--- Log opened Sun Jun 24 00:00:49 2012 00:03 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:38 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.185.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:23 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:57 < brownies> any of you know of a website/software where i could drill/practice mental math? 02:58 < Coornail> you could probably practice using spaced repetation 02:58 < Coornail> create flashcards 02:58 < Coornail> you can do that automatically 02:58 < Coornail> and use mnemosyne to practice 02:58 < Coornail> or something else 03:00 < foucist> real men recognize that SRS/flashcards just ain't a complete solution.. ARRRR 03:01 < foucist> brownies: can't the app that you've been working on help you drill that? 03:01 < foucist> scratch your own itch, eat your own poop, etc.. all the famous startup sayings! 03:03 < brownies> foucist: yeah, we kinda iterated to the point where we're now building a general solution to teach all the things to all the people 03:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 < Coornail> that will surely work 03:05 < brownies> Coornail: our strategy is foolproof! unfortunately, there's a lot of fools. 03:07 < foucist> brownies: that's my startup 03:07 < foucist> you trying to compete with me?! 03:07 < brownies> what do you mean "trying to" ? 03:08 < brownies> foucist: heh, what are you up to these days man 03:08 < foucist> actually right now i'm dealing with my pinterest killer.. will do that in a week and then back to the learning app .. so you betta watch out! 03:09 < foucist> heh 03:09 < Coornail> =) 03:11 < brownies> Coornail: anyway, i just want to do mental math drills for time... don't even need spaced repetition nonsense, i should just be able to pick the difficulty level 03:11 < brownies> hell, i could build this... *right now* 03:11 * brownies fires up the editor 03:12 < Coornail> what kind of examples you want to solve? 03:12 < Coornail> addition, multiplication? 03:13 < brownies> squares, maybe 03:13 < brownies> simple algebra, might as well... completing the square, why not 03:13 < brownies> oooh, actually, doing numerical integration would be a nice catch-all 03:13 < brownies> ....this is escalating quickly. 03:14 < brownies> Coornail: i'd settle for just something that simple, if it exists 03:14 < Coornail> well you could just generate tons of random exercises and plug it into mnemosyne 03:15 < Coornail> that is why I mentioned spaced repetation 03:15 < Coornail> not like you'd have to repeat the tasks, but the software is perfect for something like that 03:16 < sylph_mako> I wrote a command line thing for doing simple ops in hex. 03:16 < sylph_mako> I'm yet to do a simple op in hex. 03:17 < brownies> Coornail: yea but why involve mnemosyne? seems like a sledgehammer for such a simple problem 03:18 < Coornail> maybe it could be a gateway-flashcard, and you'd start using it more =D 03:18 < Coornail> I don't know, I'm just trying to solve the problem with the least effort 03:18 < Coornail> I'm lazy 03:19 < brownies> yeah, but i don't have mnemosyne, and somehow i'm convinced that it'd be easier for me to code the whole thing than to download and learn mnemosyne =P 03:20 < foucist> mnemosyne/anki are fairly straightforward, but you'd still need to generate flashcards 03:20 < foucist> i find there's a bunch of disadvantages with the current flashcard/srs systems 03:21 < foucist> i will be rectifying those problems in my Amazing New Learning Web App That Everyone Will Love 03:23 < brownies> is there a flashcard generation API/ 03:23 < brownies> but then what are the metrics 03:23 < brownies> oh hell, i'll just build it myself 03:24 < brownies> and, oh yeah, wasn't Anki > Mnemosyne anywy? 03:26 < foucist> it's a mite fresher.. but quite a few ppl i know use mnemosyne anyways 03:26 < foucist> anki has various python plugins and such 03:28 < brownies> hm, interesting 03:28 < brownies> why isn't there a cloud version of such things? 03:32 < foucist> anki does have an online component 03:32 < foucist> interface is more baic but works 03:37 < Coornail> there are many formats of flashcards 03:37 < Coornail> most of them are pretty straightforward 03:37 < Coornail> readable 04:06 < brownies> hmm 04:25 -!- panax [~panax@72.185.51.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@219.69.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-53.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-53.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:06 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:06 < foucist> coding a porn site @ a co-working space 06:06 < foucist> (it's the pinterest killer!) 06:06 < foucist> heh 06:07 < foucist> of course there'll be two versions.. adult and non-adult.. two birds, 1 singularity 06:07 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:07 < ThomasEgi> coding a porn site for non-adults? how's that going to work out? 06:07 < foucist> nice interpretatio.. no, a non-adult site for non-adults 06:07 < foucist> and a porn site for porn-adults 06:08 * ThomasEgi is cornfused nao 06:08 < foucist> ThomasEgi: sorry, i guess you dont' have backlog! 