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00:00 <@kanzure> and i picked one a bit further back.. theoretically i should have picked the one prior to your first commit
00:00 < nmz787> on checkout does it change all the local files?
00:00 <@kanzure> yes
00:00 <@kanzure> or, rather.. in this case, most of the files are the same
00:00 < nmz787> so if i cat a certain file, it will change from git checkout master to git checkout ubuntu-fixes?
00:01 <@kanzure> in that situation "git checkout" will complain if it would overwrite uncommitted changes
00:01 < nmz787> (if said file differed in the branches)
00:01 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: please stop me if i am bullshitting anywhere
00:01 < nmz787> hmm, no it works
00:02 < nmz787> checkout master, takes a second maybe... nanoengineer wont start
00:02 < nmz787> checout ubuntu-fixes, it starts
00:02 < nmz787> just quick, lol
00:02 < nmz787> quick enough that i questioned if the files were changning
00:02 < nmz787> but yeah i guess its basically just a patch command underneath
00:03 <@kanzure> yes each commit is a patch
00:03 <@kanzure> git reassembles the state of the working directory based on deltas calculated from lists of patches
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00:06 <@kanzure> you can see an individual patch too..
00:06 <@kanzure> git show a74fea
00:06 < nmz787> lol
00:06 < nmz787> ok i need to get to bed
00:07 < nmz787> do we know anyone who can extend this software?
00:07 < nmz787> is it worth doing that?
00:07 < nmz787> lol, do we need to model all our reactions using this software?
00:07 < nmz787> and our channels
00:07 <@kanzure> the original nanorex guys are sorta around but they all have different jobs
00:08 <@kanzure> i don't think this is necessary for our dna synthesis work
00:08 <@kanzure> but it would be interesting
00:09 < nmz787> ok ttyl
00:09 <@kanzure> seeya
00:09 < nmz787> oh do you know anything about the company isec partners?
00:10 < nmz787> and also http://www.isecpartners.com/blog/2010/10/13/isec-acquired-by-ncc-group.html
00:10 < nmz787> chandni interviewed friday, no word back yet
00:12 <@kanzure> no not off the top of my head
00:13 < nmz787> seems like before being bought by british company ~30 people
00:13 < nmz787> not too big, could be nice
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03:02 < strangewarp> http://picturesforsadchildren.com/post/22145925135 - An amusing take on H+
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06:11 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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06:37 <@kanzure> beep
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08:51 <@kanzure> nmz787: hi
09:03 < nmz787> hi
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10:12 < nmz7871> is trans-sexual considered trans-humanism?
10:13 < katsmeow-afk> are they any different humans than normal un trans humans?
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10:13 < nmz787> its hard to imagine why someone would want to hide their chromosome expression (i.e. that they actually have XX or XY sex chromosomes)... i mean i guess in the context of the movie gattaca, where its insurance and discrimination, it makes more sense to me
10:14 < katsmeow-afk> i think to be transhuman they must be different than normal humans
10:14 < nmz787> so i guess its all to do with social discrimination
10:14 < nmz787> hmm
10:14 < katsmeow-afk> ah, there's more to it than XX and XY in some cases
10:14 < nmz787> so since homosexuality is prevalent in lower animals and human, is it then normal?
10:14 < nmz787> you mean like intersex?
10:15 < katsmeow-afk> no, intersex is yet another ball of wax
10:15 < nmz787> or there are XX chromos, but the hormone levels are screwed up since birth?
10:15 < vrs> nmz787: one could argue they are the original transhumanists
10:15 < katsmeow-afk> there's XXY, XYY, even XXXY
10:15 < nmz787> hmm
10:15 < nmz787> so is that natures way of thinning the herd?
10:16 < nmz787> self-limiting, worker bees, etc?
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10:16  * katsmeow-afk suggests you read up on it
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10:18 < nmz787> really want opinions/conversations, not book reading
10:19 <@kanzure> nmz787: transsexual isn't usually considered transhuman
10:19 < nmz787> its interesting because i know ppl who are gender-unsure and f2m
10:20 < nmz787> but also seems like they are, in this society, political justice fighters
10:20 < katsmeow-afk> nmz787 , things NOT binary: physical sex at birth, physical sex after puberty, gene contents, hormone levels, body responce to hormone levels, brain construction related to genes or hormones, etc
10:20 < vrs> I come from the biohacking side and that scene (if you can call it that) definitely has its share of genderqueer etc. people
10:20 <@kanzure> the biohacking side isn't particularly queer :P biocurious was mostly a joke
10:20 < nmz787> i.e. if gandhi never would have made a big deal about india, they wouldn't have found freedom from british... but also his life was full of turmoil
10:20 < vrs> you need a certain attitude to your body to even consider putting metallic things in there
10:21 <@kanzure> you don't need to be queer to want to inject impractical things under your skin
10:21 <@kanzure> and you don't need genderbending to do it either
10:21 < vrs> right
10:21 <@kanzure> so stfu
10:21 < vrs> I think you missed my point
10:21 <@kanzure> probably
10:21 < katsmeow-afk> the tv show House did a interesting, harsh take on a normal XY person with normal hormones but zero body responce to testosterone
10:22 < nmz787> hmm
10:22 < vrs> when you're trans/gq/whatever, you have a relationship with your body that cis people don't have
10:22 < nmz787> i dunno, my body is just a vehicle
10:22 < katsmeow-afk> cis?
10:22 <@kanzure> vrs: and what is that relationship? many people reject their bodies and don't need to be genderbending
10:22 < nmz787> its got a semen maker
10:23 < nmz787> whatev, if i woulda been born a female, i would have liked that too
10:23 < vrs> kanzure: I never said you had to be queer to do x, I said being queer makes you more likely to do x
10:23 < nmz787> i guess i'm interested in body-bending, but the sex part of it isn't that interesting or attention grabbing
10:23 < vrs> cis = not trans
10:23 < katsmeow-afk> nmz787, for those females that egaculate, is that "a semen maker" ?
10:23 < strangewarp> Ideally, there would be a technology that allows people to absolutely choose what sort of body they would have. In lieu of that, one must choose between pursuing current techniques and waiting for better techniques. (If you don't care about what sort of body you have, that's fine too, but don't exclude the people who do care.)
