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00:22 < jrayhawk> I don't remember if it's a build option or just an ancient version thing, but some versions of SSH want .ssh to be 0700
00:23 < jrayhawk> those are terrible versions and should be replaced
00:23 <@kanzure> oh. huh.
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03:37 < fenn> ybit2: anselm wants to use protists to lay down fiber optic cables in the brain to interface with optogenetically enhanced neurons
03:42 < fenn> it's a ways off
03:45 < fenn> i'm such a sucker for pop materials science http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news-events/press-releases/a-new-spin-on-antifreeze
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03:54 < fenn> lots o familiar names here http://startupscience.eventbrite.com/#m_1_200
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04:09 < archels> fenn: got a ref on this 'anselm' fellow?
04:09 < archels> (this is something that I thought of myself as well)
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07:07 < ybit2> fenn: thanks for that info
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09:24 <@kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3348226/?tool=pubmed
09:24 <@kanzure> "Construction of a eukaryotic expression vector pEGFP-C1-BMP-2 and its effect on cell migration"
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09:25 <@kanzure> archels: http://anselmlevskaya.com/ lives with fen
09:25 <@kanzure> *fenn
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09:25 <@kanzure> archbox: hi
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09:36 <@kanzure> https://sites.google.com/a/brain-connectivity-toolbox.net/bct/Home/functions/BCT.zip?attredirects=0
09:37 <@kanzure> https://sites.google.com/site/functionalconnectivitytoolbox/the-brain-connectivity-toolbox
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09:53 <@kanzure> http://diybio.org/postcards/vol2/
09:54 <@kanzure> i'm here --> http://startupscience.eventbrite.com/
09:59 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: c4b30da jojack speech
10:00 < Burninate> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3819346
10:09 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: f76c99e john adler at cureus
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10:38 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 4e7f9cd questions and answers
10:38 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 202d65c peerj
10:54 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: a001ea0 peerj
10:54 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/
10:55 < yash-phone> kanzure you heard anything from nathan? i think they were setting off at 9ish
11:16 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: a26599c mendeley
11:16 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: eb0ddf4 qa for mendeley
11:17 < yash-phone> nm
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11:23 < nmz787> howdy
11:27 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 42606a2 richard price talk
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11:57 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: b9b071c more
11:57 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: d91da29 even more
11:58 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 97dc9aa total impact
12:05 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 2b8bd21 more stuff
12:06 <@kanzure> yash-phone: he's probably still driving
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12:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/intro.txt
12:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/john-adler-cureus.txt
12:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/pete-binfield-peerj.txt
12:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/richard-price-academia.edu.txt
12:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/william-gunn-mendeley.txt
12:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/heather-piwowar-jason-priem.txt
13:01 <@kanzure> chido: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio
13:15 <@kanzure> chido: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer
13:15 <@kanzure> http://gadaprize.org/
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13:42 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 9ef29c0 recap
13:42 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: b93f384 wilbanks
13:42 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/john-wilbanks.txt
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13:51 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: a1bfe4f more wilbanks
13:53 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 9ae5e7f typofix
13:53 <@kanzure> livestream of today's shennanigans:
13:54 <@kanzure> http://new.livestream.com/scioWC/events/937392
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13:56 < nmz787> kanzure: DTRA in tha house
13:57 < chido> nmz787: is that you?
13:59 < ThomasEgi> microphones? anyone?
14:01 < nmz787> yes
14:01 < nmz787> nmz787 is me!
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14:03 < nmz787> kanzure: i am domain expert for DNA i guess
14:03 < nmz787> i guess you are technical
14:03 < nmz787> so we need to find a biz person
14:03 < nmz787> (according to this lady)
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14:09 < fenn> who's the "academic" person? :P
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14:22 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 80d746c science exchange
14:22 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 064fbb8 more science exchange
14:25 < fenn> how much to mass spec a sample i wonder
14:25 <@kanzure> until it dies
14:25 <@kanzure> what?
