--- Log opened Sun Apr 08 00:00:26 2012 00:00 < strangewarp> We could do, or have done, cool stuff. Also, it's more likely that people are modal construts in n-dimensional mind-space than any traditional cosmology being literally true. 00:03 < sylph_mako> Cool stuff... if we could at least make the gods smile that would be good enough for me. Maybe they'd make more of us. So now we have to figure out why a higher dimensional being would simulate this universe and convince them that they either need to give us some kind of input/output into theirs[freeing us] or make more similar universes. OK that sounds impossible and fun. I have a purpose again. 00:03 < strangewarp> (On the fence about the former, myself, as it's untestable, and one of several big-universe materialist models) 00:04 < strangewarp> One second here... 00:06 < strangewarp> I'm saying that we may live in a Big Universe, wherein every possible mind can be said to meaningfully exist, whether seperated via space (conventional Big Universe), timeline (provided quantum many-worlds is true), modal realism (every possible mind-state exists as a true mathematical construct), or some combination or variation thereof. 00:07 < strangewarp> So you shouldn't have paranoid fantasies about overlords. If for some reason it were true, there would be uncountable identical lives where it would be false. 00:08 < sylph_mako> Modal realism doesn't sound true since mathematical constructs are just patterns in brains. 00:08 < sylph_mako> They don't exist in some concept space prior to discovery. 00:08 < sylph_mako> We invented concept space too. 00:09 < strangewarp> Matheatics is literally true in every possible universe, and therefore objectively true regardless of whether minds exist to think about it. 00:09 < strangewarp> m* 00:11 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:13 < sylph_mako> Not so. Mathematics was designed from a basis of useful axioms. Though it's going to come out the same for any thinkers, utility was determined by trial and error. Not every possible logical system starts off with A AND NOT A as an axiom. Only the useful ones. 00:13 < sylph_mako> I'm not sure why I expected that to change your mind. 00:13 < sylph_mako> I was trying.. 00:15 < strangewarp> Modal realism assumes that mathematics are meaningfully objective. There are other possible expressions of Big Universe cosmology in the case where said issue is controversial. So it's fine. 00:17 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:22 < strangewarp> I am a bit wibbly on the subject, admittedly, and I need to take some time at some point to catch up on maths, and philosophy of maths. 00:24 < strangewarp> I decided it's probably best if I work on the concrete things where I have knowledge, for now, though, since I don't want to fall into the same pit on a personal level that LessWrong is trying to get out of on an organizational level. 00:28 < sylph_mako> It would be helpful to me if you guys could tell me what's going wrong with lesswrong without me having to experience the problem myself. I havn't spent any time there but I'm seriously considering it. 00:44 < strangewarp> Basically, they put themselves in a position of all theory, no engineering. I imagine the initial goal was that engineering would come out of theory, but now it's looking like certain theoretical problems are so intractable that they could only be solved by a massive engineering effort; but their theory has led to precautionary-principle-esque ideas like Friendly AI, so they're in a double-bind. 00:51 -!- thylne [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 < sylph_mako> I see. 01:06 < sylph_mako> Thank you. 01:06 < sylph_mako> Though I'd be inclined to say we're all in that double-bind. 01:09 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-238.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@78.9.72.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17 < diginet> I'm looking for a paper: "Microbial Production of Spider Silk Proteins" by Fahnestock, I have access to ScienceDirect, but I can't get that one, anyone here have more extensive access? 01:17 < diginet> woops, sorry for sending that again 01:18 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has quit [Quit: n_bentha] 01:22 < strangewarp> sylph_mako: I see what you're getting at. I think they're only in the double-bind in the first place because they're pursuing a course of action that assumes they'll be able to disseminate the idea of Friendly AI to every relevant person before anyone starts building a Strong AI; and therefore that they should not pursue it as an engineering project in competition with others. Which I think is a pretty bad meta-mistake. 