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01:20 < strangewarp> Hmmm
01:21 < strangewarp> Does anyone actually have a positive opinion of Alex Knapp?
01:21 < strangewarp> He seems dedicated to worshipping ancient Roman wisdom, and posting about how any interesting tech developments are centuries away, even though he is supposedly Discover magazine's transhumanist correspondent.
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01:32 < Steel2> strangewarp: He actually works for forbes
01:33 < lichen> they only have one?
01:34 < Steel2> he's just a staff writer for forbes
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01:57 < strangewarp> oh, hmmm
01:58 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17183890  :  Woman considers hand removal for bionic replacement
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02:39 < Coornail> well I guess I would want to do the same
02:40 < Coornail> and that robotic arm on the bottom just looks absolutely awesome
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06:02 < JayDugger1> ls
06:02 < JayDugger1> Shit.
06:02 < JayDugger1> Wrong window.
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06:20 < JayDugger1> Good morning, everyone.
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07:25 < kanzure> damn you all hop online at roughly the same time
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07:46 < kanzure> hi mindbound
07:46 < mindbound> Hi!
07:46 < Mariu> hey kanzure, mindbound
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07:47 < kanzure> aw
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07:48 < kanzure> mindbound: what's up?
07:51 < mindbound> Nothing much, accidentally stumbled upon this chan. What's up here?
07:51 < Mariu> brb
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07:51 < kanzure> mindbound: global world domination
07:51 < mindbound> I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
07:51 < kanzure> starting with cybernetic flying beetles
07:51 < kanzure> then we'll move up to cybernetic flying starfishes
07:52 < mindbound> And from there, it's just a step to cybernetic flying octopi.
07:52 < kanzure> correct
07:54 < strangewarp> better have a trapdoor to disgorge some darn sashimi
07:54 < strangewarp> I covet this
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08:00 < kanzure> "The evolving threat of antimicrobial resistance" http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2012/9789241503181_eng.pdf
08:01 < kanzure> "Canadian Integrated Programme for Antimicrobial Resistance Surveillance"
08:01 < kanzure> these names are still awesome
08:01 < kanzure> "antibiotic resistance surveillance"
08:02 < Mariu> :p
08:03 < kanzure> so according to page 82 the only recent techniques are cyclic lipopetides and oxazolidinones
08:05 < kanzure> "The Roll Back Malaria initiative estimates the R&D costs at approximately US $800 million per new malaria vaccine" man we suck
08:10 < archels> fuck vaccines, we need that laser system to shoot mosquitos out of the air.
08:10 < ThomasEgi> someone called for an engineer?
08:10  * ThomasEgi gets his welding goggles
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08:13 < kanzure> hi zacharycohn
08:14 < zacharycohn> hi kanzure
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10:06 < delinquentme> kanzure, is there a data aggregator for companies who are cool w giving out public data and want data hackers to make novel correlations on that data?
10:06 < kanzure> infochimps
10:06 < kanzure> datamarket
10:06 < kanzure> aaron swartz used to run theinfo.org... dunno what happened to that
10:13 < jrayhawk> netflix had that recommendation contest
10:24 < kanzure> which they promptly shat on
10:25 < kanzure> wikileaks has some nice data
10:39 < delinquentme> WHY ARE SO MANY STARTUPS PISS POOR BORING
10:39 < delinquentme> UGH.
10:41 < strangewarp> Because that is what the environment believes will be profitable
10:41 < strangewarp> Nice, realistic, sadness-inducing boredom
10:41 < strangewarp> very savvy
10:48 < delinquentme> fml
10:48 < delinquentme> i dont say that lightly
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11:03 < kanzure> i don't even understand how these people can justify or legitimize their existence
11:03 < kanzure> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dERxQ1F5b1RKX3hDTC0xVnRRaWk3Q2c6MA
11:03 < kanzure> "Please check off from these options how you would prefer to be ass-raped. Thanks."
11:03 < kanzure> this is woodrow wilson center's latest "synthetic biology project" (a ... survey)
11:05 < kanzure> "Ensure that the negative consequences of synthetic biology applications with long-term effects, such as changing the human microbiome or the production of synbio-based fuel, are benign (or limited)"
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11:05 < kanzure> ALSE. you can't regulate whether or not I consider it a negative consequence.
