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00:00 < yashgaroth> no the sequence of the glycine-rich segments is the most important part
00:01 < diginet> hmm, I suppose you're right
00:01 < yashgaroth> additionally, you can't ligate proteins end-to-end like that, not reliably or even unreliably
00:02 < diginet> well darn
00:03  * ParahSailin was trying to tell you that
00:03 < diginet> ParahSailin, but to be fair, when you were telling me that I was talking about synthesizing peptides in a specific order, why couldn't I do it then?
00:05 < yashgaroth> do what
00:05 < diginet> native chemical ligation
00:12 < yashgaroth> I guess if you had custom amino acids you used to synthesize the subunits, you could get something vaguely similar
00:12 < yashgaroth> but if you're altering the structure every 10 residues, it'll lose some of the properties you're trying to keep
00:13 < yashgaroth> not to mention that there's no way a protein that already gets made naturally will be easier to make synthetically
00:15 < diginet> considering we can't farm spiders, isn't that a moot point?
00:15 < diginet> or do you mean, via cellular expression?
00:15 < yashgaroth> ya insect cells or something
00:16 < yashgaroth> also I still think spider ranching is viable
00:17 < diginet> that's a /lot/ of work though, ranching that is
00:17 < yashgaroth> man you have no idea how involved, expensive and time consuming your alternatives are
00:18 < Mokbortolan_> just cut them in half and give them electronic heads
00:18 < yashgaroth> bro if we just get them high they'll totally work together, if they feel like working
00:19 < Mokbortolan_> make sure they don't unionize
00:19 < yashgaroth> those communal spider colonies must have at least a kilo of silk, I mean you saw the pictures right?
00:19 < diginet> having those around the house sounds horrifying :/
00:20 < diginet> it just seems like there's no reason why abiotic peptide synthesis shouldn't be possible, at least theoretically, at the same efficiency as in cells
00:20 < yashgaroth> ha
00:21 < yashgaroth> nature has had billions of years to optimize, we're lucky science is even as far as it is now
00:21 < diginet> I'm not saying it would be easy of course
00:22 < yashgaroth> well developing the entire basis to make that realistic will be...let me run the numbers...a squillion times harder than spider ranching
00:23 < diginet> haha
00:24 < diginet> I guess artificial synthesis (and by extention, automation) is a much more, I suppose you could say, "elegant" solution, in my mind's eye
00:25 < yashgaroth> I wish it were
00:26 < diginet> I'm sorry for pestering you with all my inane questions, yashgaroth. but thank you for being so kind and accomodating
00:27 < yashgaroth> sure np
00:28 < yashgaroth> believe me I hate spiders as much as anyone, in fact I just squished one on the wall next to me a second ago, but ranching is by far the preferable option
00:28 < Mokbortolan_> I have a pet spider
00:28 < diginet> I don't hate them, I just don't think me and the spiders would make good roommates :p
00:28 < Mokbortolan_> I found it underneath a hidden staircase in my house, it's gotta be 3 years old
00:28 < Mokbortolan_> huge
00:29 < Mokbortolan_> so the kids catch flies and feed it, it's awesome
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00:29 < yashgaroth> it's totally not biding its time until it escapes
00:29 < Mokbortolan_> it's the kind that makes lots of cobwebs
00:29 < Mokbortolan_> it's happy, I'm sure it was lonely down there
00:29 < Mokbortolan_> horrible place, if you're a bug
00:29 < Mokbortolan_> bug skeletons everywhere, a lurking monster
00:30 < diginet> yashgaroth, ranching is the most realistic option, it's just I have kind of eccentric ideas of what is an aesthetically ideal solution, if you get me
00:30 < yashgaroth> oh totally, but if you like that get into physics or something
00:30 < Mokbortolan_> ranching spiders is like herding cats
00:30 < yashgaroth> ok whew /clear got rid of all the spider talk
00:30 < yashgaroth> dmanit
00:31 < yashgaroth> but there are well-documented communal spiders
00:31 < diginet> yashgaroth, funny story, physics is my first love :P
00:31 < yashgaroth> not surprising
00:31 < yashgaroth> even if you just send expeditions to go harvest wild communal spiders, it'll be far more cost-effective than anything synthetic
00:31 < Mokbortolan_> no really, he had sex with his textbook
00:32 < diginet> what?
00:32 < yashgaroth> the pages are so smooth and glossy...mmmmmm
00:32 < diginet> I'm confused
00:32 < yashgaroth> heh
00:32 < Mokbortolan_> indeed
00:33 < diginet> Mokbortolan_, how did we get from physics to, well, that
00:33 < Mokbortolan_> besides, there's so much more to gain by studying spiders' biomechanics
00:33 < Mokbortolan_> it was a humorous interpretation of your statement that physics was your first love
00:33 < yashgaroth> or just fill a room with PVC tree structures, throw a bunch of those spiders and some feed insects in
00:33 < Mokbortolan_> well, what can you do with the spun silk?
00:33 < Mokbortolan_> pull it all down and comb it out?