10:24 < nmz787> i.e. girl or boy parts, i would think about electroporating myostatin inhibitors
10:24 < vrs> when you're willing to undergo hormone treatment and possibly SRS, a piece of metal in your body is just another operation
10:24 <@kanzure> strangewarp: changing your sex organs doesn't particularly impact your ability to do better transhuman technologies
10:24 < katsmeow-afk> strangewarp, interesting take on it :-)
10:24 < vrs> and the 'normal' people I've talked to about implants etc were quite put off by it
10:25 < vrs> too much yuck for them
10:25 <@kanzure> strangewarp: i guess you might say, "well, if i don't turn my dick inside out, i would be very unable to be effective at my work"
10:25 <@kanzure> *claim
10:25 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure, there's other methods of srs
10:25 <@kanzure> oh thank god
10:25 < nmz787> i just really wonder if the hormonal stuff is reliable or not
10:25 < strangewarp> kanzure: I think you think I'm making a claim I'm not making? :s
10:25 < vrs> nmz787: srs is only part of it
10:26 < nmz787> i don't even think having birth control pills since the 1950s is long enough to just give to teenagers that dont want to get acne
10:26 < vrs> mones alone don't reverse your dick
10:26 <@kanzure> so anyway.. that's why i argue that transsexual srs is not a transhuman technology
10:26 < nmz787> srs?
10:26 <@kanzure> sex reassignment surgeries
10:26 < katsmeow-afk> it can't be transhuman, because you areleft with 100% plain simple human biology after srs
10:26 < nmz787> so nootropics/adderall isn't transhuman?
10:27 < nmz787> its not programmed by the DNA
10:27 < vrs> katsmeow-afk: except that you need to take hormones
10:27 < nmz787> in srs, hormones, or adderal
10:27 <@kanzure> ah wait i didn't say DNA only did i?
10:27 < nmz787> kanzure: no
10:27 < katsmeow-afk> vrs, i disagree, not in all cases
10:27 < katsmeow-afk> besides, the hormones are replacement, not transhumanistic
10:28 <@kanzure> nmz787: i would argue that you can use (and measure) nootropics to impact the human brain
10:28 < vrs> nmz787: http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.de/
10:28 <@kanzure> lepht is a crack pot
10:28 < vrs> anecdotal evidence :)
10:28 < nmz787> so is a transhuman different from their birth composition, or different from the avg/reference human?
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10:28 < katsmeow-afk> wait, there's NO posting of urls in here anymore?!
10:28 < nmz787> kanzure: i'm not saying nootropics dont mess with brain
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10:28 <@kanzure> katsmeow-afk: heh not really
10:28 < vrs> hm?
10:28 <@kanzure> vrs: i still love you
10:29 <@kanzure> but seriously, lepht isn't a reasonable person
10:29 < katsmeow-afk> then next time you post an url, please kick yourself
10:29 < nmz787> why did vrs get kicked?
10:29 < vrs> kanzure: never said it was
10:29 < nmz787> i post URLs
10:29 <@kanzure> i am just being playful. i didn't ban vrs and i still love vrs.
10:29 < nmz787> ok
10:29 < katsmeow-afk> a kick is still disruptive and impolite
10:29 <@kanzure> lepht was the one who started conflating psychotic breakdowns with transhumanism and biohacking
10:29 < nmz787> so kanzure are nootropics transhumanist, or just temporal modification?
10:30 <@kanzure> nmz787: i think temporary modifications could be considered to be human enhancing, yes..
10:30 < nmz787> because adderal is seen in academics to give a competitive edge over other students
10:30 <@kanzure> katsmeow-afk: yes well so is linking to lepht
10:30 < vrs> kanzure: deal with it, every scene has its broken people
10:30 < nmz787> so in that case srs or sex hormones is transhumanist too
10:30 < vrs> and leoht is interesting
10:30 < nmz787> all the peeps on birth control
10:30 <@kanzure> vrs: lepht isn't part of this scene really :P
10:30 < vrs> lepht*
10:30 <@kanzure> lepht has never actually communicated with the majority of the biohacking community
10:30 <@kanzure> mostly because we'd rip her apart
10:31 < vrs> also if all you ever read about it was that shitty wired article
10:31 < katsmeow-afk> i never heard of her
10:31 <@kanzure> no not just that wired article
10:31 <@kanzure> but also the screaming vids
10:31 <@kanzure> and the arm/tendon shit
10:31 <@kanzure> anyway!
10:32 <@kanzure> nmz787: there's people who would say yes and some who would say no to you on that
10:32 < vrs> elaborate, I watched one of the implant videos, but it didn't have sound
10:32 < strangewarp> I think there is a distinct difference between current SRS, where flesh is moved around with simple surgery, and ideal SRS, which would result in full transformation with no compromise. But trying to figure out whether the former is transhumanist or not may not be relevant.
10:32 <@kanzure> nmz787: they would argue that our nootropics currently suck, for instance
10:33 <@kanzure> there are other ways to define transhumanist though..
10:33 <@kanzure> like "minimal viable nootropic"
10:33  * katsmeow-afk goes away to do things irl :-(
10:33 <@kanzure> which would be a nootropic that makes its user smart enough to make a better nootropic
10:33 < vrs> kanzure: I think you are being an elitist, but ok
10:33 < nmz787> but also if we're saying nootropics (drugs) could be transhumanist, then majority of ppl are transhumanist in a little way
10:33 < nmz787> anyone taking any pill
10:33 <@kanzure> vrs: i don't have a backup of the other videos
10:33 < nmz787> because pills are so new to human race
10:34 <@kanzure> vrs: i think you should not take her advice and think for yourself instead
10:34 < nmz787> transhumans dont have to be smarter, right???