01:22 < strangewarp> Anyway. gosh I wish LuaAV were available for Windows. 01:23 * strangewarp googling for hidden Lua-MIDI-OSC solutions on random programmers' websites 01:25 < sylph_mako> If that were true wouldn't you just be able to show them that and get them to change their approach? 01:26 < strangewarp> I think people have tried; I'm not sure why it hasn't worked. 01:45 < thylne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plBm1FNh_00 02:07 -!- charlieschwaba-1 [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: charlieschwaba-1] 02:31 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:32 -!- sdr__ [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:33 -!- sdr__ [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host86-131-181-191.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host86-131-181-191.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:50 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-238.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:04 < skorket> re: new aesthetic http://inspire.2ia.pl/ 03:12 < strangewarp> Mmmm 03:13 < strangewarp> That feeling you get, when you find that a much more talented programmer has made something very similar to a project of your own, thus freeing you from the obligations of your own bad code... 03:14 < strangewarp> skorket: interesting 03:14 < skorket> strangewarp, I think that's a good example of the 'new aesthetic'. Maybe etsy, makezine, adafruit, sparkfun and the like as well? 03:15 < skorket> A kind of mix of aesthetic, high/lo tech and functionality? 03:15 < strangewarp> I think those are definite facilitators of new-aesthetic practices, yeah 03:15 < strangewarp> Well, in the SXSW panel (which I haven't seen), Sterling's essay response, and the responses to Sterling, there has also been an emphasis on the imagery of glitch and machine-vision. 03:20 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-213-214.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 < skorket> strangewarp, this, for example, is not computer vision or glitch based: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20120330-iris-van-herpens-3d-printed-dresses-in-groningen-museum.html 03:38 < skorket> streling seems to be defining it as 'photoshop + british' though 03:38 < strangewarp> Indeed, it's basically a collision of many influences, and I think Sterling and company are trying to make sense of it. 03:41 < skorket> I mean, it seems like he already summed 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bc their servers a wildy slow 09:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52 < delinquentme_> but i like the part where their analytics team can report that their CTRs are up by 20% ! 09:52 < delinquentme_> brb making fire 09:52 < kanzure> most people don't measure CTRs from their web logs but instead only from javascript analytics 09:53 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:53 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:21 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:35 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- _0bitcount 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ParahSailin> this is a whimsical idea i had -- put a termite salivary cellulase into black soldier fly larvae 12:17 < ParahSailin> then turn newspaper into chicken food 12:18 < ParahSailin> whimsical as i said, but almost plausible 12:46 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:01 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:07 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- _0bitcount [~0bitcount@213.37.172.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 < delinquentme_> LOLlll 13:50 < delinquentme_> just finished brill 13:51 < delinquentme_> verifying 14:20 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:27 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-221-90.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:32 < sylph_mako> What on earth.. Every time I hear about OpenVIBE it's from an incidental search about some cool framework. EBML, OIS, Ogre3d.. it's like these people get it or something. Maybe my dev philosophy really is influenced by transhumanism. 14:41 < kanzure> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agnusha.org+ogre3d 14:42 < kanzure> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agnusha.org+openvibe 14:43 -!- capiscuas [~capiscuas@ppp-58-11-67-123.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:11 < ParahSailin> hax this? