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http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/bioeconomy_fact_sheet_april_26_2012_0.pdf 08:12 -!- Guest92397 is now known as katsmeow-afk 08:13 -!- katsmeow-afk is now known as Guest50146 08:15 <@kanzure> gee that summary is really lacking 08:15 <@kanzure> "ok guys do more SBIR" 08:17 -!- Guest50146 [~someone@75-120-1-168.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 08:18 -!- katsmeow [~someone@unaffiliated/katsmeow] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 <@kanzure> eh okay, "and an improved FDA medical device pipeline" might be useful 08:21 <@kanzure> http://www.labautopedia.com/mw/index.php/Main_Page 08:21 <@kanzure> looks like a lab automation wiki? 08:21 < nmz787__> Hi, getting ready for class, cant really talk 08:21 <@kanzure> looks spammed: 08:21 <@kanzure> http://www.labautopedia.com/mw/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=3000&limit=500&hideminor=0 08:22 <@kanzure> someone should hook up mediawiki to akismet and the other anti-spam services 08:27 -!- nmz787 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that trip later" 09:35 < ParahSailin> lol 09:37 < ParahSailin> brb 09:39 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 -!- Mikoangelo [~Mikael@78.157.118.97] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 <@kanzure> hi Mikoangelo 10:05 < Mikoangelo> Why hello there! Nice to meet you. 10:06 < Mikoangelo> You're the heybryan.org guy! I found this channel on that very site. 10:08 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.186.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 < ENKI-][> >.< 10:10 < nmz787> ParahSailin: nice price! 10:14 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:21 < ParahSailin> _F7_, http://www.slapsale.com/item_desc.aspx?itemid=52680 i nabbed this guy 10:22 < _F7_> Sweet! 10:22 < _F7_> I have two you know 10:22 < ParahSailin> oh kanzure looks like the pickup days have to be may 2 or 3 10:22 < ParahSailin> ah, you got on slapsale? 10:23 < ParahSailin> so these usually are fully functional but sold out of compliance with some arbitrary date? 10:24 < _F7_> Exactly 10:25 < _F7_> These generally don't break 10:26 < _F7_> no moving parts 10:27 < ParahSailin> how much did you nab yours for 10:32 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 <@kanzure> huh google is selling sketchup 10:33 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:33 <@kanzure> http://sketchupdate.blogspot.com/2012/04/new-home-for-sketchup.html 10:42 -!- juul_ [~juul@171.66.166.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- juul_ [~juul@171.66.166.25] has quit [Client Quit] 10:52 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:53 < _F7_> I got two of those water jacketed CO2 gas injection capable incubators with humidity controls for the 30 dollar minimum bid 10:54 < _F7_> one lot, matched set 10:54 < _F7_> There was another lot with two pairs of double-stack incubators but it was decided we didn't have room 10:55 < _Sketch_> Ack. Can I still get Sketchup for free? 10:56 < _F7_> Should be able to 10:57 < _F7_> yup, free 10:59 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@129.21.146.255] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:03 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:07 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:11 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:57a0:e6de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:57a0:e6de] has quit [Changing host] 11:12 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.255.56.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:19 -!- Cat4D_ [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:30 -!- Cat4D_ [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:48 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- _sol_ [Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:7155:2409:574a:b919] has quit [Quit: jmil] 11:55 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEAS078.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@129.21.146.255] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@129.21.146.255] has quit [Client Quit] 12:11 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:44 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEAS078.wlan.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 13:15 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-18-64.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-18-64.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:44 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.186.63] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56 < _Sketch_> I downloaded Sketchup, for I am paranoid for the future. ;) 13:58 < _Sketch_> Anybody ever ordered anything from enOcean? I'm looking for environmentally-powered wireless sensors. 14:00 < _Sketch_> I'm worried nothing -useful- can be powered by stray radio signals and heat. :P 14:00 < katsmeow-afk> there's other forms of energy than heat and stray radio signals 14:02 < _Sketch_> Ah, solar too. Solar might be enough, even in the shade.. 