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07:19 < delinquentme> played 2 games of SC2
07:20 < delinquentme> RL hacking is so much cooler
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09:07 < kanzure> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/health/amateur-biologists-are-new-fear-in-making-a-mutant-flu-virus.html?_r=1
09:08 < kanzure> "some scientists also fear that publication may allow curious amateurs to recreate the mutated virus — raising the risk of an accidental release."
09:08 < kanzure> who cares if it's amateurs or not though
09:09 < kanzure> `“There ought to be oversight down the road,” Mr. Bobe said. `
09:09 < kanzure> what a traitor
09:09 < kanzure> if he's going to go around saying he represents the diybio community, he shouldn't betray everyone like that
09:09 < kanzure> that's not okay
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09:49 < strangewarp> but terrism
09:49 < strangewarp> O_O
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12:47 < delinquentme> lawl
12:47 < delinquentme> lawl
12:47 < delinquentme> nomz nomz
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12:49 < kanzure> archels: you're in the netherlands?
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13:49 < strangewarp> Cool, just bought some aniracetam and choline capsules, enough for 3 months at a light dosage.
13:50 < strangewarp> Nootropics make me so productive, it's just astounding.. but I don't want to have to keep buying these citicoline energy drinks, so I just bit the bullet and bought some pills :p
14:06 < kanzure> i am in heaven
14:06 < kanzure> cat blah.txt | xclip -sel clip
14:06 < kanzure> no more pesky selecting
14:08 < kanzure> strangewarp: so far, none of the nootropics seem to be strong enough to make even 0.1% of its users to the level necessary to realize how exactly to manufacture it to their advantage (i.e. for less than what they pay per month)
14:09 < kanzure> i would think that, in the scheme of things, the amount of room between "normal human" and "human able to synthesize this nootropic on his own" is dramatically small in comparison to what we imagine being the maximum impact of a nootropic
14:10 < kanzure> *to what we imagine /the really good shit we don't have yet/ doing
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14:11 < kanzure> hi indigenous
14:11 < indigenous> Hello
14:12 < indigenous> Any news for me?
14:12 < kanzure> what would you be interested in?
14:13 < indigenous> Anything that is interesting :)
14:13 < indigenous> Was reading about respirocytes
14:13 < kanzure> strangewarp: actually, i guess i can imagine a nootropic that only has the effect of helping the user understand and create more of /just that/ noot.. heh
14:19 < strangewarp> Indeed, nootropics are good but not amazing - I'll probably invest in a DIY transcranial electronic stimulation rig once I have a bit of money. I'm already familiar with electronics and microcontrollers so that part is no problem (though I don't have the mathematics to build my own circuits; I've only done other people's designs)
14:20 < delinquentme> indigenous, respirocytes remind me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_substitute
14:20 < strangewarp> Speaking of, time to solder a bunch of parts into a PCB for a musical synthesizer :3
14:21 < delinquentme> you know theres a light blue liquid which can be transfused @ 2 units a minute for massive blood loss :D
14:21 < delinquentme> they use it in like mexico and other places
14:23 < delinquentme> strangewarp: so far, none of the nootropics seem to be strong enough to make even 0.1% of its users to the level necessary to realize how exactly to manufacture it to their advantage (i.e. for less than what they pay per month)  << what are you after here?
14:23 < delinquentme> kanzure, ^^
14:23 < strangewarp> you scared me for a minute there :p
14:24 < indigenous> delinquentme: Thanks for that.
14:25 < indigenous> delinquentme: the Pentagon of United States. . .artificial blood. . . wounded soldiers. . produced for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
14:26 < delinquentme> indigenous, its crazy to think that some of this shit is *IN USE*
14:29 < indigenous> It is at times
14:30 < indigenous> Sort of related. Currectly reading http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20090129
14:30 < indigenous> Open access
14:34 < kanzure> strangewarp: they don't cost that much.. $100 or something
14:34 < kanzure> less than groceries
14:35 < kanzure> i mean, in parts
15:04 < jrayhawk> I wonder if meth manages 0.1%
15:06 < jrayhawk> clearly a question we'll have to put to quantifiedself
15:08 < jrayhawk> coffee probably hits over fifty
15:08 < kanzure> fifty what?
15:08 < jrayhawk> percent
15:09 < kanzure> what? 50% of caffeine users definitely do not make their own caffeine production pipeline
15:09 < kanzure> they usually buy it in bulk
15:09 < jrayhawk> oh, you didn't define "manufacture" very well
15:09 < kanzure> also: i've never really checked but i dunno if meth labs are run by people on meth
15:10 < jrayhawk> I don't think anybody but other tweakers would really be willing to interact with tweakers.