10:34 < vrs> kanzure: obviously
10:34 < nmz787> they could be total dumbasses that survive on rock slime
10:34 <@kanzure> vrs: that's /not/ obvious to lepht's followers
10:34 < strangewarp> If you're going to widen the definition that much, you might as well include clothes and tools
10:34 < vrs> also "its", not "her"
10:34 <@kanzure> vrs: yawn.. i don't care
10:34 < vrs> kanzure: I think you've only met the idiot ones
10:34 <@kanzure> vrs: on that point i'm elitist ;)
10:34 < nmz787> well kanzure the pronouns are a non-binary thing like someone mentioned earlier
10:35 <@kanzure> yes but language is not specific anyway
10:35 <@kanzure> i am not going to fully qualify all of the things that i say
10:35 < vrs> there are not that many things that make sense as implants, sadly
10:35 < vrs> at least with the current state of technology
10:35 <@kanzure> a magnet is interesting but i don't think it's particularly relevant
10:35 <@kanzure> and i don't see a reason to be opposed to aneasthetics
10:36 <@kanzure> nmz787: so that's the thing,
10:36 < vrs> kanzure: because lepht has a certain history with anaesthetics
10:36 <@kanzure> nmz787: transhumanism really just means "human enhancement"
10:36 <@kanzure> nmz787: there are many technologies that improve an individual's personal condition
10:36 < vrs> half of the blog entries are about problems with tramadol
10:37 < vrs> (or they used to)
10:37 <@kanzure> nmz787: some of these are more empowering than others.. with the right levers and pullys you can move much more than your body mass
10:37 <@kanzure> *pulleys
10:37 <@kanzure> but with a computer you can resequence your dna
10:38 < nmz787> i guess with the ppl i know who are going f2m... i wonder if its some deep-rooted subconscious "the grass is greener on the other side"
10:38 < nmz787> I know it could just be preference
10:38 <@kanzure> nmz787: most people have very different goals than you or i
10:38 <@kanzure> they just want a job and a family and a house and to not feel like crap in the morning, or something
10:39 < nmz787> yeah
10:39 < nmz787> i mean i def felt like a small kid in high school, i wasn't a jock or anything, didn't know how to work out, avoided physical confrontation because i felt weak
10:39 < nmz787> tried working out, but didn't have a teacher, so didn't make much progress
10:40 < nmz787> i guess that stressed me out, but i also kinda didnt care since i was in my own book/internet world
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10:40 < nmz787> also i think my male hormone stream is pretty good, always been keen on the womens
10:41 <@kanzure> pfft there's always someone with more hormones (brain tumors hooray)
10:41 < nmz787> so i can try to understand that if my hormones were fucked, it woulda created a lot more confusion
10:41 < nmz787> and maybe i wouldn't have been studying bookish shit so much, with more stress
10:43 < vrs> >i wonder if its some deep-rooted subconscious "the grass is greener on the other side"
10:43 <@kanzure> no people who are trans explain it as something different i think
10:44 < vrs> science isn't yet finished on that one, but the most popular theory is "the brain's internal representation of genitals and body doesn't fit the real thing"
10:45 < vrs> and it's proven easier to mould the body instead of the brain
10:45 < nmz787> ok so but the reality doesnt change
10:46 < nmz787> wetware is easier to change, no?
10:46 < nmz787> take some psychedelics or something
10:46 < vrs> not at the deeper levels, no
10:46 < vrs> psychedelics don't help against homosexuality either :)
10:46 < nmz787> not against
10:46 < nmz787> but refitting the wetware
10:46 < nmz787> getting ahold of, these masses are my cells
10:46 < vrs> with wetware you mean the brain?
10:47 <@kanzure> sometimes it's concomitant with pervasive development disorder
10:47 < nmz787> these masses called balls, are part of the same unit that holds my conscious
10:47 < nmz787> i can understand, ok, balls aren't my ideal mass to be down there
10:47 < nmz787> but to be so frustrated
10:47 <@kanzure> they aren't thinking like that
10:47 < nmz787> seems pointless or a waste of time
10:48 < strangewarp> It sounds like you're rationalizing
10:48 < nmz787> unless they are frustrated with how society discriminates them
10:48 <@kanzure> their value system or internal psychology is such that gender is on the top of their mind
10:48 < nmz787> i.e. soceity sees balls, but the person wants to be seen with breasts
10:48 <@kanzure> in your case nmz787 it sounds like you wouldn't be particularly heartbroken if you were genderless
10:48 < yashgaroth> well normally society won't be seeing your balls
10:48 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: then you're doing it wrong
10:48 < nmz787> strangewarp: yes i try to be rational
10:48 < nmz787> yashgaroth: sure they do, deep voice, facial hair
10:49 < nmz787> all go to balls IMO
10:49 <@kanzure> that's your hormones showing
10:49 < strangewarp> I would prefer to be neutrois and without a sex drive, and I plan to make myself as such once I can
10:49 < yashgaroth> sorry, I was being facetious :P
10:49 <@kanzure> females can take hormone injections to get a deep voice and more facial hair
10:49 < nmz787> kanzure: right, my friend who just started that says she hates her/his breasts.. and she wants the social cues from ppl thinking shes a man
10:50 <@kanzure> nmz787: do you know about dismorphic syndromes? where the brain (either through some psychological method or physical reaction) rejects a limb or part of the body
10:50 < nmz787> sure, V.S. ramachandran, bulemia, anorexia??
10:50 <@kanzure> nmz787: that sounds more like a reason to be a cross dresser.. not trans
10:50 < nmz787> (my mom is/was bulemic)
10:50 <@kanzure> no
10:50 <@kanzure> like people who cut off their legs because "THIS SHOULDN'T BE THERE"
10:50 < nmz787> kanzure: fact is she/he is taking T
10:51 < nmz787> oh
10:51 < nmz787> that seems pretty damn far
10:51 < vrs> transpeople cut their dicks off too in extreme cases
10:51 < nmz787> i've heard of ppl getting shot in neck in war, and 'feeling' the bullet move around, and cutting their face/head apart with scalpel to try and extract the fragments....
10:51 < vrs> or, try to
10:52 < strangewarp> kanzure: There are also people who feel like they should have /very/ different or extra parts, like a subset of the people who are into furry
10:52 < nmz787> but that is grounded in reality to begin with
10:53 <@kanzure> nmz787: there are many things that can go wrong in the human brain long before you get to a stage where something resembling rational thought can happen
10:53 <@kanzure> and by wrong i mean abnormal really
10:55 < strangewarp> The easiest way to solve body dysmorphic thoughts is to let the person modify their body, but instead it's treated as something that must be repressed..
10:56 <@kanzure> oh right, "body dysmorphic" is what i was thinking of
10:56 <@kanzure> strangewarp: there are many advantages to keeping your legs
10:57 <@kanzure> right now we don't have anything better. wheelchairs aren't necessarily healthy. exoskeletons tend to suck.
10:57 < strangewarp> One can make any argument for the objective utility of a particular boily configuration, but if the person's mind wants something else, then they're either going to have to change their mind or their body.
10:57 <@kanzure> and the prosthetics are neat but once you have one prosthetic you use up all your pectoral muscles with electrodes or something lame like that
10:57 < nmz787> bbl
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10:57 < strangewarp> boily=bodily*
10:58 < strangewarp> And yeah, this is why I'm waiting until we have better methods of body modification before I go neutrois. Current methods are expensive, painful, illegal, and have moderately okay results at best.
10:59 <@kanzure> "illegal" shouldn't be a concern to you
10:59 <@kanzure> do you know about that secret island body mod convention?
