--- Log opened Sat Apr 21 00:00:45 2012
00:01 < klafka1> hahaha my gf just yelled at our annoying roommates for leaving the door open
00:01 < klafka1> that was fairly amusing
00:07 < bkero> Ahh yea
00:07 < bkero> just got my absinthe set going well
00:08 < bkero> Using a 25ml burette to titrate myself a nice glass of absinthe
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00:36 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
00:44 < fenn> "Written in PHP, so literally anyone can contribute, even if they have no idea how to program."
00:45 <@kanzure> "In fact, we don't even know"
00:48 < JayDugger> What do you two mock by quotation?
00:48 < fenn> phabricator
00:49 < fenn> i'm pretty impressed by this smart watch, only wondering why it didn't appear 5 years ago: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
00:49 < JayDugger>  describing it with glowing terms like "okay" and "mandatory".
00:49 < fenn> the snark level on that page is pretty high
00:50 < JayDugger> I'll say.
00:50 < JayDugger> I had nicer and sincere comments about my employer's half-assed home-made issue tracking system when interviewed last week at the annual witch hunt.
00:51 < JayDugger> After all, telling in plain English "rip it out and replace it with Bugzilla" would've counted as shitting in the punch bowl.
00:52 < fenn> sometimes the punch needs a little shit in it
00:52 < JayDugger> Amen.
00:52 < JayDugger> How does that pebble watch differ from other Android watches?
00:52 < fenn> it's "e-paper"!
00:53 < JayDugger> That covers a square on the buzzword bingo card, yes. :)
00:53 < fenn> well, it's sunlight readable, and low power usage (though the 7 day battery life is pretty lame, considering the display doesn't use any power)
00:54 < fenn> my casio f-91W is like 5 _year_ battery life
00:54 <@kanzure> well clearly your casio isn't parsing javascript
00:55 < JayDugger> I'll think I'll stick with my casio solar-powered atomic-clock signal receiving five-year old watch.
00:55 < JayDugger> Javascript or no.
00:55 < fenn> your watch will be useless when the atoms run out
00:56 < JayDugger> Very true. I should live long enough to have that problem.
00:56 < JayDugger> At which time I'll not worry about much, assuming no radical substrate changes. :)
00:56 < JayDugger> Fenn, do you still track your time with accuracy?
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02:31 < fenn> yep
02:31 < fenn> i'm a bit behind on transcribing from my paper notebook
02:33 < fenn> damn i need to meet this jonathan toomim
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02:38 < fenn> meh http://brainworkshop.net/
02:39 < fenn> unfortunately this dual n-back stuff takes a lot of effort
02:39 < fenn> effort i could be using to .. you know,  do stuff
02:42 < fenn> interesting at first glance http://jtoomim.org/creatine_intelligence.pdf
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05:39 < kristianpaul> moin
05:41 < delinquentme> hey there kristianpaul
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07:42 <@kanzure> beepity boop
07:44 < eudoxia> beep boop
07:44 <@kanzure> eudoxia: haven't heard from you in a while
07:45 < eudoxia> "JIT compilation is not that hard, I'll have a prototype in three days"
07:45 < eudoxia> "oh my god it's been three months where am I"
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07:46 < eudoxia> and school has a different schedule on the other side of the equator
07:47 <@kanzure> compilers are a daunting beast
07:47 <@kanzure> you should make a compiler compiler first
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07:47 < eudoxia> I can't allow my projects to recursively subdivide any further
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07:50 < eudoxia> so, anyways, any interesting new stuff?
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07:52 < kanzure> eudoxia: yep, you've missed everything
07:53 < delinquentme> i had a baby!
07:53 < delinquentme> ( not really )
07:54 < eudoxia> kanzure: I inferred that from the size of the logs
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07:55 < delinquentme> so whats up with the new mini thermal printers
07:55 < delinquentme> kind cool :D
07:59 < delinquentme> kanzure, u want go microcontroller shooping w me <3
08:02 < delinquentme> i lik dis wan http://www.dfrobot.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_38&product_id=589
08:02 < delinquentme> im not sure if its got sufficient IO
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09:39 < diginet> so I had an idea: use e. coli to produce each variety of oligopeptide I need, and then use ligation to connect them to each other
09:40 < n_bentha> that was my idea...
09:41 < vrs> hasn't that been done already?
09:42 < n_bentha> probably
09:42 < diginet> n_bentha, it was? I didn't remember that? cool!
09:42 < diginet> vrs, I'm fairly certain it's in use
09:42 < n_bentha> http://www.mimotopes.com/customPeptides.asp
09:42 < diginet> I shouldn't say it was "my" idea, I should've said, I might try that or something
09:43 < diginet> sorry n_bentha, I honestly did not remember you saying that, I didn't mean to take credit for your idea or anything :/
09:44 < n_bentha> it's cool. i'm sure other ppl thought of it too
09:46 < diginet> anyway, I've been looking over the sequence of the spidroin protein
09:46 < diginet> I noticed some interesting patterns
09:46 < diginet> besides the obvious ones others have noticed
09:47 < diginet> of the glycine and alanine rich areas, if you treat each module as a "sentence" where the end is the alanine blocks, there's a pattern of two long sentences, and two short sentences that repeats
09:48 < n_bentha> Can you put that into more scientific terms? I'm not quite sure what you mean
09:49 < n_bentha> so like x-x-x-ala-ala-x-x-x-ala-ala-x-x-x-x-x-x-ala-ala-x-x-x-x-x-x-ala-ala ?
09:49 < n_bentha> where the ala-ala is the alanine block, and the x's are other amino acid's?
09:49 < n_bentha> or would the x's be mostly glycine's
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09:50 < diginet> hold on, let me put it in a pastebin
09:50 < n_bentha> use the new anon pastebin
09:51  * n_bentha just wants to see it
09:54 < ParahSailin__> maybe try bombyx fibroin gene since its all sequenced
09:54 < diginet> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/150416773
09:54 < n_bentha> Yea but silkworm's silk is triangular whereas spiders' is circular
09:55 < n_bentha> (tubular?)
09:55 < diginet> ParahSailin__, the black widow spidroins are fully sequenced as well
09:55 < ParahSailin__> but thats probably a property of the silkworm's asshole rather than intrinsic to the peptide
09:55 < ParahSailin__> put out a request for a bwidow on zaarly
09:55 < ParahSailin__> or craigslist
09:57 < diginet> might be easier just to pay to have short oligos synthesized
09:57 < diginet> they're only like 60 bp long
09:58 < diginet> Ideally, I would chemically synthesize all of the oligopeptides, but I don't know if that's possible yet, on a macroscopic scale
09:58 < n_bentha> i guess u already saw this one, right?
09:58 < n_bentha> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658765/
09:59 < diginet> n_bentha, yeah, thanks though
10:00 < n_bentha> ParahSalin__ have you ever seen an organism with a triangular asshole?
10:00 < ParahSailin__> why do you want to make oligopeptides?
10:02 < diginet> because the spidroin in highly modular, it seems it would be easier merely to "stitch" the modules together using chemical ligation
10:02 < diginet> from what I've read, getting anything to express the native protein in usable quantities is going to be extremely difficult
10:03 < n_bentha> but they did it in bacteria?
10:03 < diginet> sort of
10:03 < n_bentha> what do you mean sort of?
10:03 < diginet> they made a 250 kDa protein, which is about 30% shorter than the real thing
10:03 < ParahSailin__> what chemical ligation...
10:03 < diginet> ParahSailin__, native chemical ligation?
10:04 < ParahSailin__> pretty sure that doesnt exist
10:04 < n_bentha> diginet: i thought they were already doing the whole sequence now?
10:04 < diginet> n_bentha, not that I know of
10:04 < n_bentha> ok
10:04 < diginet> ParahSailin__, this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_chemical_ligation
10:05 < ParahSailin__> dont do that
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10:05 < diginet> what's the matter with it?
10:06 < n_bentha> http://www.mater.upm.es/Directorio/PDI/CU/Llorca_archivos/Silk-Frac.pdf
10:06 < n_bentha> cysteines?
10:07 < diginet> all it requires is a cysteine at the end of hte sequence, considering all my sequences end in alanine, isn't it trivial just to desulfurize the cysteine to alanine?
10:07 < n_bentha> ok there are only 2 cysteines in the sequence, 1 at the start and 1 at the end
10:10 < diginet> the spidroin? I know, but cysteine can be converted to alanine rather easily, which is of course higly prevalent in the sequence
10:11 < n_bentha> Well if you want to, go for it. I guess I'm just skeptical and wouldn't want to bother.
10:11 < n_bentha> Plants are more interesting to me.
10:12 < diginet> I dunno, I guess I feel like once the process is developed, this would be easier
10:12 < diginet> but who knows, if it doesn't work then so be ti
10:14 < diginet> one interesting thing is that catalysing the reactions is as simple as putting it in a microwave over (literally)
10:14 < diginet> it can speed up the process from taking a day to around an hour
10:16 < n_bentha> cool
10:16 < n_bentha> but i guess getting your starting material is the hard part
10:17 < n_bentha> how long of a sequence would you start with?
10:17 < n_bentha> would it be easier to just insert the whole sequence into bacteria instead?
10:20 < diginet> I don't think it would work in bacteria
10:20 < n_bentha> ok. well why not just get the bacteria that the guys in korea inserted a fragment into?
10:21 < n_bentha> u can then use the proteins produced for your ligation?
10:23 < archels> http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl
10:24 < n_bentha> i voted for mind-uploading becuase of the recent advances in the area
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10:29 < archels> me too
10:30 < archels> of course uploading implies immortality, but that's probably not what they meant.