15:10 < jrayhawk> Tweakers are scary motherfuckers.
15:14 < kanzure> wait a second
15:14 < kanzure> so in the movie limitless, the character is portrayed as having enhanced brain function
15:14 < kanzure> but even then he still goes and hires some undergrad to figure out the formula/synthesis
15:15 < jrayhawk> the message is clear: you have to be an idiot to do undergrad work
15:15 < kanzure> "synthetiqs" would be a cool name for a nootropics company
15:16 < jrayhawk> "synthetique"
15:16 < katsmeow-afk> speaking of drugs, has anyone found a new supplier of adrafinal?
15:17 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i hate myself for having thought of that
15:17 < katsmeow-afk> and speaking of "drugs", the trial run today of 50g protien shake when waking up, followed later by one small sammich, i have not felt the need to eat all day
15:18 < Mokbortolan_> katsmeow-afk: seriously, just get some modafinil
15:18 < kanzure> "Illicit industrial-scale methamphetamine and MDMA chemical factory (Cikande, Indonesia)"
15:18 < kanzure> why is it illicit in indonesia?
15:18 < katsmeow-afk> cost
15:18 < Mokbortolan_> adrafinil is not good for your liver
15:18 < katsmeow-afk> besides, i wasn't taking full doses of it
15:19 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: dude was busy
15:19 < Mokbortolan_> and that guy had the equipment
15:19 < Mokbortolan_> at some point, you just start tacking additional brains onto your own rather than enhancing yours to do everything
15:20 < Mokbortolan_> and I bet he eventually did when he had a few spare hours
15:20  * katsmeow-afk still would be happy with an olde 8087 tacked on
15:20 < kanzure> i wonder how difficult a microfluidic meth lab would be
15:20  * Mokbortolan_ postulates on the actions of a fictional character.
15:20 < jrayhawk> katsmeow-afk: You'll probably get better results with solid food; liquified food gets absorbed real fast and it's hard to avoid an insulin spike with it.
15:20 < katsmeow-afk> jrayhawk, i did eat that ssmall sammich, and i plan on a small fish sammich before dark o'clock
15:21 < jrayhawk> What are your goals, here?
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15:21 < katsmeow-afk> here in channel, or here irl, or here with food, or etc?
15:21 < jrayhawk> With the food.
15:21 < katsmeow-afk> weight loss
15:22 < jrayhawk> Ah.
15:22 < katsmeow-afk> say,,, 100lbs
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15:23 < katsmeow-afk> also, i have been chronically fatigued, no energy, too much sleepyness
15:23 < katsmeow-afk> docs here say stuff along the lines of "take it easy, and i don't prescribe speed, never come here again", and all 3 suggestions are useless or immaterial
15:25 < Steel> katsmeow-afk, tried various noots at all?
15:25 < Steel> or changing up your xanthines?
15:25 < katsmeow-afk> no, could get no feedback or advice on anything
15:25 < katsmeow-afk> the adrafinal at least kept me awake
15:26 < Steel> Mokbortolan_ and myself, possibly kanz as well have all done an amount of reading on noots
15:26 < katsmeow-afk> lotta noots out there, documentations too, but i don't know anyone on anything
15:27 < kanzure> you should do what ray and fenn do
15:27 < kanzure> just take everything by the handful
15:28 < kanzure> gobs and gobs of noots
15:28 < katsmeow-afk> heh
15:29 < Steel> katsmeow-afk, I don't have a lot of time now, but you can poke me later for papers if you want
15:29 < Steel>  /r/nootropics is also (somewhat) useful
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15:30 < katsmeow-afk> "/r/nootropics " means what?
15:30 < Mokbortolan_> katsmeow-afk: where are you in the world?
15:30 < katsmeow-afk> southeast usa
15:30 < Mokbortolan_> it's a reference to Reddit.com
15:31 < katsmeow-afk> ah, been there, will go again
15:31 < Mokbortolan_> reddit is a massive forum, with thousands of sub forums
15:31 < Vicarious> hi
15:31 < katsmeow-afk> yeas
15:31 < Mokbortolan_> /r/nootropics is one such subforum
15:31 < katsmeow-afk> i did not know the notation, thanks
15:31 < Mokbortolan_> so you just type reddit.com/r/nootropics
15:31 < Mokbortolan_> or you can do nootropics.reddit.com
15:32 < katsmeow-afk> seems it must be http://www.reddit... , http://reddit... fails, just fyi
15:33 < katsmeow-afk> drat, gotta afk a few, thanks again, Mokbortolan_, will look it over
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19:25 < jrayhawk> fenn: http://jackkruse.com/cold-thermogenesis-6-the-ancient-pathway/ somewhat more detail if you happen to have any patience left
19:26 < foucist> cold showers FTW
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20:59 < kanzure> "Oddly enough, cheese is one of them. So stick your knife in a nice big piece of cheddar and you might make it through just fine."