11:05 < kanzure> *FALSE
11:06 < kanzure> "Determine whether future oversight in the United States should be based on synthetic biology products, or on the processes used to create them"
11:06 < kanzure> FALSE: future oversight is not something i've agreed to yet
11:06 < kanzure> "Ensure that ethical, legal, and social concerns are addressed in a legitimate manner, and identify and include groups that should be represented in this broader discussion"
11:06 < kanzure> FALSE: i don't care what you think
11:06 < kanzure> "Decide which social, ethical and religious issues will be incorporated into the governance and regulatory structures, who will make these decisions, and how the issues will be incorporated"
11:06 < kanzure> FALSE: i don't care about your regulatory structures, and will ignore you if you impede me anyway
11:07 < kanzure> "Ban certain applications that pose a significant threat (deadly viruses, re-engineered human stem cells)"
11:07 < kanzure> FALSE: i will do it anyway, screw your bans
11:07 < kanzure> "Regulate the Do-It-Yourself biology community"
11:07 < kanzure> hahaha
11:07 < kanzure> "Identify intellectual property-related (IP) issues specific to synthetic biology and consider changes to the current patent and copyright systems"
11:07 < kanzure> FALSE: IP is bullshit
11:08 < kanzure> "Explore which IP regimes have worked “best” historically"
11:08 < kanzure> FALSE: screw that
11:08 < kanzure> "Make sure the concept of risk (in addition to benefits) is properly communicated by scientists and policymakers to the public, particularly members of the public with low scientific literacy"
11:08 < kanzure> FALSE: your theory of risk sucks
11:08 < kanzure> "Educate journalists to promote clear and unexaggerated reporting on achievements in synthetic biology"
11:08 < kanzure> ^good luck with that one.. gah
11:09 < kanzure> in conclusion, i think their survey is wrong and completely biased towards pro-regulatory pro-risk-thinking individuals
11:09 < kanzure> (i mean "pro-[risk-is-a-good-way-to-think-about-things] indviduals")
11:10 < lichen> nobody's going to say they think high risk behaviors should go unreported
11:10 < kanzure> "high risk behaviors"... like breeding children THAT MIGHT TAKE OVER THE WORLD?
11:11 < kanzure> Therefore, we should ban sex immediately
11:11 < kanzure> your logic sucks
11:12 < lichen> ...?
11:12 < lichen> dude i was agreeing with you
11:13 < kanzure> you said "nobody's going to say x" suggesting that you support "nobody saying x" where x is somewhat related to what i'm arguing
11:13 < lichen> youre skewing what i said
11:13 < kanzure> ok please state exactly what you mean
11:13 < lichen> what i meant was the way the question is framed doesnt accurately respresent the argument in question
11:13 < lichen> its framed in such a way that its very unlikely anyone would disagree with it
11:14 < kanzure> yep.. "Would you like it up the ass or down the throat first?"
11:14 < lichen> like this -> "Ensure that the negative consequences of synthetic biology applications with long-term effects, such as changing the human microbiome or the production of synbio-based fuel, are benign (or limited)"
11:15 < lichen> nobody would disagree that you want to think about the effects of what youre doing
11:15 < lichen> well maybe some would, but i digress
11:15 < lichen> its not as important a focus as what the issues might actually be
11:16 < kanzure> nobody would disagree with that quote, but you absolutely know that they are going to use responses to limit the development of those technologies
11:16 < lichen> regulatory committees have a tendency to go heavy
11:16 < lichen> no unnecessary risk and all that stuff
11:17 < kanzure> have you ever looked up "theory of risk"? it turns out it's based on the old "gods of fortune" thing
11:17 < kanzure> i.e. prayer
11:17 < lichen> i havent, though id imagine it has much more to do with statistical analysis
11:17 < kanzure> the concept of "risk" existed long before stats
11:17 < lichen> well clearly
11:18 < kanzure> `When the terminology of risk took ground, it replaced the older notion that thought "in terms of good and bad fortune."`
11:18 < kanzure> `Niklas Luhmann (1996) seeks to explain this transition: "Perhaps, this was simply a loss of plausibility of the old rhetorics of Fortuna as an allegorical figure of religious content and of prudentia as a (noble) virtue in the emerging commercial society."`
11:21 < kanzure> the question shouldn't be "Do we want bad things to happen?" but "Knowing that bad things can and will happen, and always assuming that they will happen, how can we solve these problems in advance?"