10:32 < eudoxia> ... you would also need to find out what state they are in currently. And figure out their spiking levels, ...
10:32 < eudoxia> somebody should write a bot to spot these conversations and PM the WBE Roadmap to everyone involved
10:36 < kanzure> http://makerfairecambridge.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/diybio-gfp-at-cambridge-mini-maker-faire/
10:44 < klafka> hey kanzure are there any startupy bioinfo/biotech companies here? or can you give me a list of them
10:44 < klafka> for like future purposes
10:44 < klafka> or is there one maintained somewhere
10:49 < kanzure> that's a long list :|
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10:58 < klafka> wow i need to learn ruby better -_-
10:58 < kanzure> klafka: missing something?
10:59 < klafka> i'm just reading through this source code and i don't know what a lot of stuff means
10:59 < klafka> what is @@ in ruby? prefixing a variable?
10:59 < kanzure> ask me ask me
10:59 < klafka> or @
10:59 < kanzure> @ is an instance variable
10:59 < klafka> as opposed to a global variable?
10:59 < kanzure> @@ is a class variable shared by all instances of a class
10:59 < klafka> oooh
11:00 < klafka> ok
11:00 < klafka> wow iv'e forgotten so much OO
11:00 < klafka> i wrote some sweet mongo and python and sql last night though
11:00 < klafka> that was nice
11:00 < klafka> <3 python
11:00 < klafka> i'm glad our analytics person does everythign in python too
11:01 < kanzure> i've been writing this all day:
11:01 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/blob/285b3066a443438b30691be7193e7f7135b9a950/extras/crystal.py
11:01 < delinquentme> klafka, they work in ruby and python?
11:01 < klafka> our engineers use ruby / js / jquery
11:01 < klafka> our analytics uses r / python / sql
11:02 < delinquentme> Goldenrod PP Speech House
11:02 < delinquentme> heheh
11:04 < klafka> is this actually for disassembling pokemon crystal
11:04 < kanzure> yes
11:04 < kanzure> it generates asm that compiles into crystal's rom
11:04 < klafka> LOL
11:04 < klafka> wow i'm slightly terrified
11:04 < kanzure> then you shuold see pokered...
11:04 < klafka> see it's when i see stuff like this i know i'm not a developer :P
11:05 < kanzure> pokered: https://bitbucket.org/kanzure/pokered/raw/b57b31748bfc/main.asm
11:05 < klafka> very cool though
11:05 < kanzure> also it was on HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3473111
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11:06 < delinquentme> kanzure, you use both bitbucket and github?
11:06 < delinquentme> porque
11:06 < klafka> i use both
11:06 < kanzure> because pokered is hosted primarily on bitbucket
11:06 < kanzure> http://bitbucket.org/iimarckus/pokered
11:07 < delinquentme> ohh its a fork of someone else?
11:07 < klafka> what are your guys thoughts on http://javascriptenlightenment.com/ ?
11:07 < delinquentme> klafka, why 2 repos?
11:07 < kanzure> pokered was started by iimarckus
11:07 < klafka> bitbucket lets you have free private repos
11:07 < kanzure> but i've contributed the past 1100 commits
11:07 < delinquentme> its free
11:07 < delinquentme> im for it
11:07 < delinquentme> thats alot of qork kanzure :D
11:07 < delinquentme> work**
11:07 < delinquentme> you could be playing everquest
11:07 < kanzure> there are two repos because they are different games
11:08 < kanzure> delinquentme: the number one rule of ##hplusroadmap is Always be coding
11:08 < klafka> lol
11:08 < klafka> i should be writing training material
11:08 < klafka> and writing about PROCESSS
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11:10 < delinquentme> klafka, #OnTheClock?
11:10 < kanzure> what is #OnTheClock?
11:10 < kanzure> i don't think that channel exists
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11:11 < delinquentme> ./lookofdissapproval
11:11 < delinquentme> im wiring pots
11:11 < delinquentme> ( or learning to )
11:11 < klafka1> haha
11:11 < klafka1> delinquentme i'm always #OnTheClock
11:11 < klafka1> a new person in my role starts monday
11:11 < klafka1> so i have to get all this shit written for all the process i've defined
11:11 < klafka1> :(
11:12 < klafka1> ok i do really like anon functions in ruby
11:12 < klafka1> a lot
11:12  * klafka1 wishes pythons anonymous functions were a bit better
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11:15 < audy> klafka1 python has anonymous functions?
11:15 < audy> getouttahere
11:15 < audy> oh you mean lambda?
11:15 < klafka1> yes
11:15 < klafka1> lambdas
11:16 < delinquentme> which is the superclass of which
11:16 < delinquentme> lambda < proc
11:16 < eudoxia> ... of the normal function?
11:16 < klafka1> lambda are anon functions
11:16 < delinquentme> some derp quizzed me on that and told me I was wrong
11:16 < delinquentme> ( in ruby at least )
11:17 < audy> I have to write a paper for metabolic engineering class
11:17 < delinquentme> OOC is the MO in getting a SV job to just prove how smart you are?
11:17 < klafka1> OOC ?
11:17 < audy> on how to engineer a bacterium to make X. (balance redox, make sure there isn't too little/much ATP)
11:17 < delinquentme> like I've been hesitant to say much about my hardware hacking and the genomes and shit
11:17 < delinquentme> out of curiosity
11:17 < klafka1> mm
11:17 < delinquentme> bc i've been turned down for a number of jobs and I cant help but think that I'm missing something
11:17 < klafka1> my MO was to move to san francisco and have a job that pays me more than 14/hr
11:18 < klafka1> really?
11:18 < klafka1> were you qualified for them?
11:18 < delinquentme> its kinda silly
11:18 < klafka1> did you mention relocation right away?
11:18 < delinquentme> the last one I interviewed for I was totally qualified for
11:18 < klafka1> personality?
11:18 < delinquentme> it was front end JS and HTML/CSS for a house that does ror
11:18 < delinquentme> was I too nice?
11:18 < klafka1> idk
11:18 < delinquentme> yeah I mentioned relocation right away
11:19 < klafka1> don't
11:19 < delinquentme> yeah man u got me
11:19 < delinquentme> oh
11:19 < klafka1> did you get to the interview stage?
11:19 < klafka1> i mean i did ok once i got to the interview stage
11:19 < delinquentme> yeah i consistently get interviews
11:19 < delinquentme> lots lol
11:19 < klafka1> but getting ot that stage was tough for me
11:19 < klafka1> mm
11:19 < klafka1> are you just trying to get 'any' decent SV job
11:19 < klafka1> or are you targetting very specific stuff?
11:19 < klafka1> like biotech
11:20 < delinquentme> like I've hit a fairly large array
11:20 < delinquentme> I've got one that im super qualified for coming up
11:20 < delinquentme> IDK maybe they're still entrenched in that school system and want to see the piece of paper
11:20 < delinquentme> this ones is @ newrelic working in busdev on rails and APIs
11:21 < klafka1> ooh do you not have a degree?
11:21 < klafka1> i thought you did
11:21 < delinquentme> so like I've got the programming and the business exp
11:21 < delinquentme> yeah
11:21 < delinquentme> totes
11:21 < delinquentme> so gotta see whats up with this
11:21 < klafka1> wait
11:21 < klafka1> you're doing biz dev
11:21 < klafka1> are you qualified for a biz dev role?
11:21 < klafka1> you know biz dev isn't like programming
11:21 < delinquentme> define qualified?
11:21 < delinquentme> here ill show u :D
11:22 < delinquentme> http://newton.newtonsoftware.com/career/JobIntroduction.action?clientId=4028f88b20d6768d0120f7ae45e50365&id=4028f88b2b2edbff012b305cddb107b4&gnewtonResize=http://newton.newtonsoftware.com/career/GnewtonResize.htm&source=
11:22 < klafka1> oh
11:22 < klafka1> that's not biz dev
11:22 < delinquentme> RoR Developer - Business Applications
11:22 < klafka1> heh
11:22 < delinquentme> its some magical place between the two
11:22 < klafka1> hmm
11:23 < delinquentme> but yeah creative houses ... turning me down *shrugs* IDK
11:23 < delinquentme> interesting situation
11:23 < klafka1> have you looked into splunk? they seem kind of cool
11:23 < klafka1> also bloomreach
11:23 < delinquentme> cant say I've interviewd or applied
11:24 < delinquentme> klafka1, but yeah once im out thereeeee
11:24 < delinquentme> GRRRRRRRRRRRR!
11:24 < delinquentme> GON BE AWESHUM
11:24 < klafka1> yeah
11:24 < klafka1> well i'd look into those
11:24 < klafka1> i'm particularly interested in bloomreach
11:24 < klafka1> seems pretty exciting
11:25 < delinquentme> yeah I've got em marked down
11:25 < klafka1> you could always apply to genentech as a dev :P
11:25 < delinquentme> you been hitting any network events there?
11:25 < klafka1> i actually haven't so much
11:25 < klafka1> because i commute a lot and i've sort of just been working non-stop
11:26 < klafka1> as we hire more people and i eventually become less fully customer facing hopefully htat will get better
11:26 < klafka1> though it won't soon since i'm about to start doing phone support =\
11:26 < delinquentme> I've been wondering if they're checking my twitter to kind of gauge my interests ....
11:26 < delinquentme> too tin foil hat?
11:27 < klafka1> idk i completely dissociated myself from my internet presence
11:27 < klafka1> when i applied
11:27 < delinquentme> you just didnt mention it? or did you take down your FB?