11:00 < yashgaroth> chemical castration? though you've doubtless looked into that more than I have
11:00 < vrs> what strangewarp says
11:01 < strangewarp> kanzure: Nope, but I'm not really into conventional bodmods. Most of what I want is not presently possible. (I arrived at transhumanism after drifting through furry and becoming unsatisfied with the resigned sense of never-being-able-to-get-the-body-you-want, for some perspective here)
11:02 < strangewarp> yashgaroth: Chemical castration has nasty side-effects and leaves the genitals intact, both of which are negatives to me.
11:02 <@kanzure> strangewarp: i want to reiterate how much i appreciate that you have never linked to a rule 34 image in here
11:02 < strangewarp> I try to have decorum ;)
11:02 < vrs> strangewarp: hm, do you want to keep the sensitive parts or be completely sexless?
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11:03 < strangewarp> vrs: Ideally, I'd remove my sex organs and sex drive completely.
11:03 < vrs> as in, no dick, no clit, nothing but a pisshole
11:03 < vrs> ah
11:03 < yashgaroth> I do wonder how much of an effect physical castration would have on an adult, since it's usually done in childhood
11:04 < yashgaroth> (in terms of side effects, not the obvious ones)
11:04 <@kanzure> surely the soviets have experimented on this
11:04 <@kanzure> quick! to the soviet learnatorium
11:04 < vrs> that should be easy enough, most of the difficulty of SRS comes from trying to preserve the nerves
11:04 < strangewarp> yashgaroth: Stops the progression of baldness, drastically reduces sex drive, causes some individuals to gain 15 pounds or so
11:04 < vrs> yashgaroth: http://news.bmezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pubring/people/A10101/gelding.html
11:05 < vrs> he kept his dick though
11:05 < yashgaroth> tbh that'd just make it easier to piss
11:07 < nmz787_> The dick is def just a hose that makes pissibg less messy
11:07 < yashgaroth> I'm planning to keep my balls, mainly since spermatogonial stem cells are the best quality for reprogramming
11:07 < vrs> balls produce a good part of your testosterone though
11:08 < nmz787_> Thats a plus of semen, cheap stem cells, though only haploid
11:08 < nmz787_> Or ejaculate rather
11:09 < yashgaroth> I mean the diploid progenitor cells
11:09 < nmz787_> Hard to get then out though?
11:09 < nmz787_> You have to surgery them out??
11:10 < yashgaroth> if you're lucky, just a needle and a general anesthetic
11:10 < strangewarp> ow
11:10 < nmz787_> Interesting
11:10 < yashgaroth> pretty much all other cells in the body undergo a lot of dna methylation, which degrades their usefulness in being reprogrammed to other cell types
11:11 < yashgaroth> since methylation causes a lot of mutations, and they're naturally methylating the regions that they don't use, that other cell types would
11:12 < yashgaroth> but yeah if you think muscle electroporation would be painful, that's a whole other level of ouch
11:12 < nmz787_> Cant you inject demethylase?
11:12 < yashgaroth> sure, but a lot of the mutations are already there
11:13 < yashgaroth> reprogrammed cells get demethylated anyway, but the mutations remain
11:13 < nmz787_> With nuclear signal on it with viral promoter
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11:13 < yashgaroth> reprogramming cells leads to genome replication, with fewer and fewer of the methylation sites being copied onto the daughter genome
11:13 < nmz787_> Mutations in accesibility bc of methyls, or dna gets "damaged"
11:14 < yashgaroth> methylated Cs will spontaneously mutate
11:14 < yashgaroth> to Ts
11:14 < nmz787_> But remain methylated or that can chabge too?
11:15 < yashgaroth> when the genome is copied in replication, the new genome is unmethylated
11:15 < yashgaroth> usually a methyltransferase comes in to make all the sites methylated that should be, or were on the parent genome
11:15 < nmz787_> Wha?
11:15 < nmz787_> Ya
11:16 < nmz787_> So the new Ts dont have parents... so no methyls
11:16 < yashgaroth> err no that's a separate issue
11:17 < yashgaroth> sometimes a methylated C becomes a T, which is a problem for reprogramming
11:17 < yashgaroth> but also for inducing reprogramming, you want to block methylation in general
11:18 < nmz787_> Because loss of functionality
11:18 < nmz787_> Or onco jeans turn on
11:18 < nmz787_> ??
11:18 < yashgaroth> well you want the oncogenes on during reprogramming
11:19 < nmz787_> I mean permanently due 2 mutation
11:19 < yashgaroth> that could happen as well, sure
11:19 < jmil> kanzure: http://www.nature.com/nrendo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nrendo.2012.49.html
11:19 <@kanzure> is that it?
11:19 <@kanzure> oh :( that's not your paper.
11:19 <@kanzure> "Muscles, exercise and obesity: skeletal muscle as a secretory organ"
11:19 < nmz787_> Android text to speech I'm using android text to speech now
11:19 < yashgaroth> oh is that the irisin paper
11:20 < nmz787_> I mean speech to text
11:20 < yashgaroth> oh it's not, good
11:21 < nmz787_> Why is that author bad?
11:22 < yashgaroth> who said he was?
11:22 < nmz787_> U seemed to imply
11:22 < nmz787_> By saying oh it's not, good
11:22 < yashgaroth> no no, just that irisin was the new big myokine, but that paper was a while ago
11:23 < nmz787_> Oo irisin is not an author, lol
11:24 < yashgaroth> figure 2's nice, but why does figure 1 have a yinyang
11:25 < yashgaroth> oh they're just being cute
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11:29 < yashgaroth> hey jmil I don't suppose you have the fulltext of that paper maybe?
11:29 < nmz787_> I can prob get it wheb i get bac onto laptop
11:29 < yashgaroth> awesome
11:30 < nmz787_> Bio is soooo complex when you look at it, so much to think about from an engineering standpoint
11:31 < yashgaroth> engineering in the classical is nigh impossible at this point, which is why I prefer the hacking metaphor so much
11:31 < nmz787_> Quickly gets overwhelming unless you really specialize, or only get a surface level broad view
11:31 < nmz787_> For me at least
11:33 < yashgaroth> hey at least it's fun
11:33 < nmz787_> I think places with big money and lots of rote knowledge infused workers can prob do OK with classical engi tech
11:34 < nmz787_> But i guess this is the age where big pharma approach might collapse
11:35 < yashgaroth> oh no I'll be working for big pharma probably :/
11:35 < nmz787_> Evolution is experimental, hackish... some works some fails horribly, some slips past bein OK to be great  later, ot fail even more horribly later
11:36 < yashgaroth> evolution is a billion years of kludges
11:38 < yashgaroth> the source code is commentless and in a mostly-unknown language, and the hardware is even more of a black box
11:38 < thyla> I agree with this discussion.