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960852400001541 15:12 < ParahSailin> sciencedirect is a real bitch 15:17 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Degumming%20of%20ramie%20fibers%20by%20alkalophilic%20bacteria%20and%20their%20polysaccharide-degrading%20enzymes.pdf 15:17 < ParahSailin> thanks 15:43 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:46 -!- nmz787 [~androirc@108.117.220.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 < nmz787> Joining you from 3g on my mobile phone! 15:54 -!- MarcSav [~chatzilla@100-48.107-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [] 15:56 < ParahSailin> hax this? http://www.springerlink.com/content/c767m270301871v1/ 15:59 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:13 < kanzure> nmz787: howdy 16:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:15 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@62.87.224.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17 < kanzure> "pacman the movie" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7oadchZMYA 16:24 < ThomasEgi> well made 16:31 -!- nmz787 [~androirc@108.117.220.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- nmz787 [~androirc@cpe-66-66-101-35.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 < kanzure> yo nmz787 .. email. 16:43 < kanzure> carl sent out something to jonathan cline >_< 16:45 < kanzure> MarcSav: hello. what brings you here? 16:45 < nmz787> Reading 16:45 < nmz787> Ewod? 16:45 < kanzure> EWOD is electrowetting on dielectric 16:45 < kanzure> jonathan made some prototypes and blogged about it to diybio 16:45 < kanzure> http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/tag/microfluidics 16:46 < kanzure> http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/280 16:46 < MarcSav> kanzure: i love openhardware and i'm interessed in hackerspaces 16:46 < kanzure> follow up to #280 is: http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/338 16:46 < MarcSav> i'm from switzerland, and yes here we have some hackerspaces too ;) 16:47 < kanzure> nmz787: "A droplet from a pipette can be moved across electrical contacts using medium-high voltage (400V to 700V) on a standard printed circuit board." 16:48 < ParahSailin> kanzure, i grabbed that paper through vpn, you want any help downloading journal articles? 16:48 < nmz787> Elecytrolysis must be happening?? 16:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: sure- evnetually- but not right now 16:49 < kanzure> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/Electrowetting-based%20actuation%20of%20liquid%20droplets%20for%20microfluidic%20applications.pdf 16:49 < kanzure> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/Electrowetting%20droplet%20microfluidics%20on%20a%20single%20planar%20surface.pdf 16:49 < kanzure> nmz787: iphone version :P http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/Single-sided%20continuous%20optoelectrowetting%20(SCOEW)%20for%20droplet%20manipulation%20with%20light%20patterns%20-%20LCD%20-%202010.pdf 16:51 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-221-90.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:56 < nmz787> Seems alright, would require those special layers.... I don't think valving will be a problem, we can figure that out 16:56 < kanzure> EWOD doesn't need valving - just move the drops out of the way (it's on a grid) 16:58 < nmz787> I think its gonna cost more with ewod 16:59 < kanzure> yep that's why i haven't brought it up really 16:59 < kanzure> but that's what jonathan has expertise with 16:59 < nmz787> Ahh 16:59 < kanzure> 88proof is jcline's blog 16:59 < nmz787> Sure 17:00 < nmz787> Who does he work for 17:00 < kanzure> he got a job in 2009 or 2010 with some company in san diego i think.. just some electronics firm 17:00 < nmz787> Cool 17:00 < nmz787> As for consultants, I know some good guys up here 17:01 < nmz787> Optics, fluidics, electronics, DSP, analog 17:01 < kanzure> i'm not sure there's any consultant who would be able to design a working micro DNA synthesizer 17:01 < nmz787> So I can get some of that free 17:01 < nmz787> Or for booze 17:02 < nmz787> Nope, but we're gonna orchestrated that 17:03 < nmz787> These guys just started getting into medical device developnment when I left 17:08 < roksprok_> are you all trying to do something similar to this: Microfluidic PicoArray synthesis ? http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/18/5409.full 17:08 < kanzure> roksprok_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/Synthesis%20-%20Microfluidic%20PicoArray%20synthesis%20of%20oligodeoxynucleotides%20and%20simultaneous%20assembling%20of%20multiple%20DNA%20sequences%20(10%20kb).pdf 17:08 < kanzure> roksprok_: or see others here.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/ 17:09 < roksprok_> is the goal an opensource version? or do all those have flaws you're trying to overcome? 