--- Log opened Fri Apr 27 00:00:53 2012
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00:13 <@kanzure> superkuh: it would be helpful if you show the errors or any workarounds
00:13 <@kanzure> i haven't tried yet
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00:42 < superkuh> It works fine. I wasn't following the instructions properly.
00:44 <@kanzure> superkuh: did you have to edit anything? i'd prefer to keep it in the repo for future users
00:45 < superkuh> I didn't have to edit anything.
00:48 < Mokbortolan_> "Welcome to the Jungle" is 25 years old.
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01:07 < lichen> its only that old?
01:07 < lichen> feels way older
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01:11 < Mokbortolan_> Axl Rose is 50.
01:13 < lichen> seriously i was born in 1990, that generation of music feels ancient to me
01:13 < lichen> reminds me of my over-the-hill coworkers
01:14 < Mokbortolan_> young'n
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01:15 < Mokbortolan_> it came out when i was 6
01:33 < lichen> yep
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01:43 < fenn> heh, a raytracer written in pov-ray's scene description language http://www.povray.org/documentation/view/3.6.1/125/
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02:09 < fenn> kanzure: to answer your question about pov, basically it's impossible to get geometry out of pov-ray format
02:09 < fenn> it only generates pretty pictures
02:09 < fenn> sort of depressing, because there's a lot of cool stuff out there
02:10 < fenn> see for example http://www.oyonale.com/3D.php?lang=en
02:11 < fenn> though he seems to have switched to rhino for most of the object modeling
02:16 < fenn> i'm starting to think you were onto something with your solid primitives genetic algorithm idea
02:16 < fenn> r^2 minimization stuffs
02:20 < fenn> The MadPipe macro generates a random pipe structure of a given size. Like in the famous Windows screensaver, the pipe starts at one point and then circulates in its containing box until a certain number of elements is reached.
02:21 < fenn> i guess with enough radiosity anything looks awesome
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02:32 < joshcryer> what are you looking at pov-ray for? boolean renderer / description language?
02:32 < joshcryer> oh solid primitives?
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02:33 < fenn> he is really good at lighting http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=432
02:33 < fenn> joshcryer: mostly just bitching about how openscad was poorly thought out and now we're stuck with it
02:34 < joshcryer> fenn, unbiased rendering is the craze these days, pov-ray is old hat
02:34 < fenn> there's a rule somewhere that you shouldn't invent your own programming language on a whim
02:34 < fenn> unbiased?
02:35 < joshcryer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbiased_rendering
02:36 < fenn> meh
02:36 < joshcryer> (I think that was a sidetrack, sorry)
02:37 < fenn> the main problem with pov-ray as a renderer, it's not multi-threaded
02:38 < fenn> and apparently no plans on "official" version supporting parallel processing of any kind
02:38 < fenn> pov seemed stagnant even 15 years ago
02:40 < joshcryer> imho I think the best route hasn't really been looked at. I mean, is there software that lets you design, for instance, arbitrary screws?
02:41 < fenn> yes, CATIA and the like
02:41 < joshcryer> http://etd.ohiolink.edu/view.cgi?acc_num=akron1237988201
02:42 < fenn> what
02:42 < fenn> i know about pro/e
02:44 < fenn> i wonder why cad programs don't come with this stuff built in
02:44 < joshcryer> I guess I don't get what you're trying to do
02:44 < fenn> "square, ACME, buttress or unified" is not too much to expect
02:45 < fenn> well, modeling screw threads is a bit of a hobby of mine, i guess
02:45 < fenn> it was the example package for skdb
02:45 < fenn> but then it turned out to be really hard to make a proper helix in opencascade
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02:53 < fenn> oh, apparently now they do support multiprocessing in pov ray, but the docs haven't been updated
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04:55  * fenn kicks cia
04:55  * fenn kicks CIA-132 
04:55 < CIA-132> ow
05:01 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e0936fe trucks can overlap with small inter-rail distance.. make truck minimum spacing allow third truck between them
05:01 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9afaac8 Merge branch 'master' of diyhpl.us:/srv/git/diyhpluswiki
05:01 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 555ba88 laser etcher has moved to its own repo, currently available at http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/ or git://diyhpl.us/srv/git/laser_etcher.git - preserving history for history's sake
05:02 < fenn> why didnt that work when i pushed to laser_etcher.git
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05:04 < fenn> hi there
05:04 < fenn> i'm moving laser cad files to http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/
05:07 < nmz787> okie dokie
05:07 < fenn> dunno if you have openscad installed, if not you might find this informative: http://fennetic.net/irc/xy_table_unfinished.png
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05:16 < delinquentme> fenn, thats not your native resolution
05:16 < delinquentme> is it?
05:16 < fenn> go away
05:18 < delinquentme> what is it?
