--- Log opened Wed Jun 13 00:00:39 2012 00:38 -!- SilenceFromMars [~gndalfthe@129-2-129-84.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [] 01:02 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:05 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 01:13 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@149.66.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host81-152-117-238.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:24 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host81-152-117-238.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:26 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@132.64.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:15 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 < delinquentme> Kettner Griswold (19, Bethesda, MD) and Paul Sebexen (19, Staten Island, NY) are stopping out of school to work on a benchtop genome synthesis device, which will allow individual laboratories and medical practices to synthesize large genetic constructs in-house for an unprecedented low recurring cost. This product would massively disrupt the fields of biotechnology and health care, fueling innovation and stimulating inte 03:32 < delinquentme> rest and research sector-wide. 03:46 < delinquentme> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 03:46 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:36 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@132.64.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:48 < Tukotih> Damn, that sounds awesome. 05:34 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-67-246-45-105.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 < cluckj> kanzure, thanks for transcribing again 05:43 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:47 -!- chris_ [~chris@146.90.151.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47 -!- chris_ is now known as Guest66037 05:47 -!- Guest66037 [~chris@146.90.151.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:50 < cluckj> I hate that I don't have the money to go to those conferences, yet 05:52 < cluckj> I did get a little research fellowship to do fieldwork :) 05:52 < cluckj> doesn't start until september 06:07 -!- Urchin is now known as urchin_ 06:08 -!- urchin_ is now known as CRM114 06:10 -!- CRM114 is now known as friendcomputer 06:10 -!- friendcomputer is now known as Urchin 06:40 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:44 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 -!- klafka2 [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:34 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has quit [Quit: |] 07:35 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38 < Dr_Patrick> conferences are just a circle jerk and breeding oppertunity 07:42 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 <@kanzure> hi chido 07:46 <@kanzure> cluckj: actually they are paying for us 07:46 <@kanzure> Dr_Patrick: it's not that bad 07:46 < chido> hi kanzure 07:47 <@kanzure> delinquentme: yes, i know about kettner. totally not interested in him. 07:59 < cluckj> whaaaaaaat 07:59 < cluckj> I need to get in on that 08:12 < cluckj> how was/is the conference going, anyway? 08:15 < Dr_Patrick> lots of beer 08:15 < Dr_Patrick> and pasty white dudes 08:20 < cluckj> I think that only accounts for about half? 08:21 < Dr_Patrick> lol 08:22 < Dr_Patrick> the other half is whisky coke and hookers 08:24 < cluckj> whisky isn't people 08:25 < Dr_Patrick> my best friend is whisky 08:25 <@kanzure> going ok 08:25 < Dr_Patrick> you take that back 08:25 <@kanzure> we're not white dudes we're whitenecks 08:25 < Dr_Patrick> lol 08:29 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 9d5dba7 minor typo fix 08:29 < cluckj> anyway, the conference is run by the fbi and not the secret service, so there are probably no hookers 08:30 < Dr_Patrick> first time? 08:30 < cluckj> I'm going to file a FOIA request for stuff on diy bio from the fbi...hopefully I'll get stuff before my dissertation is done 08:30 < Dr_Patrick> fbi goes with hookers and coke like, hookers and coke 08:30 < Dr_Patrick> pretty much the whole govt 08:31 < cluckj> I see 08:31 < Dr_Patrick> once you're in, you're 'in' 08:31 < Dr_Patrick> you think that old guy in california was having a 'seizure' 08:31 < Dr_Patrick> and crashed his car twice 08:31 < Dr_Patrick> what was he head of the SEC or something 08:32 < Dr_Patrick> Its good to be king, its even better in the west where we can all get a turn on the throne 08:32 <@kanzure> cluckj: also file a FOIA request on 'bryan bishop' please 08:33 < cluckj> kanzure are there any new people from new groups there? I'm putting together my field sites and I have Boston, NYC, BioCurious, Austin, Chicago, and if I can get travel funding, Ireland to see Cathal 08:33 < cluckj> lol 08:33 < cluckj> alright 08:33 <@kanzure> cluckj: there's way more than that 08:34 < cluckj> ...awesome 08:35 <@kanzure> singapore, brazil, germany, the netherlands, denmark, france, newcastle, manchester uk, geneva (aww yeah), switzerland in general, bangalore, a few others 08:35 <@kanzure> oh also, vancouver 08:35 < cluckj> nice 08:35 < Dr_Patrick> FOIA got bought out by booz allen hamilton 08:35 < cluckj> oh yeah vancouver! 