14:04 * katsmeow-afk might snag a tuna and drag a windmill behind 14:04 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:04 < _Sketch_> Haha. 14:07 < katsmeow-afk> tuna do some serious traveling at very high speeds 14:07 < katsmeow-afk> if you could only steer them 14:12 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-182-12.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:26 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 <@kanzure> yet another 3d printer http://www.solidoodle.com/ looks like sam cervantes used to be COO of makerbot 14:29 < Mokbortolan_> huh 14:29 < Mokbortolan_> I wonder why he split off 14:29 <@kanzure> zach/bre might not be the easiest duo to work with 14:36 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-182-12.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:45 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.255.56.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:56 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:10 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:21 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:24 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 15:39 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:56 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:56 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 15:58 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:09 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:20 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:24 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_visual_phenomena 16:34 < chris_99> i've had white flashes here on earth ;) 16:35 < ThomasEgi> hm. i occasionally observe like.. swarms of multicolored fireflies. it looks very pretty. doesnt last long tho. only like 3 to 10 seconds at most 16:35 < chris_99> multicolored? 16:35 < ThomasEgi> not related to any rays. still fun 16:35 < ThomasEgi> yeah 16:35 < chris_99> hmm not had that 16:36 < ThomasEgi> like. beeing surrounded by several hunrdet fireflies 16:36 < ThomasEgi> each with its own color 16:36 < chris_99> sounds cool 16:36 < ThomasEgi> have it like twiche a year or so. 16:36 < ThomasEgi> usualy when i was sitting in an odd way and streching my arms afterwards 16:36 < chris_99> i can see the blood vessels in my eye 16:36 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 < ThomasEgi> now that's odd 16:37 < chris_99> which looks kind of trippy heh 16:38 < chris_99> it's called Purkinje tree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entoptic_phenomenon 16:38 < ThomasEgi> ah. anyway. i gotta sleep. had only 3 hours of rest in the last 36 hours or so 16:38 < chris_99> toodles 16:40 < nmz787> so trying to find out about biology and radio 16:40 < nmz787> supposed to write an essay for this history of radio class 16:40 < nmz787> didn't want to write about advertising or old programming 16:41 < nmz787> but most bio stuff isn't relating RF EMI... its a lot with RF electric fields (i.e. electrodes in the growth solution) 16:41 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41 < nmz787> one thing about "biological radio" which is like some cold war russian doc... mentions wavelengths of 8-14 microns 16:42 < nmz787> but that's not RF, its IR 16:42 < nmz787> so telepathy in their view, isn't radio, its IR... which pretty much means line-of-sight and not too long distance 16:42 < nmz787> which is still cool if provable 16:43 <@kanzure> soviet telepathy tech was line-of-sight only? got it. 16:43 < nmz787> they keep mentioning biological antenna structures 16:43 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacinian_corpuscle 16:43 < nmz787> that one is a fav of theirs 16:43 < nmz787> and the pineal gland is brought up as well 16:44 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 < nmz787> which is interesting because the pineal is linked to psychedelic experiences, which often involve communication with other beings whether earthly or universal 16:45 < diginet> you don't actually believe any of that exists do you? 16:46 < nmz787> i don't believe its proven, but i do believe its possible 16:46 <@kanzure> well, i believe the pineal gland exists 16:47 < nmz787> i wouldn't be surprised, only because i could stick a cell phone transceiver in my head and it would fit 16:47 < nmz787> so why wouldn't this already be exploited in evolution 16:47 < nmz787> i think it takes less energy to text than it does speak 16:48 < nmz787> (in terms of transmission) 16:48 <@kanzure> you might want to do the math on that.. the amount of energy required to generate clear signals vs. amount of energy on-hand with typical biochemistry 16:48 < nmz787> RF is just EMI, and we obviously have EMI receptors and emitters (rhodopsin and eyes, luciferase) 16:49 < nmz787> but thats THz, not KHz... which is what I need to talk about to meet the req for this paper 16:50 < nmz787> kanzure: not sure where I would start with that calc 16:50 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:50 < nmz787> but it would be good to have on this paper... I might end up talking about how there isn't any clear link to any decent science 16:50 < katsmeow-afk> didn't someone do a "blood glucose to electricity convertor" already? 