06:08 < foucist> ThomasEgi: nah i'm just coding a "pinterest killer" but gonna make two versions of it, one for porn , and one for non-adult material 06:09 < foucist> but i was using porn material while coding it @ the coworking space.. i didn't think people could see my screen 06:09 < foucist> then later i realized that some were looking! 06:11 < ThomasEgi> hm. well i guess having a job where you are allowed to look at porn half of the time aint half as bad^ 06:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:14 <@kanzure> foucist: 196 wpm 06:14 < foucist> kanzure: WHAT.. you beast 06:14 < foucist> kanzure: i challenge you, duel to the death! http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trskuda 06:15 <@kanzure> hrmm well i just woke up.. so okay 06:16 <@kanzure> seems a good of time as any to die 06:17 <@kanzure> ugh 06:17 <@kanzure> started off at 380 wpm and i quickly died. i think my key is broken 06:17 <@kanzure> *my f key 06:18 < foucist> oh 06:19 < foucist> i don't type too much actually otherwise i get RSI 06:19 < foucist> i can't even type more than a minute without experiencing slight RSI 06:19 < foucist> been that way since i first started typing 18 years ago 06:19 <@kanzure> one more? 06:19 < foucist> nah :P 06:20 < foucist> my peak is 111 wpm 06:20 < foucist> i think i jumped 10-20 wpm since we last raced 06:20 < foucist> for no reason at all 06:20 <@kanzure> i think it is time that the german pirate party evolves into the german robot pirate party 06:20 < foucist> no practice or anything 06:21 < foucist> i just realized that 110 isn't that hard 06:21 <@kanzure> where have you been for the past few months? 06:21 < foucist> hiding from this chan of course ;) 06:21 <@kanzure> alright 06:21 < foucist> not a lot new, still in bangkok, just working on marketing and coding etc 06:25 < gl00m> the only thing better than having a high wpm 06:25 < gl00m> is not being a nerd 06:27 -!- gl00m was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [gl00m] 06:27 <@kanzure> why the hell is that guy in here? 06:28 < foucist> heh 06:36 < chris_99> i don't suppose any of you guys have used EC2 and imported your own windows instance? 07:14 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:15 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has quit [Quit: |] 07:17 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:17 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:18 < delinquentme> anyone in here ever heard ( within the context of Ruby ) 07:18 < delinquentme> as a gem being "installed" 07:19 < delinquentme> like in this statement it makes sense ... but I made a (small ) edit to the bioruby lib and im not entirely sure about the feedback I was given 07:19 <@kanzure> it's installed when it's in your gem folder 07:19 <@kanzure> check "gem --environment" 07:22 < delinquentme> https://github.com/bioruby/bioruby/pull/59#issuecomment-6526755 07:23 < delinquentme> the patch ( assuming my edit ) 07:23 < delinquentme> is completely unaware of the file locations after installation 07:24 < delinquentme> however before my patch 07:24 < delinquentme> the tests wouldn't even complete 07:24 <@kanzure> "autoload :KEGGDB, '../lib/bio/db'" is not okay 07:26 < delinquentme> what about it? 07:27 < delinquentme> test/runner.rb 07:27 < delinquentme> seems to be what runs the autotesting 07:27 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 07:27 < delinquentme> and with jruby-1.6.7.2-d19 07:27 <@kanzure> the "../" makes it relative 07:27 <@kanzure> he's saying don't do that. 07:29 < delinquentme> is he? 07:29 < delinquentme> I mean he says its "unaware " after installation 07:29 < delinquentme> but it seems unaware pre my patch 07:29 < delinquentme> as it doesnt run 07:30 < delinquentme> so like we've got 2 cases here 07:30 <@kanzure> i don't know why you don't understand me. 07:30 <@kanzure> don't write "..". use the gem paths. 07:30 < delinquentme> 1) no tests run ... as they fail with undefined variables 07:30 < delinquentme> well there is not gem path for the keggdb 07:30 < delinquentme> so create a pathenv? 07:30 < delinquentme> envpath or whatever 07:31 <@kanzure> no. if you install keggdb then it has a path. 07:31 < delinquentme> yeah however the pre existing path he gave didnt work 07:31 <@kanzure> then fix it. 07:31 < delinquentme> which was 'bio/db' 07:31 < delinquentme> i thought i did 07:31 <@kanzure> you didn't 07:31 < delinquentme> .... 07:32 <@kanzure> damn dude. just use what everyone else does. 07:32 <@kanzure> or if that fails then: 07:32 < delinquentme> kanzure, 07:32 <@kanzure> require File.dirname(__FILE__) + "whatever/the/fuck/you/need" 07:32 <@kanzure> this isn't rocket science :( 07:33 <@kanzure> (i should note that my require line is not normal and you shouldn't use it as a first solution) 07:34 < delinquentme> somethings failing here 07:34 < delinquentme> the fail happens when running the autotest directly 07:34 < delinquentme> "ruby test/runner.rb" 07:34 < delinquentme> breaks because that pre existing path 'bio/db' is wonky 07:35 < delinquentme> so you're saying give it something more absolute? 