08:35 < Dr_Patrick> its now a private industry :P 08:35 < cluckj> I met one of the guys who is running it at BOSSLAB 08:35 <@kanzure> there's also more domestic groups that you're forgetting, like seattle, san diego, LA (how could you forget LA?) 08:36 <@kanzure> cluckj: avery? 08:36 < cluckj> Kris 08:36 < cluckj> constable? 08:36 < cluckj> yeah 08:36 <@kanzure> kris constable isn't running bosslab 08:36 < cluckj> I mean he's running vancouver 08:37 <@kanzure> no that's derek jacoby 08:37 < cluckj> he was at bosslab during my last visit 08:37 < cluckj> okay 08:37 <@kanzure> http://biospace.ca/ 08:38 < cluckj> :P kris is a media contact 08:38 < cluckj> http://www.biospace.ca/blog/ 08:39 < cluckj> hmm hitting all those west coast groups is going to be tricky 08:41 < Dr_Patrick> http://www.myspace.com/bosslab 08:41 <@kanzure> Dr_Patrick: no.. http://bosslab.org/ 08:42 < Dr_Patrick> I saw that one first. 08:42 < Dr_Patrick> Suprised they dont have a decent site, with all the nerd energyy 08:42 < Dr_Patrick> I guess web presense isnt that important 08:42 <@kanzure> they did have a decent site until avery changed it 08:43 <@kanzure> now it looks like poo :( 08:43 <@kanzure> i don't like my sites looking like poo 08:45 < cluckj> Dr_Patrick are you involved in diy bio? 08:46 < Dr_Patrick> yes 08:46 < cluckj> what do you do and where do you do it? 08:47 < Dr_Patrick> Mostly research until i get my workshop operational 08:48 < Dr_Patrick> A lot of it is philosophy 08:48 < Dr_Patrick> the 'why' and 'where' 08:49 < Dr_Patrick> also 'psychographic profiling' 08:50 < Dr_Patrick> where we took the genome and compared it to peoples 'fbi' file 08:50 < Dr_Patrick> and then compiled a database of information which can be used by corporations for marketing (one example) 08:51 < Dr_Patrick> Basicaly it gives them the ablility to offer products or services to people at or before the time themselves realise they need / want it. 08:52 < Dr_Patrick> the human robot is quite a fascinating machine 08:52 < cluckj> hah 08:54 < Dr_Patrick> Now that I think about it, Azimov was on to somethign with his Foundation series. 08:54 < cluckj> did you find out anything interesting by linking those data sets? 08:54 < Dr_Patrick> it gives them the ablility to offer products or services to people at or before the time themselves realise they need / want it. 08:55 < Dr_Patrick> you gain a probability of action 08:55 < cluckj> :P I mean did you 08:55 < cluckj> not who you were doing the research for 08:56 < Dr_Patrick> depends on how you see the glass 08:57 < cluckj> depends on the day I guess? 09:00 < Dr_Patrick> I guess i should say, technology is as how its used by its masters. Lets just hope the good guys keep winning. 09:03 < cluckj> is that optimistic or cynical? 09:04 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05 < Dr_Patrick> depends on the day I guess? 09:05 < cluckj> hah, sorry if I'm being obtuse 09:06 < cluckj> it's a job hazard 09:06 < Dr_Patrick> same 09:07 < cluckj> I am an anthropologist 09:07 < Dr_Patrick> oh, well. Until western civilization finishes collapsing, we should be ok 09:07 < cluckj> hahaha 09:07 < Dr_Patrick> unless someone comes along with a replacement ;) 09:08 < cluckj> we here at Social Science, Inc. are working hard on that 09:08 < Dr_Patrick> :P 09:09 < Dr_Patrick> Thats on H street 09:09 < Dr_Patrick> I know the building 09:09 < cluckj> world bank? 09:10 < Dr_Patrick> lol 09:10 < Dr_Patrick> I was thinking of some other place actually 09:10 < Dr_Patrick> its got a name like Social Science, Inc 09:11 < Dr_Patrick> ive got a pic of it somewhere 09:11 < cluckj> hahaha seriously? 09:12 < Dr_Patrick> 'Institute for Behavioural Change and Research" 09:12 < Dr_Patrick> and it is on H street 09:13 < cluckj> weird 09:13 < cluckj> a think tank, I assume? 09:13 < Dr_Patrick> its a front for a religious group iirc 09:14 < Dr_Patrick> or fronts as a front for religion 09:14 < Dr_Patrick> I should say 09:14 < cluckj> my statement still stands 09:14 < Dr_Patrick> turtles all the way down 09:14 -!- Magic-Smoke [~Cody@h254.158.185.173.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14 < cluckj> indeed 09:14 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- Magic-Smoke [~Cody@h254.158.185.173.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 < Dr_Patrick> cluckj, http://i.imgur.com/ko7qx.jpg 09:22 < cluckj> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/31/AR2009033101712.html 09:22 < cluckj> heh. 09:23 < Dr_Patrick> gotta pay for that hookes and blow somehow 09:24 < Dr_Patrick> like I said a front for a front 09:24 < Dr_Patrick> :P 09:25 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 < cluckj> seems like it 09:26 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:27 < cluckj> also nice google maps screenshot :) 09:28 < Dr_Patrick> tyvm 09:30 < cluckj> :P 09:31 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- umm [46599e65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.89.158.101] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 <@kanzure> umm: hi! i am behind you. 09:46 < umm> thanks for the remedial tutorial 09:48 <@kanzure> http://oig.hhs.gov/exclusions/downloadables/updatedleie.exe 09:48 <@kanzure> http://oig.hhs.gov/exclusions/downloadables/updatedleie.zip 09:53 < cluckj> what is that? 09:54 <@kanzure> cluckj: exclusionary list for dna synthesis companies 09:55 < cluckj> banned dna? 09:56 < cluckj> or persons? 