14:25 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/elizabeth-iorns-science-exchange.txt
14:25 < fenn> $100 to $700 apparently
14:26 <@kanzure> so i think she's going to sell the NSF or NIH on real-time funding of experiments
14:26 <@kanzure> e.g. microgrants to fund some experiment
14:26 < fenn> https://www.scienceexchange.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_type=Experiments&q=mass+spectrometry
14:26 < fenn> i doubt it
14:26 <@kanzure> haha that's retarded
14:26 <@kanzure> fenn: i asked her and she said yes
14:26 <@kanzure> so.. there.
14:26 < fenn> nsf has independent review requirements, which tend to take a couple weeks
14:27 < fenn> 1) scientist sbmits a proposal 2) nsf director forwards to appropriate reviewers 3) reviewers sit around and pick their nose for a week 4) nsf reads reviews and decides whether to fund it
14:27 < yash-phone> fenn: $100 per is what i paid for ms
14:27 < fenn> that's if everything is going smoothly
14:28 < fenn> $100 is less than i expected
14:28 < fenn> what really, stanford is the cheapest?
14:28 < yash-phone> and that was for private companies - institutes etc was half that
14:29 < fenn> pff citizen scients don't have "appropriate funding"
14:30 < fenn> hard to believe it costs the same to make three antibodies as it does to make a toyota prius
14:30 < fenn> why is there no "toyota production system" for biotech
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14:35 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 686c501 assay depot
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14:44 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: e087520 more assay depot
14:46 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/kevin-lustig-assay-depot.txt
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14:49 <@kanzure> gnusha: hi
14:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 586cfeb kevin lustig still
14:54 < gnusha> kanzure: DO NOT BE AFRAID, THE GRAND UNIFICATION IS AT HAND. ALL ACCOUNTS WILL BE RE-WRITTEN INTO ME.
14:54 < gnusha> AND THEN THEIR OWNERS WILL DIE.
14:54 < gnusha> ACTUALLY, I GUESS IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO BE AFRAID.
14:56 < chido> ~.dakujem :)
14:56 < chido> haha wrong window
14:57 < chido> (I just thanked you for no reason)
15:00 < fenn> i want a webcam showing the robot pipetting around
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15:06 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6c8abc4 max hodack
15:07 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/max-hodack.txt
15:14 < fenn> i like max's business model
15:16 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 62e4141 kaggle
15:17 <@kanzure> fenn: it turns out that he's anti-diy though
15:17 <@kanzure> fenn: like he will only sell to professional labs
15:17 <@kanzure> see here:
15:17 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/max-hodack-gene-synthesis.txt
15:20 < fenn> how does he know who's professional or not
15:21 <@kanzure> yes well, read the transcript
15:21 <@kanzure> we yelled at him about that
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15:23 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/jeremy-howard-margrit-zwimmer.txt
15:23 <@kanzure> this is boring me :(
15:24 < fenn> he sounds pretty pro-diy to me, "if you want to do amateur professional work, if you are thinking of the transition of the PC revolution, then you want a pathway to ramp up to productive output, and that's what our platform can be used to."
15:25 <@kanzure> his explicit response was "only credentialed labs that went through an academic lab, with degrees"
15:25 <@kanzure> you could email him and ask him.
15:25 < fenn> i think he just doesn't care about "diybio" because it seems unprofitable
15:26 < fenn> i don't see that response in the transcript.. anyway
15:27 < nmz787> who?
15:27 < nmz787> hodack?
15:27 < nmz787> tha kaggle thing was a total bore to me
15:29 <@kanzure> nmz787: yes hodack
15:29 <@kanzure> nmz787: from the other day at the fbi thing he seemed to indicate he would not sell to unlicensed individuals
15:29 <@kanzure> and yes the kaggle thing is boring
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15:33 < nmz787> ahh
15:33 < nmz787> is the hodack thing a competitor to assay depot??
15:34 <@kanzure> no it's just a remote CRO
15:34 < nmz787> chief research officer?
15:34 < fenn> contract research organization
15:34 < nmz787> i thought it was just outsourced tests... which was what assay depot sounded like
15:34 <@kanzure> aren't you two right next to each other >:|
15:34 < fenn> i'm 50% aspie
15:34 < nmz787> two?
15:35 < Mariu> :p
15:35 < nmz787> no talking!