00:34 < diginet> weave into fabric
00:34 < diginet> then use that for stuff
00:34 < yashgaroth> dissolve it and reconstitute, as he'd have to do anyway with any synthetic or cell-culture approach
00:35 < Mokbortolan_> I still think cyber-spiders are more feasible, but I'm probably biased.
00:35 < yashgaroth> the badass coefficient would be much higher than that of the alternatives
00:37 < diginet> hmm
00:37 < diginet> so get a bunch of communal spiders, put them in an enclosure with a grid of sorts to encourage web spinning, harvest the web, dissolve it, respin it
00:38 < Mokbortolan_> that's so boring
00:38 < yashgaroth> but you get to wear a cowboy hat
00:40 < Mokbortolan_> cowboy hats are overrated
00:40 < yashgaroth> robot cowboy hat?
00:41 < diginet> so apparently the species that spun that gigantic communal web in east texas was primarily Tetragnatha guatemalensis
00:41 < Mokbortolan_> I woulder if you could glue a bunch of headless spiders to a food tube, then somehow manipulate their bodies to constantly spin a certain type of fiber
00:42 < diginet>  that sounds cruel
00:42 < Mokbortolan_> yeah
00:42 < Mokbortolan_> is that any more cruel than any sort of factory farming though?
00:42 < yashgaroth> oh god their jaws are horrifying
00:43 < Mokbortolan_> it'd be like the matrix, except the robots replaced the heads of the humans
00:43 < diginet> not really, I wasn't going to kill them or anything
00:43 < yashgaroth> gonna be hard to collect the webs without killing 'em
00:44 < Mokbortolan_> raising something means you doom it to death by life
00:44 < Mokbortolan_> whether it dies of old age, or just plumb wears out
00:44 < Mokbortolan_> besides, bugs lose their heads all the time and keep going
00:44 < Mokbortolan_> though I think with spiders there are some issues related to hydraulics involved
00:45 < diginet> yashgaroth, anaesthetize them with CO2?
00:45 < Mokbortolan_> and then shake the "tree" real hard?
00:46 < diginet> yeah
00:47 < yashgaroth> you figure it out, I'm fine with killing them
00:48 < diginet> what about spider silk analogs with peptoids?
00:48 < Mokbortolan_> spider locomotion is awesome
00:50 < yashgaroth> what did I tell you about delving into more esoteric options
00:51 < diginet> okay okay you're right
00:52 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120106113037.htm
00:53 < Mokbortolan_> Hybrid Silkworms Spin Stronger Spider Silk
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00:53 < diginet> silkworms aren't exactly "easy" to cultivate, considering you need a ton of mulberry
00:57 < Mokbortolan_> easier than spiders
00:58 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wbmEjTvszI
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01:43 < strangewarp> Dremeling wood always ends up imprecise; I ought to have just found someone with a laser-cutter and made an enclosure from scratch..
01:43 < strangewarp> Oh well, it's a DIY musical instrument, it won't matter too much if one part of the enclosure is slightly lumpy
01:43 < strangewarp> (Fulfilling my duty, padding the edges of hardball conversations with softball musings. Yay!)
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03:16 < Thorbinator> apparently the mind can adapt to new frequencies added to the visual cortex?
03:16 < Thorbinator> http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/snhk4/could_it_ever_be_possible_to_invent_a_bionic_eye/
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06:04 < nmz787> i'm looking for a spectroscopy IRC channel
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07:56 < _F7_> Mokbortolan, you in?
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09:01 < kanzure> hmm
09:01 < _F7_> mmh
09:02 < DrOctothorpe> mhm
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09:29 < Mokbortolan_> mmm-hmm.
09:29 < Mokbortolan_> No sir, I don't like it.
09:30 < AdrianG> http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2012/04/20/buckyball_longevity_theres_a_problem.php
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09:44 < kanzure> "I have the Mindflex toy."
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09:44 < kanzure> "It's debatable whether it does anything.  Because yes when you put it on it powers up and the ball goes up sometimes and down sometimes, but IMHO even among people who think they're "good" at controlling it, the correlation of direction doesn't seem to be any different than random chance."
09:44 < kanzure> "Then we attached it to a damp kitchen sponge and it recognized it, powered up, and again started drifting the ball up and down.  It wouldn't make sense for this to be EMI, the motion up and down was fairly long-period stuff for EMI."
09:44 < kanzure> "If it were susceptible to this noise on a sponge, it'd get the same noise on someone's head anyway."
09:45 < kanzure> "My theory is they had this neat idea which worked in theory, but had inflexible deadlines and the thing wasn't working, not for everyone. "
09:45 < kanzure> "So push came to shove and they said "whatever, people will believe whatever they WANT to believe.  Make it move up and down at random, no one will know the difference, just make it only start going once it's been put on someone's head so it doesn't look too fake"."
09:53 < Mokbortolan_> sounds good
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10:32 < AdrianG> kanzure: is there any reliable study on myopia reversal?
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10:54 < kanzure> AdrianG: i don't know
10:56 < Cat4D> http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer
10:59 < kanzure> aquarius reef base photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/aquariusreefbasepermalink/with/5939247862/
11:00 < kanzure> "extra air" http://www.flickr.com/photos/aquariusreefbase/6041129949/in/photostream
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11:32 < ParahSailin> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047272700000773 hax this?