17:09 < kanzure> iirc the 2004 picoarray article was a continuous flow device w/ a digital light projector or digital mirror array. the oligo synthesis method we've been thinking of using would not be using light or DLPs or DMDs. 17:10 < kanzure> roksprok_: the goal is an open source, low cost DNA synthesizer 17:10 < roksprok_> its that 6mer one right? 17:10 < kanzure> what 17:11 < roksprok_> the reaction cycle....i think i remember one that took a 6 base long fragment and duplicated it? 17:11 -!- ctobin [~cory.tobi@DHCP-52-143.caltech.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 < kanzure> the 6mer stuff is a different method (not raw chemistry but instead a ligation method- constructing a longer string by sequential concatenation) 17:11 < kanzure> roksprok_: yeah that's a different technique but it should definitely be tested because its results would be far superior to phosphoramidite chemistry 17:12 < roksprok_> how much is low cost? 17:13 < kanzure> well most dna synthesizers cost $150k-$200k new, and at least $20k used for something working/modern 17:13 < kanzure> so low cost to me is <$10k 17:14 < roksprok_> ah...cool 17:14 < kanzure> that oligomaker product costs about $60k new but i'm not sure- nobody tells you prices these days.. 17:15 < yashgaroth> you can probably lease it, if it's the akta one 17:16 < kanzure> sure sure 17:16 < kanzure> ctobin: hey. 17:19 < nmz787> Sup ctobin 17:19 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 -!- Pupuser-1 [~puppy@41.74.48.235] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 < ctobin> what's up. You successfully convinced me to join :) 17:24 < kanzure> hooray 17:25 < kanzure> ctobin: today we're scraping brill.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/ezproxy.py 17:25 -!- nmz787 [~androirc@cpe-66-66-101-35.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:27 < ctobin> how can i help? 17:28 < kanzure> ezproxy.py is a plugin architecture for multiple scrapers 17:28 < kanzure> i am deploying it on a central server and we'll all just login and commit new scrapers to the project 17:28 < kanzure> and add new proxies for it to use (although, the proxying is not active at the moment) 17:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 < kanzure> ctobin: one way would be to review that code and see what you think. i have been considering doing this in mongodb so that the schema won't matter so much. not sure.. 17:29 < kanzure> mongo_engine or something might be a better choice than quick_orm/sqlalchemy 17:31 < kanzure> ctobin: another way you could potentially help is with the scraper/adapter model.. i.e., i haven't fully fleshed out what all the necessary methods on each scraper should be. i definitely think we need to be able to scrape/update journals from each publisher, and also papers/citations. need to be able to say that we are 100% certain that we have a complete index of ACS or something. 17:32 < ctobin> why do you want to use no-sql? It seems like this type of data would lend itself well to sql since most of the meta data is very consistent - volume, issue, page number, author names, etc. 17:32 < kanzure> metadata is consistent on a single publisher 17:33 < kanzure> but take elsevier/sciencedirect for instance.. they have custom attributes 17:33 < kanzure> (beyond the normal attributes) 17:33 < ctobin> oh, i see 17:33 < kanzure> *shrug* i could be convinced either way. obviously i am already using sqlite so.. heh 17:34 < ctobin> lol, that will get slow really quick, once you have all of sciencedirect scraped :) 17:35 < kanzure> true. at first i did a javascript-based scraper.. 17:35 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/sciencedirect/sciencedirect.js 17:36 < kanzure> the one in ezproxy.py only implements "gathering/updating a list of journals" but nothing about individual papers, issues, volumes, books, etc. 17:36 < kanzure> yeah, again maybe mongo is the way to go.. 17:37 < ctobin> I'll take a look at the code this evening, I gotta get going right now though. 17:37 < kanzure> ok cool thanks 17:38 < Pupuser-1> hey 17:38 < kanzure> Pupuser-1: hello 17:40 -!- nmz787 [~androirc@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 < Pupuser-1> hey KAnzure 17:41 < kanzure> nmz787: not happy with android? 17:41 < Pupuser-1> same here 17:41 < kanzure> oh nevermind. thought he switched clients. it's still androirc. 17:42 -!- Pupuser-1 [~puppy@41.74.48.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42 < nmz787> Umm I just got home, didn't handle the network switch 17:51 -!