15:35 <@kanzure> yash-phone: i see you trying to type
15:35 < yash-phone> "so you see we're different from other CROs because uhhh"
15:35 < yash-phone> damn you
15:35 < yash-phone> this keyboard is tiny i can't keep up
15:35 < nmz787> yes joe we're nerds
15:37 < fenn> the annoying thing about kaggle is their data sets are ginormous (10's of GB)
15:37 < nmz787> oOooo Kaggle
15:37 < nmz787> oOoo
15:37 < nmz787> i'm so in love with your website!
15:37 < nmz787> oOo
15:37 < fenn> you're looking at flashlights
15:38 <@kanzure> chido: you're missing out on all the fun
15:38 <@kanzure> is dylan here?
15:38 < fenn> yeah he's in the back row
15:38 < chido> kanzure: I'm sleepy
15:38 <@kanzure> where are you?
15:39 < nmz787> right next to you
15:39 <@kanzure> 'how mexican drug cartel makes billions'
15:39 <@kanzure> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?pagewanted=all
15:39 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4117408
15:39 <@kanzure> let's do that?
15:40 < nmz787> i'm on
15:40 < nmz787> to stop it, right?
15:40 < fenn> diy transgenic cocaine
15:40 < nmz787> my gf and i need a place to sleep for the night
15:40 < nmz787> we have sleeping bags
15:41 < nmz787> FBI asked me about drug cartels and GMO during our first face to face meeting
15:41 <@kanzure> nmz787: just use langton labs
15:41 <@kanzure> i'm sure they will be okay with it
15:42 < fenn> yeah we have plenty o space
15:42 < nmz787> i told them they probably aren't smart enough to see that it would in the end be more beneficial for them... because it would be lots of $$$ and years of research that could ultimately fail
15:42 < nmz787> cool
15:42 < Dr_Patrick> typical, always checking out the competition.
15:42 < fenn> the drug cartels have a power base in countries/bioregions where growing traiditional drug crops makes sense
15:43 < fenn> there's no reason for them to open up competition around the world
15:43 < Dr_Patrick> dont forget the kingpin of the drug cartels is still the CIA
15:43 < Dr_Patrick> just because ollie north confessed to congress about it, doesnt mean they ever stopped
15:43 <@kanzure> who is this http://solvebio.com/ guy
15:43 <@kanzure> all of these things sound like terrible product pitches
15:43 <@kanzure> "now in private beta" fuck that
15:44 < fenn> (fyi dylan said he'd be leaving after carlo's talk next)
15:45 < yash-phone> isn't carlo's the last talk anyway
15:45 < yash-phone> oh wait nm
15:46 < nmz787> hah, i wonder if this guy has ever used a mass spec
15:49 < nmz787> this guy needs to take a public speaking class
15:50 < chido> oh fenn is labeled now I know who he is
15:50 < nmz787> chido: super-old-school look
15:51 < chido> nmz787: I'm practically stoneage yeah
15:51 < nmz787> is there an event/second counter online?
15:52 < nmz787> an "umm" counter
15:52 < fenn> you mean a drinking game?
15:53 < yash-phone> so far all i can tell is that he has both circles and arrows
15:53 < nmz787> 17/umm per minute
15:53 < nmz787> 17 umm/minute
15:53 < yash-phone> upm
15:55 < fenn> i think i'm going to move to fennpfuhl
15:57 < nmz787> man 4th year and he still says so many "umms"??
15:58 < nmz787> i guess stanford doesn't make their phds teach classes???
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16:04 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 61296f3 solvebio
16:06 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/mark-kaganovich-solvebio.txt
16:07 <@kanzure> who am i? why am i here?
16:07 < fenn> you're a brain in a vat, rehashing a faulty simulation
16:07 < nmz787> you're the speech to text bot
16:08 < nmz787> dude, you missed about 1000 umms in your transcript
16:08  * fenn mutters something about stenography
16:08 < nmz787> whoa
16:08 < nmz787> !
16:08 < chido> whoa
16:08 < chido> ...