16:51 < ParahSailin> an rf photon would be vibrational noise on a protein 16:51 < ParahSailin> there isnt any sort of protein we know of that can accumulate those photons to make a coherent anything 16:51 < katsmeow-afk> shakey protons,, you can tuna protien, but you can't tune a fish 16:52 < katsmeow-afk> arg 16:52 < nmz787> ParahSailin: well thats what i'm looking for 16:52 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:52 < ParahSailin> such a thing would be difficult by natural evolution i think 16:53 < nmz787> i haven't found any clear documentation on what the molecular/atomic effect of RF EMI is 16:53 < nmz787> some things mention thermal and non-thermal effects 16:53 < ParahSailin> but if wires can do it, i suppose it's probably physically possible to do with proteins 16:53 < katsmeow-afk> stupid thought: are you using your sclera for anything, nmz787? 16:53 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: or longer proteins 16:53 < nmz787> sclera? 16:53 < katsmeow-afk> white of the eye 16:53 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:53 < ParahSailin> i think melanins would be good antennae 16:54 < ParahSailin> you can have conductive melanins 16:54 < katsmeow-afk> you have two of them, situated high, nothing behind them for a few cm, you could install things 16:54 < nmz787> ahh 16:54 < nmz787> they might already be used for a bioradio waveguide, lol 16:55 <@kanzure> nmz787: i think the trick would be to construct some model of how it might be possible with proteins, 16:55 < katsmeow-afk> if you're great with small stuff, put the entire reciever and display unit there 16:55 < nmz787> i'm not even sure how you could probe cells for radio signals 16:55 <@kanzure> plus what amount of energies are necessary, 16:55 <@kanzure> then you can go BLAST your way through some petabytes of data 16:55 <@kanzure> and see if anything matches. 16:56 < nmz787> or set up a directed evolution/growth experiment.... scan freq spectrum, and only subculture cells that give off a freq response 16:56 < nmz787> or cells that absorb a certain freq 16:57 < nmz787> place an RF source on top of microwell plate, subculture the well that absorbs best 16:57 < katsmeow-afk> easy: quartz can be made physically resonant based on size, and some nematodes and frogs have silica spicules, and silica is what quartz is made of,, i DO expect royalties,, or at least my own implats, thankyou 16:58 < nmz787> the examples in this russian thing are kinda out there tho, one is of a guy who calmed a lion that no trainer could calm 16:58 < katsmeow-afk> some sqponges do too, and i imagine you guys can make genes to do that in anything 16:59 < nmz787> and in another example they cut the head off a grasshopper, took out its guts and soaked it in physiological buffer, and noted that anytime a man left the guts and returned, the guts would be found to slowly pulse but quicken after the man approached and remained near 17:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00 < katsmeow-afk> triggered by pheremones, i'll bet 17:00 < nmz787> and that if the man went away from the quickly pulsing guts, upon return they would be slowly pulsing again 17:00 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 < nmz787> lol, they say its triggered by bio-radiation... hah 17:01 < nmz787> but that would literally just be any EMI created by nerves firing 17:01 < nmz787> but it doesn't mention possible frequencies or wavelenghts 17:03 < katsmeow-afk> so using tuned quartz resonators (the genetically grown silica spicules) to recieve and convert rf to means of physically operating nerve cells,, bad idea? 17:04 < nmz787> i guess depends on the crystal size needed 17:04 < nmz787> thats why i;m trying to look to what evolution may have already done 17:04 < katsmeow-afk> that depends on the mechanical movement needed and the rf frequency 17:04 < nmz787> i.e. yeah silica crystals and proteins that deposit silica are known 17:05 < nmz787> i.e. silicatein 17:05 < katsmeow-afk> ok 17:06 < katsmeow-afk> i believe somene did a crystal-to-rotary nanomotor somewhere 17:06 < katsmeow-afk> not that you'd want to copy that directly as a means to detect rf 17:08 < nmz787> i wonder how much the crystal changes in size when it vibrates 17:09 < katsmeow-afk> depends on a few things, intensity, thinness (flexability) of the crystal, etc 17:10 < nmz787> nanometers of movement or more? 17:10 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 <@kanzure> http://netmorph.org/ 17:11 < katsmeow-afk> for instance, crystal phono carts took a lot of movement, so do piezo tweeters, and iirc you can see the waveforms imposed on a SAW filter as it mechanically transmits a low freq rf signal on it's face 17:11 <@kanzure> "NETMORPH is a simulation environment for the developmental generation of 3D large-scale neuronal networks with realistic neuron morphologies. In NETMORPH, neuronal morphogenesis is simulated from the perspective of the individual growth cone." 17:11 <@kanzure> "For each growth cone in a growing axonal or dendritic tree, its actions of elongation, branching and turning are described in a stochastic, phenomenological manner. In this way, neurons with realistic axonal and dendritic morphologies, including neurite curvature, can be generated. Synapses are formed as neurons grow out and axonal and dendritic branches come in close proximity of each other." 