11:22 < kanzure> if something is truly going to kill us all, then you should work on making us invulnerable, not weaker..
11:22 < lichen> yeah
11:25 < kanzure> the whole idea of proposing to regulate DIYbio in the face of biohackers is really strange
11:25 < kanzure> that guy should be booed out of his chair
11:30 < strangewarp> Regulation feels like the right thing, to the untrained mind
11:30 < kanzure> arguments for regulation are very easy to comprehend
11:31 < kanzure> (.. if you already believe in it)
11:31 < kanzure> for me, it is very difficult to understand.. they are essentially lying to politicians, telling them that biology can be controlled like a state secret
11:31 < kanzure> with a state secret, you can shoot everyone who knows it
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14:31 < kanzure> huh.. amazon finally bought kiva
14:33 < kanzure> hi thesnark
14:34 < kanzure> thesnark: http://python-requests.org is way better than python-mechanize
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14:37 < kanzure> thesnark: wb
14:55 < thesnark> hey kanzure
15:02 < kanzure> how goes the coding?
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15:06 < thesnark> kanzure ugh...doing a school project right now =[
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15:07 < thesnark> I imagine development will continue sometime after tomorrow
15:07 < thesnark> tomorrow night at the earliest
15:10 < kanzure> pesky school getting in the way of things again
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15:11 < thesnark> kanzure 6 more weeks and Im done
15:11 < thesnark> with school, that is
15:12 < kanzure> "with life"
15:14 < thesnark> or life
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15:23 < Juul> Does anyone know where I can actually read the report mentioned in this article? http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/03/111-organizations-call-for-synth.html
15:26 < Juul> ah found it http://www.foe.org/news/blog/2012-03-global-coalition-calls-oversight-synthetic-biology
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15:30 < kanzure> Juul: let me know if there's anything interesting in there
15:30 < Juul> kanzure, ok
15:38 < kanzure> "No Patents On Life! (Germany)" sounds like a possibly useful NPO
15:57 < Replop1> What is Death , guys ?
15:58 < Replop1> it seems the question is far more open than I thought : http://www.salon.com/2012/03/18/the_evolution_of_death/?1
15:58 -!- Replop1 is now known as Replop
15:59 < kanzure> Replop: do you mean information theoretic death?
16:00 < Replop> I mean the raw definition of biological death.   "brain death" isn't the same now as it was 70 years ago, for instance
16:00 < Replop>  some irreversible transformations of the time aren't irreversible anymore , with adequate drugs
16:01 < kanzure> a chart would be nice
16:01 < Replop> researchs seems to be  on progress.
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16:51 < uniqanomaly> 'emerging technology that is developing rapidly yet remains largely unregulated' funny how regulating anything slows progress, maybe thats the point?
16:51 < A-Lusion> flying cars :I
16:51 < kanzure> i don't think slowing is a good idea
16:52 < kanzure> i'm a little disappointed that you support that
16:52 < uniqanomaly> kanzure: so many assumptions, where you got that :D
16:52 < kanzure> "funny how regulating anything slows progress, maybe that's the point"
16:52 < uniqanomaly> I'm hard core libertarian
16:53 < kanzure> many libertarian orgs are listed on that pdf juul linked to
16:53 < uniqanomaly> yeah perhaps my wording is to blame partially
16:53 < kanzure> it is very easy to misconstrue these things
16:53 < uniqanomaly> I meant maybe that's their point
16:53 < kanzure> it is their point.. their point is broken, because i can just ignore them
16:55 < uniqanomaly> oh yeah we regulate it and then terrorists will be like "oh my god its illegal I can't do that"
16:55 < uniqanomaly> haha
16:55 < A-Lusion> emerging technology allows us in due to be more humble and constructive towards one another and engaged in it's implications and liabilities as well as prospects and possibilities without having giving it up to the regulators to make it worse and add training wheels to it while they can exploit it for control / poower
16:55 < uniqanomaly> >>>oh yeah we regulate it and then terrorists will be like "oh my god its illegal I can't do that"<<< their POV
16:56 < kanzure> A-Lusion: no they basically want to stop it
16:56 < uniqanomaly> idiotic justifications of everything to cover hidden agenda
16:56 < fenn> disruptive technology is terrorism towards established corporations
16:56 < A-Lusion> unless they can make a profit off of it.
