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01:49 < Mokbortolan_> well
01:49 < Mokbortolan_> that took a lot less time than I thought
01:50  * Mokbortolan_ got his bodybugg/armband working without a subscription.
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03:48 < JayDugger1> Athletic performance improved by intermittent cooling--any papers?
03:48 < JayDugger1> Well done M.
03:50 < JayDugger1> You know about openyou.org?
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04:27 < strangewarp> Hmm
04:28 < strangewarp> I've just had a really weird philosophical idea, using several concepts that I doubt many people are fully familiar with in the way that I've combined them; but the theology gets a little heavy, and there is one moderate if not crippling flaw (which could probably be fixed, but I'm not a mathematician and it would probably take soe heavy maths to find a solution to it).
04:29 < strangewarp> So idk wtf
05:17 < Replop> did you write down those  things ?
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05:28 < strangewarp> Yes, but now I feel kind of waffly about them
05:38 < ThomasEgi> waffles.. now i am hungry...
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07:09 < fazefusion> AHHHH
07:10 < uniqanomaly> :)
07:10 < fazefusion> hi
07:10 < fazefusion> my god this is heaven for me
07:10 < fazefusion> http://biohakker.com
07:10 < fazefusion> thats my workplace
07:11 < fazefusion> anyone here?
07:11 < fazefusion> you gotta register to see the rest of my work
07:11 < fazefusion> thats only a glimpse
07:13 < ThomasEgi> hm. seems to be mostly c++ topics there?
07:13 < ThomasEgi> oh
07:13 < ThomasEgi> what else is up there?
07:14 < fazefusion> everything related to biology
07:14 < fazefusion> biohacking
07:14 < fazefusion> you gotta register though
07:14 < fazefusion> it's good stuff
07:14 < fazefusion> not for public eyes
07:15 < ThomasEgi> anything related to implants and connecting eletronics to the nerve-system?
07:15 < fazefusion> nah
07:15 < fazefusion> not that sort of thing
07:15 < fazefusion> I have life extension
07:15 < fazefusion> approaches and nootropics research
07:15 < fazefusion> rejuvenation, muscle, fatloss, but no transhumanism
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07:30 < strangewarp> Thing that peeves me off: People who use the word "statist" to mean "not libertarian", when it ought to mean "not futurist".
07:31 < fazefusion> eh?
07:31 < fazefusion> why would you want to be a machine?
07:31 < fazefusion> eugh
07:31 < fazefusion> but maybe... yeah it sounds nice
07:31 < fazefusion> to be powerful, like deus Ex HR
07:31 < fazefusion> i'm dying to play that game
07:31 < fazefusion> gonna get it this week
07:32 < strangewarp> I.. don't see.. how you got that from the thing I said.. but I also take issue with basically everything you have said in the past minute on some level
07:32  * strangewarp rubs temples
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07:33 < fazefusion> wasn't referring to your comment
07:33 < fazefusion> just curious about this channel
07:33 < strangewarp> oh, fair enough
07:34 < strangewarp> Most people here want to at least become way better humans, from what I gather
07:34 < fazefusion> yeah me too
07:35 < fazefusion> but there is no need to relate to machines
07:35 < fazefusion> for such a purpose
07:35 < strangewarp> Humans are machines made out of meat and gloop
07:35 < fazefusion> we can use biotechnology
07:35 < fazefusion> I like being organic
07:37 < uniqanomaly> some don't
07:37 < ThomasEgi> well for starters. our non-organic technology is pretty awesome
07:37 < ThomasEgi> so you can gain quite some benefits from combining both
07:45 < strangewarp> Embodiment is a pretty loaded subject for me, since I originally drifted into transhumanism after becoming philosophically unsatisfied in the furry community :S (pretty sure there are hardly any others who took such a trajectory, and good luck getting anyone to admit it)
07:53 < strangewarp> I am moderately compelled to try to eventually end up in a position where I have more options than the boring baseline human form. I anticipate that such options would be an incidental side-effect of more useful, helpful technological developments, which I came to realize are objectively good in themselves (an uncontroversial transhumanist opinion).