17:11 < nmz787> nm would be the region for what a protein would probably tolerate 17:11 <@kanzure> "NETMORPH is the result of the joint efforts of Randal A. Koene, Betty Tijms, Peter van Hees, Frank Postma, Sander de Ridder, Sacha Hoedemaker, Jaap van Pelt and Arjen van Ooyen of the Neuroinformatics Group at the Department of Integrative Neurophysiology, Center for Neurogenomics and Cognitive Research, VU University Amsterdam, Amsterdam, the Netherlands. " 17:11 < katsmeow-afk> for instance, crystal phono carts took a lot of movement, so do piezo tweeters, and iirc you can see the waveforms imposed on a SAW filter as it mechanically transmits a low freq rf signal on it's face 17:11 < katsmeow-afk> arg 17:11 <@kanzure> A Framework for the Stochastic Generation of Large Scale Neuronal Networks With Realistic Neuron Morphologies, Neuroinformatics, 7(3), pp.195-210, doi: 10.1007/s12021-009-9052-3 17:11 <@kanzure> http://www.netmorph.org/documents-1/koene.NETMORPH.Neuroinformatics-7-2009-195-210.pdf?attredirects=0 17:12 <@kanzure> installation: http://www.netmorph.org/netmorph-core-files 17:12 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12 <@kanzure> superkuh: have you played with that? 17:12 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 < nmz787> then there's this, but I don't know what permittivity and conductivity mean http://niremf.ifac.cnr.it/docs/DIELECTRIC/AppendixC.html#C01 17:13 <@kanzure> what i assume is either binary or source code: http://www.netmorph.org/netmorph-core-files/netmorph-20090224.1225.tar.gz?attredirects=0&d=1 17:13 <@kanzure> what i assume is a manual: http://www.netmorph.org/netmorph-core-files/NETMORPH-manual_5Mar09.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1 17:15 <@kanzure> oh neat.. yep. source code and it's GPL 17:16 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 <@kanzure> vid: http://www.netmorph.org/Home/examples/3layers.mov 17:18 <@kanzure> mirror: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/netmorph/ 17:20 < nmz787> this russian text also says that c. ross in the 1920's suspended a single silk thread and attached a coil of think wire hanging from it, there was another metal piece hanging from the end of the thread as well (not sure what it looked like).... and supposedly a man's gaze made the spiral deflect up to 60 degrees 17:20 < nmz787> btw russian text linked from http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0415676 17:21 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22 < katsmeow-afk> heck of a threat to make , turning someone's metal threads that are hanging from threads by 60 degrees 17:22 < nmz787> oh yeah 17:22 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 <@kanzure> and for those of you who prefer youtube.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HapNmklPv0k http://youtube.com/watch?v=GnH_zJ5bDOQ i've mirrored them here too 17:25 < nmz787> this is, again, wrong freq range http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect 17:27 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:29 < nmz787> kanzure: why do you have that video of joe? 17:29 <@kanzure> hahaha he tried to get rid of it from the interwebs 17:29 <@kanzure> he used to have it on his facebook profile 17:29 < nmz787> lol 17:29 < nmz787> god 17:29 <@kanzure> Internet never forgets 17:29 < nmz787> i just watched 1/2 of it 17:30 <@kanzure> lolz.. sorry dude 17:30 < yashgaroth> hahahahaha whaaaat 17:31 < nmz787> thats yashgaroth's goal, only instead of 1hr a day at gym, painful electroinjections 17:31 < yashgaroth> pretty much 17:31 < nmz787> lol 17:31 < nmz787> oh, i'll take this lazy ass way out... even if its 1000X more painful 17:31 < nmz787> lolo 17:31 < nmz787> so hacker 17:31 < nmz787> hah 17:32 < yashgaroth> lifting weights like a primitive, hah 17:33 < nmz787> :P 17:33 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 < yashgaroth> I wouldn't say it'd necessarily be super-painful 17:34 < yashgaroth> less painful than that video was to watch, I'll guarantee that 17:35 < nmz787> seems pretty good 17:35 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@108.96.4.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:42 < fenn> well i wonder if i should go to hardwarestartupsf or do cad 17:43 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43 < fenn> i kinda hate how openscad is completely "functional", i.e. not imperative at all 17:44 < fenn> trying to figure out how to call an if statement on translate() 17:45 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:45 < fenn> it leads to either a lot of duplicated code or unnecessary "variables" 17:46 <@kanzure> i find these scripts questionable 17:46 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/netmorph/Fig.8B_LowerL2-3_Pyr_Markram_6.txt 17:47 <@kanzure> "# DENDRITE PARAMETER DEFINITIONS (from final4.txt)" as opposed to.. finalTHEREALFINAL.txt 17:48 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 < katsmeow-afk> 3D wireframe design gone overboard : http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2012/03/19/3d-wire-sculptures/ 18:01 -!- jenzebubble [jen@173-18-211-34.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 -!- jennicide [jen@173-18-211-34.