11:42 < nmz787_> Haha ya
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11:58 <@kanzure> hello fortoke-recaptch
11:59 < fortoke-recaptch> recaptcha is a communications interface for terrorists, goto something that can refresh recaptchas, after 5 times it will tell you "secrets" the federals know about you
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12:00 <@kanzure> what the hell is going on
12:01 <@kanzure> this is not the kind of crazy i wanted
12:03 < nmz787_> Wtf
12:06 < strangewarp> wow.
12:06 < strangewarp> THE FEDS, MAN
12:09 < strangewarp> I have some sympathy for crazy people, since I used to be one and then got better
12:09 < jrayhawk> what precipitated the betterness?
12:10 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: animal love
12:10 <@kanzure> ... i'll show myself out.
12:10 < strangewarp> At the age of 16 I was convinced I could teach everyone in the world how to transform themselves through willpower. The belief ended up colliding with reality, and reality won. ;)
12:11 <@kanzure> what is willpower?
12:11 < strangewarp> Hell if I know, I wasn't the most rational person back then
12:11 <@kanzure> ok. thought maybe you knew something everyone else doesn't.
12:12 < strangewarp> hahaha, that was what I thought at the time, but it was a false belief :P
12:13 < nmz787_> Nah most ppl dont know shit
12:13 <@kanzure> no i mean if you know how to physically manufacture willpower, that would be worth knowing about
12:14 < strangewarp> Oh, indeed
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12:15 < strangewarp> The closest I've come to /literally/ manufacturing willpower is the effect citicoline and alpha-GPC have on me. With any luck I'll be getting some more in a couple weeks.
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12:15 < strangewarp> And that's not so much "manufacturing" as it is "consuming".. :p
12:16 <@kanzure> err have you considered that maybe willpower is the wrong concept
12:17 < strangewarp> Oh, sorry, back then I was using the word "willpower" in a mystical, mind-over-matter sense, whereas now I use it in the "get motivated to work on stuff" sense
12:42 <@kanzure> some anonymization stuff https://bwprivacy.to/
12:45 <@kanzure> http://highlyscalable.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/probabilistic-structures-web-analytics-data-mining/
13:02 < fenn> diy aerogels http://www.aerogel.org/?cat=10
13:02 < fenn> also, strangewarp, a cheap(er) source of alpha-gpc http://www.beyond-a-century.com/AlphaSize-50WSP--Alpha-GPC-Choline-Powder-50-Grams_p_666.html
13:02 <@kanzure> fennnnn
13:02 < fenn> gack
13:02 <@kanzure> i got nanoengineer working.
13:02 <@kanzure> ... sort of.
13:03 < fenn> great, now all we need is a nano assembler
13:03 < strangewarp> fenn: oooh, thanks!
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13:31 < fenn> interesting, i got fed up and looked up the bash completion thing at about the same time
13:31 <@kanzure> yesterday?
13:31 < fenn> the answer is bash_completion_lib
13:32 <@kanzure> well it turns out i had no swap space
13:32 <@kanzure> after adding a swapfile to my system i haven't had a 5sec bash_completion issue
13:34 < fenn> drwxrwxr-x 20 fenn fenn 4096 2012-04-26 02:28 /home/fenn/local/bash_completion_lib-1.3.1/
13:34 < fenn> drwxrwxr-x 20 fenn fenn 4096 2012-04-26 02:28 /home/fenn/local/bash_completion_lib-1.3.1/
13:34 < fenn> drwxrwxr-x 20 fenn fenn 4096 2012-04-26 02:28 /home/fenn/local/bash_completion_lib-1.3.1/
13:42 <@kanzure> stop reading my brains
13:50 <@kanzure> cute apache footer: "a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time on this Server at brlcad.org Port 80"
13:55 < yashgaroth> oh god some dumbass on biohack.me wants to genemod himself with telomerase in an HIV vector
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13:55 < yashgaroth> so many things wrong there
13:56 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: list them list them
13:56 <@kanzure> also.. did he have a reason for telomerase?
13:56 < yashgaroth> because he'll be immortal lolz
13:56 <@kanzure> uh
13:57 < yashgaroth> ok...1 lentiviruses only infect immune cells
13:57 < yashgaroth> 2 the vector includes a GFP gene which I doubt he was planning to remove, which will cause an immune response anyway
13:57 < yashgaroth> 3 telomerase by itself won't do anything but make him more susceptible to leukemia
13:58 <@kanzure> does he have a particular variant of tolemerase? i don't understand
13:58 < yashgaroth> I think it's the standard wild-type gene
13:58 <@kanzure> so.. uh.
13:59 < nmz787> overexpression of telomerase would lead to leukemia why?
13:59 < nmz787> if he cloned his own gene, should be ok, right?
13:59 < nmz787> or is it that it would cause all cells to live longer
13:59 <@kanzure> telomerase by itself wont cause cells to live longer
13:59 < nmz787> and you need to cycle immune cells?
13:59 < nmz787> ok so why would it cause leukemia?
14:02 < nmz787> gooogle shows association, but not cause
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14:06 < yashgaroth> sorry, dipshit roommate knocked out the router
14:07 < yashgaroth> ok so adding tert to immune cells will predispose them to leukemia
14:07 < yashgaroth> since it's an oncogene
14:07 < yashgaroth> and a strong one at that
14:07 < yashgaroth> he's not cloning his own gene, but it shouldn't matter since it's p. much the same gene for everyone
14:09 < yashgaroth> normally the body uses telomeres to regulate cell death, since a cell with short telomeres is likely to have a lot of mutations
14:09 < yashgaroth> hayflick limit etc.
14:10 < yashgaroth> I won't get into the obsession that amateur biologists seem to have with telomerase in general, but by itself it won't do much to help lifespan
14:11 < nmz787> i think ideally the body needs a renewal period added
14:11 < nmz787> where a massive patch is done against one very slow growing cell/organ
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14:12 < nmz787> unless that is what sleep could be used for
14:12 < nmz787> but it doesn't seem to be working
14:12 < yashgaroth> well, the various strategies are still being worked out
14:13 < yashgaroth> but what this guy's doing is...well, it probably won't do anything anyway, but still
14:13 < nmz787> well, as long as he doesn't hurt anyone else... its really just his prob
14:13 < yashgaroth> the GFP coexpression should hopefully trigger a response that kills all the infected cells
14:13 < nmz787> darwin award type thing
14:13 < fenn> i suggest anyone wishing to live forever start with eating large amounts of green leafy vegetables
14:14 < yashgaroth> I'm just saying he's dumb and making everyone else look bad, and knowing biohack they'll be all "let's do this!" and argh
14:14 < fenn> from there you can move to more powerful technologies like fish oil and dark chocolate
14:14 < nmz787> fenn, thats monstrous!!!