09:57 <@kanzure> persons 09:57 < cluckj> interesting... 10:02 < cluckj> making exclusion lists are pretty common governing techniques 10:02 < cluckj> I didn't realize the HHS had one too 10:04 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 4c48e22 dna screening 10:04 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 276aa59 marc juul 10:04 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 1276c06 more dna synthesis screening stuff 10:04 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 3a984d4 more power 10:08 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/howard-simon-dna20.txt 10:08 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/max-hodack-gene-synthesis.txt 10:08 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/marc-juul.txt 10:09 <@kanzure> http://diybio.org/2012/06/12/gogofuge/ 10:15 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 77f0b0c minor typofix 10:16 < cluckj> thanks for the transcriptions 10:23 < cluckj> "Imagine if we found a boom in biotech like we did in the PC revolution, where the order between amateurs/professional gets blurred, then yes it's blurry, it's even beginning now, but it's..." 10:23 < cluckj> :o 10:24 < cluckj> hello dissertation chapter 10:25 <@kanzure> oh please. everyone keeps saying that. 10:25 <@kanzure> "homebrew computer revolution!!!111oneoneone" 10:25 < cluckj> lol 10:25 < cluckj> I know everyone is saying it, that's why it's interesting 10:26 < cluckj> I think that the homebrew computer revolution has some similarities, but it's not the same thing as diy bio 10:27 < cluckj> I was doing some reading up on the history of amateur science and diy bio is more like the emergence of Victorian archaeology than homebrew computers 10:27 < _Sketch_> I've been waiting since 2000 for a $50 computer, though. Woo RasPi. ;p 10:27 < _Sketch_> (I'm including parts) 10:31 < cluckj> my point anyway, is that the homebrew computer stuff was so successful at what it did, that people are using it as leverage for what the biohacker stuff might do 10:31 < cluckj> that's why people keep using it, even though it's not exactly the same thing 10:34 -!- Juul [~Juul@12.155.180.179] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- yash-phone [~yaaic@66-87-7-240.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 < yash-phone> juul: good talk 10:41 < Juul> yash-phone, thanks :) 10:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@12.155.180.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- umm [46599e65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.89.158.101] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:46 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.26.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 -!- yash-phone [~yaaic@66-87-7-240.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [] 11:47 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 65ef68c some outreach stuff 11:47 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: da2d23b more media stuff 11:47 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 75c9112 sascha karberg 11:47 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: c586f42 more stuff 11:48 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/dan-grushkin-genspace.txt 11:48 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/julie-sohn-fbi-outreach.txt 11:48 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/rachael-turner-madlab.txt 11:48 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/sascha-karberg.txt 11:48 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/outreach-session.txt 11:57 < Dr_Patrick> tell us about the joint terrorism taskforce kanzure 12:09 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.172.26.dyn.user.ono.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 12:25 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:26 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- implanted [~implanted@68-185-128-74.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 <@kanzure> "DENIED PERSON LIST" 13:40 <@kanzure> http://www.bis.doc.gov/dpl/dpl.txt 13:42 < Mokbortolan_> weird 13:42 < Mokbortolan_> lot of chinese names in there 13:42 < Mokbortolan_> and arbaic 13:42 < Mokbortolan_> arabic 13:47 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:47 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: the HHS list is the one the DNA synthesis companies are using 13:47 <@kanzure> i'm currently running some stats 13:47 <@kanzure> Number of individuals: 49262 13:47 <@kanzure> Number of businesses: 2792 13:50 < Mokbortolan_> why are they denied? is this a sensitive sort of thing? 