07:35 < delinquentme> ALSO im wildly confused as to how this works for him 07:36 < delinquentme> because 'bio/db' has no call to its relative path 07:36 < delinquentme> it needs a . to be functional at all .. no? 07:37 <@kanzure> is bio/db a gem or not 07:37 < delinquentme> nah 07:37 < delinquentme> just a file 07:37 <@kanzure> maybe you should change that 07:37 < delinquentme> waiiiit 07:38 < delinquentme> bio is a gem 07:38 < delinquentme> is bio/db a way to sub ref a gem ? 07:38 <@kanzure> sometimes. 07:53 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08 -!- delinquentme [~bob@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- panax [panax@72.185.51.10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:51 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 08:52 -!- panax [panax@72.185.51.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:02 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 < foucist> yay ruby! 09:19 * foucist faps 09:21 * delinquentme joins in 09:21 < delinquentme> LULZ 09:21 < foucist> delinquentme: get the problem fixed? 09:21 < delinquentme> nmz787, apologies about the other night man 09:22 < delinquentme> totally would have come up to chill 09:22 < delinquentme> foucist, i think I have 09:22 < delinquentme> hes running tests in a way Im unfamiliar with 09:22 < delinquentme> or maybe i've just never seen them run with rake 09:26 -!- panax [panax@72.185.51.10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:36 <@kanzure> delinquentme: rake tests:unit 09:37 <@kanzure> or it really depends on what the hell is in his Rakefile 09:38 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:40 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i'd like to copy the nanoengineer chroot a few times, e.g. so i can have one 'stable' chroot and one for 'the next version' 09:41 <@kanzure> iirc, you had to do some sysadmin stuff to make my chroots work on my vserver? 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i recall you had to set something up.. did you add permissions to my vserver, or do something special with the chroot directory? 13:14 <@kanzure> didn't you have to create it for me? 13:15 <@kanzure> 17:58 < kanzure> jrayhawk: E: Cannot install into target '/home/bryan/nanoengineer-chroot' mounted with noexec or nodev 13:15 <@kanzure> from 2012-04-29.log 13:19 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:20 <@kanzure> 18:02 < jrayhawk> ah, yeah, it wants to install device nodes. right. I'll get that first step done outside... 13:20 <@kanzure> 18:08 < kanzure> mknod: `/root/nanoengineer-chroot/test-dev-null': Operation not permitted 13:20 <@kanzure> 18:16 < jrayhawk> Okay, sudo chroot /root/nanoengineer-chroot 13:20 <@kanzure> i guess i should have pressured you for the in between steps 13:23 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26 < jrayhawk> oh, right you are 13:27 < jrayhawk> sorry, my brain is half-conditioned to containers 13:28 <@kanzure> /root/nanoengineer-upgrade or some more sensible name would be appreciated 13:28 <@kanzure> basically a copy 13:29 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32 < jrayhawk> Done. 13:36 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: thank you sir 13:49 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: and can i pester you to document wtf you've done? 13:54 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01 < brownies> hm, i'll ask my question again, for the afternoon crowd 14:01 < brownies> any of you know of a website/software where i could drill/practice mental math? 14:03 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 <@kanzure> the afternoon crowd is exactly the same as the morning crowdd except more grumpy 14:10 < brownies> well, i asked the late night crowd 14:10 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14 <@kanzure> brownies: how about http://flashcarddb.com/ 14:14 < brownies> that's the most hideous web site i've ever seen 14:15 <@kanzure> how about http://quizlet.com/ 14:15 <@kanzure> god, i tried to repress all these urls/sites 14:15 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:17 <@kanzure> https://cramberry.net/ (terrible name!) 14:17 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17 <@kanzure> http://headmagnet.com/ ("predict when you will forget") 14:18 < brownies> yeah, flashcards aren't really the answer here. 14:18 < brownies> i want something like typeracer but for math. 14:18 < brownies> it's not the dichotomy here that i'm concerned with... i'm not going to "forget" how to add 14:19 < brownies> it's more about increasing performance along a continuous spectrum 14:19 <@kanzure> http://shortcutfoo.com/ for math might be ok for speed math training? "can you add two numbers within 1.5 seconds?" 