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14:15 < nmz787> fenn: thats all homeopathy
14:15 < nmz787> :D
14:15 < nmz787> kidding!
14:15 < yashgaroth> I ingest homeopathic levels of leafy greens
14:15 < fenn> i read that 80% of americans are iodine, potassium, and magnesium deficient
14:15 < fenn> i'm sort of disappointed by life extension foundation
14:16 <@kanzure> at least SENS had researchers
14:16 <@kanzure> OH WAIT
14:16 < fenn> on the one hand they make good publicity for scientific studies relating to longevity
14:16 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: didn't they fire you guys?
14:16 < fenn> on the other they charge way too much for drwxrwxr-x 20 fenn fenn 4096 2012-04-26 02:28 /home/fenn/local/bash_completion_lib-1.3.1/
14:16 < fenn> god dammit
14:17 < fenn> for vitamins
14:17 <@kanzure> LEF has to make back the $15,000 they spend annually on unprofitable webads
14:17 < fenn> bash completion lib only $19.99
14:17 < fenn> anyway, vitamin K pills from LEF are $18 for the equivalent of a large bag of spinach
14:18 <@kanzure> how many bags of spinach would you need to buy to get any amount of potassium
14:18 < fenn> it's not all that far out of proportion but it gives people the idea that you must be crazy to buy vitamins
14:18 < fenn> spinach isnt the best source of potassium really
14:18 <@kanzure> yes
14:19 < fenn> http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2626/2
14:19 <@kanzure> i was just making fun of you for using "bag of spinach" as a unit of comparison
14:19 <@kanzure> most people buy heads of lettuce or something.. i don't know
14:19 <@kanzure> lettuce isn't potassium rich either, so i don't see where you were going
14:20 < fenn> lettuce sucks
14:21 < fenn> apparently kale will cure multiple sclerosis if you eat enough
14:22 < nmz787> how did JCVI get the chromosome into the 'empty' cell ?
14:22 < yashgaroth> microinjection probably
14:22 < nmz787> did they bring it in in pieces in bulk electroporation, with gibson assembly enzymes too?
14:23 < nmz787> wouldn't the chromosome be liable to shear in-vitro?
14:23 < yashgaroth> dunno, lemme find the paper
14:24 < fenn> yeast does some magic recombination
14:24 < nmz787> fenn: i had the same question about iodine and fluorine (contam) 4 years ago
14:24 < nmz787> i asked a prof and he said he was a long time endocrinologist
14:24 < nmz787> and there just aren't any statistics to prove that we're iodine deficient
14:25 < fenn> lack of evidence isn't evidence of lack
14:25  * fenn looks
14:26 < nmz787> hmm, well that was 4 yrs ago
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14:26 < nmz787> from wiki https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21640375
14:27 < fenn> "breast milk from 47% of nursing mothers did not contain sufficient iodine to meet their infants' nutritional needs" and "It is very difficult to measure iodine deficiency in individuals"
14:29 < fenn> why would it be hard to measure? a mass spec reading away
14:29 < nmz787> is there a way to just upregulate retention of iodine?
14:29 < fenn> nah it's so easy to just add iodine to your diet
14:29 < fenn> seaweed, basically
14:30 < nmz787> meh
14:30 < fenn> or iodized salt
14:30 < nmz787> i got sick of dulse
14:30 < nmz787> i like that fresh seaweed they serve at japanese restaurants
14:30 < jrayhawk> Or pretty much any seafood
14:30 < nmz787> with sesame oil
14:30 < jrayhawk> which you should eat for plenty of other reasons
14:30 < nmz787> no clean rivers around me
14:30 < fenn> yes, it turns out we need EPA and DHA
14:31 < nmz787> and i wont buy fish that came from greenland, was processed in china, and is now in upstate NY
14:31 < fenn> i eat canned sardines and mackerel
14:31 < fenn> better than nothing
14:31 < fenn> actually, it's the best fish to eat from an environmental perspective
14:31 < nmz787> "best" in today's world
14:31 < jrayhawk> I eat wild-caught shrimp 'cause I'm almost-coastal and get to lord it over the rest of you chumps.
14:31 < nmz787> not "best" in "best" world
14:32 < fenn> ideally we'd all run on sunlight
14:32 < nmz787> hah, where are u?
14:33 < jrayhawk> Portland OR
14:33 < nmz787> nice
14:33 < nmz787> close to a lotta pretty good water
14:33 < strangewarp> Portland.. lucky
14:34 < strangewarp> I hear they've got a killer music scene
14:34 < strangewarp> Or at least, tons of extremely weird bands
14:34 < jrayhawk> Extremely weird everything.
14:34 <@kanzure> why wouldn't you point out "oh that's where linus lives"
14:34 <@kanzure> instead you point out music?
14:36 < strangewarp> I am a music nerd I guess :x
14:36 < jrayhawk> http://www.google.com/search?q=darth+vader+bagpipe&tbm=vid all that matters is that we have this guy
14:36 < strangewarp> .. the URL made me laugh
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14:37 < fenn> portland, home of the stash tea company
14:37 < strangewarp> Okay, I have more respect for Portland now, having seen that guy
14:37 < fenn> oh, i was thinking tazo tea
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14:41 < fenn> nmz787: "polyethylene glycol-mediated transformation of the circular chromosome to the DNA-free cells followed by selection"
14:41 < fenn> PEG exposure often spontaneously creates cells with extra chromosomes
14:42 < fenn> weird stuff
14:43 < yashgaroth> err where did you see that part
14:44 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium
14:44 < yashgaroth> no the part about extra chromosomes
14:44 < fenn> we did that in my cell culture lab
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14:44 < fenn> erm. the tissue culture lab i took in college
14:45 < yashgaroth> it can make cells fuse, but they won't spontaneously develop chromosomes
14:45 < fenn> i forget the purpose of using PEG
14:45 < fenn> right, two cells fuse, then the fused cell drops various chromosomes but not all of them
14:46 < fenn> or maybe they just don't all get transferred
14:46 < yashgaroth> I suppose if the fused cell(s) manage to replicate, their nuclei would mix and you'd end up with a weird chromosome count
14:48 < yashgaroth> generally you can use PEG to transfer DNA into cells, which I'm guessing was the reason in your lab
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15:34 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: delinquentme nmz787__ make sure you stay through the 16th for the after-hackathon thing.. i don't know what joe is planning
15:34 < nmz787> thanks fenn... yeah forgot about PEG
15:35 < nmz787> yep
15:35 < nmz787> i'll be around til 19th or 20th prob
15:35 < delinquentme> after hackaton?