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11:37 < Cat4D> http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer
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12:55 < diginet> kanzure, do you have any info on genetic modification of plants to grow faster?
12:56 < kanzure> not off-hand
12:56 < diginet> ahh okay
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13:27 < kanzure> http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982&tabgroupid=icb.tabgroup143448
13:27 < kanzure> "Major Periodical Subscriptions Cannot Be Sustained"
13:27 < kanzure> "Harvard’s annual cost for journals from these providers now approaches $3.75M. In 2010, the comparable amount accounted for more than 20% of all periodical subscription costs and just under 10% of all collection costs for everything the Library acquires."
13:28 < kanzure> "Some journals cost as much as $40,000 per year, others in the tens of thousands. Prices for online content from two providers have increased by about 145% over the past six years, which far exceeds not only the consumer price index, but also the higher education and the library price indices."
13:28 < kanzure> "Even though scholarly output continues to grow and publishing can be expensive, profit margins of 35% and more suggest that the prices we must pay do not solely result from an increasing supply of new articles."
13:28 < kanzure> 35% profit margins.. hehehe
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13:44 < nmz7871> yo
13:44 < nmz7871> how do i change my name back to nmz787?
13:44 < diginet> 35%? are you kidding me? I highly doubt it takes the larger part of $40k to put a bunch of PDFs online
13:49 < kanzure> nmz7871: /nick nmz787
13:49 < kanzure> diginet: to be fair, some journals convert submissions to latex and do formatting, illustrations, etc. but most don't.
13:50 < kanzure> it's interesting that the journals might cost $40,000 for a subscription, but the per paper cost is $35/each.. of course, each of those $35 copies have a restrictive license, but whatevs
13:50 < diginet> kanzure, I suppose, but how is it that I can get a 24-month subscription to Nat'l Geographic for like $100 or so, and they actually write the articles?
13:50 < kanzure> national geographic is not an academic resource
13:50 < diginet> I know
13:50 < kanzure> national geographic doesn't negotiate with libraries
13:50 < diginet> but the point is, the publishers don't produce anything
13:50 < diginet> err
13:50 < kanzure> in fact, most journals don't.. it's the aggregators like elsevier
13:50 < diginet> write any of the articles
13:51 < kanzure> yes, but they still charge you anyway
13:51 < diginet> yeah, but in most cases it seems like do nothing more than charge money to make the paper change hands
13:52 < kanzure> yes
13:52 < diginet> the comparison to Nat'l Geographic was because they're not just aggregating stuff they didn't write and then selling it, they're producing their own, original content
13:53 < diginet> I know it's not the same, all I'm saying is its not like Elsevier is employing scientists to write their articles
13:56  * AlonzoTG just got fired again. =(
13:57 < ThomasEgi_> AlonzoTG, at what job?
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14:07 < nmz7871> kanzure: how can i syndicate my onenNote sessions to the web?
14:07 < kanzure> i don't actually use onenote
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14:08 < nmz787> thought you might have seen something
14:08 < nmz787> i guess i could run a cron job to scrape the dropbox dir
14:08 < nmz787> and copy it to a web directory
14:09 < kanzure> er.. dropbox should auto-sync to your folder
14:09 < kanzure> you can just run a web server locally and set the directory to be the same as the dropbox dir
14:09 < nmz787> if i can have oneNote save as pdf automatically
14:13 < kanzure> nmz787: i think we're gonna go with both bluray and the laser tube
14:13 < kanzure> and also a photolithography setup because why not / we should do it anyway
14:14 < kanzure> bluray approach looks cheap, so its cost doesn't matter if it doesn't work
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14:15 < nmz787> blu-ray is a good first step
14:15 < nmz787> i would say send fenn some goggles and a new 12X bluray burner
14:16 < nmz787> i will be out there around the 7th-10th through the 17-20th
14:16 < nmz787> so we have some time to work
14:16 < nmz787> june
14:17 < kanzure> er why so early
14:17 < nmz787> to work
14:17 < nmz787> i'm planning on roadtripping from ~1st
14:17 < nmz787> unless you don't want to get together
14:18 < kanzure> *shrug* works for me
14:18 < nmz787> i mean, its the only time we /know/ for sure that i'm gonna be out there in the future
14:18 < kanzure> then let's play to have stuff ordered and shipped before then
14:18 < nmz787> that sounds good
14:18 < nmz787> i think the CO2 route is gonna be a hard option
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14:19 < nmz787> i asked my buddy about combining blue beams, he said the quality of the beam is gonna go down, i.e. phase differences and interference and different modes all mixed togethre
14:19 < nmz787> together
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14:20 < nmz787> but when i said, we're doing vector cutting though, so if the beam drags along, it might be fine for our purposes
14:20 < nmz787> (he came from laser lab where the amount of spatial filters they were dealing with were the size of like a footbal field
14:21 < nmz787> because they had so much power at the end, if they didn't parallelize the physical optics, it would have burned the pinholes (spatial filter) when passing through
14:21 < nmz787> )
14:22 < nmz787> so he said it might be fine, but he didn't really know about beam combiners, and to talk to another guy in town.