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05:18 < delinquentme> TI82?
05:20 < delinquentme> fenn, I mean thats kanzure 's lol cad or something open source right?
05:20 < delinquentme> isnt there some cheaply priced close source one that looks pretty?
05:23 < delinquentme> fenn, Y U mean to me?
05:23 < delinquentme> talk.
05:23 < delinquentme> let me know what you guys are working on
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05:27 < delinquentme> fenn, hows fiji
05:28 < delinquentme> you getting tan over there?
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05:32 < delinquentme> SO looking at the ideal space for lab automation I think that coders and lab technicians look at it differently
05:32 < delinquentme> ( unless we're talking lab coders .. but thats a niche )
05:32 < delinquentme> so coders want console pulls and APIs where technicians want kind of the windows experience
05:33 < delinquentme> say to get a protocol:
05:33 < delinquentme> coders "protocol-get titration-12"
05:34 < delinquentme> tech: browse to: www.some-protocol-repo.com    ... search for protocol .. download and then open protocol
05:34 < delinquentme> JA?
05:43 < delinquentme> WHERE B EVERYONE!
05:44 < nmz787> cool fenn
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06:41 < Mariu> o/
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07:42 <@kanzure> fenn: we didn't add the hook to laser_etcher.git
07:44 <@kanzure> it's there now
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09:47 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/tree/docs/vxb_12mm_bearing.jpg
09:47 <@kanzure> i wonder why it says Adobe Photoshop? iirc that's not part of the jpeg spec
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09:50 < Mariu> are we close to printing organs ?
09:50 < Mariu> 3D
09:50 <@kanzure> jmil is working on tissue printing plus some 3d printed scaffolds
09:50 < Mariu> nice
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10:30 < jmil> :D
10:39  * kristianpaul want cmos priters
10:43 < ThomasEgi> kristianpaul, how bout organic semiconductors? they can be printed at least
10:45 < kristianpaul> can you print an organic led right now?
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11:28 < jrayhawk> kanzure: that's a JFIF comment
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11:56 < delinquentme> hio!
11:58 <@kanzure> hi.
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12:10 < delinquentme> Bio!
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12:11 < Mariu> bio
12:11 < yashgaroth> logy!
12:11 < Mariu> =p
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12:32 < n_bentha> hio
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13:14 < n_bentha> does anyone have the link to that site that had a good idea for space debris removal?
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13:16 < n_bentha> found it
13:16 < n_bentha> http://www.star-tech-inc.com/id121.html
13:16 < Mariu> nice
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13:40 <@kanzure> hi chillyvanilly
13:40 < chillyvanilly> yo
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13:41 < Mariu> later everyone
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14:59 < kanzure> ParahSailin: 11604 Stonehollow looks ok
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15:49 < eudoxia> is there a backup of the biohack mirror wiki that used to be here http://acceleratingfuture.com/hplusroadmapwiki/ ?
15:49 < eudoxia> I've been using archive.org to recover some of the contents for Steel's wiki
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15:50 < kanzure> why do you prefer Stee||'s wiki?
15:50 < eudoxia> mediawiki is easier to use than git
15:50 < kanzure> why do you say that?
15:50 < kanzure> also there's a non-git interface to diyhpluswiki
15:50 < eudoxia> fenn's git repo?
15:50 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki that one
15:51 < eudoxia> the one on github?
15:51 < kanzure> anyway.. peerinfinity was the one who dumped content on http://acceleratingfuture.com/hplusroadmapwiki/
15:51 < kanzure> i do have some old archives but i'm skeptical of supporting stee|| in general
15:52 < eudoxia> uh okay
15:52 < eudoxia> I get weird ssl errors whenever using that other wiki
15:52 < eudoxia> so I'll just git clone it I think, since that's the only thing I know how to do with git
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15:52 < kanzure> git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git
15:53 < eudoxia> thanks
15:53 < kanzure> i could be possibly convinced to install mediawiki
15:53 < kanzure> but nobody has ever asked for it back really
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15:54 < jrayhawk> The lack of public registration is a substantial barrier to entry.
15:54 < kanzure> people just want to use an interface they are familiar with
15:55 < kanzure> on a related note..
15:55 < kanzure> http://scytale.name/blog/2009/11/announcing-levitation
15:55 < kanzure> "Levitation's purpose is to convert a MediaWiki database XML dump into a Git repository — including the complete history."
15:56 < kanzure> but this does not look like a bridge
15:56 < jrayhawk> ahahaha what a terrible idea
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15:56 < kanzure> why is that a bad idea?
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15:59 < jrayhawk> global locking, mandatory history retention/non-refactorable trees, no ability to partition trees, etc does not work out at the scale of wikipedia
15:59 < kanzure> i think people just don't understand ikiwiki
15:59 < kanzure> eudoxia: since you brought it up, what do you not like about ikiwiki?