- nmz787 [~androirc@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 17:51 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- MarcSav [~chatzilla@100-48.107-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 17:55 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-251-38.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 < nmz787> kanzure: email 18:00 < kanzure> reading 18:01 < kanzure> looks sane 18:02 < kanzure> jcline was getting a little carried away with "Sounds more like you have a laser cutter and want to do something with it. That's OK but a different problem." hehe 18:06 < nmz787> yeah its a misunderstanding though for sure 18:06 -!- F7 [~Adium@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 < kanzure> nmz787: his name is max reason? 18:08 < kanzure> that's almost as geeky as max more.. http://www.maxmore.com/extprn3.htm 18:08 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 < kanzure> F7: what's up? 18:25 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: charlieschwabach] 18:26 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:32 < kanzure> "The Neuro Bureau is proud to announce the 2012 Brainhack to be held from September 1-4 at the Max Plank Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Leipzig, Germany." 18:32 < kanzure> "Brainhack is a unique event with the goals of fostering interdisciplinary collaboration and open neuroscience. The structure for the conference builds from the concepts of an unconference and hackathon." 18:33 < kanzure> http://www.cbs.mpg.de/events/workshops/brainhack 18:36 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [] 18:43 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:46 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 18:48 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- juul [~juul@208.87.217.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- juul [~juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Client Quit] 19:41 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 19:56 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:28 < kanzure> nmz787: wb 20:34 < n_bentha> thx 20:35 < n_bentha> hey where's my welcome back? 20:35 < nmz787> thx 20:35 < nmz787> its great to be back 20:35 < kanzure> n_bentha: lost in the mail 20:37 < n_bentha> :) 20:37 < diginet> is pichia pastoris a proprietary system? 20:39 < yashgaroth> no, but expression vectors and specialized subclones often are 20:40 < diginet> urgh, the patenting of genes disturbs me 20:40 < yashgaroth> well that's the basis of most of the biotechnology industry 20:40 < diginet> bleh, biotechnology 20:40 < diginet> I like it from a research perspective 20:41 < diginet> but I get sick of the emtpy promises and proprietary nature of the companies 20:41 < yashgaroth> well, until public funding steps up, capitalism is the only way, sadly 20:42 < yashgaroth> most of the specific gene patents are expiring soon since they all got discovered in the early 90s 20:42 < diginet> that's good at least 20:42 < diginet> is it just me, or is biotech the trending thing for colleges to stress right now? When I was doing college tours I couldn't stop hearing about it 20:43 < diginet> *trendy 20:43 < yashgaroth> comp sci was the trendy one when I went 20:43 < yashgaroth> but yeah everyone's hopping on the bandwagon since biotech is new and exciting 20:43 < diginet> comp sci: the only field more subject to fashion than the fashion industry itself 20:44 < yashgaroth> 'which of these 50 programming languages shall we teach these undergrads?' 20:44 < diginet> the lack of rigour I see in a lot of comp sci stuff is rather appalling 20:45 < diginet> phenomenology is not science: I want OS research, not figuring whether X version of X protocol will make something negligibly faster 20:45 < yashgaroth> well that's most of biology 20:46 < yashgaroth> phenomenons that is, not operating systems 20:47 < diginet> I don't see it as much the same though: it's one thing to study the natural world, it's another thing to not produce anything, when that's the very nature of a field. It seems to me comp sci people spend more time talking about the next big thing than actually programming 20:47 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:47 < diginet> I see the biggest jokes, papers on storing X in the cloud, so the same thing people have been doing for years, plus buzzword compliance 20:48 < diginet> I also get sick of the bullshitty PopSci-esque pseudo-futurism that is usually employed to sell someone the proverbial bridge in Brooklyn 20:49 < kanzure> what's wrong with running xorg in the cloud? 20:50 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:51 < kanzure> "!ムゃぬゃ9クくゃぺ0!い1れきヲらすへャぺ0!