14:22 < nmz787> but i remember Cat4D was talking about combining beams too
14:22 < nmz787> Cat4D: do you have lazer pics?
14:23 < nmz787> kanzure: ever use http://www.evernote.com/
14:23 < nmz787> ?
14:23 < kanzure> a loong time ago. it has its uses..
14:24 < Cat4D> live.irib.ir
14:24 < Cat4D> lazer pics... umm dr evil or holograms?
14:25 < kanzure> the laser system you built.
14:25 < Cat4D> beam consolidation is either, prism, directional mirror, or alignment
14:26 < Cat4D> which alignment is easiest if you have a milled cone or sphere
14:26 < nmz787> can you help us pick optics?
14:26 < Cat4D> or even a pyramid
14:26  * Cat4D just makes
14:26 < Cat4D> you are still trying to blast channels in plastic?
14:27 < nmz787> kanzure: apparently wineHQ gives oneNote 2010 Bronze rating -- pic http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php?iAppId=2911&iVersionId=23632
14:27 < nmz787> Cat4D: silicone, using a few 1W 405nm diodes
14:27 < nmz787> ebay has emm new
14:27 < Cat4D> ya, 4-5 typical 1w would be fine
14:27 < nmz787> 70-100$
14:27 < Cat4D> typical pri.. ya
14:27 < Cat4D> though mw+mw=
14:27 < Cat4D> which bands?
14:28 < Cat4D> remember your coherence and interference issues
14:28 < nmz787> how can we sync them? by turn on time?
14:28 < Cat4D> www.osiris-project.eu/uploads/presentations/lcos_laser_projector_sideurodisplay09.pdf
14:29 < Cat4D> polarity, and for yours, its likely not relevant
14:29 < Cat4D> might be beneficial, zap all directions
14:29 < Cat4D> have you seen any high speed mems/etc bean directors?
14:30 < Cat4D> I need a new scanner assy, would like to be able to do rgb channels at wqxga off a video card as pixels (plus analogue vectoring)
14:30 < nmz787> ya
14:30 < nmz787> pico projector
14:30 < nmz787> http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/texas-instruments-dlp-technologies/688
14:31 < Cat4D> the only pico similar is the microvision, but its limited
14:31 < nmz787> 2400hz if pre-programmed patterns
14:31 < Cat4D> a beam steering rig used to be common toy
14:31 < nmz787> they have that too
14:31 < nmz787> talp
14:32 < Cat4D> its likely that 2500*1600*60hz is too fast for larger mems
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14:32 < Cat4D> but i just want 4 entry gates, a consolidator prism, and a steering mirror, synced to dvi/hdmi/whatever
14:32 < nmz787> http://www.ti.com/product/talp1000b
14:33 < nmz787> g2g, bbl
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14:34 < Cat4D> vga for pico, and 300 bux without controller is ... kinda high
14:35 < Cat4D> tnx will review
14:35 < kanzure> do you have something cheaper?
14:41 < Cat4D> ?
14:41 < Cat4D> for what?
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14:47 < Cat4D> kan you're using a micro stage, right?
14:47 < Cat4D> pi.com style?
14:50 < Cat4D> nmz TI calls them DMD
14:59 < Cat4D> ohstfu http://www.ti.com/analog/docs/memsmidlevel.tsp?sectionId=622&tabId=2447
14:59 < Cat4D> patent racket
15:02 < diginet> could someone here get an article for me?
15:03 < diginet> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0168945286901196 [-]
15:06 < Cat4D> if it wasnt for this mess, everyone would have a solar powerd and lighted handheld projector at max resolution
15:06  * Cat4D tells iran that the americans are preventing the display of information, shuts down usdoc.gov
15:07 < diginet> nevermind, I got it
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15:22 < kanzure> Cat4D: no we're not necessarily using DMD
15:22 < Cat4D> you have a stage already
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15:26 < Cat4D> ?
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15:51 < kanzure> hi yashgaroth
15:51 < yashgaroth> ey you hear anything from joe jackson re: me?
15:52 < kanzure> haven't talked with him
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15:52 < kanzure> he's very friendly, you should email him ad ask
15:52 < kanzure> *and
15:52 < yashgaroth> blergh okay then
15:56 < kanzure> *shrug*
15:57 < kanzure> or i could send it
15:57 < yashgaroth> you think it'd be easier if I offer to pay for hotel etc? if that's what the quota is about
15:57 < kanzure> haha don't offer that just yet
15:57 < kanzure> also, don't pay for a hotel in sf.. you can find someone to hang out with
15:58 < yashgaroth> I've got an aunt/uncle in berkeley but that's quite far
15:58 < kanzure> nah, there's going to be lots of locals attending
15:58 < yashgaroth> one day I will learn your ways of frugality
15:59 < kanzure> just always be asking yourself... "i'm cheap, but am i being cheap enough?"