11:27 < delinquentme> maybe thats what I should do :D
11:27 < klafka1> i didn't use anything w/ klafka
11:27 < klafka1> and i'm not really findable outside of that
11:27 < delinquentme> ahh
11:28 < delinquentme> my github is delinquentme
11:28 < delinquentme> oh well
11:28 < kanzure> delinquentme: nobody looks me up before they start paying me
11:28 < kanzure> and i'm on various fbi watchlists
11:29 < kanzure> .. or something
11:29 < delinquentme> :P lucky
11:29 < delinquentme> IDK
11:29 < delinquentme> maybe i've been too positive and like
11:29 < delinquentme> ass kissey
11:30 < delinquentme> silly interview process
11:30 < eudoxia> how do FBI watchlists work anyways
11:30 < eudoxia> do they send you a letter telling you you're now part of a watchlist or what
11:31 < kanzure> eudoxia: you can send a FOIA request
11:31 < kanzure> to see what info they have on you
11:34 < eudoxia> that is potentially very scary to read
11:39 < delinquentme> OK all I need to reboot as im getting weirdness going on with my ttyACM0 port .. thing
11:39 < delinquentme> connection UBS
11:39 < delinquentme> hole
11:39 < delinquentme> BRB!
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11:43 < delinquentme> sick
11:43 < delinquentme> http://imgur.com/gallery/BkR3V
11:43 < delinquentme> also:
11:43 < delinquentme> http://imgur.com/gallery/ro1nB
11:44 < klafka1> lol
11:44 < klafka1> man have you heard of dev boot camp?
11:45 < _F7_> My sister is doing a research paper on cryogenics
11:45 < _F7_> Her teacher is pushing for her to do a speculative analysis, but she's not sure how to project
11:45 < delinquentme> klafka1, isnt that where you move to NY
11:45 < delinquentme> and like its a shitty deal with marketing?
11:46 < klafka1> it's like a 10 week RoR course in san francisco
11:46 < klafka1> seems weird
11:46 < _F7_> I shot her transmetropolitan issue #8 and some alcor material
11:46 < klafka1> http://devbootcamp.com/
11:47 < klafka1> i'm kind of curious but also not
11:47 < klafka1> i mean definitely not enough to do it
11:47 < delinquentme> ohh ici ci
11:47 < kanzure> brownies was thinking about doing one (with me possibly)
11:47 < _F7_> Any ideas, y'all?
11:47 < kanzure> i mean, running a devbootcamp
11:47 < kanzure> not attending
11:48 < delinquentme> ZOMG 9500!
11:48 < delinquentme> WHUT DEAL
11:48 < delinquentme> ehh
11:48 < _F7_> I sent her the paper in kanzure's stash about the role of nanotech in a thawing situation
11:48 < klafka1> oh you found what it cost
11:48 < klafka1> damn 9500 that's like a quarter at a private university
11:48 < delinquentme> thats with all the discounts
11:48 < delinquentme> including being a black female
11:48 < klafka1> cool
11:48 < delinquentme> =/
11:48 < klafka1> you should guestlist me kanzure if you do it
11:49 < klafka1> :P
11:49 < delinquentme> ill do a cameo
11:49 < delinquentme> show you how to blow up LEDs
11:49 < kanzure> usually you don't have to pay if you get hired
11:49 < delinquentme> << total pro @ that
11:49 < delinquentme> not a bad business model
11:50 < klafka1> lol
11:50 < klafka1> you can put line breaks anywhere pretty much in ruby right?
11:50 < klafka1> for readability
11:50 < delinquentme> klafka1, correct
11:50 < delinquentme> =begin =end is your block comments as well :D
11:51 < kanzure> lesson one.... always be coding
11:51 < klafka1> like
11:51 < kanzure> lesson two.. never not be coding
11:51 < klafka1> input.each_line{|line| /(.*?)\W+->\W+(.*?)}/.match(line)
11:51 < klafka1>                   => recommender.order_items.add_set(1,[2])
11:51 < klafka1>                 }
11:51 < klafka1> we cool?
11:51 < delinquentme> also!   'asdf,asdf'[/regex/]
11:51 < delinquentme> yeah you can tab the shit out of that
11:51 < kanzure> klafka1: if it hates that then add a \ to the end of the previous line
11:51 < brownies> hilarious
11:51 < delinquentme> ive been using the SH!T out of that regex command
11:52 < delinquentme> or if you're in HAML a |
11:52 < delinquentme> brownies, do tell
11:52 < brownies> shit, i'll give you a 10 week ruby course *right now*
11:52 < klafka1> umm i'm confused is that how you use capture groups in ruby?
11:53 < brownies> read the ruby source code, send me $10000, thanks.
11:55 < klafka1> wow
11:55 < klafka1> 'Railsbridge is free if you bring a woman- done on various weekends.'
11:55 < klafka1> wtf
11:55 < kanzure> brownies: you're an inspiration to us all
11:55 < klafka1> hella misogyn
11:55 < klafka1> misogyny
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11:56 < klafka1> man i wish comcast didn't suck terribly
11:56 < klafka1> or i had better options
11:56 < delinquentme> lololol klafka1 link on that?
11:56 < klafka1> it's in an email thread via that ruby meetup
11:56 < delinquentme> OOO TIL that transmission on ubuntu automatically defaults to encrypting torrents
11:57 < klafka1> wait delinquentme explain capturing in ruby regex
11:57 < delinquentme> thats really weird like... there were no shortage of cute girls while i was there
11:58 < delinquentme> klafka1, "\n\r\t Journal Du Awesomeness\n\t\r\r\r\r\r\rt\"[/[\n\t\r]+/]
11:58 < delinquentme> that will allow you to regex select within that string
11:58 < kanzure> klafka1: i don't think he knows about capture groups in regular expression
11:58 < kanzure> *expressions
11:58 < klafka1> oh
11:58 < klafka1> -_-
11:58 < klafka1> well kanzure tlel me -_ is that ruby code i pasted syntactically incorrect?
11:59 < delinquentme> O_o
11:59 < klafka1> because i'm getting an error recommendify_example.rb:27: syntax error, unexpected tASSOC, expecting '}'
11:59 < klafka1>                   => recommender.order_items.add_set(1,[2])
11:59 < klafka1> wth
11:59 < kanzure> well, irst, i don't know about your regex syntax- what's the dangling }
11:59 < klafka1> does that means
11:59 < kanzure> second, why do you have a => here?
11:59 < klafka1> idk i was looking at http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/Regexp.html
12:00 < kanzure> fenn: http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?184,66646,112716 re photopolymers for bluray curing
12:01 < kanzure> klafka1: all of the #=> is comments ;P
12:01 < kanzure> => is used in hash mappings
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12:01 < kanzure> what is the final structure of output that you are expecting
12:02 < brownies> kanzure: inspiration costs extra
12:02 < kanzure> brownies: i only have $25,000 will you accept this?
12:02 < klafka1> oooh
12:02 < brownies> fine, but it better not be in bitcoin
12:02 < kanzure> it's in kanzurecoin
12:02 < kanzure> it's even better than bitcoin
12:03 < klafka1> the output is i want to capture those two groups  /(.*?)\W+->\W+(.*?)}/.match(line) and add the two groups to this instance like recommender.order_items.add_set(r[0],r[1])
12:03 < kanzure> match_group = /(.*?)\W+->\W+(.*?)}/.match(line);
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12:03 < kanzure> recommender.order_items.add_set(match_group[0],match_group[1])
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12:04 < kanzure> input.each_line{|line| match_group = /(.*?)\W+->\W+(.*?)}/.match(line); recommender.order_items.add_set(match_group[0],match_group[1]) }
12:04 < klafka1> can i do that within the context of the code block?
12:04 < kanzure> add_set probably wants a Set object
12:04 < kanzure> sure.. you can do multiple lines too
12:04 < klafka1> would it be like
12:04 < klafka1> input.each_line{|line| r = /(.*?)\W+->\W+(.*?)}/.match(line);
12:04 < klafka1>               recommender.order_items.add_set(r[0],r[1])
12:04 < klafka1>                 }
12:04 < kanzure> yes that should work
12:05 < klafka1> ok cool
12:05 < kanzure> it could even be like: input.each_line do |line|\n  puts "OH SHIT";\n  puts "CRAP";\nend
12:05 < kanzure> what the heck is each_line? why not just lines.each do |line| ... end
12:05 < kanzure> personally i prefer to use {|x|..} syntax when it's small enough to be on one line
12:06 < kanzure> and "do |x| .. end" syntax for multi-line things, but it doesn't really matter
12:06 < klafka1> idk
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12:06 < klafka1> i just found it via googling
12:06 < klafka1> also wth, if i install a gem shouldn't it just work by going require foo in my script ?
12:07 < kanzure> btw, i know perfromance is probably not a big issue here, but you might consider defining /(.*?)\W+->\W+(.*?)}/ outside of the loop
12:07 < kanzure> *performance
12:07 < klafka1> mmm
12:07 < klafka1> to pre-compile the regex
12:07 < klafka1> got it
12:08 < kanzure> i'm sure it compiles it just once either way..
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12:48 < kanzure> https://github.com/thesprouts/nurbs/blob/master/NurbsSurface.java
12:48 < kanzure> alec again?