16:56 < kanzure> hi fenn!
16:56 < fenn> good day
16:57 < kanzure> su was a little upset that i wasn't pitching full genome synthesis
16:58 < fenn> are you in the bay area?
16:58 < kanzure> nope
16:58 < fenn> hm ok
16:58 < fenn> well, you have to consider the bullshit coefficient
16:58 < fenn> it's like an impedance mismatch
16:58 < kanzure> also they assigned me a way too high "DIYbio" weight
16:59 < fenn> if you push at 1:1 bullshit to realistic projection ratio, people get confused
16:59 < uniqanomaly> "Comprehensive public and worker participation
16:59 < uniqanomaly> should be provided throughout the decision-making
16:59 < uniqanomaly> processes involving synthetic biology.
16:59 < uniqanomaly> "
16:59 < uniqanomaly> rotfl
16:59 < kanzure> "oh since bryan associates with diybio, clearly he is only going to sell to the diybio list"
16:59 < fenn> did you explain that nobody actually wants full genome synthesis?
17:00 < kanzure> are you sure?
17:00 < kanzure> i think plasmid editing is dumb: just print what you're actually interested in (with the plasmid)
17:00 < kanzure> gene pcring is also dumb
17:00 < fenn> a plasmid isn't a genome
17:00 < kanzure> true
17:00 < fenn> whole plasmid synthesis is realistic and useful
17:01 < kanzure> Juul: what were you cliaming about endy's kids?
17:01 < kanzure> that they don't do any restriction enzyme steps?
17:02 < kanzure> fenn: ligating things together to make >100 kb is generaly useful
17:02 < kanzure> *generally
17:02 < kanzure> 100 kb isn't a genome but you can stick enough of them together
17:04 < kanzure> fenn: what have you been up to?
17:04 < fenn> drinking lots of tea
17:04 < fenn> faffing about ineffectively
17:04 < fenn> fuck
17:05 < fenn> it seems like there are 2 usable hours in every day
17:05 < Juul> kanzure, yes I believe that is the case. If I remember correctly they order the completed plasmids.
17:06 < Juul> I don't actually think this moratorium has anything to do with terrorism
17:07 < Juul> just throwing that out there
17:08 < Juul> I do think they have some good points, not that I haven't heard them before, but I think it's very foolish of them to target this at Synthetic Biology as a whole
17:08 < Juul> They could just as well have targeted it at Genetic Engineering
17:09 < Juul> "VII. Protect economic and environmental justice."
17:10 < Juul> that has everything to do with bio-fuels and almost nothing to do with the rest of synthetic biology
17:10 < kanzure> did you see that survey that todd posted to diybio?
17:10 < Juul> no?
17:12 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/55ac8e2d03216e48
17:31 < Juul> thanks
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17:40 < Juul> they got a comment-field full of complaints
17:40 < kanzure> paste! paste
17:40 < Juul> though i forgot to complain about the fact that they're using a google service for something and calling it anonymous
17:40 < kanzure> if you don't paste, only 1 person will read it
17:40 < kanzure> and that 1 person will ignore you as a loony
17:42 < Juul> http://pastebin.com/VeB7a0C8
17:42 < Juul> :P
17:42 < JayDugger1> Fenn: 2 usable hours per day? Wait until you marry. You'll fondly recall such halcyon times.
17:42 < JayDugger1> Good evening, everyone.
17:44 < Juul> evenin'
17:44 < kanzure> "If there are no videos available, why are these proceedings opaque? Why should the general public trust those who govern if they are not willing to open up their discussions to the public?"
17:45 < kanzure> pcsbi had videos :|
17:45 < Steel3> what is this in response to?
17:45 < Juul> pcsbi?
17:45 < Juul> if there are videos, why are they not linked?