15:59 < yashgaroth> I'm jewish isn't that enough
15:59 < kanzure> probably
15:59 < yashgaroth> k I'll shoot him an email
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17:18 < katsmeow-afk> https://www.weylandindustries.com/site/david
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18:10 < Jora> hi there!
18:10 < kanzure> hello.
18:18 < nmz787> hi
18:18 < kanzure> hi.
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19:18 < Cat4D> THIS IS THE END OF MICROSOFT!!!!! http://datak.ir/search?search_keyword=host
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19:21 <@kanzure> da hell was that
19:21 < JayDugger> A desperate cry for help.
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19:27 < Cat4D> http://www.syriatel.sy/Sitemap/Home/tabid/38/Language/en-US/Default.aspx?req=chrome%20rendered%20this%20wrong,%20as%20did%20msie%20and%20firefox...%20bye%20bye%20obama
19:29 <@kanzure> can you post those links somewhere else?
19:30 < joshcryer> that looks like spam
19:31 <@kanzure> it is spam
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19:32 < delinquentme_> HIO :D <3
19:32 < joshcryer> IRC spamming, haven't seen that in ages
19:32 < delinquentme_> >=|
19:33 < joshcryer> Not you delinquentme_! :(
19:33 < joshcryer> Should edit his link out of the logs.
19:34 < Jora> hi delinquentme_
19:34 < delinquentme_> heya Jora
19:37 <@kanzure> gah why didn't javascript tell me where my syntax error was :(
19:37 < Jora> hows it going?
19:37 <@kanzure> that's not fair
19:38 < diginet> wait
19:38 < diginet> how did Cat4D become a spambot?
19:38 <@kanzure> he's a 9/11 nut
19:38 <@kanzure> (apparently)
19:39 < delinquentme_> do we have anyone who does circuit design?
19:39 <@kanzure> yes we do
19:39 < delinquentme_> designers *8 hahah
19:40 < delinquentme_> http://www.instructables.com/id/Perfboard-Hackduino-Arduino-compatible-circuit/  << this thing looks simple
19:40 < delinquentme_> might be a decent project
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19:43 < nmz787> aww, i guess cat4d won't be helping with a beam combiner :P
19:44 < ParahSailin> http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=52680 hm not bad
19:45 < nmz787> kanzure: bid on that shiz
19:46 < JayDugger> http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=52529
19:46 < ParahSailin> no kanzure i call that
19:46 < delinquentme_> are we the only open source laser cutter channel on IRC :D?
19:47  * ParahSailin will take greyhound to austin and drive it back uhaul if necessary
19:48 < delinquentme_> ( large format laser cutters )
19:49 < JayDugger> Hmmm...those projectors go for $750 new.
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19:50 <@kanzure> nmz787: looking
19:51 <@kanzure> an incubator?
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19:51 < JayDugger> ParahSailin, will SlapSale notify registered users of new auctions?
19:52 < ParahSailin> dunno
19:52 < ParahSailin> kanzure, you have a truck?
19:52 < JayDugger> Did you find the incubator by browsing their website?
19:52 <@kanzure> i have trucks available
19:52 <@kanzure> also this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/the-embezzler.jpg
19:54 < nmz787> kanzure: ParahSailin: whoever gets it, it should be one of us, for <$100 def, <$200 still good but getting to the area of... i'm not sure when we'd use it (but i think it would still be a very good value to get at a good price)
19:54 < nmz787> unless of course it jumps to $500-1000
19:54 <@kanzure> why is this a good incubator
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19:55 < ParahSailin> you dont have to worry about me not snapping it up if it stays at good price
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19:55 <@kanzure> i'd be happy to buy if you tell me why
19:56 < JayDugger> There exists another incubator on SlapSale. http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=51909
19:56 <@kanzure> are good incubators expensive?
19:56 < ParahSailin> i want it for my lab
19:56 < delinquentme_> needs the shit out of some fab equipment
19:56 < ParahSailin> thats a co2 incubator
19:56 < delinquentme_> http://vimeo.com/35907501
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19:56 < JayDugger> If you say so. My knowledge of the tool fills a thimble.
19:58 <@kanzure> brownies: you should complain about phdcomics in here
19:58 < nmz787> kanzure: yeah a good incubator, in good condition, can run $700-1000, depending on size, i'm not sure how price scales
19:58 < nmz787> but yeah they have water jackets sometimes to distribute heat evenly and CO2 inlets, maybe valves and controller/sensor for doing mammalian cells (use the CO2 as a pH modifier)
19:59 < brownies> complain?
19:59 < brownies> i'm still at the part where this is shockingly similar to my own life http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1496
19:59 < nmz787> plus for $<100 is pretty cheap for any well engineered lab tool
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19:59 <@kanzure> has anyone splurged for the phdcomics movie?
20:00 <@kanzure> and/or seen a review
20:00 < JayDugger> No, sorry.
20:02 < nmz787> thanks to IRC, i am happy with a working phone!
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20:02 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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20:05 <@kanzure> boop so i guess i should go figure out how to bid
20:06 < nmz787> hah, i dont wanna start a bidding war between you and ParahSailin... he found it, lol, and if he needs it, it will prob go to use faster in his hands
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20:09 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: let me know if you'd like me to pick it up
20:16 < delinquentme_> nmz787, have you talked with any of the people working on lasersaur?