16:08 < yash-phone> i actually feel physically bad that that talk got transcribed
16:09 < nmz787> biology is way older than CS
16:09 <@kanzure> yash-phone: btw this is dylan morris
16:10 <@kanzure> yash-phone: you should probably know him eventually
16:10 < yash-phone> indeed
16:10 < yash-phone> what does he do these days
16:10 < chido> I read it in a month o.O
16:11 <@kanzure> yash-phone: integrated plasmonics.. some VC-backed thing about surface plasmon resonance on semiconductor wafers
16:11 < nmz787> tooo late
16:11 < nmz787> ah
16:11 < yash-phone> oh like biacore stuff?
16:11 < nmz787> in a month!
16:11 <@kanzure> which book? can i have a doi?
16:11 <@kanzure> well, screw doi
16:12 <@kanzure> i mean a link
16:12 < nmz787> http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Biology-Cell-Rob-Phillips/dp/0815341636
16:12 < chido> Alberts, The Cell...
16:12 <@kanzure> nmz787: no the other one
16:12 <@kanzure> "The cell" is the name of the book?
16:12 < yash-phone> mol bio of the cell i think
16:12 <@kanzure> yash-phone: that's the standard response tho
16:12 <@kanzure> is that alberts' thing?
16:12 < yash-phone> da
16:13 < chido> has a red cover with a silver schematic of an eucaryotic cell on it (I have a visual memory)
16:13 < nmz787> http://avaxsearch.com/avaxhome_search?q=Physical+Biology+of+the+Cell&commit=Go
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16:14 < nmz787> i don't think solvebio is going to survive to see any profit
16:14 <@kanzure> he just wants to provide linux images and environments for running algorithms on data sets
16:14 <@kanzure> e.g. remote shells and shit
16:14 <@kanzure> *shrug*
16:15 <@kanzure> nmz787: if you go to langton would you take fenn and me with you
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16:15 <@kanzure> also: techshop membership fee has been bumped up to $1000/year :(
16:16 < bkero> ballsss
16:20 <@kanzure> drugs anyone?
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16:21 < yash-phone> hell yeah drugs
16:23 < fenn> drugs are great
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16:23 < fenn> sovlebio can be replicated with a github repo and ec2
16:24 < fenn> more useful in that format too
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16:25 < yash-phone> the guy presenting it could've been replaced by a hotdog
16:26 < nmz7871> kanzure: fenn: i think i'm heading to simon field's farm after this, but i can drop you guys at BART
16:26 < nmz7871> yash-phone: i agree
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16:26 < fenn> oo i wanna go to simon's farm :(
16:26 <@kanzure> "science sweatshops"
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16:27 < yash-phone> can you drop me and chido at bart too?
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16:27 < fenn> i have a bike, so will just ride back to bart
16:27 < fenn> did want to see simon's farm at some point though
16:33 < fenn> ONE MILLION SAMPLES!11
16:33 < fenn> er, i mean, OVER 9000 SAMPLES
16:33 < fenn> i wish he would get to the point
16:34 < nmz787> he actually has a good point, i think
16:34 < nmz787> but i do think most ppl dont know what ufluidics are
16:34 < nmz787> though i dunno about here
16:35 < nmz787> dunno why the design is a problem
16:35 < nmz787> unless you have an FPGA equivalent
16:36 < fenn> sure, a robot on a chip would be nice
16:36 < yash-phone> is there a good primer on microfluidics? i'll probably have to work with him in SD eventually
16:36 < nmz787> "this"?
16:36 < nmz787> cant see the screen
16:36 < yash-phone> this stuff he's presenting
16:37 < nmz787> umm, there are books... but basically just look for papers for chips that can do what you want
16:38 < nmz787> any circuit is app sepecifc tho
16:38 < yash-phone> ah true
16:38 < nmz787> is there parking that i won't get a ticket at langton labs?