17:45 < kanzure> president's commission for smoething about something about bioethics
17:45 < Juul> ah yes
17:45 < Juul> yes it did
17:46 < Juul> it seems that this only has a report
17:48 < Juul> I've been sitting here for hours with my headphones on and no music
17:48 < Juul> -_-
17:49 < katsmeow-afk> WHAT?
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> i got a headphone-mic combo, and the mic looks silly when listening to radio, and the headphones are silly when talking to the puter
17:52 < kanzure> Juul: no but really, maybe you should post that paste on the diybio list in the thread
17:52 < kanzure> at least as an anonymous user
17:52 < kanzure> "We are pleased to report our recent paper in which we surveyed
17:52 < kanzure> Lab on a Chip platforms based on microfluidics, microstructures,
17:52 < kanzure> microelectronics and microelectrode arrays which can be useful
17:52 < kanzure> for Neuroscience researchers as new tools:
17:52 < kanzure> Soe, A.K., S. Nahavandi, and K. Khoshmanesh,
17:52 < kanzure> Neuroscience goes on a chip.
17:52 < kanzure> Biosensors and Bioelectronics, available online 14 Feb 2012, in press.
17:52 < kanzure> http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.bios.2012.02.012
17:52 < kanzure> For whom do not have access to Biosensors and Bioelectronics,
17:52 < kanzure> please see the author copy (which is the uncorrected version) at:
17:52 < kanzure> http://www.deakin.edu.au/itri/cisr/recent-pub.php "
17:53 < kanzure> http://www.deakin.edu.au/itri/cisr/docs/09565663.pdf
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18:05 < kanzure> Juul: hey,
18:05 < kanzure> quick reality check
18:05 < kanzure> i think i crashed protocol-online.org
18:05 < kanzure> is it ok to post this to diybio asking if anyone knows him?
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18:31 < ybit> 15:10 < kanzure> pesky school getting in the way of things again
18:31  * ybit is through with school for a very long time
18:32 < kanzure> ybit: since when
18:32 < ybit> "I've never let my school interfere with my education." ~2 weeks ago
18:32 < kanzure> so, it has come to this
18:33 < ybit> i'm going to work full-time saving up for a move to buenos aires
18:34 < ybit> i'm finishing school, just not going back for awhile
18:34  * ybit isn't going on his school rant
18:34  * ybit walks away from the keyboard
18:36 < kanzure> ybit: you could come live with me and hack the pokemans
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18:54 < ybit> hah! that sounds like a lot of fun, but i can save faster here
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19:41 < Juul> kanzure, haha
19:41 < Juul> kanzure, I wouldn't do it. I would take the same approach used by many when finding exploits: Stay anonymous at all costs.
19:42 < Juul> He might be a decent guy, but worst case scenario is that he drags you to court.
19:42 < kanzure> i am not looking for exploits
19:42 < kanzure> :x
19:42 < kanzure> i was using the site
19:42 < Juul> yes, well
19:42 < Juul> you found one
19:42 < kanzure> haha
19:42 < kanzure> haaa
19:42 < kanzure> common use?
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19:42 < Juul> did you just use it or were you scraping?
19:43 < kanzure> i was using it at a reasonable rate
19:43 < Juul> :)
19:43 < Juul> hehe, well why not just fire him a friendly anonymous email then?
19:43 < kanzure> who?
19:43 < kanzure> :|
19:45 < Juul> this guy? http://www.thomas-schenk.de/
19:45 < Juul> he owns the domain at any rate
19:45 < kanzure> lovely php error in the background
19:46 < kanzure> fsockopen - the best kind of error!
19:47 < Juul> might be related to the other crash :)
19:47 < kanzure> same ip?
19:47 < ybit> yeah
19:47 < ybit> oh, diff. conversation you two are having, nevermind
19:47 < kanzure> http://alberteinstein.info/ albert einstein document collection
19:55 < Juul> kanzure, not the same IP, but same hosting provider. Yeah probably not related unless he's doing
19:55 < Juul> very cool
19:57 < kanzure> very cool?
19:57 < kanzure> oh, the link
19:57 < Juul> yah
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20:11 < kanzure> hi klafka
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20:54 < klafka> sup kanzure
20:59 < kanzure> not much
20:59 < kanzure> how goes it?