13:50 <@kanzure> http://www.genesynthesisconsortium.org/ 13:50 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: not sure yet 13:51 < Mokbortolan_> oh, I guess anything with biotech can be linked to bioterror 13:51 <@kanzure> http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/SDN-List/Pages/default.aspx 13:52 <@kanzure> http://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt 14:01 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hhs_businesses.txt is some excluded companies 14:14 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has quit [Quit: BRB] 14:26 <@kanzure> chido: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/leie.py 14:26 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/leie.csv 14:27 <@kanzure> businesses excluded from the DNA consortium: 14:27 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/businesses.txt 14:27 <@kanzure> individuals with "no affiliations" 14:27 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio/no-affiliations.txt 14:33 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35 <@kanzure> the "BRCH CIA" one is interesting 14:38 < cluckj> yes it is 14:38 < cluckj> so I did some searching and it looks like some of the names on the list were convicted of heath claim fraud 14:38 < cluckj> is the biotech industry using these lists as-is for denying sales? 14:42 < Dr_Patrick> john birch 14:43 < cluckj> could be "branch cia" 14:43 < cluckj> can you figure out whose name that is associated with? 14:43 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:57 <@kanzure> DTRA has asked me to not post the transcripts 14:59 < cluckj> DTRA? 15:00 < Dr_Patrick> well i guess thats your call then 15:02 <@kanzure> that's not my call.. that's the department of defense 15:02 < cluckj> lol 15:02 < cluckj> which transcripts? 15:03 < Dr_Patrick> kanzure, they ask a lot of people to do a lot of shit, you could put them on pastebin anon 15:03 < Dr_Patrick> if you think theyll get mad 15:05 < cluckj> like all of them? or just some sessions? 15:09 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 197e28a la biohackers 15:09 <@kanzure> cluckj: all of them from the DTRA session 15:10 <@kanzure> (the DTRA session doesn't exist yet) 15:10 < cluckj> :o 15:10 < cluckj> that's kinda creepy 15:10 <@kanzure> well it's the military. 15:10 <@kanzure> so, yes it's creepy. 15:10 < cluckj> :) 15:11 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 385a8cd remove address 15:12 < cluckj> I wonder what kinds of super top secret shit they will be telling you about 15:12 < cluckj> gotta sign an NDA first? 15:12 < Dr_Patrick> nothing 15:12 < Dr_Patrick> its just bs 15:12 < cluckj> well duh 15:12 < Dr_Patrick> especially comeing from the dtra 15:15 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:16 < cluckj> now I'm really interested in what the dtra has to say to diy bio 15:18 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: ff70765 brian degger 15:18 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: a638417 more brian degger 15:18 <@kanzure> cluckj: they have this thing organized for 3 min lightening talks tonight 15:18 <@kanzure> no NDA yet 15:18 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18 < cluckj> lol 15:19 < Dr_Patrick> lightening talks can be hit or miss 15:19 < Dr_Patrick> depends on how drunk everyone is 15:21 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 -!- yash-phone [~yaaic@66-87-7-240.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 < jrayhawk> your realtime-transcripting typo rate is impressively low nowadays 15:40 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: d96e749 rudiger trojok 15:40 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 2a2d7fd helseinki 15:40 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: f2f7aaa another update 15:40 -!- SolG is now known as _sol_ 15:44 -!- augur is now known as MortalKombat 15:44 -!- MortalKombat is now known as augur 15:45 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@132.64.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: f764b0c a product pitch ugh 16:17 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 8042140 biologigaragen 16:17 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: cc63497 san diego 16:17 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 52c9ea3 more san diego 16:17 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: whattt? low? 16:18 <@kanzure> oh typo rate 16:18 <@kanzure> yeah i think that might be because when i hit keys from a certain position, the keys get stuck 16:18 <@kanzure> and other finger/key interception vectors cause it to not be stuck or something 16:19 < jrayhawk> yeah, that was pretty funny for a while; it looked like you'd get extremely frequent strokes while trying to transcribe things 16:19 < jrayhawk> or perhaps the subjects of said transcriptions were getting strokes 16:19 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- NonFish[ [~lurking@adsl-108-79-213-97.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:27 -!- NonFish_ [~lurking@108.79.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:27 -!