14:20 <@kanzure> i guess it would be nice to be able to do partial differential equations in the less than 10 seconds 14:22 <@kanzure> "draw a math symbol and get its latex" http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html 14:23 <@kanzure> would be nice if it cross-referenced the symbols to wikipedia articles:x 14:23 < epitron> kanzure: omg, i want this for UTF8 :) 14:24 <@kanzure> there was a unicode/utf8 dictionary recently.. i don't recall if it had drawing input or not 14:27 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 <@kanzure> http://webdemo.visionobjects.com/equation.html?locale=default same thing 14:30 <@kanzure> brownies: how about http://math.ly/algebra/linear-equations/pcnpbd/ 14:30 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has quit [Quit: |] 14:35 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:50 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-63-135-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:54 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 < epitron> damn, web equation is great 15:01 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:07 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:11 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 < jrayhawk> kanzure: sudo cp -ra nanoengineer-chroot nanoengineer-upgrade from outside your vserver 15:13 < jrayhawk> hopefully someday LXC will actually work properly and we can migrate you to something a little less restrictive 15:25 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@72-59-148-140.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 < brownies> what the fuck? i'm supposed to calculate a secant in my head/ 15:35 < brownies> kanzure: this is much closer to what i want, other than that though 15:36 < brownies> arccotagent of -1.44? come on -_- 15:41 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 < brownies> kanzure: there ought to be "levels" of problem types that you can do for time 15:41 < brownies> like Angry Birds, basically 15:52 <@kanzure> brownies: so that guy now wants it to be 100 *users* testing the app simultaneously 15:52 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52 <@kanzure> i'm gonna have to tell him no 15:52 <@kanzure> there's no way he's ever going to have 100 people using this simultaneously 15:52 <@kanzure> and i don't want to do that anyway. 15:52 <@kanzure> i thought he just wanted bottleneck/throughput testing 15:53 < brownies> kanzure: he's getting progressively more ridiculous 15:53 < brownies> kanzure: if only you had a handsome brown friend who had predicted exactly this 15:53 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:54 <@kanzure> haha. well at least i didn't sign anything. 15:56 < brownies> heh. good. 16:04 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:07 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@72-59-148-140.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:18 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@219.69.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:43 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@219.69.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:49 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 -!- _sol_ [Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@219.69.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:09 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-146-246.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- SDr|Dublin is now known as SDr 17:34 <@kanzure> brownies: ok i got it down to "git push heroku master" and "siege -n 100" (stress testing) 17:34 <@kanzure> mission accomplished? 17:50 < brownies> kanzure: as i've said, i believe the only winning move is to not play 17:50 < brownies> kanzure: but if you do otherwise, let me know how it goes... 19:03 < jrayhawk> "arccotangent of -1.44" reminds me of http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/abacus/feynman.html 19:06 < foucist> brownies: http://www.free-training-tutorial.com/math-games.html 19:12 < Jenda`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ45se_3TKA :) 19:15 -!- delinquentme [~bob@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A cardboard cutout of Bill Murray, a tangerine with a face drawn on it, and a rough draft of a Harry Potter/Twilight crossover fanfic.] 19:18 < foucist> Jenda`: i don't like to click on links that don't come with a clue as to what they're about 19:19 < yashgaroth> Mexican Jumping Beans 19:22 -!- charlesos [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-63-135-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:01 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-16-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@173-101-25-55.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:20 <@kanzure> charlesos: hi 20:20 <@kanzure> nmz787: yo 20:36 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@173-101-25-55.