い1れきヲらすへャ…ム…ブ♀ぢっュわとぶゲ2" 20:51 < kanzure> blergh this doesn't make sense 20:52 < yashgaroth> that's because it's a bunch of squares with circles in them 20:52 < diginet> "running it in the cloud" is just running it remotely, but with obnoxious jargon 20:52 < n_bentha> it's all japanese to me 20:52 < diginet> which, mind you, it was designed to do from the beggining 20:52 < diginet> that's the POINT of X 20:53 < diginet> and, the "cloud" presents my 5-year old understanding of the internet: some magical place where data floats around 20:53 < kanzure> X is a perfectly fine network-based windowing environment 20:53 < kanzure> i really have no idea why you are hating on X 20:53 < diginet> I don't hate on X 20:53 < diginet> I hate on ZOMG CLOUD 20:54 < kanzure> fun fact: gnusha.org is hosted by the same people who host X.org 20:54 < diginet> (although, I liked NeWS better) 20:54 -!- charlieschwaba-1 [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 < diginet> no, you're missing the point 20:54 < diginet> I'm saying, when you run X remotely that's it, you're not running it "ON THE CLOUD" 20:54 < diginet> it's just needless jargon 20:55 < kanzure> are you talking about X the server 20:55 < katsmeow-afk> they might have needed to make new jargon and use it to avoid people remembering the RPC hacking in windows 20:55 < kanzure> or X the "I can't think of a better variable" 20:55 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56 < diginet> I'm not talking about X specifically, I'm saying I hate this stupid cloud computing nonsense 20:56 < diginet> when in reality, it's the same exact thing that we've done with computers since their inception, plus buzzwords 20:57 < kanzure> virtualization? 20:57 < diginet> oh gawd, that's even worse 20:57 < diginet> try IBM VM 20:57 < diginet> late 60s/early 70s 20:59 < diginet> or, I dunno, the freaking Church-Turing Theorem 21:00 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:01 < delinquentme_> http://www.publish.csiro.au/nid/17.htm 55 tables on the first page alone 21:01 < delinquentme_> ... seems reasonable 21:03 < kanzure> what is csiro :\ 21:03 < kanzure> "CSIRO PUBLISHING publishes journals presenting the latest research" 21:04 < delinquentme_> lol 21:04 < delinquentme_> your list bro! 21:16 -!- nsh [~nsh@cpc21-broo7-2-0-cust83.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 < delinquentme_> they got skipped 21:45 < delinquentme_> that website is a mess 21:48 < kanzure> nice 22:04 < diginet> I was reading up on OpenPCR, and I know this has probably been belabored ad nauseum on this channel, but isn't $599 a little outrageous for a heat cycler? That's too much for a DIYer, and a University lab would just buy a professional machine 22:04 < diginet> unless I'm missing something. . . 22:05 < diginet> I mean, with 3D printers, the stepper motors add up quickly, and the extruder can be expensive 22:07 < kanzure> yes $599 is very outrageous 22:08 < kanzure> you can definitely rig up a nice system for <$100 22:08 < kanzure> but here's the thing- companies are still selling >$10k versions anyway.. 22:09 < diginet> I mean, one can buy a used PCR machine for like $300-400 online anyway, why would you pay more for something you have to assemble? 22:10 < diginet> do you think one could manually control the PCR process is money/effort was a concern? Or is it too sensitive? 22:10 < kanzure> because the used machine probably wont work 22:10 < diginet> true 22:10 < diginet> well, maybe, who knows 22:10 < kanzure> people used to just dunk tubes into water baths at specific temperatures, yes 22:11 < diginet> that seems easier 22:11 < kanzure> easier! what 22:11 < kanzure> you and i have dramatically different ideas of easier 22:11 < diginet> easier than building my own machine, writing the code, designing a circuit board for a one-off thing 22:11 < kanzure> or you can just use plans from the interwebs? 22:11 < kanzure> like between us in here i think we have at least 10-20 thermocycler designs :( 22:12 < diginet> oh I didn't even think about that, sometimes I have really stupid moments :P 22:13 < diginet> I'm trying to compile a list of everything I'm going to need 22:13 < diginet> what's the best/cheapest primer service? 22:15 < kanzure> i think everyone just uses idt or sigma 22:16 < kanzure> yashgaroth: what do you prefer? 22:16 < kanzure> n_bentha: ParahSailin: or what do you guys use? 22:16 < ParahSailin> idt is the best primer service, they give me .15/bp at the smallest batch size 22:18 < n_bentha> hey kanzure 22:18 < yashgaroth> we used idt I think 22:18 < n_bentha> sigma i think 22:20 < diginet> thanks guys 22:20 < yashgaroth> sigma tends to be dicks to individuals, dunno if that extends to primers 22:21 < diginet> I've heard bad things about sigma 22:21 < diginet> (just in general) 22:22 < yashgaroth> i.e. will not ship anything to a residential address 22:23 < yashgaroth> they're the gold standard for a lot of reagents, but you don't need that for this 22:23 < diginet> how much does Taq cost? 22:23 < kanzure> diginet: a diy taq production rig would be really insanely popular 22:23 < kanzure> just fyi. if you want to do that for us you would be loved. 