20:16 < delinquentme_> they've got a pretty large CO2 laser
20:16 < delinquentme_> and they're in the process of finishing it up
20:18 < nmz787> nah
20:18 < nmz787> i think its pretty settled that we shouldn't use CO2 due to the diffraction limit and expense of optics
20:19 <@kanzure> expense of optics was <$1k, it's fine..
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20:22 < nmz787> its really the diffraction limit though getting the small spot
20:24 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: let me know if you'd like me to pick it up
20:25 < ParahSailin> sure, if i need you to help me out i can bank some of your fibroblasts or something
20:25 < ParahSailin> ill see how auction goes
20:30 < b_nicotina> Buena suerte
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20:35 < Jora> what projects are you all working on
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20:42 <@kanzure> Jora: GLOBAL WORLD DOMINATION
20:45 < ParahSailin> i think the journal people are on to /r/scholar
20:47 <@kanzure> why do you say that
20:48 < ParahSailin> one guy said "in your inbox" in thread, but messaged me a filehosting link with a 0 byte file
20:48 <@kanzure> he might just be a moron
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20:57 < superkuh> It is too bad that that personal messages have taken over for public link posting in r/scholar.
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20:58 < Jora> do any of you have a goal of getting into neural engineering as a pipe dream?
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20:59 <@kanzure> Jora: no, not as a pipe dream.. just as established fact
20:59 <@kanzure> superkuh: yes.. i wonder how we can prevent that. maybe a bot that posts after each "IT'S IN YOUR INBOX BRO" message with an explanation about why they are evil?
20:59 < Jora> kanzure, you studying neuro?
20:59 <@kanzure> Jora: yes a bit
20:59 < Jora> Good for you :)
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21:12 <@kanzure> some helpful python deployment links: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3879926
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21:33 < klafka1> how do i check what class an instance belongs to in ruby?
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21:42 < delinquentme_> klafka, you can do Object.class
21:42 < delinquentme_> or Object.type
21:42 < delinquentme_> also Obect.inspect
21:42 < delinquentme_> Object.inspect
21:42 < klafka1> also how do you remove the last element from an array in ruby, foo.pop does not work like i thought
21:43 < delinquentme_> foo.delete
21:43 <@kanzure> you might mean foo.shift
21:43 < delinquentme_> foo.chop
21:44 < delinquentme_> delete_at
21:44 < klafka1> chop doen't exist
21:45 < delinquentme_> a = [1,3,4,5]
21:45 < delinquentme_> a.delete_at(-1)  #=>  a = [1,3,4]
21:47 < delinquentme_> more! more!
21:47 <@kanzure> you suck at ruby
21:47 < klafka1> oh i see
21:47 < delinquentme_> i love how wildly inexpensive commodity electronics are
21:48 < delinquentme_> kanzure, thats a horrible thing to say!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:48 < delinquentme_> klafka, just tell them the dude they turned down helped
21:48 < delinquentme_> :D
21:48 < klafka1> delinquentme they didn't turn you down because you couldn't code
21:48 <@kanzure> eh?
21:49 < delinquentme_> this is true this is true
21:49 <@kanzure> did delinquentme_ forget to fart properly at the end of his interview
21:49 < Jora> farting always gets you the job
21:49 <@kanzure> you have to play it right
21:49 < delinquentme_> " Pay me for a few weeks .. you know im overqualified! Itll work out for a little while then Ill find a better job later and leave you in a year .. but till be fun in the time between!
21:50 < delinquentme_> hah
21:50 < Jora> the one thing you don't want to forget to do when you get the job is eat your toelint in the spirit of richard stallman
21:50  * delinquentme_ picks at belly button lint
21:50 <@kanzure> don't be hating on stallman
21:50 < Jora> im not
21:50 < Jora> the toelint is a frequently cited joke in another room i frequent
21:51 <@kanzure> it's usually used as a personal attack against him
21:51 < Jora> i dont have anything personal against that guy
21:51 < delinquentme_> its beautiful http://www.flickr.com/photos/stfnix/5713025807/in/photostream/lightbox/
21:51 < delinquentme_> its simple
21:52 < Jora> i was just thinking of gross stuff you could do on a job once the fart gets you the interview
21:52 < delinquentme_> and effective
21:52 < delinquentme_> kanzure, in 2 years
21:52 < delinquentme_> CHEERS
21:52 < delinquentme_> to having all the toys we could possibly need for devious fabs
21:52 < Jora> cool device
21:52 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: i'm pretty sure we already have all the tools we need
21:52 < Jora> are you also an offline group of people that meets and tinkers?
21:53 <@kanzure> sort of.