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:05 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i logged back in and i still can't push to the git repo i just created with 'newrepo' 18:08 <@kanzure> fatal: Unable to create '/srv/git/netmorph.git/refs/heads/master.lock': Permission denied 18:08 <@kanzure> i seem to be able to push over ssh, however.. 18:09 <@kanzure> on a related note.. 18:09 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/netmorph/ 18:11 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/netmorph 18:15 < jrayhawk> Your screen session doesn't magically acquire new gids, i am afraid 18:16 < jrayhawk> Only root can hand those out. 18:16 < jrayhawk> That happens at login time. 18:17 <@kanzure> lame 18:18 < fenn> if piny has docs, seems like that's a relevant thing to add to the docs 18:19 < fenn> ah there are man pages for the individual commands 18:19 < fenn> but no 'man piny' 18:20 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I'm a jerk that way. 18:20 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-139-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-139-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 18:23 < fenn> so much enthusiasm for openscad, but it's really sub-par 18:24 < fenn> i can't figure out how to duplicate the center=true behavior of primitives for modules, because variables aren't really variables 18:24 <@kanzure> openscad is pretty terrible.. all the enthusiasm is the makerbot crowd i think 18:24 < fenn> and translate can't be called except as part of a tree 18:24 <@kanzure> have you considered trying cadmium, pyopenscad, openscadpy or jsopenscad or csg.js? 18:25 < fenn> um 18:25 < fenn> could you summarize those in like 1 line each? 18:25 < fenn> like what's the difference between pyopenscad and openscadpy 18:26 <@kanzure> cadmium: opencascade+python again https://github.com/jayesh3/cadmium 18:26 <@kanzure> openjscad: webgl / openscad-related http://joostn.github.com/OpenJsCad/ 18:26 <@kanzure> "This is intended to become a Javascript based alternative to OpenSCAD, for 3D solid modeling" 18:26 < fenn> cadmium is just pythonocc? wtf 18:26 <@kanzure> pyopenscad: www.thingiverse.com/download:3976 18:27 <@kanzure> openscadpy: https://github.com/hmeyer/openscadpy "OpenSCADPy is a fork of OpenSCAD, a software for creating solid 3D CAD objects. OpenSCADPy uses Python instead of OpenSCADs intrinsic language to model objects" 18:28 <@kanzure> i have also backed up pyopenscad here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/pyopenscad.py blame goes to Philipp Tiefenbacher 18:31 < fenn> pyopenscad.py is woefully incomplete 18:31 <@kanzure> check the other one :P 18:32 < fenn> openscadpy is a totally different beast 18:33 < fenn> pyopenscad.py is a simple wrapper around calling scad commands, whereas openscadpy completely reworks openscad itself to use python as the scripting language 18:33 <@kanzure> correct 18:34 * fenn crawls under a rock 18:34 < fenn> go away, world 18:34 <@kanzure> pyopenscad.py strikes me as being a lot like neil's cad.py thing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/cad.py 18:35 <@kanzure> i mean.. just using simple string manipulation instead of actual programming 18:36 < fenn> yeah it's a weird way to program 18:38 <@kanzure> memory lane: https://bitbucket.org/graphsynth/graphsynth/changesets 18:38 <@kanzure> wait.. why are there only 23 commits 18:44 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:48 <@kanzure> http://jeanphix.me/Ghost.py/ "ghost.py is a webkit web client written in python" 18:49 <@kanzure> hrm.. it's sorta weird. looks like it's meant for behavior-driven stuff, rather than just interacting with some python reference to the webkit instance 18:50 <@kanzure> https://github.com/niklasb/dryscrape/blob/master/examples/google.py that's not quite how i'd choose to do it O.o 18:55 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58 < fenn> foo.set(bar) is very un-pythonic 18:59 <@kanzure> yes but also compare that pile of code to, say, the coffeescript 'framework' (spiderghost) i wrote yesterday 18:59 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59 <@kanzure> https://gist.github.com/25a38b9c5df048dcec4a 18:59 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 <@kanzure> note the methods on class HomePage 18:59 <@kanzure> i guess HomePage is a generically bad example for scraping data from things heh 19:01 < fenn> documentation goes here 19:02 <@kanzure> this is why it's in a pastebin and not a formal thing yet :P 19:02 < fenn> class HomePage extends HackerNewsPage ? 19:02 <@kanzure> correct.. let's say you are scraping amazon 19:03 <@kanzure> amazon has many types of pages that each need to be treated differently 19:03 <@kanzure> but they all have the same base_url and they probably all share some common methods 19:06 <@kanzure> instead of there being some 'main session' you let each page instance have its own little controller 19:11 -!- Jora [~Jora@24-196-83-3.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- Jora [~Jora@24-196-83-3.