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12:59 < kanzure> not sure if these guys are useful.. something about writing cam algorithms
12:59 < kanzure> http://www.freesteel.co.uk/wpblog/faq/
13:01 < kanzure> well at least they do testing
13:01 < kanzure> http://www.freesteel.co.uk/wpblog/2011/11/unit-testing-cam-algorithms-what-could-that-be-about/
13:03 < ParahSailin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uros seasteading, oldschool
13:04 < kanzure> huh there's a scraperwiki blog.. http://blog.scraperwiki.com/
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13:17 < delinquentme_> MOAR WORXXX
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13:38 < audy> scumbag springerlink uses a cookie to determine whether or not to put up a paywall so after you've logged in to your university VPN you still can't download the article
13:39 < audy> without using a privacy window
13:40 < kanzure> your university might use something called ezproxy
13:40 < kanzure> which university?
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13:41 < audy> kanzure UF
13:41 < kanzure> ufl.edu?
13:42 < audy> It's not ezproxy
13:42 < audy> kanzure yep
13:42 < audy> I believe they're checking my IP
13:42 < audy> for *.ufl.edu
13:42 < kanzure> wrong
13:42 < kanzure> audy: login here http://lp.hscl.ufl.edu/login
13:43 < kanzure> and enjoy
13:43 < audy> kanzure thanks. I'm not having a problem getting articles. It's just a minor nuisance
13:43 < kanzure> you should try this if you've never used it
13:44 < kanzure> btw, "wrong" was to "it's not ezproxy"- i know vpn is not ezproxy- but your university definitely seems to have it there^
13:53 < Cat4D> who is at ufl???
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13:54 < Cat4D> fuk, go over to surflab and chase down jorg peters and the lab kids
13:55 < Cat4D> i'll cover cost of snack on way back
13:55 < kanzure> that's a pretty solid deal
13:55 < Cat4D> http://cise.ufl.edu/research/SurfLab/info.shtml
13:56 < Cat4D> whois *!*@*!*.ufl.edu
13:56 < Cat4D> ugh
13:57 < Cat4D> here, bring a picture of lava with you, so they comprehend the basics: http://lavalee.smugmug.com or http://royalgardens.us
13:58 < Cat4D> woops royalgardens sensors have no uplink, bad url
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14:20 < Cat4D> who wants to visualize 3 exobyte of volcano data? ;)
14:20 < Cat4D> 1mm surface over 10 miles
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14:23 < klafka1> ooooh
14:23 < klafka1> that sounds pretty fun
14:23 < klafka1> is it like
14:23 < klafka1> lidar?
14:23 < klafka1> or what kind of data is it?
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14:25 < Cat4D> no, my volumetric is an advanced field effect system, the surface model is a composite, but we are going to re-deploy with consumer laser pointers and cell fones
14:25 < Cat4D> which is why this mathematical extrapolation is such a problem
14:26 < Cat4D> I was fedex-ing a case of hard drives a day
14:28 < klafka1> hahah nice
14:28 < Cat4D> Ive always used a poly spline fitting method, which handles both volumetric and surface (air=volume) bounds
14:28 < Cat4D> but this is the opposite of their technique for the gpu
14:28 < Cat4D> http://cise.ufl.edu/research/surflab/bview
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14:28 < klafka1> what is a field effect system?
14:29 < klafka1> 403
14:29 < Cat4D> and im concerned that the high accuracy technique using these spherical coordinate poly nurbs cant get passed to parallel without flattening them
14:30 < Cat4D> http://cise.ufl.edu/research/SurfLab/bview/
14:30 < Cat4D> i can see why their csie got shut down...
14:32 < Cat4D> ok
14:32 < Cat4D> audy
14:32 < Cat4D> go find them and send them to ITO Hilo
14:33 < Cat4D> (ufl cise and jorg-peters)
14:33 < klafka1> nice
14:33 < klafka1> well fedexing hdds is still the fastest if lowest latency way to transfer large amts of data
14:33 < Cat4D> 400x
14:34 < kanzure> it would be fun to setup a molten-lava-resistant oc192 link through a volcano
14:34 < Cat4D> i've got conduit 60ft under the lava
14:35 < katsmeow-afk> i'd have just used radio
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14:35 < Cat4D> was supposed to build a fiber circuit through to the i2/southern-cross, but hawaii's organized crime unions, called "rico" got in the way
14:35 < ParahSailin> pigeon sd is faster
14:35 < Cat4D> kats, the 3gbit horns work, but in the gas and ocean wind environment they are flakey, using 24ghz too
14:36  * katsmeow-afk nods
14:36 < Cat4D> ParahSailin: is the full-size carrier still overpriced?
14:36 < Cat4D> but then satellite dishes look pretty curled up like flowers when the lava comes
14:37 < katsmeow-afk> heh
14:38 < Cat4D> http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2012/03/04/video-jack-thompson-returns-to-see-home-destroyed-by-lava/
14:38 < Cat4D> last month
14:39 < Cat4D> my lab is 100ft under new flows, two blocks up from there
14:39 < klafka1> damn
14:39 < klafka1> that's pretty crazy
14:40 < Cat4D> very pretty
14:40 < Cat4D> http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/cams/panorama.php?cam=R2cam
14:41 < Cat4D> im a little ways above that usgs cam right now
14:42 < klafka1> woah
14:42 < klafka1> very pretty
14:42 < Cat4D> audy you are sure you can get to them, right?
14:43 < klafka1> what are you doing with your volcano surface data? like what's your objective? flow modeling?
14:43 < Cat4D> all
14:43 < Cat4D> mine is volumetric
14:43 < Cat4D> but the surface (range scanners, etc) are higly optimized
14:44 < Cat4D> we normally do archaeological sites, but kilauea project is intended to demosntrate use of conventional tools
14:44 < Cat4D> walmart lazer pointer and cell fone
14:44 < klafka1> mm I see
14:44 < Cat4D> to do mass scale at extreme resolution
14:44 < Cat4D> so now its proving that consumer devices can match or beat our research equipment
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14:45 < klafka1> ah got it
14:45 < Cat4D> surface color and composition == chemistry, flow speed, etc
14:45 < Cat4D> even have purple lava
14:46 < klafka1> i see
14:46 < klafka1> interesting
14:46 < Cat4D> its blue when it cools
14:46 < klafka1> like navy ?
14:46 < Cat4D> no, usn keeps trying to kill me
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14:48 < Cat4D> they also keep jamming my sensor systems... even sent the f22 to isolate and zap the bots once
14:48 < Cat4D> their ambient-awareness and my field-effect systems dont get along
14:48 < Cat4D> (mine cancles their noise)
14:49 < klafka1> ahahaha crazy
14:49 < Cat4D> so their system automatically fries mine
14:49 < klafka1> that's kind of scary the ability to fry hardware our planes have
14:49 < Cat4D> which, ammusingly, is a plasma core for the signal generator, so it intrinsicly resets
14:49 < Cat4D> not the plane
14:49 < Cat4D> the us military / nato keep a constant field around the planet
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14:50 < Cat4D> can direct all energy to any point for (icbm intercept, etc) signal generation
14:50 < kanzure> ...
14:50 < Cat4D> and as an effect, can see every beeping device, and every particle that moves
14:50 < klafka1> um
14:50 < kanzure> ...
14:51 < Cat4D> build your TV's crt beam director using a field modulator
14:51 < Cat4D> and zap solidworks
14:53 < yashgaroth> this got into haarp pretty quick
14:55 < Cat4D> oh, field-effect similar to "eddy current"
14:56 < Cat4D> aka metal fracture signal differentials
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15:06 < strangewarp> Oh, that sucks
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15:10 < strangewarp> I'm sorry, but it's depressing that people should be so interesting, and then after 30 minutes they start talking about UFOs or military energy fields
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15:11 < Cat4D> unfortionate they zapped me first
15:12 < Cat4D> cheaters
15:12  * Cat4D pets volcano
15:15 < Cat4D> i think catmull running disney right now has a major ethics issue... where is the last 3 decades of spline math?
15:16 < kanzure> you think spline math stagnation is intentional?
15:18 < Cat4D> ?
15:18 < Cat4D> triangles in gpus?
15:18 < ParahSailin> anyone have otr set up in irc? i wanna test out my settings
15:23 < Cat4D> you think sgi needs get beat down...
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15:42 < kanzure> http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2012/4/17/on-demand-3d-printed-robots.html
15:43 < kanzure> "Researchers hope to create a platform that would allow an individual to identify a household problem that needs assistance; then head to a local printing store to select a blueprint, from a library of robotic designs; and then customize an easy-to-use robotic device that could solve the problem."
15:43 < kanzure> hrm..
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16:32 < Urchin> one of the supposed points of singularity is that everything would be designed and built for the task at hand
16:33 < strangewarp> false
16:34 < strangewarp> the point is that even technology-development processes with lossy momentum, with people going off into diversions and whatnot, would become self-sustaining.
16:35 < Urchin> it's a side point
16:36 < Urchin> just as the steel singularity didn't turn out to have a single point
16:40 < joshcryer> what do you guys think of these: http://www.coastal.com/glasses/frames/lucky-stewart-stonewash-olive/prod22262.html?rsView=1&ga=F|M|K
16:42 < strangewarp> "steel singularity"?
16:42 < strangewarp> Are we calling arbitrary technology developments singularities again
16:44 < strangewarp> joshcryer: Good I guess? Though full-framed glasses don't go with my face so well
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17:07 < Urchin> not arbitrary, the production of steel historically followed the pattern of the hypothesized technological singularity we're expecting
17:08 < Urchin> it happened that in 1930s more steel was produced than in the entire history up to that point, if you failed to notice that fundamental changes happened on how civilization works...
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17:13 < strangewarp> Urchin: Wrong. The utility of steel had diminishing returns after its initial development. So while its utility increased after its initial development, the increase was linear.