15:59 < jrayhawk> ikiwiki, similarly, does not work out at the scale of wikipedia
15:59 < jrayhawk> well, unless you don't version control it.
16:01 < eudoxia> get SSL errors when trying to do anything other than clicking on the top of the page links, but nothing in general
16:01 < kanzure> maybe i should just rip mediawiki's stylesheet and add it to ikiwiki
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16:01 < eudoxia> that would be good
16:02 < kanzure> why ?
16:02 < kanzure> i was being humorous- stylesheets are just for show
16:02 < eudoxia> oh
16:05 < jrayhawk> bryan: you can get a free cert from startcom if you add a useful email address to your whois record or MX to your DNS zone for diyhpl.us
16:05 < jrayhawk> If you MX over to mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu. I can even do that for you.
16:05 < kanzure> you should assume my zonefile is completely wrong and unstable
16:06 < jrayhawk> I... don't care at all?
16:06 < kanzure> well. by unstable i mean i don't know how to properly host a zonefile or where.
16:07 < jrayhawk> Well, somehow you've managed to arrange for an A record to point at 131.252.130.248, so I assume you have the wherewithall to get an MX record pointed at mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu.
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16:10 < jrayhawk> I can also host DNS for that if you want to point the registry at mine. I would have to decide which of mine I want to use.
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16:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: that would be a good plan
16:14 < jrayhawk> I'll probably deal with that tonight.
16:17 < kanzure> i won't change the dns server until later tonight
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19:12 < kanzure> http://scicomp.stackexchange.com/questions/1852/how-to-create-a-random-3d-domain-representing-a-plants-root-structure/1860#1860
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20:06 < kanzure> hi juul_
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20:36 < ENKI-][> kanzure: you're right. i do want to throw it away. not because it's crap, but because despite six or seven "nia for linux" projects existing and ten or twenty windows-specific equivalents, none of them actually work.
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20:37 < n_bentha> does anyone happen to have access to 'nature' articles?
20:38 < kanzure> n_bentha: yes
20:40 < ENKI-][> kanzure: btw, the EEG software you suggested didn't build. are there linux binaries floating around? it refused to build in some scary nontrivial way that points to potentially months of wading through messy code.
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21:10 < katsmeow-afk> Tel Aviv University researchers have created protein-based transistors from organic materials found in the human body.
21:10 < katsmeow-afk> They used blood, milk and mucus proteins to help take the first step in making silicon an outdated formula to build semi-conductors.
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21:16 < fenn> i'm kinda sick of this lack of decent git wiki software, how hard could it be to write a general purpose web-based text editor
21:21 < kanzure> fenn: write some specs and i'll do it
21:22 < kanzure> tinymce?
21:23 < fenn> i dont even care
21:23 < fenn> raw form-based text editing would be good enough
21:24 < fenn> it should support plugins for different types of content, but not fail if the plugin isn't found, just directly edit the text of the file
21:24 < fenn> it should also list the files that are in the repo
21:26 < kanzure> how about http://el-tramo.be/software/wigit/
21:26 < fenn> ikiwiki fails because it only shows/edits .md files, and doesn't show what's in the repository without jumping through a lot of hoops
21:27 < fenn> did you just pull that out of your ass? what makes WiGit special or different
21:27 < kanzure> out of my ass
21:28 < kanzure> well this is weird... http://repo.or.cz/w/fuse-mediawiki.git
21:28 < fenn> that is interesting
21:33 < kanzure> whuddabout http://gitit.johnmacfarlane.net/
21:33 < kanzure> https://github.com/jgm/gitit
21:33 < kanzure> "Gitit is a wiki program written in Haskell. It uses Happstack for the web server and pandoc for markup processing. Pages and uploaded files are stored in a git, darcs, or mercurial repository and may be modified either by using the VCS's command-line tools or through the wiki's web interface."
21:33 < fenn> nice ms-paint lambda on that frisbee
21:35 < kanzure> url routes look slightly retarded http://gitit.johnmacfarlane.net/_diff/Sandbox?to=3341d2f8e6560aa016c13ba92cc51e908c3e0de2
21:35 < kanzure> oh that's the diff view
21:37 < fenn> ok so the .dot demo, the graphviz code is embedded in a wiki markup, not a stand-alone file
21:38 < fenn> that's not really what i mean by supports plugins
21:38 < fenn> i just want it to render the file for a web browser, instead of just dumping the raw file data to html
21:39 < fenn> i guess it wouldnt be too hard to modify
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21:46 < jrayhawk> if you guys find a decent git web hex and/or text editor, let me know
21:49 < fenn> nah i wouldn't try to edit binary files over the web
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22:19 < kanzure> fenn: so do you want to try gitit on diyhpl.us for a while?
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