22:24 < yashgaroth> you're gonna need Pfu for cloning 22:24 < ParahSailin> just random-- i wonder how long before "gold standard" becomes a completely dead metaphor 22:24 < yashgaroth> taq's good for sequencing but it has a terrible error rate 22:24 < yashgaroth> dunno, you're the libertarian :V 22:24 < ParahSailin> diginet, i got some kapa you can use 22:24 < diginet> ParahSailin, aww, thanks :) 22:24 < diginet> is kapa better? 22:24 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you can do directed evolution of polymerase to get something better pretty fast 22:25 < yashgaroth> mmmmmmmaybe 22:25 < ParahSailin> kapa hifi is pretty much the best pol 22:25 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:25 < diginet> I bet its pretty expensive :) 22:25 < diginet> :( I mean 22:25 < yashgaroth> not if you're only doing a few reactions...well, not super expensive 22:25 < ParahSailin> they're all about $60-70 for 50 rxns, 230ish for 200 rxns 22:26 < ParahSailin> 250 rxns i guess is usually the next step up 22:27 < diginet> for diy taq, wouldn't we just need to find a specimen of the bacterium it came from? 22:27 < ParahSailin> pretty much any enzyme in the tube is about the same price 22:27 < ParahSailin> wild type taq is pretty shitty 22:28 < yashgaroth> that species only lives in hot vents or something 22:28 < diginet> the sequence for non-wild taq expired right? 22:28 < ParahSailin> we have a stock of taq in the freezer here though 22:28 < diginet> yashgaroth, yeah that's right 22:28 < yashgaroth> taq's fine for sequencing purposes 22:28 < ParahSailin> the bug i mean 22:28 -!- F7 [~Adium@50.15.211.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28 < diginet> well I'm saying kanzure was talking about diy taq, couldn't the gene just be put in e. coli? 22:29 < ParahSailin> thats what they do 22:29 < kanzure> what would be the diy purification method anyway? 22:29 < kanzure> antibody affinity? 22:29 < ParahSailin> elp tag 22:29 < yashgaroth> tagged, yeah 22:30 * ParahSailin hasnt done anything with the elp tag yet 22:30 < yashgaroth> even strep or his tagged would be fine I'd think 22:30 < yashgaroth> don't need no fancy self-cleavin' peptides 22:30 < kanzure> we do need someone to do a writeup for a general diy protein purification project 22:30 < ParahSailin> elp doesnt need any fancy columns 22:30 < kanzure> polymerase is usually the most needed 22:31 < diginet> kanzure, well, I'm going to experiment with that necessarily, I'll try and document my findings 22:31 < yashgaroth> wait what resin do you use for elp then 22:31 < ParahSailin> diginet, you wanna chip in to buy some bsrgi? 22:31 < ParahSailin> i need that for cloning into the elp plasmid 22:31 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 22:32 < ParahSailin> elp tag precipitates itself, and you spin it down 22:32 < yashgaroth> oh awesome 22:32 < diginet> what is bsrgi? 22:32 < diginet> err, will google 22:32 < diginet> brb 22:33 -!- charlieschwaba-1 [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33 < diginet> restriction enzyme? 22:33 < yashgaroth> yup 22:34 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:34 < diginet> I wish I could, I literally have no cash right now 22:36 < diginet> I feel bad for not being able to, after all you guys are really awesome :( 22:40 < nmz787> what are you guys talking about?> 22:40 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:42 < kanzure> nmz787: taq production, elp, stuff. 22:42 < kanzure> nmz787: http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-04-08.log 22:42 < nmz787> elp? 22:43 < nmz787> emerson lake and palmer? 22:43 < yashgaroth> yes 22:43 < nmz787> nah common 22:43 < nmz787> what is the tag 22:44 < yashgaroth> elastin-like polypeptide, seems to have inducible precipitation so you can purify by centrifugal pelleting 22:45 < nmz787> from crude cell lysate? 22:45 < nmz787> wouldn't you get cell debris? 22:45 < nmz787> googling 22:45 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.27.91] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:45 < flamot> http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/ca-ga.html new windows versions, check out stim, the best 22:45 < flamot> evolving grid! makes a sound wave 22:45 < flamot> some of em 22:45 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 22:45 < flamot> >:3 22:45 < flamot> check out stim 22:45 -!