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17:15 < strangewarp> You're also claiming "more steel in the 1930s than ever existed" denotes a singularity, when it really means.. steel didn't exist before the 1930s.
17:15 < katsmeow-afk> it's a conditioal statement anyhow, so if you did NOT fail to notice the changes, then the production did NOT follow the pattern
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17:17 < strangewarp> If you're going to insist on calling that sort of thing a singularity, at least call it a "soft singularity" or something
17:17 < strangewarp> IMO it's entirely silly
17:18 < kanzure> "singularity" in non-graph contexts is supposed to refer to "zoom" from exponential accelerating returns
17:18 < kanzure> *to the "zoom"
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17:24 < kanzure> roksprok: hi
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17:35 < katsmeow-afk> delinquentme_, i answered your question in the other channel, after you pinged out
17:35 < delinquentme_> about how to match PWM to the capable movement speed of the actuator?
17:36 < katsmeow-afk> no, about how you got bad readings from an adc and pot
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18:09 < diginet> I object to the word singularity if for no other reason than the bastardization of the word itself, ala "organic"
18:16 < roksprok> kanzure: hi
18:16 < kanzure> roksprok: how goes the protocols?
18:17 < roksprok> a bit slow....but its progressing
18:17 < roksprok> and i'm learning a lot
18:18 < roksprok> so....i hope this doesn't seem presumptuous of me....
18:18 < roksprok> but i have been thinking abit about your synthesis machine
18:18 < roksprok> and i was wondering if you would be open to a slight 'pivot' to a gene synthesis machine
18:19 < roksprok> so i am thinking of several 'lab-on-a-chips'
18:19 < roksprok> oligo synthesis, gibson assembly, pcr, various ligating
18:20 < roksprok> loaded into a device connected to a usb port on any old computer
18:20 < roksprok> with a little app that takes a sequence of dna or a plasmid map and says '3 oligo chips, 2 pcr, and golden gate assembly'
18:21 < roksprok> which are then retrieved from the fridge in the case of those requiring enzymes
18:21 < roksprok> and loaded into the machine
18:21 < roksprok> that would be able to raise the temperature as needed, fire the control valves, and such
18:21 < kanzure> what is the pivot?
18:22 < roksprok> from oligo synthesis to gene synthesis....a 'PlasmidPrinter' if you will
18:23 < roksprok> http://blog.ginkgobioworks.com/2012/01/14/commercial-gene-synthesis/
18:23 < roksprok> ginkgo bioworks complaining about commercial gene synthesis
18:24 < roksprok> http://j5.jbei.org/index.php/Main_Page program that spits out the oligos to synthesis and steps towards creating the plasmid
18:25 < roksprok> also for the diy market, i think a printer-like all in one device would be very compelling
18:25 < roksprok> and help foster a community like that which exists for avrs or the arduino or rasberrypi
18:25 < roksprok> and kind of exists for biobricks
18:26 < kanzure> yeah, that's the general plan for sure
18:26 < kanzure> oligo synthesis isn't considered gene synthesis, so you have to assemble shorter oligos into longer and longer fragments
18:26 < roksprok> also as a 'transhumanism-aid' it would compress the time from specification to production
18:26 < roksprok> yes that would be the pivot
18:27 < roksprok> from just oligos that are then stiched together using various methods
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18:27 < roksprok> to gene synthesis....you no longer have to worry 'is gibson assembly good? what about golden gate?
18:28 < kanzure> yeah we've been thinking about oligo ligation
18:28 < kanzure> there are a few methods in the literature for short oligo ligation
18:28 < kanzure> but they will require tweaking before they actually work
18:28 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Gene%20synthesis%20by%20assembly%20of%20short%20oligonucleotides%20-%20Horspool%20thesis%20-%202009.pdf
18:28 < roksprok> didn't jcvi do the tweaking?
18:28 < kanzure> jcvi created gibson assembly
18:29 < roksprok> they had a what....100kb construct?
18:29 < kanzure> they don't do short oligo ligation
18:29 < roksprok> but to assemble stuff for gibson assembly don't you have to fist do short ligation?
18:29 < kanzure> yes, you synthesize 60-100mers and combine them with pcr extension
18:30 < kanzure> but extension pcr is not usable for short oligo ligation
18:30 < kanzure> by short i mean <10 bp
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18:31 < roksprok> why not chemical synthesis?
18:31 < kanzure> yes, you can do chemical synthesis of short oligos
18:31 < roksprok> doesn't that get you up to 200bp?
18:31 < kanzure> not really
18:31 < roksprok> or is that 'if you do it 100 times'
18:31 < kanzure> chemical synthesis requires a lot of tweaking to get up to 200 bp without errors
18:33 < roksprok> so its better to do short oligo ligation of <10bp?
18:33 < kanzure> that will be more reliable, yes
18:33 < kanzure> or the other idea is to just store a few thousand pre-synthesized <10mers
18:34 < kanzure> and then combine those.
18:34 < roksprok> is it reasonable to combine ligation methods so you can get up to the kilobp range?
18:35 < roksprok> by combine do they sequentially using the same machine
18:35 < roksprok> do them
18:35 < kanzure> that's an open question, but yes that's the idea
18:36 < roksprok> is that needed? like looking at ginkgobioworks.com it seems like they are working very hard to make things that are not terribly impressive
18:37 < kanzure> is what needed? ligation? yes..
18:38 < roksprok> what does synthetic biology need to get it to the stage where it is common place to engineer a new organism
18:38 < kanzure> oh, btw, by "combine those" i meant combine(ligate) the <10mers
18:38 < kanzure> roksprok: cheap genome synthesis
18:38 < yashgaroth> 'new' as in total genome synthesis?
18:39 < kanzure> right now the largest cost is synthesis
18:39 < roksprok> yashgaroth: inserting multiple genes to make something pretty unrecognizable
18:39 < kanzure> bringing it down to $1/genome is doable but not with existing synthesizers
18:40 < kanzure> other organisms routinely synthesize genomes for way less than $1/genome
18:40 < yashgaroth> erm multiple genes happens pretty regularly
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18:40 < yashgaroth> other organisms copy genomes, but yes
18:42 < roksprok> yashgaroth: but isn't it always 'e coli. expressing a protein or two'?
18:42 < yashgaroth> usually, but certainly not always
18:42 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure some people have transplanted entire metabolic pathways
18:43 < roksprok> diginet is planning on it right?
18:43 < yashgaroth> no he's pretty much just expressing a protein or two
18:44 < roksprok> is it unreasonable to think of...say...adding engineered cells to the immune system?
18:44 < roksprok> or....what has to happen before that is not unreasonable
18:44 < yashgaroth> dendreon does that already
18:45 < kanzure> lots of testing
18:46 < yashgaroth> protocols for hematopoietic cell extraction and transplantation are pretty established
18:46 < yashgaroth> adding DNA to them is less established but still done
18:47 < roksprok> so...is it more a policy obstacle then?
18:47 < yashgaroth> mostly, yes
18:47 < roksprok> as to why this is only an option for one type of prostate cancer as opposed to having a library of ways to genetically engineer them?
18:48 < yashgaroth> cost of r&d
18:48 < roksprok> would cheap on demand genome synthesis bring it down enough to where it was an option?
18:49 < roksprok> or is it more the manpower / clinical trials cost
18:49 < yashgaroth> mmm you're not gonna be using genome synthesis for modifying immune cells
18:49 < yashgaroth> clinical trials cost a billion dollars
18:50 < kanzure> annd full genome synthesis is going to run you <$100 mil
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18:51 < roksprok> so what do you think is needed for transhumanism to win
18:51 < AdrianG> nothing
18:51 < kanzure> high-resolution transcranial brain stimulation
18:51 < kanzure> cheap genome synthesis
18:51 < yashgaroth> money, also more money
18:52 < yashgaroth> ooh a computational solution to the protein folding problem
18:52 < roksprok> yashgaroth: there is already a lot of money....i mean you could argue that all pharma companies are working towards curing disease/aging
18:52 < AdrianG> lol FDA will never approve aging to be considered a disease
18:52 < yashgaroth> diseases maybe, not really aging...at least not explicitly
18:52 < AdrianG> hopefully pharma corps are smart enough to medicalize every symptom of aging
18:52 < kanzure> the current pharma paradigm for "curing diseases" is all broken anyway
18:52 < yashgaroth> any sort of enhancement technology won't really pass the FDA at this point
18:52 < AdrianG> kanzure: do you have better suggestions
18:53 < AdrianG> yashgaroth: it will simply be marketed for "diseases"
18:53 < AdrianG> and rx'd off label, like modafinil
18:53 < AdrianG> and aricept, and tons of other meds
18:53 < kanzure> AdrianG: yeah, in many cases if you ignore patents you can make more treatments
18:54 < yashgaroth> aye, but there's a reason biopharma costs hundreds of thousands of $ a year
18:54 < roksprok> yashgaroth: so are you pretty doubtful of the 'we will live for 1000 years'
18:54 < yashgaroth> no I'm hopeful
18:54 < AdrianG> we wont live for 1000 years chillax
18:54 < yashgaroth> but with the current funding and regulatory system, it won't be us living that long
18:54 < AdrianG> its not the regulatory system
18:54 < AdrianG> we dont have the sciecne.