21:03 < klafka> bleh i am doing some drone work atm
21:08 < Juul> stallman was at noisebridge last night
21:08 < Juul> it was good to get an update on his views
21:09 < Steel2> he came to my school a few years ago
21:09 < klafka> ah damn
21:09 < klafka> i woulda gone to noisebridge for that
21:09 < Juul> ah, well i was there and didn't get to ask my questions anyway
21:09 < Steel2> y'all san fran located?
21:10 < joshcryer> His views have updated?
21:10 < joshcryer> Not being snarky, just curious.
21:11 < Juul> yes, some of that may be myself not remembering his views correctly, but at the very least his talk now deals with sass and smartphones
21:12 < Juul> he also commented more directly on piracy
21:12 < Juul> though he dislikes that term
21:12 < kanzure> do you mean saas
21:12 < kanzure> sass is the css thing
21:12 < Juul> hehe yeah
21:12 < Juul> i have a sass document open in another window :P
21:13 < kanzure> brogrammers unite!
21:13 < Juul> haha
21:13 < Juul> i'm not actually writing sass, but the designer sent me some sass
21:13 < kanzure> your designer knows sass?
21:13 < kanzure> shit
21:13 < kanzure> WHO IS YOUR DESIGNER
21:14 < joshcryer> What did he say about piracy, Juul?
21:14 < joshcryer> Time to embrace it I hope.
21:14 < joshcryer> FOSS avoids talking about it.
21:14 < Juul> hah, a german guy who is eager to learn. When we started working together two months ago he was using Windows and plain html+css. Now he runs ubuntu and uses middleman, haml and sass.
21:15 < Mariu> see you you guys
21:15 < kanzure> Juul: does he do the photoshopping?
21:15 < kanzure> or just html/css?
21:15 < Juul> kanzure, He does it all. He is very new though, but learning at a fast pace.
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21:16 < Juul> hm, i guess his new portfolio site isn't up yet. probably will be up next week then. This is him: http://lookgoodonthe.net/portfolio/
21:17 < Juul> He did Eddan Katz's website.
21:17 < Juul> I guess that's his most famous client so far.
21:18 < Juul> oh here is the new portfolio: http://jehantremback.com/
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21:20 < kanzure> Juul: ok yeah i want him
21:21 < Juul> :)
21:21 < joshcryer> Juul, is this the talk? http://socialcam.com/v/F2TjXpuf
21:21 < kanzure> Juul: so apparently gen9bio
21:21 < kanzure> is just the same thing as codon devices
21:22 < kanzure> http://www.synthesis.cc/2009/04/on-the-demise-of-condon-devices.html
21:22 < kanzure> "Codon, as described to me by various people directly involved, was imagined as a full-service engineering firm -- synthetic genes and genomes, design services, the elusive "bio-fab" that would enable one-stop conversion of design information into functional molecules and living systems"
21:22 < kanzure> eww in-house gene design
21:22 < kanzure> or i mean, out-sourced genome design
21:22 < Juul> oh. interesting
21:22 < kanzure> "Codon was founded with of order $50 million, with no actual products ready to go."
21:22 < Juul> joshcryer, sorry, didn't mean to not answer, give me a sec to type
21:22 < kanzure> hahah
21:23 < joshcryer> Juul, no worries man, I just went off and tried to find it. :)
21:23 < kanzure> "Given that the maximum possible profit margin on synthetic genes is falling exponentially, it would seem that finding value in those particular atoms is going to get harder and harder."
21:23 < kanzure> "DNA is cheap, and getting cheaper; the design of genetic circuits (resulting in bits) definitely costs more (in labor, etc.) than obtaining the physical sequence by FedEx."
21:24 < kanzure> eh the design will be by software anyway
21:24 < kanzure> i don't think that matters
21:25 < kanzure> so in other words: gen9bio looks exactly the same as codon devices
21:26 < Juul> joshcryer, so on unauthorized copies of proprietary software: Stallman's view, as interpreted by me though I try to represent it as correctly as possible based on my memories:  Stallman sees it as the lesser of two evils. If your friend asks you for a copy of a proprietary piece of software, then you have to choose between not giving it to him and giving him an illegal unauthorized copy. Both are evil, but sharing is the lesser of the two evils. In o
21:26 < Juul> rder for you not to fall into such moral dilemmas you should not use nor write proprietary software. It is Stallman's view that proprietary software is inherently evil/bad. That writing no program is always better than writing a proprietary program.