16:38 < fenn> yash-phone: haven't read it yet, but supposedly this is the thing to read: http://fennetic.net/irc/the_origin_and_future_of_microfluidics.pdf
16:38 < fenn> i'm not sure about parking tbh
16:39 < nmz787> i have no idea what those graphs mean
16:39 < fenn> i think you can park at night without any special sticker
16:39 < nmz787> ok
16:40 < fenn> who cares about an incubator.. put it in an incubator you already have
16:40 < fenn> i want something with 9000 valves
16:40 < fenn> or standardized off-chip connections at least
16:40 < fenn> jeesh
16:41 < nmz787> well with tons of air or fluid lines it might be hard to close the incubator door
16:41 < fenn> incubate everything, incubate the world!
16:41 < nmz787> but in that case, the incubator needs to be only just larger than the chip
16:42 < nmz787> 3d printing isn't micro enough for anything
16:42 < fenn> what is that blue thing
16:42 < nmz787> (usefull) IMO
16:42 < nmz787> i think a mold
16:42 < nmz787> looks pretty custom
16:42 < fenn> 3d printing is fine for holding chip connects though
16:42 < nmz787> i like the snap on top though
16:42 < nmz787> i was thinking something like that
16:42 < nmz787> because the chips will get old/worn/dirty
16:43 < nmz787> hah
16:43 <@kanzure> 15 microns. haha.
16:44 < nmz787> he said 50
16:44 <@kanzure> he's using really expensive machines (i asked)
16:44 < nmz787> ahh
16:44 < nmz787> yeah makerbot isnt that good XY at least
16:44 < nmz787> Z is better i remmeber
16:44 <@kanzure> so another restriction of carlo's system
16:44 <@kanzure> is that valves must be spaced by 1mm
16:44 < fenn> makerbot has severe accuracy problems (not just resolution)
16:45 < yash-phone> i thought it was 5mm spacing but 1mm is 'totally doable'
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16:46 < nmz787> "Hi Nathan,
16:46 < nmz787> Sadly, Paul Spinrad has left MAKE -- I'm picking up some of his edits, can you send me the manuscript and art for Open Spectrometer?
16:46 < nmz787> Thanks!
16:46 < nmz787> --Keith"
16:47 < nmz787> hmm, I guess Paul never told anyone I haven't made much progress recent;y
16:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d069c46 more stuff
16:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4d978fe aquinas
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16:50 <@kanzure> it's not makerbot.. it's like objet or something
16:53 <@kanzure> yash-phone: for microfluidics primer.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ start reading
16:53 < nmz787> i'm gonna head outside, im too cold
16:54 < yash-phone> noooo i liked fenn's 5 page paper
16:54 < chido> same here
16:54 < chido> I never expected to freeze to death in California, out of all places
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16:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 88600af more
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17:00 < Dr_Patrick> best thing about california is everything is over priced and its full of commies, if you can get past the drugs and gangs its got some nice scenery
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19:30 <@kanzure> beep boop
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20:39 < roksprok_> hello everyone, how was the fbi?
20:39 < roksprok_> did anyone get sent to guantanamo?
20:41 <@kanzure> nope
20:41 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/
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20:45 < roksprok_> no transcript of your talk?
20:45 < roksprok_> kanzure^^
20:47 < roksprok_> also would it be cool if i came to the startup science thing tommorrow?  or is it like groups have formed and stuff
20:48 < Jora> where is the start up science thing?
20:48 < roksprok_> i think downtown
20:49 < roksprok_> startupscience.eventbrite or something
20:58 <@kanzure> roksprok_: it is really really hard for me to type and talk at the same time
21:00 <@kanzure> roksprok_: are you in sf yet?
21:00 <@kanzure> brownies: are you going to the startupscience thing tomorrow?
21:00 <@kanzure> klafka: you too
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21:07 <@kanzure> ca hole
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22:19 < chido> kanzure: are you going tomorrow?
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23:02 <@kanzure> chido: probably, but not early.
23:02 <@kanzure> klafka2: are you going tomorrow?
23:02 < klafka2> potentially
23:02 < klafka2> i am being dragged into much things
23:21 < Steel2> met a girl who's heard of and into transhumanism to a degree O_o
23:22 <@kanzure> yes they exist
23:26 < Steel2> dc is awesome
23:27 <@kanzure> is it elizabeth
23:27 <@kanzure> oh i guess she's seattle
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23:28 <@kanzure> hi selvans
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