- NonFish[ is now known as NonFish_ 16:31 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: a0a965f berlin, germany 16:32 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i cannot presently confirm or deny whether or not i am experiencing a stroke 16:40 <@kanzure> chido: that tdcs project is from _F7_ (whenever he shows up in here, grr) 16:41 <@kanzure> chido: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ 16:44 < chido> kanzure: https://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs 16:45 < jrayhawk> i can confirm that i am not currentlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll 16:46 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47 <@kanzure> "Know folding is very important becouse change the current distirbution and effect of tDCS mainly depends on orientation of neuronal structures to the DC vector . For now is not looking good for DIY tDCS projects this sentence desciping problem prety well: Individual variability of the human cerebral cortex is a source of both fascination and frustration." 16:47 <@kanzure> "50 brains of the ICBM database processed by BrainVISA after alignement in Talairach space" 16:47 <@kanzure> "some part is more variable than other this info cam be used to aproximate the field orintation to neurones on this areas" 16:47 <@kanzure> "The current flow generally follows the path of least electrical impedance. Consequently, compared to the isotropic model, current flow along theWMfibers in the anisotropic model is denser and follows the fiber orientation. In some cases the channeling of current along WM fiber tracts increases the local E-field strength, but in other cases this effect is offset by the lower impedance along the fibers, leading to reduced E-field strength. The curre 16:47 < jrayhawk> fun with markov chains? 16:48 <@kanzure> chido: kudos for doing the brain models for this, i was having trouble finding any working models for this 16:48 <@kanzure> Polarity-Sensitive Modulation of Cortical Neurotransmitters by Transcranial Stimulation 16:48 <@kanzure> http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/16/5202.full.pdf+html 16:48 <@kanzure> https://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs/pfc 16:49 <@kanzure> http://interstitiality.net/BD/brainEngDiagram.html 16:51 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:51 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 083af3c arc 16:51 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: e1f9080 metu in turkey 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/berlin.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/biologigaragen.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/brian-degger.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/finnish.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/jacob-shiach.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/metu-biogene.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/romie-littrell.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/rudiger-trojok.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/sascha-karberg.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/synbiota.txt 16:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/todd-san-diego.txt 16:57 < ybit2> dumb ass thoughts for the day 16:58 < ybit2> artificial neurons 16:59 < ybit2> interfacing with the brain with more precision than MEAs or optogenetics... 17:00 < ybit2> i don't know the better path for this, synbio or molecular nanotech 17:01 < ybit2> i don't have enough experience or reading time, i suppose, to know better 17:01 < ybit2> so recommendations and thoughts welcome... 17:01 < ybit2> trout slapping allowed 17:04 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 1a7a811 london hackspace 17:07 -!- NonFish_ [~lurking@adsl-108-79-213-97.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 17:21 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:23 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:02 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vanpbsqhhhgwfneb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qskvnjjrwteagjgp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lvlmgcnpuizfcxyw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36 -!- ENKI-][ is now known as DrPhil 18:36 -!- DrPhil is now known as HeraldoRivierez 18:38 -!- HeraldoRivierez is now known as HeraldoRiviera 18:39 -!- HeraldoRiviera is now known as GeraldoRiviera 18:40 -!- GeraldoRiviera is now known as ENKI-][ 18:40 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-148-153.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-148-153.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 < azonenberg> ok, this is cool http://imgur.com/GoK52 19:55 < azonenberg> that's the road paint on a sidewalk 19:55 < azonenberg> outside some major biotech company 19:55 < azonenberg> not sure whihc one 20:44 <@kanzure> ybit2: trout slapping commencing 21:00 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:01 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] 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