18:54 < kanzure> i don't think you should assume a company will be the one to develop longevity-related technologies
18:54 < kanzure> AdrianG: that's not entirely true.. we do have the science
18:55 < AdrianG> no we dont
18:55 < kanzure> haha
18:55 < yashgaroth> the regulatory system is absurdly overzealous against possible harm
18:55 < AdrianG> we are barely scratching the surface
18:55 < AdrianG> for fucks sakes, we dont even know what most of trace amines do
18:55 < AdrianG> and you are saying we know how to reverse aging of the brain
18:55 < kanzure> are you saying this because you think my knowledge of longevity research is insufficient?
18:55 < AdrianG> its not your knowledge.
18:55 < kanzure> "reverse aging" isn't really the same as longevity
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18:56 < AdrianG> it is close enough.
18:56 < kanzure> not really
18:56 < roksprok> yashgaroth: aren't places like russia and china less strict?
18:56 < kanzure> two different things there
18:56 < yashgaroth> they are, but their science is shit
18:56 < AdrianG> we will not be able to improve longevity of the nervous system to 1000 years.
18:56 < kanzure> roksprok: there are many countries where you can just be left alone
18:56 < AdrianG> #1) we dont know how to treat alzheimers/parkinsons
18:56 < kanzure> AdrianG: there's stopping aging, and reversing aging, and other important factors
18:56 < kanzure> who cares about alzheimer's/parkinsons..
18:56 < AdrianG> kanzure: cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons
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18:56 < AdrianG> that's the roadblock for any longevity strategy
18:57 < kanzure> not really, there are other issues at play
18:57 < AdrianG> yes, there are many others, those are jsut the most obviou sones
18:57 < kanzure> i agree that diseases are terrible and need to be fixed
18:57 < AdrianG> given enough time, everyone will get cancers
18:57 < AdrianG> and parkinsons
18:57 < AdrianG> not sure about alzheimers, probably that as well
18:57 < kanzure> are you a researcher?
18:58 < AdrianG> wat
18:58 < kanzure> read everything here a few times http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ before you shit all over me
18:58 < kanzure> damn
18:58 < AdrianG> ok?
18:58 < kanzure> you think this is all made up ?
18:58 < AdrianG> you are just overly optimistic.
18:58 < AdrianG> thats all.
18:59 < AdrianG> it will happen, with time
18:59 < kanzure> and you'll die to lethargy
18:59 < AdrianG> i dont think we have enough understanding yet
18:59 < kanzure> i think you don't have enough understanding
18:59 < kanzure> i suspect.
18:59 < roksprok> so kanzure does that mean that you agree with yashgaroth that it is a policy/regulation/'its really hard to commercialize stuff' problem?
18:59 < AdrianG> idk why are you think that ad hominems change anything
19:00 < kanzure> haha wait, you're already giving me an ad hominem man
19:00 < AdrianG> and what is that?
19:00 < AdrianG> a bunch of studies?
19:00 < diginet> senescense is not a problem you "fix" just by some miralce drug
19:00 < kanzure> roksprok: longevity?
19:00 < kanzure> diginet: nobody said it was
19:00 < diginet> well, AdrianG seems to be seriously underestimating the difficulty
19:00 < roksprok> kanzure: longevity/effective treatments
19:00 < AdrianG> i underestimate the difficulty?
19:01 < yashgaroth> it's not just that, the science is lacking as well roksprok
19:01 < AdrianG> so its much worse than i think?
19:01 < kanzure> roksprok: you can't get funding for longevity in general; but there are engineering projects that you can complete that would be very useful
19:01 < kanzure> AdrianG: diginet is just overly opinionated and a technophobe
19:02 < diginet> I'm not a technophobe, I'm skeptical of hype and handwaving
19:02 < kanzure> AdrianG: but yes, it's a bunch of research that you should consider and experimentally test
19:02 < kanzure> AdrianG: you shouldn't just assume it doesn't exist
19:02 < kanzure> nobody is promising you magic, just that "under these conditions, hey look, you have stem cell niche renewal hooray"
19:02 < AdrianG> kanzure: i am well of aware the research.
19:03 < kanzure> roksprok: in the case of diseases, i'd say patents are a huge and costly hurdle
19:04 < kanzure> (plus FDA approval on top of that)
19:04 < diginet> I guess I don't see how one solves the biological senescense of cells, considering the only way that has ever happened is by them becoming cancerous, not to mention mechanical degradation
19:05 < AdrianG> kanzure: what is the chance of us, AdrianG and kanzure, surviving to 1000 years old, at the present time?
19:05 < kanzure> diginet: most cells in your body die
19:05 < kanzure> diginet: this is normal and to be expected
19:05 < diginet> I'm aware of that
19:05 < kanzure> AdrianG: chance based on what ??
19:05 < AdrianG> kanzure: current pace of research
19:05 < kanzure> diginet: ok. so the actual senesence of those cells doesn't really matter
19:05 < kanzure> AdrianG: you could do some maths on a tool i helped develop... http://theuncertainfuture.com/
19:05 < diginet> sure, but the ones which don't die and get replaced are kind of important
19:05 < kanzure> it will show you probabilistic answers to your questions
19:06 < kanzure> diginet: do you remember aubrey's plan? "replace all your bone marrow every 10 years"
19:06 < roksprok> yashgaroth: is it an enabling technologies problem (like faster quicker gene synthesis and sequencing and higher resolution imaging and protein folding predication) or a 'we need to characterize these 20000 proteins better'
19:06 < kanzure> roksprok: there are tons of technologies that can help with individual research projects
19:06 < yashgaroth> protein folding would solve 90% of biology
19:06 < AdrianG> yashgaroth: its a hard problem to solve
19:07 < diginet> and that's not a problem which can be "solved"
19:07 < yashgaroth> who said it'd be easy
19:07 < diginet> I didn't
19:07 < diginet> err
19:07 < diginet> no one
19:07 < kanzure> i suspect that none of you are qualified to comment since you haven't written any protein folding algorithms
19:07 < diginet> I'm just saying
19:07 < AdrianG> diginet: are you saying it is not solvable in principle?
19:08 < yashgaroth> hey maybe physics will do something useful and figure it out
19:08 < diginet> I don't have to have: protein folding is like the travelling salesmen problem, it can't be solved efficienctly on a turing machine
19:08 < kanzure> yashgaroth: there's some handy machine learning tricks that could be applied, dunno how much that has been mined
19:08 < diginet> I mean, you can use heuristics to get there faster, but there's no silver bullet
19:08 < yashgaroth> I don't care if it's efficient as long as it works
19:08 < kanzure> yeah who cares if it's a silver bullet
19:08 < diginet> I'm talking billion times the age of the universe long
19:09 < kanzure> have you run the algorithms and shown this ?
19:09 < AdrianG> diginet: so need we just need to get quantum computer running
19:09 < kanzure> quantum computing would be nice, but you shouldn't assume its general availability
19:09 < diginet> AdrianG, quantum computers are no more capable than turing machines
19:09 < roksprok> yashgaroth, kanzure: is it naive to think that a 'good enough' system would work in conjunction with just making the protein and seeing what it looks like when it folds?
19:10 < kanzure> roksprok: that's doable with crystallography
19:10 < yashgaroth> sort of
19:10 < kanzure> that's basically how ncbi has all those millions of pics of proteins
19:11 < yashgaroth> crystallization of membrane proteins is a big problem, but that'll be doable in <5 years
19:11 < roksprok> so then why is 'the protein folding problem' still a problem that will solve 90% of biology when it is solved
19:11 < yashgaroth> because you can predict all interactions between proteins, DNA, and their environment
19:11 < kanzure> many of the algorithms and tools aren't widely known, for one..
19:11 < kanzure> "rational protein design" tools for instance..
19:12 < AdrianG> thats a completely different problem from predicting protein folding
19:12 < diginet> not completely
19:12 < kanzure> oh, i guess protein design is different from enzymatic characterization
19:12 < diginet> different, but intimately related
19:12 < roksprok> yashgaroth: isn't that more kinematics? or does protein folding encompass it all
19:12 < diginet> just to be clear
19:12 < roksprok> kanzure: didn't 'rational protein design' kind of lead to a bust?
19:12 < kanzure> roksprok: once you have the final shape of the protein you can compute your standard chemistry simulations on it
19:12 < diginet> there's no solution to the three body problem
19:12 < kanzure> roksprok: what do you mean a bust ?
19:13 < diginet> i.e. modern physics cannot precisely desrcibe the interaction of more than two particles
19:13 < roksprok> as in it didn't lead to many actual drugs that worked?
19:13 < kanzure> roksprok: i don't know what people tried
19:13 < diginet> so when you're talking about things like proteins, consider the difficulty there
19:14 < AdrianG> that would be more of a n-body problem.
19:14 < kanzure> diginet: please provide a ref that protein simulation or rational protein design requires a solution to the three body problem
19:14 < diginet> sure
19:14 < AdrianG> kanzure: thats kind of like asking for a ref that arithmetics requires addition/substraction
19:14 < diginet> you can simulate proteins without solving it, but you can't precisely describe their behavior to arbitrary precision
19:14 < yashgaroth> haha guys there's a reason it would solve most of biology...because it'd be incredibly hard without a giant leap in computation and/or physics
19:14 < kanzure> AdrianG: not really
19:15 < diginet> AdrianG, haha, just ask Betrand Russel for that!
19:15 < kanzure> AdrianG: also, that proof is possible (re: math)
19:15 < diginet> kanzure, no, haven't you read Godel?
19:15 < AdrianG> diginet: i think we should rather ask godel
19:15 < AdrianG> oh here we go
19:15 < kanzure> yes i have redad godel,
19:15 < kanzure> are you a hofstadter brat?
