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02:23 < fenn> mrr.
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06:21 < kanzure> mrr?
06:22 < Juul> mrrrr
06:23 < kanzure> Juul: penny auctions for lab equipment?
06:23 < kanzure> just an amusing thought that passed my mind yesterday..
06:24 < Juul> that'd be nice
06:24 < kanzure> do you know how penny auctions work?
06:25 < kanzure> oh wikipedia gives it a better name.. "bidding fee auction"
06:25 < kanzure> but that doesn't describe the common appearance (expensive stuff being "won" for cheap)
06:25 < Juul> yeah
06:26 < Juul> i've never participated in a penny auction though
06:26 < Juul> they're mostly useful if you're trying to give to a charity i suspect
06:27 < kanzure> yeah, no, they are almost always scams
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06:28 < kanzure> but in the case of equipment, the bidding fees could somewhat subsidize the final purchase (maybe)
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06:46 < Juul> hm
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08:30 < delinquentme> kanzure, does you what data you want on publishers?
08:31 < kanzure> what?
08:31 < kanzure> is that a sentence?
08:31 < delinquentme> gnar
08:31 < delinquentme> lolol
08:31 < delinquentme> ok it looked good in my head
08:32 < kanzure> say again
08:32 < delinquentme> I've got publisher name, url and index_url
08:32 < delinquentme> do you know what publisher meta data you want
08:33 < kanzure> you also need a list of its journals, a list of its editions, list of its volumes, founding date, last scraped date
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08:33 < kanzure> rss links would be hawt
08:34 < kanzure> a description of each journal would be nice.. usually they have a blurb describing the journal
08:34 < kanzure> annual reviews keeps all of its supplements separate.. really odd, but they are very important to catch/document http://www.annualreviews.org/db/suppl
08:35 < delinquentme> http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/03/dna-sequencing-without-the-fuss.html?ref=hp#.T3HbUAwbDe0.reddit
08:36 < delinquentme> focus on big publishers ... or "everything"
08:36 < kanzure> all of them. why not.
08:40  * delinquentme 's sanitay
08:43 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: create platform where plugins = publishers
08:43 < uniqanomaly> :P
08:45 < kanzure> a plugin architecture is about the only reasonable solution
08:45 < uniqanomaly> btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFFSystem
08:45 < uniqanomaly> peer-to-peer distributed file system
08:46 < kanzure> i don't think that's important right now
08:46 < kanzure> first step is to get the data
08:46 < kanzure> distribution is easy
08:46 < uniqanomaly> sure
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09:19 < kanzure> what are the two missing pages in between papers from any annualreview.org journal?
09:51 < delinquentme> ??
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10:00 < kanzure> bleh
10:00 < kanzure> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/237384/a-case-diy-viruses.html
10:01 < kanzure> "Todd Kuiken, a senior research associate at the Woodrow Wilson Centre in Washington who specialises in the movement"
10:01 < kanzure> no he doesn't..
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11:11 < ParahSailin> just interviewed with a bioinformatics house
11:11 < delinquentme> ^^^
11:13 < ParahSailin> im surprised i was able to answer the coding questions decently
11:13 < ParahSailin> never formally studied data structures
11:18 < kanzure> ParahSailin: what was the q?
11:19 < ParahSailin> various ones about linked lists, hash tables
11:20 < ParahSailin> its a company that has to assemble nextgen seq data
11:22 < kanzure> ah.. so crossbow + alignment, probably on clusters
11:23 < ParahSailin> i didn't get a C syntax question right though -- difference between char *p = "foo"; vs char p[] = "foo";
11:23 < kanzure> or if they have capital to blow, probably some proprietary alignment/cloud bullshit
11:23 < ParahSailin> http://www.eurekagenomics.com/ws/home.html theyve got some algorithms on pdfs there
11:24 < ParahSailin> but my edge over the CS kids is that i knew the mol bio questions well
11:24 < kanzure> "what is a sticky end" "fo rizzle my dizzle? dawg i got this"
11:25 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, DNA nexus?
11:25 < ParahSailin> eureka genomics
11:27 < ParahSailin> they were looking for a grunt technician anyway, so that might weed out some of the more qualified cs folks
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12:59 < delinquentme> I MAEK PETISHUN FOR INCREASED SUPPORT FOR GOOGLE EXPRESSIONS!
13:05  * delinquentme stufs in kanzure 's face
13:05 < delinquentme> sign.
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13:26 < kanzure> what
13:26  * Mokbortolan_1 gives delinquentme his medication.
13:26 < kanzure> my face.. something about google..
13:26 < kanzure> Ok, he googled my faicial expression
13:26 < kanzure> *facial
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14:31 < kanzure> "Post-mortem decapitation by domestic dogs: three case reports and review of the literature"
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14:33 < kanzure> if i wasn't against getting brain scanned after dying, i think i'd keep a german shephard around.