15:35 < delinquentme> hackathon*
15:35 < nmz787> unless i move out, lol
15:35 < yashgaroth> I'll try to do 15-17th
15:35 < nmz787> hackaton works as a name too
15:35 < delinquentme> its spanish?
15:36 < nmz787> PEG is used for "molecular crowding"
15:36 < delinquentme> hackatón
15:36 < nmz787> i used it to make hybridomas, a cancer line fused with B cells from an immunized mouse
15:36 < nmz787> pretty cool black magic like stuff
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15:59 <@kanzure> where oh where did everyone go.
15:59 < nmz787> If the F-plasmid that is transferred has previously been integrated into the donor’s genome some of the donor’s chromosomal DNA may also be transferred with the plasmid DNA.[3] The amount of chromosomal DNA that is transferred depends on how long the two conjugating bacteria remain in contact. In common laboratory strains of E. coli the transfer of the entire bacterial chromosome takes about 100 minutes. The transferred 
15:59 < nmz787> 100 minutes to transfer 5 Mbp
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16:00 < nmz787> 50 kbp/min
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16:02 <@kanzure> obama
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16:02 <@kanzure> .. damn it didn't work
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16:03 < nmz787> ?
16:04 <@kanzure> nmz787: it usually sets off his crazy
16:04 < nmz787> so can we just do all this synthesis in organelles? organelle engineering sounds hard, but am I wrong? yashgaroth???
16:04 < yashgaroth> err what
16:04 < yashgaroth> what synthesis
16:05 < nmz787> then screw microfluidics, its all just bio factories
16:05 < nmz787> DNA synthesis
16:05 < nmz787> random idea
16:05 < yashgaroth> as much as I prefer the in vivo version whenever possible, microfluidics would be way easier
16:05 <@kanzure> the chemical environment inside an organelle is inhospitable to phosphoramidite chemistry
16:05 < nmz787> not phosphoramidite
16:06 < nmz787> (i just posted a quote from wikipedia about conjugation)
16:06 < nmz787> 50kbp/min DNA translocation
16:06 <@kanzure> nmz787: a netsplit means there's going to be people who don't receive the same set of messages
16:06 < nmz787> so if that could be programmed to pump one nt/time
16:06 < nmz787> then the tdt enzyme would work for synth
16:07 < nmz787> netsplit?
16:07 <@kanzure> but i got your 50 kbp/min message and the ones before that
16:07 < nmz787> whats a netsplit?
16:07 <@kanzure> yeah.. look near the bottom http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-05-01.log
16:07 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
16:07 <@kanzure> "In computer networking, specifically Internet Relay Chat (IRC), netsplit is the disconnection of a given node from the previously established network or between two nodes. As an IRC network is an undirected acyclic graph, a split between any two nodes splits the entire network into two pieces."
16:07 < nmz787> what is that?
16:08 < nmz787> wait IRC is p2p?
16:08 < katsmeow-afk> the servers are p2p
16:08 < nmz787> whats the freenode thing for?
16:08 < katsmeow-afk> for irc
16:08 < nmz787> ?
16:08 <@kanzure> freendoe is an irc network.. there are other networks like efnet and oftc
16:08 <@kanzure> *freenode
16:09 < nmz787> but why are we on a network, if its p2p
16:09 <@kanzure> freenode primarily hosts channels about open source projects i guess
16:09 <@kanzure> the servers are p2p
16:09  * katsmeow-afk checks out freendoe
16:09 <@kanzure> clients connect to an irc server
16:09 <@kanzure> for instance.. you are connected to adams.freenode.net
16:09 < katsmeow-afk> nmz787, mostly because they don't want i to be split-proofed, because that wold eat bandwidth someone would haveto pay for
16:09 <@kanzure> i'm connected to gibson.freenode.net out of oslo, norway
16:09 <@kanzure> i think asimov.freenode.net is in houston, texas
16:10 < katsmeow-afk> type: /links
16:10 < nmz787> type /links
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16:10 < nmz787> links is unknwn to pidgin
16:10 < katsmeow-afk> woo, they also changed that
16:10 <@kanzure> pidgin might not have /links
16:10 < katsmeow-afk> ok, /raw links
16:10 <@kanzure> you can do /whois nmz787
16:11 <@kanzure> anyway!
16:12 <@kanzure> yes if we had an engineered enzyme we could stuff into an organelle or vesicle or something
16:12 <@kanzure> or virus capsid
16:12 < nmz787> well i was specifically referring to the DNA translocation system for conjugation
16:12 < nmz787> its similar to the agrobacterium DNA injection system
16:13 < nmz787> i dont know if they actually have a locomotion step though
16:13 < yashgaroth> brb
16:13 < nmz787> or maybe some sort of one-way DNA ratchet/valve.... so the DNA can only move in one direction
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16:35 < nmz787> kanzure: did it just netsplit again?
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18:09 <@kanzure> nmz787: not sure
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18:23 < nmz787> lol
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18:29 < jrayhawk> s2s is the term to use
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18:46 < ParahSailin> yeah sens...
18:47 <@kanzure> heh
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18:52 < ParahSailin> kanzure, should i make other arrangements for the incubator?
18:53 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: how big is it?
18:54 < ParahSailin> i think it should be less about a yard on each side
18:54 <@kanzure> i definitely can't fit something 3 meters on a side
18:56 < ParahSailin> its probably pretty heavy, so forget about it
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19:03 < nmz787> kanzure: a yard ~~ 1 meter
19:03 < nmz787> not 3
19:03 < nmz787> 3ft
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19:14 < skorket> did somebody buzz me?
19:18 <@kanzure> nmz787: doh i don't know what i was thinking
19:18 <@kanzure> skorket: how goes the site?
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19:19 < skorket> kanzure, what site?
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19:27 <@kanzure> skorket: sorry, i had a brain fart
19:27 < skorket> np
19:27 <@kanzure> what's up?