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:11 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:33 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you should use this http://www.jamescun.com/ycs12/ 19:52 < delinquentme> what is it? 19:52 <@kanzure> ycombinator interview simulator 19:52 <@kanzure> once you can answer all the questions in the alloted time, tell me 19:52 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:53 < delinquentme> you tell me when we can all focus on one project 19:53 < delinquentme> and well beat the shit out of any ycomb interview 19:53 <@kanzure> what? 19:53 <@kanzure> i can't force everyone in here to focus on a single project, that doesn't make sense 19:54 < delinquentme> no 19:54 < delinquentme> like 2-5 people 19:54 <@kanzure> working on what and why? 19:54 < delinquentme> anyone in here half applied 19:54 < delinquentme> even* half aplied 19:55 < delinquentme> 1) idea 2) xxx 3) profit ! 4) live forever 19:55 <@kanzure> that's not helpful 19:55 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you know any laser cutters sympathetic to the cause? 19:55 <@kanzure> anthropomorphic laser cutters? 19:55 < delinquentme> :D 19:56 < delinquentme> yeah kinda but mostly people armed with them 19:56 < delinquentme> i need nothing thicker than 10mm 19:56 <@kanzure> yes i know people with laser cutters 19:56 < delinquentme> discounts? 19:57 <@kanzure> most people charge their laser cutter's time at $1/min + setup fees 19:59 < ybit> my head hurts after going through the simulator 19:59 <@kanzure> which simulator 20:00 < ybit> ycomb 20:00 < ybit> 19:51 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you should use this http://www.jamescun.com/ycs12/ 20:00 <@kanzure> ah i was hoping you compiled https://github.com/kanzure/netmorph 20:05 < fenn> kanzure: plz cp /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-receive /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/hooks/ 20:06 <@kanzure> nope won't work because the gnusha irssi socket is busted 20:06 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: thoughts? 20:06 < fenn> i don't really know how cia works 20:07 <@kanzure> /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-receive is not cia 20:07 <@kanzure> oh i see we commented out the cia part 20:07 < jrayhawk> you can replace that if you want; i was just dicking around 20:08 < fenn> it emails cia.vc? weird 20:08 <@kanzure> err cia.cv also has HTTP POST stuff which i think makes more sense than email 20:08 < jrayhawk> oh, i see, someone already did replace it 20:08 <@kanzure> but anyway, i think the simplest solution would be somehow fixing gnusha's socket 20:09 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:09 <@kanzure> how do i do that :x 20:10 * fenn kicks gnusha 20:10 < fenn> sometimes it works 20:11 < jrayhawk> /load socket-interface.pl will get you most of the way there, but permissions become a bit ugly. I guess I should look at actual CIA. 20:13 < jrayhawk> you would specifically want some sort of gnusha-run daemon or suid library to sanitize input to that socket 20:13 < jrayhawk> which is lame 20:14 <@kanzure> this is dumb. 20:14 < jrayhawk> or i guess socket-interface.pl could be rewritten to preface everything with /say 20:14 < jrayhawk> that's probably easiest. I'll give that a shot. 20:15 <@kanzure> this also looks dumb: http://mueller.panopticdev.com/2011/08/supybot-git-ircbot-plugin-for-git.html 20:15 <@kanzure> it "monitors" git repositories instead of having an interface for git hooks 20:17 <@kanzure> doesn't make sense.. https://github.com/mmueller/supybot-git/blob/master/plugin.py 20:18 < fenn> it's a supybot interface to git, not so much a change notifier 20:19 < fenn> why one would want that, i cannot know 20:20 < gnusha> testing 20:21 < jrayhawk> Okay, skdb.git probably does a thing now 20:22 <@kanzure> i'd like to set it up on diyhpluswiki.git, hplusroadmap.git and enzymaticsynthesis.git 20:22 <@kanzure> although i wouldn't mind doing that on my own 20:22 <@kanzure> this looks like a more useful supybot plugin http://git.silverirc.com/cgit.cgi/gitreport.git/tree/?id=40ae746f3ab737d62c264df0eee00e5241b1c2e1 20:23 < jrayhawk> Yeah, you probably want to shove that post-receive hook somewhere and symlink over to it so you get a consistent style. 20:23 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:23 <@kanzure> is the project-name not hardcoded? 20:23 < jrayhawk> I don't actually see the project name mentioned anywhere. I wonder how best to get that. 20:26 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: GIT_DIR ? 20:26 <@kanzure> possibly: git rev-parse --git-dir 20:27 < jrayhawk> I'm thinking some horrible hack based on $PWD 20:27 < jrayhawk> GIT_DIR isn't necessarily present, git rev-parse --git-dir often returns "."... 20:28 < jrayhawk> I'll throw together a bash regex for that, i guess 20:29 < delinquentme> is id=#someIDname 20:29 < delinquentme> a valid declaration for a div id? 20:30 < delinquentme> i think rails is failing quietly 20:30 <@kanzure> the rails framework itself shouldn't be parsing html 20:30 <@kanzure>