19:15 < kanzure> *read
19:15 < diginet> Godel kind of shit all over the Principia
19:16 < AdrianG> i like this diginet fellow.
19:16 < diginet> AdrianG, well, thank you :)
19:16 < AdrianG> well, godel or no godel, eventually we would be able to work out protein folding.
19:16 < diginet> are you sure?
19:17 < AdrianG> diginet: it was an expression of profound hope.
19:17 < diginet> oh right
19:17 < AdrianG> what makes you think it is not possible?
19:17 < diginet> I'm not saying it isn't
19:18 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you suck for bringing up protein folding
19:18 < diginet> I'm just saying the possibility isn't guaranteed
19:18 < yashgaroth> heh I've been regretting it the past 10 minutes
19:18 < AdrianG> nothing is guaranteed
19:19 < AdrianG> diginet: my bet is that we will be able to treat it eventually
19:19 < diginet> but you know, I think people like us, who live in first world countries forget we haven't even solved the most basic problem of all: producing food without extensive manual labour, or even reliably supplying it to a huge percentage of people
19:19 < AdrianG> but empirically. kind of like we treat everything at first, without fully understanding why it works
19:19 < joshcryer> yashgaroth, I found the statement to be accurate in any event.
19:19 < AdrianG> diginet: that has been solved to an extent
19:19 < diginet> AdrianG, if I had to guess, I'd probably would say we would, it's just people tend to arrogant assume that we will be able to do anything
19:19 < AdrianG> which is why urbanization was made possible
19:19 < diginet> except, what happens when everyone is urbanized
19:20 < diginet> who puts food on our plate?
19:20 < AdrianG> ?
19:20 < kanzure> doom and gloom clan
19:20 < diginet> who farms?
19:20 < AdrianG> diginet: a very small amount of farm labour
19:20 < kanzure> robots.
19:20 < AdrianG> the staple food production requires very little manual labour these days.
19:20 < diginet> how is it doom and gloom to not gloss over very real problems?
19:21 < AdrianG> id worry about things like drought/fertilizers before labour.
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19:21 < AdrianG> robots cant yet summon rain.
19:21 < joshcryer> diginet, you do realize that agriculture is largely automated at this point right?
19:21 < diginet> AdrianG, sure, but not for most people: how do we get auto farmers in the hands of the extremely poor?
19:21 < joshcryer> You don't feed 7+ billion people without automation.
19:21 < AdrianG> diginet: the extremely poor own no land.
19:21 < diginet> well, that's true as well
19:21 < AdrianG> they cant possibly farm.
19:21 < AdrianG> anyway.
19:22 < joshcryer> This is verging on politics for any substantitive discussion, to be honest.
19:22 < AdrianG> also, r u guises aware that a marjorana fermion was possibly detected today?
19:22 < joshcryer> Poor or not, rich or not, developing world or not, we need to take it to the next step with automated vertical lab farming with waste recycling.
19:22 < diginet> I'm just saying, we humans aren't as smart as we tend to think we are, we haven't even solved stupid things
19:23 < diginet> joshcryer, agreed
19:23 < kanzure> joshcryer: diginet tends to politicize things immediately
19:23 < joshcryer> I've worked in canning factories, it's 90% automated.
19:23 < joshcryer> The only part that wasn't was the packaging.
19:23 < kanzure> canning= making cans and putting things into them?
19:23 < joshcryer> Mainly because packages tend to be opened by humans.
19:24 < diginet> politicalizing? how
19:24 < AdrianG> packaging can probably be automated as well
19:24 < joshcryer> kanzure, not necessarily cans but jars too.
19:24 < kanzure> oh man! jars too. jeeze
19:24 < AdrianG> diginet: some stupid things just dont have enough incentive to solve
19:24 < AdrianG> nobody works for nothing
19:24 < diginet> I mean stupid things that affect us
19:24 < kanzure> AdrianG: some people do work for nothing, you are lying to me
19:25 < kanzure> i question your motives
19:25 < AdrianG> an exception to the general rule.
19:25 < diginet> you know the "class" of civilizations people reference when referring to aliens, Class 1 etc
19:25 < joshcryer> diginet, well, I don't want to get into it too much, but basically a comment was made about poor people not having land, and we've seen what happens when land redistribution happens (the specialized farmers are removed and land given to unspecialized people who let the land go to waste, etc, etc). So it's not a question of land, it's a question of technology and knowledge dissemination.
19:25 < joshcryer> But I don't want to talk politics, to be honest.
19:25 < diginet> joshcryer, I'm not saying we necessarily should
19:25 < diginet> sorry that's not what I mean, I didn't mean to imply that
19:26 < joshcryer> AdrianG, you can automate packaging if the end user isn't a human being, imo.
19:26 < diginet> I was just saying, how do we get more automization in countries where subsistence farming is still part of people's livelihood
19:26 < diginet> we aren't even a class 1, we're class 0
19:26 < kanzure> diginet: you put the machines there
19:26 < diginet> and if they break?
19:26 < diginet> it's not that simple
19:26 < kanzure> you are making it more complicated
19:26 < joshcryer> You recycle them if they break.
19:26 < AdrianG> diginet: why are concerned about that in the first place
19:27 < kanzure> diginet: machine maintenance is a solved problem, in general
19:27 < kanzure> (or replacements)
19:27 < diginet> then why is it that we can't even buy cars that aren't expected to break down within 10 years or so?
19:27 < kanzure> you can- you probably just buy terrible vehicles
19:28 < diginet> ? people have the expectation cars will have problems, moreso for expensive cars (people don't buy ferraris because they never go into the shop)
19:28 < joshcryer> Wait.
19:28 < joshcryer> Do you realize how freaking ridiculous cars are?
19:29 < joshcryer> They undergo hundreds millions of cycles!
19:29 < roksprok> people still drive model t's around
19:29 < diginet> Sure, but saying that machine maitenence is a "solved" problem is patently wrong
19:29 < joshcryer> Cars lasting 10 years and going so far as to circle the planet a dozen times is crazy.
19:30 < AdrianG> diginet: plenty of cars last 10 years with only minor repairs
19:30 < katsmeow-afk> my truck has 218k miles, the car has 185k miles, neither smoke, the car gets over 30mpg, and it's a turbo
19:32 < kanzure> machine maintenance is solved- you have highly skilled labor that can repair cars
19:32 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: yes but how old ?
19:33 < katsmeow-afk> truck is 1998, car is 1989
19:33 < kanzure> nice
19:33 < kanzure> you don't drive much?
19:33 < katsmeow-afk> so the car is 23 yrs old
19:33 < katsmeow-afk> 185,000 miles, nope, i don't drive much
19:33 < joshcryer> 15k a year is pretty decent on that truck.
19:34 < joshcryer> 40 something miles a day.
19:34 < kanzure> joshcryer: afaik, tractors drive even less
19:35 < kanzure> for wheat harvesting you just cover the surface area a few hundred times over each year
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19:37 < katsmeow-afk> the other car had over 100k miles also, i don't remember how many
19:37 < katsmeow-afk> 1979
19:38 < katsmeow-afk> still ran well, but was a unibody type, and whre the suspension connected to the body, the body rusted away
19:41 < kanzure> http://www.sintef.no/Projectweb/Geometry-Toolkits/Downloads/
19:41 < kanzure> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~hling/research/paper/intersection.htm
19:41 < kanzure> fenn: what about sisl?
19:43 < AdrianG> Efficient (that is, polynomial-time) quantum algorithms have been developed for simulating both Bosonic and Fermionic systems[30] and in particular, the simulation of chemical reactions beyond the capabilities of current classical supercomputers requires only a few hundred qubits.[31]
19:44 < AdrianG> kanzure: tractors also experience enormous loads, your truck and car probably never have
19:44 < AdrianG> off-road driving is also very hard on the machinery
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19:56 < diginet> People love to talk about Moore's Law, but there's an actual law that people forget about, that is much more relevant: Amdahl's Law
20:04 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd_qndyw104
20:04 < joshcryer> ^- 50 year old tractor
20:05 < joshcryer> better video with mrpete (YouTube machinist, fascinating videos, he rocks): http://youtu.be/9qWzSCHjuWM
20:06 < ParahSailin> coke bottles
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21:55 < kanzure> hi louipc
21:55 < louipc> hey hey
21:55 < louipc> what's up?
21:56 < kanzure> i'm debugging https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/commit/2588ff6255542bcaf8f20a6cafa3e9943cd0d292
21:56 < louipc> what's that do?
21:57 < louipc> oh pokemon hehe
21:57 < kanzure> it disassembles an old game into compiling asm
21:57 < louipc> you seem to have a lot of interests
21:57 < louipc> why asm?
21:57 < kanzure> because source code!
21:57 < louipc> hmmm
21:57 < louipc> you know I was thinking the other day
21:58 < kanzure> https://bitbucket.org/kanzure/pokered/raw/b57b31748bfc/main.asm
21:59 < louipc> i bet advanced civilizations won't need to worry about compatibility between OSs
21:59 < kanzure> they will just have an emulation layer?
21:59 < louipc> programs will automatically decompile, recompile and fit the host
21:59 < kanzure> emulation sounds easier
22:00 < louipc> computers will be intelligent enough to automatically port the code
22:00 < louipc> well, emulation exists now
22:00 < louipc> but it's another layer, and it's not integrated into the host OS very nicely
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22:04 < louipc> kanzure: know of any do it yourselfer nuclear reactor builders?
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22:05 < Cat4D> its very simple
22:06 < Cat4D> but you must eradicate the american problem
22:06 < diginet> louipc, I do
22:06 < diginet> look up David Hahn
22:06 < louipc> the way they police it?