21:53 < klafka1> meh
21:53 < delinquentme_> almost
21:53 <@kanzure> klafka1: i'm going to be in sf in june, btw
21:53 < delinquentme_> working on it
21:53 <@kanzure> klafka1: don't let me miss you
21:53 < klafka1> nice
21:53 < klafka1> o
21:53 < klafka1> k
21:53 <@kanzure> for the diybio/fbi thing
21:53 < klafka1> NOT TO BE MISSED
21:53 < klafka1> me
21:53 <@kanzure> i may or may not be escorted by federal agents
21:53 < klafka1> hmm interesting
21:53 < delinquentme_> yeah how do you get the gov to buy you shit
21:56 < klafka1> kanzure so i've immediately ran into one of those 4hr algorithms
21:56 < klafka1> fyi
21:56 <@kanzure> hmm
21:56 <@kanzure> solution: delete all your data
21:56 < klafka1> actually this is just approximately 4hrs for oen small section of our data
21:56 < klafka1> it's also not multithreaded atm
21:56 <@kanzure> i'd be interested in seeing implementations of your stochastic gradient descent thing
21:57 < klafka1> sure
21:58 < klafka1> this implementation i think sucks though
21:59 < klafka1> i'm looking at what's taking CPU and i'm thrashing redis
21:59 < klafka1> what would a C thread running from ruby look like in my processes ?
22:00 <@kanzure> do you mean starting a subprocess?
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22:00 <@kanzure> you could compile a shared object, and include that into your ruby project
22:00 <@kanzure> then you can call your method from ruby
22:00 < klafka1> not really sure. i'm looking at their stuff it seems like they have some compiled .c libs
22:00 < klafka1> i'm trying to assess what that process would be called
22:00 <@kanzure> this is similar to importing a .so library in python or .dll if you're on windows
22:00 < klafka1> yep
22:05 < delinquentme_> kanzure, should I voluntarily contact this FBI dude
22:05 < delinquentme_> or would you care to dish and help me out
22:05 < delinquentme_> ?
22:05 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: on what topic?
22:05 < delinquentme_> the free shit summit
22:05 < delinquentme_> food flight fun
22:06 <@kanzure> where do you currently live?
22:06 < delinquentme_> pittsburgh
22:07 < Jora> free shit summit?
22:07 < Jora> is there a link to a website about it ?
22:07 < delinquentme_> gov handouds
22:07 < delinquentme_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stfnix/5509388763/sizes/l/in/photostream/
22:07 < delinquentme_> gcode tools!
22:08 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: ok. i'll send out an email and see if they have pitt represented
22:08 < delinquentme_> cool
22:08 < delinquentme_> thanks a million
22:09 <@kanzure> sent..
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22:12 < ybit> superkuh, kanzure: rather a bot, that says "i want that too"
22:12  * ybit sleeps
22:13 < superkuh> I've been sending the requesters pm's asking for them to pass it forward.
22:14 <@kanzure> yeah sounds like the job for a bot
22:14 <@kanzure> https://github.com/AndreasDamgaardPedersen/Reddit-Bots
22:15 <@kanzure> eh that's a horrible implementation
22:15 <@kanzure> https://code.google.com/p/bf-bot/
22:15 <@kanzure> java :(
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22:23 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: ok he replied
22:23 <@kanzure> they are flying in 40 people max
22:23 < delinquentme_> yeh I shot him an email back
22:23 < delinquentme_> whatever works out
22:24 < delinquentme_> FBI & google are buddied up right?
22:24 <@kanzure> i don't see it
22:24 < delinquentme_> anyone know how deep that relationship is?
22:24 < delinquentme_> oh I must not have replied all
22:25 < delinquentme_> standard affair:  Thanks for the heads up on the head counts.  I'm certainly boot strapped for cash at this time so thats a huge constraint.  However its good to know that you guys are down in the trenches working with us.
22:25 <@kanzure> haha
22:25 <@kanzure> joseph is not fbi
22:25 <@kanzure> he's from biocurious and runs open science summit
22:25 < delinquentme_> oh
22:26 < delinquentme_> derrrr
22:26 < delinquentme_> oh well nm then
22:26 < delinquentme_> ill stay home its cool :D
22:26 < delinquentme_> OHHH its f
22:26 < delinquentme_> hahah ok ok yeahhh we've met
22:27 < delinquentme_> alright im out all
22:27 < delinquentme_> tooduls
22:28 < katsmeow-afk> wow, Tony Pearson has recommended me to a NewScientist writer for an article about homebrew Ai/bots
22:29 <@kanzure> which bots aren't homebrew
22:29 < katsmeow-afk> Tony Pearson did the memory/storage array system for IBM's Watson as appeared on Jeopardy
22:29 <@kanzure> hmm well just remember, if the reporter asks "are you a genius?" just smile
22:30 < katsmeow-afk> right
22:30 < delinquentme_> katsmeow-afk, thats awesome !
22:30 < delinquentme_> grats :D
22:30 < yashgaroth> smile maniacally*
22:30 < delinquentme_> but yeah i gotta go :D
22:30 < delinquentme_> yash hows the cat in the comp !?
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22:30 < yashgaroth> it's...oh
22:31 < yashgaroth> so kanz if I pay my own travel and hotel you think they'd let me in anyway?