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08:00 < strangewarp> More direct response: there is nothing particularly bad about wanting to be mechanical (the implication being: uploading yourself). Even if you worry about existential continuity, which I only worry about in the loosest possible terms, it would probably be possible to gradually replace the brain with a given substrate anyway. Less of a jolt to existential/experiential continuity than going to sleep and waking up.
08:05 < strangewarp> Not quite sure how I was prompted into the former tangent, there, in hindsight.
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08:46 < nathaniel> strangewarp, RE "statist": YES. at least someone else is defining the state as a transhumanist meta-technology of sorts which is simply unavailable to the majority of humanity. I was not aware you people existed <3
08:48 < strangewarp> nathaniel: I just despise the fact that, while by all reasonable measure, "statist" should mean "the opposite of a futurist", it has somehow become the word people use for "person who hates Ron Paul". And I am like.. whut. Why are you using that word to mean that thing?! This doesn't make sense and is bad!!
08:52 < strangewarp> Incidentally, I may have made an error - I thought the etymology of "statist" came from "static", as in "staying still", but it actually comes from "state"...
08:52 < strangewarp> So, I may have to discard that passionate opinion on semantics..
08:54 < strangewarp> Etymology is a harsh mistress, apparently :\
08:55 < strangewarp> Luckily, I also agree that the state is a meta-technology that could be extended to every individual, in several ways but not others, so I haven't completely lost face :p
08:57 < strangewarp> Now I'm without a proper word for using against anti-futurists, though. Urgh
08:58 < nathaniel> luddites.
08:58 < strangewarp> That implies a caricaturethat can be shrugged off, sadly...
08:58 < nathaniel> yesterdists
08:58 < strangewarp> I'm liking that one, hmm
08:58 < nathaniel> well
08:58 < nathaniel> primitivist captures most of it
08:59 < nathaniel> though comes with a little semantic baggage
08:59 < strangewarp> Indeed..
09:00 < strangewarp> In one of my notebooks I sketched out a Futurist Political Compass, with one axis as Transhumanist-Neoprimitivist and the other as Pastoralist-Antipastoralist...
09:00 < nathaniel> sounds good. but no one will have any idea what the hell you're talking about :P
09:00 < strangewarp> That was the problem, yes
09:01 < nathaniel> political compasses bother me, though
09:01 < strangewarp> Indeed, I only intended it to capture the positions that relied on the interaction of opinions-on-technology and opinions-on-nature
09:02 < nathaniel> political n-spheres would work better in almost any situation
09:02 < nathaniel> if you're finding yourself stuck to an axis that appears to have definite opposites, the semantics of the axis are probably too general
09:03 < nathaniel> *not general
09:03 < nathaniel> bleh. I'll just go with whatever definitions arise with greater human intercommunication
09:04 < nathaniel> recently I've been going with "empathetic transhumanist" :/
09:04 < strangewarp> Aye... the definitions I ended up picking out for the four corner-positions are quite obscure and useless
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09:07 < strangewarp> Pastoral transhumanist extremist position: Rewilding. This as defined by Karl Schroeder, where advanced technology is made to emulate nature. Antipastoral transhumanist extremist position: Extropian. That ought to be familiar here, at least. Antipastoral primitivist extremist position: Melancology. This was defined in the first symposium on black metal theory to denote a particular infinitely-bleak-and-cruel aesthetic. Past
09:08 < strangewarp> Looking back at it, it's only about as useful as the original Political Compass - not very useful at all.
09:08 < rkos> i think nature is often infinitely bleak and cruel
09:10 < strangewarp> definitely. Everything primitivist on the axis is by necessity cruel to some degree; whether it's pastoral or antipastoral dictates whether or not it's romanticized.
09:11 < rkos> shouldnt we first be getting our technology to match the versatility of biological systems and then exapand into something completely new
09:12 < strangewarp> Certainly
09:13 < rkos> i sometimes wonder though, if we can reduce biology to tools made to perform a certain function, where does that leave us?