22:06 < diginet> aka "The Nuclear Boyscout"
22:06 < diginet> turned out well for him
22:06 < louipc> I'm not interested in light water, or weaponisation/proliferation
22:07 < louipc> just the good side of nuclear :P
22:07 < diginet> diy nuclear reactor is just asking for trouble
22:07 < diginet> I'm definitely not anti-nuclear
22:07 < diginet> but
22:07 < louipc> you're right
22:07 < diginet> apart from the whole safety issue, it's also a good way to end up a in federal prison
22:08 < diginet> actually you know what could be fun, but also more safe?
22:08 < diginet> (I was thinking of doing this myself)
22:08 < louipc> let's hear it
22:09 < diginet> Get some sort of radioisotope, like tritium, and mix it with a phosphor like zinc sulfide (can be made yourself), then use a PV cell to harvest the energy, voila, atomic battery!
22:09 < diginet> ovviously, efficiency is going to be low, zinc sulfide is a bad scintillator
22:10 < diginet> but, it's definitely doable
22:10 < louipc> good for the cloudy days I guess?
22:10 < diginet> haha, yep!
22:10 < diginet> they actually sell tritium keychains for that very purpose
22:10 < diginet> illegal in US IIRC, but there are sources
22:10 < louipc> intresting
22:11 < diginet> I was looking for a good isotope for this very purpose, but never got around to it
22:12 < louipc> it'll be interesting to see what the indians and chinese can do with thorium though
22:12 < diginet> you want something which is a pure beta emitter, like tritium
22:12 < diginet> yeah, Thorium is very promising
22:12 < kanzure> uh
22:12 < kanzure> diginet, stop trolling him :P
22:13 < diginet> how am I trolling him?
22:13 < kanzure> louipc: there's a few others in here more experienced with diy reactors than i am
22:13 < louipc> he's sending the feds after me :D
22:13 < kanzure> diginet: i think you're lying, and you haven't built a reactor or understand the nuiances of that community
22:13 < louipc> hahah
22:13 < diginet> when did I ever say I had built a reactor?
22:13 < kanzure> louipc: nope, we're friends with the feds in here
22:13 < delinquentme> mini theories :D
22:13 < diginet> and what community?
22:13 < kanzure> diginet: you said it's asking for trouble, like you were offering experience
22:14 < kanzure> diginet: the home reactor community
22:14 < diginet> . . .
22:14 < diginet> home reactor community? god no
22:14 < louipc> kanzure: well.... he is quite correct there isn't he?
22:14 < diginet> it's asking for trouble because a) neutron radiation and b) highly illegal
22:14 < kanzure> louipc: have you built one?
22:14 < louipc> newp
22:14 < kanzure> diginet: actually, no, it's not highly illegal....
22:14 < louipc> but there must be regulations
22:14 < louipc> and I hope so
22:14 < kanzure> let's see what articles i can pull up
22:14 < kanzure> http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-06/deuterium-diy-man-builds-homemade-nuclear-fusion-reactor-brooklyn
22:15 < delinquentme> OOC if you're building a reactor ( and doing it correctly )
22:15 < diginet> fusion?
22:15 < louipc> I hope my neighbour isn't irradiating the hell out of me
22:15 < kanzure> with apologies for linking to popsci
22:15 < diginet> I thought we were talking about fission
22:15 < diginet> of yeah
22:15 < kanzure> http://hackaday.com/2011/08/06/the-diy-nuclear-reactor/
22:15 < diginet> fusion is legal
22:15 < delinquentme> arent you going to be putting of substantially more power than a single home would need in a lifetime?
22:15 < louipc> fission
22:15 < diginet> boring, but legal
22:15 < kanzure> oh, fission
22:15 < diginet> yeah
22:15 < diginet> sorry
22:15 < kanzure> hmmm fission.
22:15 < kanzure> let me think
22:15 < diginet> dunno why I assumed fission
22:15 < delinquentme> PS elon musks twitter background it the mangetic suspended taurus :D
22:15 < delinquentme> whatcha think 'bout kanzure ?
22:16 < kanzure> just trying to remember the right person's name
22:16 < diginet> fusion does have neutron radiation, but I doubt it would be concern at the levels most fusors operate at
22:16 < delinquentme> wheres my tyson degrasse meme
22:16 < diginet> kanzure, DavidH Hahn?
22:16 < delinquentme> the thorium reactor guy?
22:16 < louipc> fusion... hasn't been made to produce positive output has it?
22:16 < kanzure> http://boingboing.net/2011/08/04/man-busted-for-diy-fission-experiments.html
22:16 < diginet> louipc, no
22:16 < louipc> rite
22:16 < delinquentme> ohhhh
22:16 < diginet> if anyone says otherwise, they're a crank
22:16 < louipc> heheheh
22:17 < delinquentme> His suspicions were confirmed when police arrested him
22:17 < louipc> other than the sun
22:17 < diginet> yeah
22:17 < louipc> and it's cousin stars
22:17 < louipc> :P
22:17 < diginet> I KNOW LETS BUILD A STAR
22:17 < delinquentme> well cold fusion claims sure
22:17 < diginet> seems legit
22:17 < louipc> YA MAN
22:17 < delinquentme> diginet, thats in effect what we're doing no  :D
22:17 < delinquentme> national ignition facility
22:17 < delinquentme> whewt
22:18  * delinquentme thinking out loud
22:18 < diginet> I read the coolest short story when I was little, I could never find it, it was in some science fiction anthology, and this kid bought a kid to "grow your own star" and it turned into a black hole
22:18 < delinquentme> sometimes I feel like I've lost that fear
22:18 < delinquentme> im too comfy
22:18 < delinquentme> needs more .. panic attacks
22:18 < delinquentme> remind me of that abyss you know?
22:18 < diginet> *kit, not kid
22:18 < diginet> delinquentme, I have no idea what you're talking about?
22:19 < delinquentme> diginet, panic attacks got me started on this living longer thing
22:19 < delinquentme> havn't had one in a while
22:19 < diginet> that doesn't sound healthy
22:19 < delinquentme> like years and years
22:19 < kanzure> i think living longer is important regardless of whether or not you have panic attacks?
22:19 < delinquentme> panic attacks hahah
22:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, true
22:19  * superkuh is slowly putting together a copy of de Soto's ultramicro dense plasma focus.
22:19 < delinquentme> but the ....
22:20 < delinquentme> encompassing fear to run from it
22:20 < delinquentme> isnt there
22:20 < diginet> considering I take medication for panic attacks (among other things) I can't imagine why someone would ever /want/ one
22:20 < kanzure> a copy of his what?
22:20 < superkuh> Next month I'll order most of the parts from mcmastercar.
22:20 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/library/Physics/Dense%20Plasma%20Focus/Nanofocus_%20an%20ultra-miniature%20dense%20pinch%20plasma%20focus%20device%20with%20submillimetric%20anode%20operating%20at%200.1%20J_%20PSST_Nanofocus_L_Soto_et_al_2009.pdf
22:20 < kanzure> a focusing instrument?
22:20 < delinquentme> its there but not at the cold sweat and instant presence of mind kind of way
22:20 < kanzure> clicking
22:20 < superkuh> kanzure, no, a type of magnetic pinch for thermonuclear fusion.
22:20 < superkuh> Electrical discharge in moderate vacuum between coaxial cylindrical electrodes.
22:20 < kanzure> oh that looks fun
22:20 < delinquentme> sounds sexy
22:20 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/small-dense-plasma-focus.jpg
22:21 < diginet> I don't get the generalization of the word "sexy"
22:21 < superkuh> That sketch is using part sizes taken from McMastercar and the caps I have sitting around my apartment.
22:21 < diginet> sex is about the last thing I think of when I think of fusion
22:21 < kanzure> is that a person's shoe?
22:21 < superkuh> For scale.
22:21 < kanzure> what about scale bars
22:21 < kanzure> not that i'm complaining
22:23 < kanzure> their device generated .1J?
22:23 < superkuh> No. That is the input energy.
22:23 < superkuh> Very small. Easily controlled.
22:24 < kanzure> for maintaining plasma?
22:24 < superkuh> It is a pulsed device.
22:24 < diginet> superkuh is going to kill us all
22:24 < diginet> . . .with /awesomeness!/
22:24 < superkuh> I only hope to operate it with a noble gas an use the soft xrays in combination with pinholes to play.
22:25 < louipc> the shoe's a nice touch
22:37 < louipc> you guys heard about this? http://techshop.ws/
22:37 < kanzure> yes
22:38 < kanzure> louipc: their equipment tends to be chronically over-scheduled
22:38 < kanzure> er.. i mean. there's long waitlists.
22:38 < louipc> oh I see
22:38 < louipc> I heard they're opening more locations though
22:39 < kanzure> are you aware of hackerspaces?
22:39 < louipc> yeah
22:42 < louipc> kanzure: know any that are licensed for nuclear reasarch?
22:42 < louipc> hmm spelled that wrong
22:44 < diginet> ahha, they could frame it on a wall, just like restaurants frame their licenses
22:44 < louipc> heheh
22:45 < louipc> kanzure: sorry, yeah there's a hackerspace near me, the only thing I know they have of marginal interest is a laser cutter
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23:13 < kanzure> louipc: sounds sorta lame
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23:53 < delinquentme> NIGHT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:53 < delinquentme> <3
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23:55 < diginet> off topic, but I think I found the greatest place on the internet
23:55 < diginet> by which I mean, the worst
23:59 < joshcryer> Please share it.
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