22:31 < yashgaroth> joejack hasn't gotten back to me and it's been 6 hours
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22:32 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: yes, his latest email indicates as such
22:32 <@kanzure> you are okay to send him a follow-up now saying that you can pay
22:32 <@kanzure> *can pay your way
22:32 < yashgaroth> yeah I think I will, cuz seriously when else will everyone be in one place
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22:34 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: also, he's holding a hackathon thing for two days after the event
22:34 <@kanzure> so you should stick around for that
22:34 < yashgaroth> at the least, but if I can get into the conference it would be nice
22:34 < yashgaroth> don't exactly want to crash an FBI-sponsored event, they might get all weird
22:35 < katsmeow-afk> it would highlite your abilities ;-)
22:36 < yashgaroth> then I'll do my presentation on how america is satan, should get me off the hook
22:36 < katsmeow-afk> dedication to the message!
22:37 < yashgaroth> *great* satan though, not just your run of the mill lucifer
22:38  * kanzure sleepz
22:53 < nmz787> nighty nighty
22:53 < Mokbortolan_> is hemopure safe?
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22:56 < yashgaroth> if you're about to die from blood loss, sure
23:07 < Mokbortolan_> doesn't appear to be wonderfully safe, after investigation
23:08 < Mokbortolan_> maybe if they put it inside nanospheres
23:08 < Mokbortolan_> donut shaped ones :p
23:12 < yashgaroth> maybe
23:13 < Mariu> has any of you guys ever noticed the Entoptic Field ?
23:14 < yashgaroth> yes
23:14 < Mariu> you have ?
23:14 < yashgaroth> (after look up the term)
23:14 < yashgaroth> sure, white blood cells and floaty bits in the eye
23:15 < Mariu> nope, it's not that
23:15 < Mariu> those are just mere floaters
23:15 < nmz787> i've always been able to see floaters, as long as i can remember
23:15 < Mariu> it's not floaters guys
23:15 < Mariu> it's some sort of movements converging on your focal point
23:15 < yashgaroth> well there's the white blood cells also, like when you stand up too fast
23:15 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8V4K_GX4Co
23:15 < Mokbortolan_> Yeah!
23:15 < Mokbortolan_> that's where it's at
23:15 < yashgaroth> tiny spheres shooting around your vision?
23:16 < Mariu> not tiny
23:16 < Mokbortolan_> unborn baby blood
23:16 < yashgaroth> well small
23:16 < yashgaroth> or just paying people to give blood like they did back in the day
23:16 < yashgaroth> "are you a junkie?" "no" "ok give us some blood"
23:17 < Mariu> yashgaroth: The Entoptic Field is some sort of shapes that they ecmopass all of your of your vision field, like some ovoid waves ... and converg in the same reoccurence movement pattern on your focal point
23:17 < Mariu> they usually get noticed after you do excercise, or walk outside and look at the sky
23:17 < Mariu> they usually get noticed after you do excercise and walk outside and look at the sky
23:18 < Mariu> floaters are totally different thing
23:18 < yashgaroth> uh I think that's still cells in your capillaries
23:18 < yashgaroth> not floaters
23:18 < Mariu> ah, okay
23:18 < yashgaroth> red blood cells are ignored by your neurons, but white blood cells still appear
23:19 < Mokbortolan_> the current blood donor program is a great way to spread novel pathogens
23:19 < yashgaroth> that's just them flowing through the capillaries above your retina, because evolution is dumb and put blood capillaries in front of the retina
23:19 < yashgaroth> it's easy to test for blood pathogens, unless they're prions
23:19 < Mokbortolan_> or weird in some other way
23:19 < yashgaroth> ehh if they're savvy enough to avoid detection, they deserve a go
23:21 < Mariu> yashgaroth: well, they are not tiny spheres as you described them ... rather then greyw wave like ovoidic shaped that have the same movement speed and direct and pattern, and converge on your focal point
23:21 < Mariu> that's what I see
23:21 < Mariu> *direction
23:21 < Mariu> *grey
23:21 < yashgaroth> they'll seem like they converge on your focal point, since the eye only really detect stuff in the center of vision
23:21 < Mariu> gotcha
23:22 < yashgaroth> and they can be ovoid since they're flexible
23:22 < nmz787> i def notice my vision pulse, especially when i make rash traffic decisions that get my adrenaline up a bit
23:22 < Mariu> for example, this year I discovered that if look at a bird, you could compare what I see with targeting sits zeroing in on a target (the bird that I was looking in my case)
23:23 < Mariu> *sights
23:23 < yashgaroth> yeah the eye has a lot of tricks to make you think it's actually seeing more than it does
23:24 < Mariu> got it
23:24 < nmz787> i always liked pressing my eyes when i was young
23:24 < Mariu> same here :p
23:25 < nmz787> it hurt a bit, but always looked like the starfield screensaver
23:25 < Mariu> ^^
23:25 < nmz787> cooler, then with some streaks of color eventually
23:25 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene
23:28 < nmz787> this seems a little weak http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030326470800035X
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23:30 < nmz787> maybe not, http://www.scribd.com/doc/90942005/1-s2-0-S030326470800035X-main
23:31 < nmz787> i dunno, can't read now, too tired
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