21:26 < Juul> joshcryer, yes that is the video
21:27 < Juul> kanzure, it's trying to do the same or it's the same company?
21:27 < kanzure> same founders
21:27 < kanzure> trying to do the same thing
21:27 < kanzure> different company
21:27 < katsmeow-afk> what about payment to a programmer for writing the first issue of the program, but the buyer is then free to give it away?
21:28 < Juul> ok
21:28 < Steel2> kanzure: did codon achieve anything?
21:29 < kanzure> they tanked
21:29 < Steel2> guessing they're getting given money again cuz people in charge have phds and investors throw good money after bad at biotech these days?
21:30 < kanzure> because it's george fucking church
21:31 < Steel2> meh, a good academic a good businessman does not make
21:31 < kanzure> do you know about george?
21:31 < yashgaroth> it does in church's case
21:31 < Steel2> I just looked him up
21:31 < Steel2> I'm apparently in the wrong here, so shutting up.
21:32 < kanzure> george is a monster
21:32 < kanzure> he might not be particularly effective at business
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21:32 < kanzure> but he knows how to sell himself
21:33 < Juul> i heard someone in the know say that he has founded 40 companies of which 4 have been successful
21:34 < kanzure> "co-founding (with Joseph Jacobson, Jay Keasling, and Drew Endy) Codon Devices, a biotech startup dedicated to synthetic biology, which produces DNA sequences to orde"
21:34 < kanzure> hah
21:34 < kanzure> those are the same names on http://gen9bio.com/team/
21:34 < kanzure> 1:10 is not bad
21:34 < yashgaroth> it's about average really
21:34 < kanzure> oh *founded*..
21:35 < kanzure> he sits on at least 40 boards
21:35 < Juul> huh, i didn't know the MIT Media lab had a molecular machines division. Is that related to Knight lab?
21:36 < kanzure> jacobson's group does some pretty neat shit
21:37 < Juul> i'll have to read up
21:39 < kanzure> Steel2: another guy who has founded a bunch of companies is whitesides
21:39 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M._Whitesides
21:39 < kanzure> "the other george"
21:39 < kanzure> "Whitesides is the author of more than 950 scientific articles and is listed as an inventor on more than 50 patents. He ranked 5th on Thomson ISI's list of the 1000 most cited chemists from 1981-1997."
21:40 < kanzure> "Whitesides has co-founded over 12 companies with a combined market capitalization of over $20 billion. These companies include Genzyme, GelTex, Theravance, Surface Logix, Nano-Terra, and WMR Biomedical."
21:41 < Steel2> I think one of the good ways to make money is to start a company that does commercializations for universities
21:42 < Steel2> could be wrong though
21:43 < Juul> haha, firefox restore session results in auto-start of youtube videos --> Carl Sagan and Richard Stallman talking on top of a some up-beat chip-tunes music.
21:44 < kanzure> Tron Legacy and The Digital Frontier: Billions and Billions remix
21:44 < kanzure> sounds legit to met
21:44 < kanzure> *me
21:44 < Juul> :)
21:48 < Juul> kanzure, are the gnusha logs indexed by search robots on purpose?
21:49 < Juul> it could be awkward if we're in here "shooting the shit" about someone, they google themselves and the logs show up
21:49 < Juul> though i guess we can just keep that in mind
21:50 < Juul> Search bots.
21:51 < Juul> not actual robots
21:51 < Juul> rummaging through your printed logs
21:51 < Juul> that i'm assuming are streaming out of your dot-matrix printer at all times
21:51 < Juul> I'm switching to work-mode.
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21:55 < joshcryer> Juul, sorry I afk'd to make tea, so thanks for that answer. That's perfectly reasonable from a "let's create our own stuff" standpoint, that is, pushing that narrative.
21:55 < joshcryer> (comment for log)
22:00 < katsmeow-afk> the first for-profit interpreter Bill Gates was part of selling was for the Altair 8800 , and MITS sold the interpreter for $500 a pop, giving Gates (and Paul Allen) $30 for the 4K version, $35 for the 8K version and $60 for the expanded version
22:01 < katsmeow-afk> had i known that then, i'd have gotten a much earlier start on disliking them
22:18 < kanzure> i started disliking them before they were born!
