprope comment 17:51 < delinquentme> ok uniqanomaly that .jo is yours 17:51 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:52 < foucist> .jerk off ? 17:52 < foucist> i already like that tld 17:52 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: ok, I'm gonna so abuse it now 17:52 < delinquentme> gogogogog! 17:53 < yashgaroth> I imagine suspicious logins is the least of the jordanian gov't's worries right now, so you're probably fine 17:53 -!- strages_1hop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: ya clicked 'Logout...' at top of http://ezlibrary.ju.edu.jo/menu ? 17:55 < delinquentme> which username are you using? 17:55 < delinquentme> no wait! 17:55 < delinquentme> nm 17:56 < uniqanomaly> first one 17:56 < uniqanomaly> nvm gonna check others 17:57 < foucist> uniqanomaly: what are you doing, my evolutionary algorithm friend! 17:57 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:57 < uniqanomaly> foucist: http://ezproxy.free-webmaster-resources.org/ 17:58 < kanzure> one of the problems i have when scraping is organizing the loot 17:59 < delinquentme> hmm 17:59 < delinquentme> seems to me that would be easy so long as you can access the stuff via browse option? 17:59 < kanzure> not quite what i mean 18:00 < kanzure> i don't know; i think i was an idiot when i did my earlier scrapes in life ;) 18:00 < delinquentme> i mean if they're within particular headings 18:00 < kanzure> didn't keep track of DOI numbers etc. 18:00 < delinquentme> :D 18:00 < kanzure> or any of the metadata 18:00 < kanzure> just had a bunch of files 18:01 < delinquentme> :D 18:01 < delinquentme> slightly useful 18:01 < delinquentme> but we could always get the meta data later 18:01 < delinquentme> however it would be quicker in-context 18:06 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- strages_1hop is now known as strages_shop 18:18 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 -!- roksprok [~Zac@74.83.205.124] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22 -!- ygh [~yashgarot@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:23 -!- ygh is now known as yashgaroth 19:56 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-98-236-11-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-98-236-11-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 < delinquentme> lost it: v 20:18 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiQp3UC15yI 20:25 < kanzure> "fun fact: up until 2009 the parent company Elsevier used to organize some of the world's largest arms' trade conferences. so that's the kind of corporation you're dealing with here." 20:26 < kanzure> man i love diybio. 20:31 < klafka> i fucking hate elsevier 20:31 < klafka> hated them for forever 20:33 < delinquentme> whut 20:33 < delinquentme> they organized ant farms 20:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-23-52.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47 < kanzure> "The company publishes 250,000 articles a year in 2,000 journals.[1] Its archives contain seven million publications. Total yearly downloads amount to 240 million" 20:47 < kanzure> 240 million? 20:56 < delinquentme> so they're surely not holding MORE papers than that 20:57 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScienceDirect 20:57 < kanzure> says 10 million articles 20:57 < kanzure> and 2500 journals 21:10 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-195.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:10 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-178.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:11 < kanzure> why doesn't harvard simply *buy* elsevier 21:26 < kanzure> yashgaroth: does your company ever use interlibrary loans? 21:50 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-98-236-11-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:57 < yashgaroth> not that I know of 22:00 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:11 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 22:14 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:16 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:16 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 22:49 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:50 -!- Amb4554d0r [~Amb4554d0@189.131.157.110] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:50 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:08 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:31 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-172-243.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:33 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-172-243.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:49 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 23:51 < yashgaroth> where the hell do you live 23:51 < JayDugger> Me? 23:51 < yashgaroth> yes you, mister morning in the evening guy 23:53 < JayDugger> Fair enough. I live in the CST time zone, where the clock says almost 2:00 A.M.. 23:53 < yashgaroth> ah, the literal morning 23:53 < JayDugger> Right. 23:59 -!- Amb4554d0r [~Amb4554d0@189.131.157.110] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Sun Feb 05 00:00:56 2012