is generally a better idea 20:31 <@kanzure> fenn: soo i am guessing this is the table? http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c0186d4370d49d8725c022cd88a85f614bcacca2 20:31 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@50.15.211.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:35 < fenn> yep, here's what it looks like so far http://fennetic.net/irc/xy_table_unfinished.png 20:35 <@kanzure> nmz787: looksies? 20:36 <@kanzure> hm that's roughly what i imagined 20:36 <@kanzure> i think putting images in the repo is okay 20:37 < fenn> i dont really like this particular repo setup we've got going 20:37 < fenn> first of all, it's not a wiki 20:37 <@kanzure> ikiwiki? http://diyhpl.us/wiki 20:38 < fenn> second, /projects/ is going to overflow with random crap 20:38 < fenn> why not have individual repos for each project? 20:38 <@kanzure> that's perfectly fine 20:38 <@kanzure> *individual repos are fine 20:38 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40 <@kanzure> fenn: you should have sudo rights to do "newrepo" on gnusha 20:40 <@kanzure> sudo newrepo reponame 20:40 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40 < jrayhawk> the sudo is optional; it'll probably also do that for you 20:41 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: 1d977d6 testing from jrayhawk account 20:42 < jrayhawk> oh hello, ikiwiki is kinda broken 20:44 < jrayhawk> oh yeah, i fixed that bug. right. 20:44 <@kanzure> fenn: eventually i will break down and install mediawiki, jrayhawk will go commando and baleet me from the servers, but stee||3giriu will be happy that it's mediawiki or something 20:46 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: aa0338d testing from ikiwiki 20:46 < jrayhawk> huzzah 20:51 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:51 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: b5294ba another test 20:52 < jrayhawk> okay, i am too lazy to work out how to configure irssi to /load socket-interface-strict automatically, but other than that... 20:52 < jrayhawk> hook is in /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive 20:52 < jrayhawk> feel free to symlink it around 20:52 <@kanzure> like dis? ln -s /srv/git/whatever.git/hooks/post-receive /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive 20:53 < jrayhawk> ln -s is conceptually like copy 20:53 < jrayhawk> ln -s /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive /srv/git/whatever.git/hooks/post-receive 20:53 <@kanzure> you have just solved years of struggle and strife with that one analogy 20:54 <@kanzure> what the hell is "TARGET" bleh 20:54 < jrayhawk> 'source' and 'destination' also don't make much sense 20:55 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:57 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: 8113503 of commits 20:57 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: 8113503 of commits 20:57 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: 8113503 of commits 20:57 < jrayhawk> huh, that foreach does not work well 20:58 <@kanzure> ok symlinks made 21:01 * fenn mumbles something about git submodule 21:02 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.255.56.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:03 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: 5854a92 this is 21:03 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: a51c182 a pile 21:03 < gnusha> dumbtest.git: 5c83d41 of commits 21:03 < jrayhawk> ah, typo 21:04 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: when i'm using screen and i can't be bothered to relogin is it safe to do sudo git push? 21:04 < jrayhawk> Yeah. 21:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-23-160-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 < jrayhawk> The objects are immutable, the refs are atomicly modified with linking operations and are thus covered by dir perms. 21:05 < jrayhawk> New object dirs are covered by core.sharedrepository. 21:07 < jrayhawk> and my ridiculously strict permissions model even keeps you safe from hostile users replacing the contents of hooks/ 21:08 <@kanzure> "remote: skipping bad filename experimental/vik's kiwi mendel/beaded-belt_gear.scad" 21:09 < jrayhawk> Yeah, ikiwiki is paranoid about what characters it's willing to deal with. I can add a gnusha.org-wide setting for that... 21:09 <@kanzure> ah it wasn't clear that it was ikiwiki 21:09 <@kanzure> i am possibly okay with that 21:11 < jrayhawk> You can shove $conf->{"wiki_file_chars"} = "-[:alnum:]+/.:_ \'" into /etc/ikiwiki/piny.setup.pl and sudo piny-ikiwiki-mass-rebuild if you ever happen to care 21:11 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11 <@kanzure> thanks 21:11 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:11 < nmz787> kanzure: ever hear of eeg and khz or mhz sampling rates? 21:11 < nmz787> seems most 'brain' waves are in the low hz 21:12 <@kanzure> i've never really been interested in eeg so i haven't looked 21:12 < nmz787> this is still not radio khz http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22094624 21:13 <@kanzure> but.. sampling rate? i doubt it's mhz. there's no way old school eeg devies were doing a million samples a second 21:13 < jrayhawk> I think the default wiki_file_chars is meant to step delicately around people with shitty filesystems 21:13 <@kanzure> i guess they were continuous readout, hmm 21:13 < fenn> millihertz 21:13 <@kanzure> oh he really meant mhz 21:14 <@kanzure> wait, what? 21:15 <@kanzure> Hz = 1/1, MHz = 1000000/1, mHz = .001/1 ? 21:15 <@kanzure> so 1/100th of a sample per second? 