19:28 < skorket> directed at me?
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19:30 < JayDugger> Before I start searching the logs, does anyone remember good discussions about applications for a Kinect?
19:34 <@kanzure> JayDugger: cave mapping
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19:46 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: i'm still not sure i can fit it. hm
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19:54 <@kanzure> i could go either way on it
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19:57 < yashgaroth> is it in working condition? I had a couple in the old lab and they broke more often than anything else
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19:59 <@kanzure> i mean, i could go drive over there and see if i could fit it in, but if it doesn't that's sorta pathetic
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20:00 <@kanzure> hahaha
20:00 <@kanzure> DATA
20:00 <@kanzure> http://www.githubarchive.org/
20:00 <@kanzure> https://github.com/blog/1112-data-at-github
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20:18 < nmz787> kanzure: i'm pretty sure an incubator will fit into a rav4
20:19 < yashgaroth> gonna need 2 people to move it
20:19 <@kanzure> o.o
20:23 < nmz787> if someone could find a working rotovap for cheap, we could use that kanzure
20:23 < nmz787> for degassing stuff
20:23 < nmz787> rotovap with condenser*
20:23 < nmz787> and chiller*
20:23 < nmz787> i.e. complete
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21:33 <@kanzure> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher
21:34 < klafka> kanzure https://github.com/jtmcmc/py-collab
21:34 < klafka> -_-
21:35 <@kanzure> klafka: does it work?
21:35 < klafka> probably not
21:35 < klafka> next step
21:35 < klafka> more testing
21:35 <@kanzure> haha you setup a separate repo?
21:35 <@kanzure> i mean, account
21:35 < klafka> huh no?
21:35 < klafka> that's my only accoun
21:35 < klafka> t
21:35 < klafka> i think
21:35 <@kanzure> github.com/ klaka
21:35 < klafka> oh wait nvm
21:36 < klafka> oh yah i forgot
21:36 < klafka> i've been using jtmcmc because anything i may show employers/whatever
21:37 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: how do i add a user to laser_etcher.git? it keeps asking me for fenn's password
21:38 < jrayhawk> whaa
21:38 <@kanzure> oops, i mean, it keeps asking me to be fenn
21:38 <@kanzure> because i don't own the repo, even as root
21:38 < jrayhawk> sudo sudo addaccess laser_etcher whomever
21:39 <@kanzure> You are not the owner of that repo!
21:39 < nmz787> sudo su [git daemon user]
21:39 < nmz787> then addaccess
21:40 < jrayhawk> huh, curious
21:40 < nmz787> i think that should work
21:40 < jrayhawk> well, you can use adduser whomever git-laser_etcher until i work out what broke
21:41 <@kanzure> dduser: The group `laser_etcher' does not exis
21:41 <@kanzure> oh, git-laser_etcher
21:43 <@kanzure> nmz787: well anyway. you should be able to push to nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git now
21:43 <@kanzure> git remote rm origin; git remote add origin nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git
21:43 < nmz787> fenn: we need to add the plates for the gantry to the laser_etcher file
21:46 < nmz787> kanzure please try to relay that message to fenn the next time you see him on
21:47 < yashgaroth> fenn_ ping, just in case
21:47 <@kanzure> okie dokie
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21:56 <@kanzure> klafka: you might be interested in learning about docstrings in python
21:56 < klafka> oh yeah
21:56 < klafka> I'm familiar with them
22:05 < jrayhawk> piny bug: FIX'D
22:09 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: neato, thank you
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22:13 < klafka> what testing framework do you recommend kanzure for python?
22:14 < klafka> unittest ?
22:14 < klafka> i think i've used nose before also
22:15 < gnusha_> laser_etcher.git: 7e27143 added laser stuff to laser_etcher
22:17 <@kanzure> klafka: yes i use unittest (or unittest2 if i am in python 2.6)
22:17 < klafka> ah cool
22:17 < klafka> man i didn't get nearly enough work done tonight
22:17 < klafka> oh well
22:17 < jrayhawk> i feel compelled to one-up that commit message somehow
22:18 < jrayhawk> git commit -m 'this is a commit within the git version control system'
22:18 < gnusha_> laser_etcher.git: 86c7818 added google docs link to laser gantry BOM
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22:18 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: "lasered lasering lasers lasered into the git distributed version control system"
22:19 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i am trying to make sure he doesn't learn about -m
22:19 <@kanzure> but it looks like he might already be using it
22:20 < jrayhawk> ha ha your plans are in ruin
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22:21 < jrayhawk> you are right to fear man pages after all!
22:21 < gnusha_> laser_etcher.git: c09e111 added electronics dev and diag section to microfluidics.txt
22:23 <@kanzure> loading bash completion features... real0m4.196s
22:23 <@kanzure> damn you jblake! adding a swapfile didn't help.
22:24 < jrayhawk> if you want whizbang features, use zsh
22:24 < jrayhawk> bash is a dinosaur
22:24 < jrayhawk> its only advantage is ubiquity
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23:20 <@kanzure> http://lesswrong.com/lw/c1x/extrapolating_values_without_outsourcing/ terrifying
23:20 <@kanzure> "they are going to be throwing away their precious time by working on the wrong problem (WBE rather than FAI),"
23:21 <@kanzure> bleh.
23:23 <@kanzure> brlcad.org is borked
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23:29 < gnusha_> nanoengineer.git: 938017b hardcoding a commit id is a bad idea
23:42 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 81208d5 move the text command classes around
23:42 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 6fa7fbc basic README to explain crystal.py
23:42 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 0406a12 fix readme typo
23:42 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: b612207 clarify a sentence
23:42 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 7d6626e extras/output.asm -> extras/output.txt
23:43 < yashgaroth> I threw up a response to that telomerase fellow on biohack if you want something more cogent than my previous rambling
23:43 < yashgaroth> turns out the vector uses a VSV coat protein that's not limited to immune cells, but everything else is still terrible about it
23:44 <@kanzure> you might as well paste the link
23:45 < yashgaroth> well I suppose http://discuss.biohack.me/discussion/221/safety-concerns-in-using-replication-incompetent-hiv-based-lentiviruses-for-dna-tranduction.#Item_3
23:45 <@kanzure> i promise that if i kick you i'll also kick myself, at least
23:45 < yashgaroth> that was my main concern
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23:47 < yashgaroth> :V
23:48 < yashgaroth> I hated to discourage someone interested in biohacking, but
23:49 < kanzure> perhaps he should work on a simpler project first
23:50 < yashgaroth> aye
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