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:45 < strangewarp> Ergh 20:46 < strangewarp> Bring up radical scarcity around internet intellectuals who have stewed in zero-sum anti-piracy rhetoric for a decade -> they try to stamp you the fuck out 20:46 < strangewarp> er 20:46 < strangewarp> .. radical abundance* 20:47 < strangewarp> I keep making that typo too. Annoying 20:49 < brownies> jrayhawk: heh, i love that story... but sadly i don't have any canonical logs or exps memorized 20:52 < strangewarp> "First of all, it's cute that you keep trying to justify your silly ideals, because it's never going to happen. Grow up, accept it, get a job. Second of all, video game and computer technology companies only make their mega-projects because the scarce market sustains them. If all their employees didn't have to work to live, they would stop working, and human art and science would be over." 20:52 < brownies> foucist: i tried playing the shark game for 2digit + 2digit, but only 2 digits can fit on a shark, so it's completely fucking broken =/ 20:52 < strangewarp> Paraphrasing here; the original guy used less elegant and angrier language. 20:56 <@kanzure> strangewarp: why are you debating with him? 20:56 < Mokbortolan_> it's not a debate 20:56 < Mokbortolan_> it's just two people arguing at each other 20:56 <@kanzure> well okay, then why are you talkingw ith him 20:56 <@kanzure> *with 20:56 < Mokbortolan_> happens all the time 20:56 <@kanzure> people? yeah. 20:56 < strangewarp> kanzure: He's an op in one of the channels where I have long-term friends and complain about things more often 20:57 < strangewarp> (not on this network) 20:57 < Mokbortolan_> you have to make him identify with you before you can even hope to change his mind 20:57 < Mokbortolan_> and then suggest the change in terms he also identifies with, and can appreciate 20:58 <@kanzure> the net utility of convincing some angry internet guy about something is surprisingly close to zero 21:00 < strangewarp> kanzure yeah, I wasn't trying to convince him of anything, I was just idly commenting about the zero-sum non-futurist responses to the latest filesharing kerfuffle and he decided to launch into me 21:00 < sylph_mako> Heh. In my metrics, the net utility of anything is close to zero. Close to zero is all anything ever gets, but it's enough. 21:01 < Mokbortolan_> well, there are inherent "arguments" that occur during conversation 21:01 < Mokbortolan_> sort of like, "I think X is objectively true." 21:01 < Mokbortolan_> "Well, I think X is objectively false, and Y is objectively true." 21:02 < Mokbortolan_> and depending on how skilled each member is in the art of polite conversation, it can result in the transfer of perspective information, or a shouting match/fistfight 21:02 < strangewarp> I think just that guy in particular is good at pressing my buttons; he's basically a psychopath who will not change his opinions because they're HIS, dangnabbit 21:03 < Mokbortolan_> that's most people 21:03 < Mokbortolan_> very frustrating 21:03 < strangewarp> yeah 21:03 < Mokbortolan_> especially because presenting information that contradicts their view is likely to strengthen their view 21:03 < strangewarp> yeah 21:04 < strangewarp> He told me he saved the conversation, so he could paste it into the channel once every day in 2035 to show me how wrong I am 21:04 < strangewarp> psychopath 21:04 < Mokbortolan_> sounds like you couldn't get him to identify with you 21:04 <@kanzure> uh who cares about the year 2035? 21:05 < strangewarp> nobody really 21:06 < strangewarp> I think there was a thread on his video-game-industry-insider forum about Kurzweil at some point, maybe, which might be where he got the date from 21:16 < strangewarp> Also, I think to a Clever Internet Conservative, my opinions about abundance and welfare come off as completely self-serving, since I don't have a job. Which I'm assuming is a very clever thing to point out.. 21:19 -!- neuro-sys [~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:20 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:21 <@kanzure> 281 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 21:21 <@kanzure> Need to get 121MB of archives. 21:21 <@kanzure> After unpacking 16.3MB of additional disk space will be used. 21:21 <@kanzure> not bad 21:21 <@kanzure> but this is just 7.04 -> 7.10 21:31 -!- charlesos [~charliesc@c-24-118-140-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:39 < Mokbortolan_> I printed my own copy of quirkle today, should I feel bad? 21:41 <@kanzure> Errors were encountered while processing: udev ubuntu-minimal console-setup 21:41 <@kanzure> seems to be related to this: 21:41 <@kanzure> mknod: `/lib/udev/devices/ppp': Operation not permitted 21:41 <@kanzure> when running "apt-get dist-upgrade" 21:47 <@kanzure> haha davidad is calling his company "nemaload, inc." 21:48 < yashgaroth> awesome 21:48 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: can you look at that mknod error? :/ 21:50 -!- [1]kovalezko [~kovalezko@pc-198-57-100-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:51 <@kanzure> hi [1]kovalezko 21:54 < [1]kovalezko> hio 21:59 -!- [1]kovalezko is now known as kovalezko 22:00 < ParahSailin__> radical abundance.. like extropian or something? 22:21 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:37 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47 < strangewarp> ParahSailin: An economy where a convergence of info-bio-nanotech makes most common items effectively free 23:21 < jrayhawk> uninstall udev, ppp 23:26 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Mon Jun 25 00:00:50 2012