14:33 < kanzure> *if i was against
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16:17 < kanzure> "Molecular Simulation Studies of Nucleic Acid Systems for Biological Applications" (Arthi Jayaraman)
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16:19 < kanzure> yashgaroth: how goes it?
16:19 < yashgaroth> ehh
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16:24 < delinquentme> kanzure, what do german shepards have to do w brain scans?
16:36 < kanzure> delinquentme: http://imgur.com/a/MeU6t
16:37 < kanzure> delinquentme: german shephards eat their owner's brain when they die.
16:37 < delinquentme> WTF
16:37 < yashgaroth> fig. 10 goddamn
16:37 < delinquentme> naming is messed up
16:37 < kanzure> yashgaroth: it's for science.
16:37 < yashgaroth> yeah but still damn
16:37 < delinquentme> i thought they were cutting the heads off of dogs
16:37 < kanzure> nope!
16:37 < Mokbortolan_1> yeah they are
16:38 < kanzure> so if you don't want to get mind uploaded when you die.. keep one of these dogs around when you go.
16:38 < Mokbortolan_1> 1 sec
16:38 < Mokbortolan_1> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dog_robot.jpg
16:38 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_1: see also "Experiments in the Revival of Organisms"
16:38 < kanzure> on youtube.
16:39 < delinquentme> yeahhhh
16:39 < Mokbortolan_1> I saw it before youtube
16:39 < delinquentme> I think id keep my brain intact
16:39 < kanzure> delinquentme: me too
16:39 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_1: ah i guess the video is on archive.org
16:39 < delinquentme> yeahhhh
16:39 < delinquentme> i think i like fish
16:39 < Mokbortolan_1> there or AtomFilms
16:39 < Mokbortolan_1> I wonder whatever happened to Atomfilms...
16:39 < kanzure> atomfilms?
16:39 < Mokbortolan_1> reeeeally early video site
16:40 < Mokbortolan_1> focused on independent filmmakers
16:40 < Mokbortolan_1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom.com
16:40 < Mokbortolan_1> sort of the first youtube
16:41 < delinquentme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_journals
16:41 < strangewarp> If the computation put toward resimulation in all possible universes trumps the computation required to resimulate all possible minds, and if you aren't worried about existential continuity, then you're probably getting resimulated no matter what you try to do
16:41 < strangewarp> ^A funny idea I've been toying with
16:44 < delinquentme> strangewarp, you're assuming that if computation resimulation power in all universes > computing of all possible minds   == something
16:44 < delinquentme> i think that overlooks co-evolution of human / machine minds
16:44 < strangewarp> I don't see how that would matter
16:46 < delinquentme> you're assuming that you can compare them
16:47 < strangewarp> Oh right
16:47 < delinquentme> im saying if they co-evolve... as they are currently
16:47 < delinquentme> they're going to develop in different and complementary ways
16:47 < kanzure> delinquentme: they only list 336 journals for elsevier
16:47 < delinquentme> symbiotically at least at first
16:47 < kanzure> i don't think wikipedia is a good source, sorry
16:47 < delinquentme> oh not the only
16:47 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academic_journals_by_publisher
16:47 < strangewarp> Well, I am assuming a complexity boundary for what could be reasonably resimulated in a given universe, also biased towards its own history
16:49 < delinquentme> kanzure, no necessito grand list of journals?
16:51 < kanzure> delinquentme: i think a grand list is important, so that we can say we're x% complete
16:51 < kanzure> there's only <40,000 journals anyway.. it's totally doable
16:53 < delinquentme> kanzure, we dont have that list huh
16:54 < delinquentme> see the thing is I've been mulling over a way to feed in URLS and get the index lists
16:54 < kanzure> most sites are different.
16:54 < delinquentme> yeah thats what I mean
16:54 < kanzure> there's only 20 main publishers anyway
16:54 < delinquentme> how do you search a URL .. and get the indexes
16:54 < kanzure> let's not..
16:54 < kanzure> damn. you lazy.
16:54 < delinquentme> who are the publishers
16:55 < kanzure> one sec
16:55 < delinquentme> that makes an awesome programmer!
16:56 < delinquentme> i thought I've found some solidly intuitive ways to judge whether a page is an index too!
16:56 < delinquentme> KWs: journal index, recent issues, index, journal volumes, volume, volumes, subject, topics, all subjects,
16:57 < delinquentme> number of <li> tags
16:57 < delinquentme> # Search by existing topic KWs >> "chemistry" + "biology" + "physics"
16:57 < delinquentme> but yeah thats less awesome compared to just all of the journals
17:00 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/publishers.txt
17:00 < kanzure> no- they do not all use li tags
17:00 < kanzure> and in general you can't assume that a link is a link to a journal.. it's probably a navigation link or some shit. i guess you can factor those out by looking at another page, but it's better to be sure that a link is a journal, than to clutter your database and be sorry.