09:13 < strangewarp> With ideation, aesthetic, and semiotic.
09:13 < vrs> superkuh: hey, guess what I found
09:13 < vrs> superkuh: A Better Matrix Revolutions.txt
09:14 < vrs> so I did save it
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10:32 < strangewarp> Hmmmm
10:32 < strangewarp> Someone needs to do a yudkowsky_ebooks gag account on twitter.
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10:56 < AdrianG> HI
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12:01 < kanzure> strangewarp: there's already a yudkowsky gag account.. http://twitter.com/FakeEliezer
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12:28 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r22l7/8200_strong_researchers_band_together_to_force/
12:28 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/18/8200-strong-researchers-band-together-to-force-science-journals-to-open-access/
12:28 < klafka> yeah pretty awesome
12:32 < kanzure> it's just an update
12:32 < kanzure> 8200 is pretty weak
12:33 < kanzure> well, at least it's being reported
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13:11 < AdrianG> how are they going to open access
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13:20 < thylane> lol
13:20 < thylane> Eliezer   Yudkowsky is fruity dude
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13:23 < kanzure> open science recap at pycon 2012 https://us.pycon.org/2012/community/openspaces/openscience/
13:24 < kanzure> something something about an open-science framework http://pyvideo.org/video/690/saturday-evening-lightning-talks-60-minutes/
13:24 < kanzure> numpy foundation for pen code for usable science http://numfocus.org/
13:24 < kanzure> http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2012/02/22/learn-how-to-contribute-to-science/
13:25 < kanzure> holy carp you can donate to a numpy foundation?
13:27 < kanzure> "anthony scopatz: i think, therefore i amino acid" aacckk
13:27 < kanzure> http://numfocus.org/?page_id=14
13:27 < kanzure> in general donating to numpy and scipy seems like good things to tell people to do, if they want to donate to something that has positive impact
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13:36 < klafka> http://continuum.io/
13:36 < kanzure> eh i would be more interested if they showed some examples
13:36 < klafka> i talked to travis oliphant about it at strata
13:36 < kanzure> "Well, we just dumped the core matrix/array classes into redis"
13:37 < kanzure> oh what did he say?
13:37 < klafka> basically that it was a work in progressand they weren't ready to release anything yet
13:37 < klafka> that's what it seemed like
13:37 < klafka> he didn't give details
13:38 < klafka> but he was saying that he wanted to offer it as a service company
13:38 < kanzure> sure
13:38 < klafka> while adding back a lot of stuff to numpy
13:38 < thylane> http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/18/8200-strong-researchers-band-together-to-force-science-journals-to-open-access/
13:39 < kanzure> thylane: scroll up.. the link was dropped earlier
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14:16 < kanzure> more brainbow images http://www.cell.com/cell_picture_show-brainbow
14:17 < kanzure> some of these look new
14:17 < kanzure> "Here the intercrossed muscle fibers in the tongue of a mouse embryo (day 14) are labeled with random combinations of the fluorescent proteins dTomato (red), YFP (green) and Cerulean (blue). "
14:18 < kanzure> "Here the "Confetti" gene is transiently activated in all liver cells in a mouse ~4 weeks of age. As a result, each cell independently recombines the "Confetti" gene toward one of four fluorescent proteins."
14:18 < archels> http://www.wimp.com/camerarocket/
14:19 < archels> kanzure: How's it different from Brainbow?
14:26 < kanzure> archels: different cells targetted
14:26 < kanzure> also, i think these are different people/projects
14:28 < kanzure> tron dance routine.. time to pick up some electroluminescent wiring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHJkyMo9MtU
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14:38 < ThomasEgi> pretty neat
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16:19 < kanzure> hi yashgaroth
16:19 < kanzure> hi eudoxia
16:19 < yashgaroth> hi kanz
16:19 < eudoxia> hello
16:22 < Vicarious> hi
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16:30 < AdrianG> http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/50076-tdcs-thread/page__st__60
16:30 < AdrianG> hook up your brainz to a battery, yo
16:32 < kanzure> um.. there seems to be someone in that thread promoting his astral projection theories?