22:18 < kanzure> retrohipsterism
22:25 < kanzure> holy hell pidgin crashed
22:27 < kanzure> foucist: where are you :(
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22:41 < kanzure> hi skorket
22:41 < skorket> hey kanzure
22:46 < skorket> So I've been reading "The singularity is near" by Kurzweil, I'm sure you're all familiar with it.
22:47 < skorket> His 'sixth epoch' is when the 'universe wakes up'
22:48 < kanzure> meh
22:48 < lichen> ive been trying to read through that
22:48 < lichen> its a bit repetitive
22:48 < kanzure> yes
22:48 < skorket> yeah, he's trying to market...
22:49 < skorket> but you guys don't fundamentally disagree with anything he says.
22:50 < skorket> Maybe you disagree on the timeline or some of the specifics, but overall, we're all on the same page, right?
22:51 < skorket> Anyway, assuming that the sixth epoch is really going to happen and we create machines that try to use the energy as efficiently as possible for computation
22:52 < skorket> the next step, for our solar system at least, is to make sure the sun isn't wasting all that energy, dumping it into places where we have no use for it
22:52 < katsmeow-afk> dyson sphere
22:52 < katsmeow-afk> or at least , a ring
22:52 < skorket> or dyson sphere like
22:52 < skorket> but at this point, that means the sun would essentially go dark...
22:53 < katsmeow-afk> why?
22:54 < sylph_mako> What I gathered from Kurzweil is not much "some serious shit's gonna go down maaaan." Because I don't trust his judgement deeply. He's right about the serious shit though.
22:54 < sylph_mako> Hehehe
22:54 < skorket> because any energy escaping is waste
22:54 < katsmeow-afk> make the ring so far in that the sun dwarfs it, or build it outside the earth's orbit
22:55 < katsmeow-afk> there's some physics problems with making a sphere, even a few rings around one star in different orbit planes would be easier
22:56 < skorket> Also, since intelligence and life is the norm rather than the exception, if other civilizations have reached this point, this means they've done the same thing to their suns
22:56 < skorket> which means the universe is in the process of waking up, just constrained by the speed of light
22:56 < kanzure> some serious shit might go down, but ray's not gonna cause it
22:57 < skorket> kanzure, I don't think Kurzweil is claiming he will and I don't think anyone is arguing that he will either
22:57 < skorket> To me Kurzweil is just expanding on some obvious points and taking them to their logical conclusion
22:57 < skorket> He's wrong some of the time but otherwise it seems pretty reasonable
22:58 < skorket> I think he's just noticing patterns rather than claiming any ownership
22:58 < skorket> Anyway, that was my big revelation.  I might have some flaws in my reasoning so I wanted to talk about it a bit...
22:58 < katsmeow-afk> do you have an url for specifically his latest stuff you're talking about?
22:59 < skorket> katsmeow-afk, I've just been reading his book...The dark sun stuff is just what I've been thinking about
23:00 < kanzure> aww yeah. got a nice thunderstorm going on over here.
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23:07 < katsmeow-afk> wow, that storm is still sitting in Indiana, Ok, and Tx
23:08 < katsmeow-afk> a lil moer into Mo and Arkansa now
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23:15 < katsmeow-afk> in china today: After the increase on Tuesday, benchmark diesel will be about $1.22 (76p) per litre and 90-octane petrol about $1.17, although prices vary by region.
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23:39 < Utopiah_> http://fffff.at/free-universal-construction-kit/
23:40 < kanzure> too much artsy flare: i am probably being marketed something
23:45 < nathaniel> the open-ended construction toy cartel is at it again.
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23:47 < nathaniel> 1. get all the kids hooked on different toys
23:47 < nathaniel> 2. promote inter-toy jealousy
23:47 < nathaniel> 3. release interoperability connectors for "free"
23:48 < kanzure> 4. hire the rayhawks to do your art
23:51 < joshcryer> where's the free reprap
23:53 < fenn> tanstaafr
23:53 < fenn> don't you know that if you repeat something enough times it becomes true?*
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