17:14 < delinquentme> kanzure, ebsco isnt on there?
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17:24 < kanzure> delinquentme: i think they just aggregate
17:24 < kanzure> not sure
17:24 < kanzure> it's worth checking
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20:11 < fenn> i'm consistently impressed by rex kerr's ability to state his position
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20:17 < joshcryer> Link?
20:23 < fenn> sorry, it's on a private mailing list
20:23 < fenn> wow 61 nicks in this channel? how did that happen?
20:23 < joshcryer> Ahh, did a background on him, sounded interesting.
20:25 < joshcryer> Ooh, is he the same guy on Stack Overflow?
20:25 < joshcryer> Seeing his answers I think that answers the question actually.
20:26 < fenn> dammit, every smart person i know is working on this same problem
20:26 < fenn> "In particular, he wants to build an imaging system that can rapidly capture fluorescent signals from the entire brain instead of from only a single neuron."
20:27 < joshcryer> <3
20:34 < kanzure> pfft singularityu is going to incubate the genomecompiler guys? http://angel.co/genome-compiler
20:47 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you should email Tux Lab <project.tuxlab@gmail.com> and ask when you can come by.. they have a hackerspace-thing somewhere
20:47 < kanzure> they want to do an open hardware startup of some sort. claim to have equipment..
20:51 < kanzure> fenn: that might be because of your bias (living with a bunch of neuro+optics people)
20:52 < kanzure> also: george church is on sigma aldrich's board. damn. http://investor.sigmaaldrich.com/directors.cfm
20:55 < yashgaroth> they're electrical though, right?
20:56 < kanzure> dunno?
20:56 < yashgaroth> I'll do it if you pay for gas :V
20:57 < kanzure> i thought you live in LA
20:57 < kanzure> oh, SD.
20:57 < yashgaroth> no biotech in LA
20:57 < kanzure> got my geography all wrong.
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21:18 < ybit> can anyone actually connect to this and use it?magnet:?xt=urn:btih:54e7646937050d845fc649df62f7a368d02124af&dn=farm
21:41 < joshcryer> ybit, nope, nothing so far...
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21:50 < ybit> joshcryer: yeah, nobody's able to download
21:50 < ybit> port forwarding is enabled for 6881, 7881, and 8881
21:51 < ybit> tcp/udp
21:51 < ybit> just to be safe
21:52 < ybit> it's frustrating
21:54 < ybit> joshcryer: for kicks, do you have dht enabled?
21:55 < ybit> kanzure: add this to the kicking ass session of the h+ con
22:00 < Steel2> is there any actual plans for an h+ con
22:02 < ybit> Steel2: i don't think so
22:10 < Steel2> kanzure: you around?
22:16 < joshcryer> ybit, yeah
22:16 < joshcryer> And I'm DMZ'd
22:16 < joshcryer> Which I shouldn't admit...
22:16 < joshcryer> ybit, at least now I see files but it's basically not moving\
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22:33 < ybit> right, it's something on my end but i'm not seeing what it is
22:48 < joshcryer> I'm curious as to what the images are of. :)
22:48 < joshcryer> Also, even more curious why the files resolved but no downloading is happening.
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22:58 < ybit> joshcryer: images of my farm
22:58 < ybit> and some various plants
22:59 < ybit> it's me testing
23:01 < joshcryer> wow mega millions rolled
23:01 < joshcryer> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/03/no-363-million-mega-millions-winner-in-california-officials-say.html
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23:32 < Steel2> yashgaroth, you up?
23:32 < kanzure> beep
23:32 < yashgaroth> yes
23:33 < Steel2> http://www.meetup.com/sdtranshumanists/events/53977952/
23:33 < yashgaroth> ya kanz sent me the link
23:34 < Steel2> okay, cool
23:34 < kanzure> just doing my job
23:34 < Mariu> later everyone
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23:36 < kanzure> http://imgur.com/qceso
23:36 < kanzure> "Buy a wife from Vietnam for only 6000 USD"
23:36 < kanzure> "1. Guaranteed virgin"
23:36 < kanzure> "4. If ran away within a year, you get another one free"
23:37 < Steel2> eww
23:41 < joshcryer> my brother got himself a filipino
23:44 < joshcryer> (total cost about $10k and she's 100% legal)
23:46 < Utopiah> still years away from the 3D printed girlfriend...
23:47 < joshcryer> I had a thought that you could just fill it with sitcom language from the past 20 years and it'd be a passable ditz
23:47 < joshcryer> heh
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23:57 < kanzure> good night
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