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21:13  * katsmeow-afk cringes at his use of the written language
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21:41 < katsmeow-afk> Kruse keeps saying "cold" , but hasn't quantified it, what temperature is he talking about?
21:50 < jrayhawk> http://jackkruse.com/the-evolution-of-the-leptin-rx/ has some methodology
21:51 < jrayhawk> as with everything else, it's surrounded by annoying intuition/thought process cruft
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21:57 < katsmeow-afk> If you get lightheaded (and faint and drown) this means your not ready for the tub.
21:57 < katsmeow-afk> as also opposed to you're not ready
21:58  * katsmeow-afk is going to lose weight just from constant cringing while reading the written errors
21:59 < kanzure> amputation is a good way to lose weight
21:59 < kanzure> have you considered amputating your body off of your head
21:59 < yashgaroth> legs are p. much obsolete these days
21:59 < katsmeow-afk> and cold causing cell death can lead to amputaion, so i guess his plan works!
22:01 < kanzure> i wonder if i should add a medical advisory to this channel's /topic
22:01 < katsmeow-afk> what is his aversion to metals? he puts 32F ice on his skin to lower it to 55F, while apparently saying a 55F cold plate is dangerous
22:02 < yashgaroth> to be fair to his lunacy, metal does have a much higher thermal conductivity than ice
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22:03 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, but the 55F metal will not drop below 55F, while the 32F ice will
22:06 < yashgaroth> sure, but [some bullshit about hormones]
22:06 < katsmeow-afk> oh
22:06 < yashgaroth> reads like a dr. bronner's soap bottle
22:06 < yashgaroth> except with science instead of judaism
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22:07 < yashgaroth> hahaha "SKEPTICS: You wanted data, and now I am killing you with it."
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22:23 < kanzure> http://www.starwars.com/news/ralph_mcquarrie_remembered.html
22:23 < kanzure> win 6
22:23 < kanzure> fjasdklfjadjfa
22:23 < kanzure> why is irssi breaking on me :(
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22:46 < Steel> hey kanz, found somebody out there interested in this shit who's actually doing useful shit unlike me
22:46 < kanzure> is that a question?
22:46 < Steel> no, a statement
22:46 < kanzure> oh
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22:52 < Steel> Mokbortolan_, you around?
22:52 < kanzure> Steel: were you going to say anything else
22:52 < kanzure> or just leave me hanging
22:53 < Steel> kanzure, a guy who does ubiquitous computing, distributing/networked computing, and automated facial tracking and recognition
22:53 < Steel> also a transhumanist, if not really involved in any group
22:54 < kanzure> ok...?
22:54 < Steel> let me be happy I find useful people :P
22:54 < Steel> and can update them on what other people are working on they might find interesting
22:54 < kanzure> NO YOU MUST NOT BE THERE ARE RULES ABOUT THESE THINGS
22:54 < kanzure> alright whatever
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23:01 < foucist> Steel: the kanz is just jealous of your guy
23:02 < Steel> nah
23:02 < Steel> kanz is tired of me being all talk
23:02 < Steel> and no do :P
23:02 < Steel> My thesis is due by middle of april, kanzure, you can read it if you want when I'm done :P
23:13 < kanzure> Steel: http://phdchallenge.org/
23:13 < kanzure> 2010 was "i smoke crack rocks" http://phdchallenge.org/call-for-participation-2010
23:15 < Steel> hah, no. I want to leave as soon as possible.
23:17 < kanzure> i think the winner was sort of cheating
23:17 < kanzure> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~gparent/papers/amt-transcript.pdf
23:17 < kanzure> not exactly subtle to directly quote it
23:31 < Steel> kanz, feedback? http://transhumani.com/topic67.html
23:32 < Steel> (in here, obv)
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23:36 < kanzure> Steel: yeah my first thought is.. use some hall effect sensors
23:36 < kanzure> or some other magnetometer
23:51 < Steel> ah, to check against?
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