16:32 < kanzure> why haven't the mods killed that guy yet
16:51 < Mokbortolan_> well, self-hypnosis-induced-hallucinations are... interesting
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17:24 < thesnark> kanzure ping
17:24 < kanzure> pong
17:25 < thesnark> get my mail?
17:25 < kanzure> yes i think i replied by ics confirmation
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19:06 < kanzure> i wonder if anyone has wired up a radio-controlled starfish
19:06 < kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=radio-controlled+asteroidea
19:07 < kanzure> "Your search - radio-controlled asteroidea - did not match any articles."
19:07 < kanzure> :'(
19:14 < kanzure> mike treder missing in detroit https://plus.google.com/u/0/108797589939818481328/posts/GYUejw4xzuS
19:16 < yashgaroth> can't think of a worse city to go missing in, in the states
19:16 < kanzure> http://www.facebook.com/mike.treder
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19:42 < Thorbinator> http://thepiratebay.se/blog/210
19:45 < thylane> http://imgur.com/gallery/WOUia
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20:25 < kanzure> ray kurzweil charges $35-$50k/hour?
20:25 < kanzure> http://oreilly.com/social-media/excerpts/9780596802004/why-speakers-earn-30k-an-hour.html
20:25 < kanzure> more like a singularity of speaking engagement fees
20:28 < Steel2> gotta pay for all those meds
20:30 < kanzure> i guess i'm not surprised
20:30 < kanzure> he's booked all year for speaking engagements apparently
20:31 < kanzure> so he's consistently making at least 20k/week
20:31 < kanzure> what i'm more surprised about is the events that i've seen him at
20:31 < kanzure> these events weren't bringing in enough money to pay for that..
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20:31 < kanzure> hi spaes
20:31 < spaes> hey kanzure
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20:52 < kanzure> battlefield3 "but with NES sound effects" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PBufdfcE
20:56 < joshcryer> an improvement
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21:37 < kanzure> android kernel getting merged back into upstream linux https://lwn.net/Articles/472984/
22:05 < AdrianG> damn
22:05 < AdrianG> 20k a week
22:06 < AdrianG> what happened to treder
22:07 < katsmeow-afk> anyone see this? http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
22:08 < Steel2> kanzure, he does care about what he talks about (pro bono speaking) he just wants to maximize his profit as well
22:09 < uniqanomaly> katsmeow-afk: martial law?
22:09 < Steel2> no, that's him trying to bring back jobs it looks like
22:10 < katsmeow-afk> cept some jobs are unpaid
22:10 < kanzure> Steel2: ray's views on the future are very different from the views that tend to be expressed in here
22:10 < Steel2> I know that
22:10 < katsmeow-afk> and federal gov gets precidence in all activities
22:10 < kanzure> he might care about what he talks about
22:10 < AdrianG> katsmeow-afk: wuts dat
22:10 < kanzure> but sort of like someone who picks stocks
22:10 < katsmeow-afk> The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation <<== aka to "hire" them, but not pay them
22:11 < Steel2> My point is the reason he attends events that can't pay his speaking fee is because he cares
22:11 < katsmeow-afk> well, it essentailly nationalised a lot of stuff to the federal gov
22:11 < Steel2> but he's still trying to maximize his profit
22:11 < Steel2> (my guess)
22:11 < kanzure> Steel2: not sure, i think the events still paid him
22:11 < katsmeow-afk> To reduce current or projected shortfalls of resources, critical technology items, or materials essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 302 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2092, to make loans thereunder.
22:11 < uniqanomaly> not even a bowl of rice?
22:11 < kanzure> you can't charge $30k one week and then $0 the next
22:12 < Steel2> you can make huge discounts tho
22:12 < Steel2> maybe not pro bono then
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