- flamot was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [flamot] 22:45 <@kanzure> klfsdkjfklasdfjklasdfjkald 22:45 <@kanzure> kldfjaslfjlaskfjklasdfjaskl 22:46 < yashgaroth> I dunno the specifics, I only heard about the tag after parahsailin mentioned, think it's fairly new 22:46 < nmz787> ahh 22:46 < nmz787> interesting 22:46 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-196-185.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:47 < nmz787> cathal hsa mentioned this i think 22:48 < ParahSailin_> anyone want the plasmids for elp? 22:49 < nmz787> ParahSaili_ you got em? 22:49 < nmz787> ParahSailin_: you got em? 22:49 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [] 22:49 < ParahSailin_> yes 22:50 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b flamot!*@*] by kanzure 22:50 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:51 < nmz787> ParahSailin_: you gonna have them for a while? 6 months from now? 22:51 < ParahSailin_> the stocks are in a -70 22:52 < nmz787> cool 22:53 < skorket> guess we're not big fans of stim on this channel 22:53 <@kanzure> skorket: there's a long story 22:53 < skorket> oh? He's not just a random spammer? 22:54 < nmz787> lol 22:54 <@kanzure> homeless schizophrenic who believes the singularity aliens have implanted a chip in his brain 22:54 < skorket> are you serious? 22:54 < yashgaroth> heh 22:54 <@kanzure> yes http://groups.google.com/group/singularity-aliens 22:54 < nmz787> he made slashdot 22:54 < nmz787> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/10/23/1957223/Electronic-Life-Makes-Evolving-Art 22:54 <@kanzure> pfft i've made slashdot 22:54 <@kanzure> that doesn't make me crazy 22:54 <@kanzure> i swear 22:54 < nmz787> lol 22:55 < nmz787> i see 22:55 < ParahSailin_> nmz787, i forwarded docs on the elp plasmid 22:55 < nmz787> sweet 22:56 < yashgaroth> ooh lemme get those too please 22:57 < skorket> weird 22:57 <@kanzure> < fenn> obviously the greyfaces are targeting us transhumanists with their mind control beams, and that's why nothing is happening 22:57 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:58 < ParahSailin_> yashgaroth, email? 22:58 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by ChanServ 22:58 < yashgaroth> pm 23:00 < kanzure> skorket: for the rest of the story.. http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-04-06.log 23:00 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 23:03 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:05 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:05 < skorket> Pretty wild. The new timecube 23:07 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-21-39.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:21 < sylph_mako> I thought greyface was a discordian figure. Isn't the proper term for the aliens "the greys"? 23:21 < yashgaroth> that's what the aliens want you to think 23:22 < sylph_mako> no I very much doubt that. 23:22 < yashgaroth> the aliens also want you to think that 23:24 < sylph_mako> I wonder if flamot has endeavored to develop a way of thinking that can't be controlled by the greyfaces. 23:24 < sylph_mako> I can think of one. 23:24 < diginet> "greys" are all just a ruse by the reptilians to cover up the truth that the earth is flat and beyond the ice walls there exists vast reserves of natural resources 23:24 < ParahSailin_> actually the aliens are already in plain sight 23:24 < ParahSailin_> the han chinese are in fact an alien race 23:24 < ParahSailin_> which can be identified by their lack of earwax 23:26 < diginet> http://qkme.me/3opekv 23:27 < diginet> my link = truth about this 23:28 -!- capiscuas [~capiscuas@ppp-110-168-241-70.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 < sylph_mako> What does he mean by humans. 23:28 < sylph_mako> Is he imagining greys dragging plows and eating pizza? 23:29 < sylph_mako> This is one of the less paranoia inducing conspiracy keanus. 23:33 < nmz787> this one is better 23:33 < nmz787> 1.0909090909090909090909090909091 23:33 < nmz787> http://qkme.me/3onmap 23:34 -!- charlieschwabach [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: charlieschwabach] 23:35 -!- F7 [~Adium@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:39 -!- F7 [~Adium@50.15.211.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45 -!- ParahSailin__ [~parah@adsl-69-151-155-14.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:47 -!- F7 [~Adium@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:49 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-196-185.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Apr 09 00:00:27 2012