21:21 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29 <@kanzure> i've added some repos http://diyhpl.us/cgit/ like open-spectrometer, openpcr, liquidhandler001, parameterized-mendel, oce, etc. 21:29 < klafka> i think i'm going to do the data science hackathon this weekend 21:30 <@kanzure> klafka: there's an fbi/diybio hackathon on june 16th in (probably)sunnyvale that you should meet all of us at 21:31 < klafka> fbi? 21:31 < klafka> wtf 21:31 < fenn> oh look there's my email address 21:31 <@kanzure> klafka: yeah they are flying a lot of us out 21:32 < klafka> wtf 21:32 < klafka> what is the involvement of the fbi w/ the diybio movement? 21:32 <@kanzure> klafka: lastyear's notes: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2011/2011-07-13.txt 21:32 <@kanzure> they are somewhat encouraging and helpful 21:33 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.255.56.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33 <@kanzure> klaka: http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg 21:35 < klafka> ok i'm down 21:35 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:36 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 21:36 <@kanzure> klafka: awesome 21:37 < klafka> just you know remind me later on 21:37 < klafka> i'll make sure to not be out of town though 21:38 < klafka> man hackathons, diybio, starting a chapter of a drug harm reduction my days in sf are fucking packed 21:38 < fenn> sweet, biohazard paintball 21:39 <@kanzure> that used to be their graphic on the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" website ("Biological Countermeasures Unit") 21:39 <@kanzure> they had somewhat toned it down: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/wmd 21:39 <@kanzure> now it's somewhat more peaceful: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/wmd/image/wmd2.jpg-1 21:39 < fenn> yeah those guys look pretty depressed 21:39 < superkuh> Working for evil probably does that. 21:40 < klafka> man 21:40 < fenn> "aw man we used to get submachine guns, now it's just pointy wizard hats" 21:40 < klafka> i wish i had used version control on this code 21:40 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 <@kanzure> fenn: "fuck obama we liked bush" 21:41 <@kanzure> klafka: always use version control 21:41 < Cat4D> http://obsama.com/#snow 21:41 -!- Cat4D was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [Cat4D] 21:42 < klafka> i know 21:42 <@kanzure> superkuh: have you used this? https://github.com/kanzure/netmorph 21:43 < superkuh> No. 21:48 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-18-64.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:59 < superkuh> I can't even get it to compile (yet). 21:59 < yashgaroth> glutton for punishment 21:59 < yashgaroth> oh whoops 22:09 <@kanzure> "Check out xmllint too, ESP the "shell" feature in it (basically a REPL for xpath and other useful XML spelunking.)" 22:09 <@kanzure> well that's neat. 22:10 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:11 < nmz787> no i did not mean millihertz 22:11 <@kanzure> wb 22:11 <@kanzure> i still don't understand the meaning of a millihertz 22:11 < katsmeow-afk> takes a good while to change 22:12 <@kanzure> okay, so just longer cycles/periods 22:12 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, longer than one second 22:12 <@kanzure> that's still hard to understand in some contexts though- e.g. in eeg sampling 22:12 < katsmeow-afk> 1 sec = 1hz, 100mh = 0.1 sec , etc 22:12 <@kanzure> would it mean "take the average of the electrode's reading over a period of time"? 22:13 < katsmeow-afk> not to me, no 22:13 < katsmeow-afk> if you frame it in that context, maybe 22:13 < katsmeow-afk> if you are talking of a portion of a freq spectrum, ok 22:14 < katsmeow-afk> below 1 sec, you might even call it a short or long term dc shift 22:16 < katsmeow-afk> interesting things have low freq oscillatons, light bulbs can make fne 7hz oscillators, and i have seen generators and heavy hvac units try to sync (miserably) and hunt around at 200millihz cycles 22:24 < nmz787> 100MHz would be 10 nanoseconds per sample 22:25 < nmz787> or rather 1 sample every 10 ns 22:25 < katsmeow-afk> yeas 22:25 < nmz787> so ideally your EEG would sample at like 250MHz to make sure you see the waveform nicely 22:26 < katsmeow-afk> and a sun tracker will have a repeat only once per 24hr day 22:26 < katsmeow-afk> holy crap, no way, how fast does your eeg waveform change?? 22:27 < nmz787> no i'm saying to see if there were RF components associated with different thought processes that's what you'd need 22:27 < nmz787> most EEG are less than 1KHz 22:28 < katsmeow-afk> oh, the rf things,, yeas, in which case you'd need to sample at least 2x the top freq, or above Nyquist cutoff 22:32 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12 < gnusha> pokecrystal.git: 226e964 Asm.insert_multiple_with_dependencies 23:12 < gnusha> pokecrystal.git: 1098757 speed up asm insertion 23:12 < gnusha> pokecrystal.git: 34ff5fc checkmonkey -> checkmoney 23:13 < jrayhawk> haha on topic 23:15 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:15 <@kanzure> uh uh 23:15 <@kanzure> i should probably disable that 23:38 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:44 -!- thyla [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:45 <@kanzure> fenn: why not povray? 23:45 <@kanzure> i mean, if openscad is so much trouble to begin with --- Log closed Fri Apr 27 00:00:53 2012