--- Log opened Fri Jun 29 00:00:54 2012 00:08 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:28 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 <@kanzure> "Fun fact: the word "ewok" is never once uttered or written in Return of the Jedi. We only know what they are called due to marketing and advertising, and other spin-offs involving them." 00:29 <@kanzure> "we touch his arm, and we feel a shock, but our voltmeter shows nothing. he says it is chi." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q haha 00:31 <@kanzure> i wonder if they would have believed him if he wasn't asian 00:38 < chido> are there any memory-boosting drugs I could get without getting arrested? 00:45 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:55 < chido> ~> 00:56 < augur> is there any work on self-assembly that's easy to get into? 01:10 -!- gl00m [~adam@75.105.14.63] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- gl00m [~adam@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 < Tukotih> chido: For memory boosting drugs, see ##reddit-nootropics 01:46 < Tukotih> #reddit-nootropics* 01:46 < Tukotih> But the currently most popular one (which I love) is Noopept, check it out if you are interested. 01:47 < Tukotih> I've taken it daily for a few months now with amazing results 02:09 < chido> thanks 02:10 < chido> can I just walk in a pharmacy and ask for it? 02:10 < chido> ah well, I'll read into it a bit first 03:43 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-173-66-18-189.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 < Tukotih> Nope, but you can buy it from Ebay 03:50 < Tukotih> And in bulk from cerebralhealth (I bought 10g there for a decent price) 03:50 < Tukotih> If you have any questions ask them in #reddit-nootropics 03:51 < Tukotih> chido: (Notice) 04:14 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-173-66-18-189.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:41 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-173-66-18-189.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:55 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-137.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:26 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-137.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 05:42 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-137.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-137.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:46 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 < archels> kanzure: What should I think of the "ZeroState Movement"? 05:49 < archels> I just got an email to attend some polical activist brainstorming session http://cdfp.org/ 06:06 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.127] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.127] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:38 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:02 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:17 <@kanzure> archels: it seems to be some political thing and not doing much.. i say ignore it 07:18 <@kanzure> chido: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/36691-ten-months-of-research-condensed-a-total-newbies-guide-to-nootropics/ 07:23 < klafka> hey kanzure 07:27 <@kanzure> hi klafka. 07:35 <@kanzure> "Optogenetic stimulation of a hippocampal engram activates fear memory recall." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22441246 07:35 <@kanzure> "A specific memory is thought to be encoded by a sparse population of neurons. These neurons can be tagged during learning for subsequent identification and manipulation. Moreover, their ablation or inactivation results in reduced memory expression, suggesting their necessity in mnemonic processes. However, the question of sufficiency remains: it is unclear whether it is possible to elicit the behavioural output of a specific memory by directly act 07:36 <@kanzure> "Here we show in mice that optogenetic reactivation of hippocampal neurons activated during fear conditioning is sufficient to induce freezing behaviour. We labelled a population of hippocampal dentate gyrus neurons activated during fear learning with channelrhodopsin-2 (ChR2) and later optically reactivated these neurons in a different context. The mice showed increased freezing only upon light stimulation, indicating light-induced fear memory rec 07:36 <@kanzure> hrmm i'm not sure a freezing behavior is diretly attributable to an engram 07:36 < klafka> wpah 07:36 < klafka> Center for Neural Circuit Genetics at the Picower Institute for Learning and Memory 07:36 <@kanzure> no no it's longer than that 07:36 <@kanzure> "Center for Neural Circuit Genetics at the Picower Institute for Learning and Memory, Department of Biology and Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology" 07:37 <@kanzure> oh they were listing the departments. oh well. 07:37 -!- Tukotih1 [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:37 < klafka> kanzure I think that freezing is used in that model organism as an engram 07:37 < klafka> although i agree 07:37 < klafka> not directly relatable 07:38 < superkuh> 1http://superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Hippocampal%20Formation/Optogenetic%20stimulation%20of%20a%20hippocampal%20engram%20activates%20fear%20memory%20recall_%20Nature_%202012.pdf 07:38 < superkuh> Oh. Without the 1, obviously. 07:39 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:39 < archels> kanzure: Yes, it's kind of obvious that if you had an engram distributed among interconnected nodes, activating one of those nodes would spread activation to the other nodes, "recalling" the engram. 07:39 <@kanzure> archels: that's hardly obvious. 07:40 <@kanzure> why would a memory be encoding in a firing pattern, rather than the topology? 07:41 <@kanzure> klafka: right.. it could just be that your optogenetic trigger just breaks enough shit and causes freezing 07:52 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 07:52 < JayDugger> Anyone here ever use Prolog? 07:55 < archels> kanzure: Memories are encoded in the structural synaptic connectivity pattern, so a particular group of neurons will be connected such that activating one or a few will activate the others. 08:11 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34 <@kanzure> "Bone-eating marine worms use acid to feed on the skeletons of fish and whales" 08:45 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 <@kanzure> hi rmcl 09:06 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 < Mokbortolan_> eww 09:08 < Mokbortolan_> you know what I can't wait for? 09:08 < Mokbortolan_> when the methane hydrate deposits thaw at the same time as the siberian peat bogs 09:10 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 < nmz787> Mokbortolan_: that sounds gross 09:24 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:55 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 < chido> I'm setting up a DIYbio lab and putting together a list of basic equipment, what kind of fridge should I get? Like, what sort of specifications should I take into account? (how cool do I need it to be?) 10:05 <@kanzure> you at least need a regular fridge (like from a regular kitchen) 10:05 <@kanzure> a -80C freezer is really super useful 10:06 <@kanzure> if you find one cheap, you should gnab it. 10:08 < chido> I'm not sure a freezer would fit into a 2x3 m^2 space, but I can worry about that once I stumble over a cheap one :) 10:09 < chido> so a regular kitchen fridge is enough? 10:11 <@kanzure> i think you need to store dNTPs at -20C 10:11 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-173-66-18-189.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:38 < nmz787> you don't want a "frost free" fridge/freezer, as they cycle to reduce ice buildup 10:39 < nmz787> if you can only get a frost free, then you need to store your stuff in a styrofoam container inside the freeezer, to even things out when the cycling happens 10:41 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:57 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host86-152-7-101.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:00 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-165-6.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:11 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-165-6.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:23 < yashgaroth> chido: a standard kitchen fridge/freezer is fine, -80 isn't worth the hassle 11:25 < Jenda`> yashgaroth: I guess we need something smaller. 11:26 < Jenda`> yashgaroth: We have standard fridge and other hackerspace members don't really appreciate using it for storing chemicals :) 11:27 <@kanzure> don't store food & chemicals in the same fridge 11:27 < yashgaroth> minifridges have freezers sometimes, the important thing is that it's frozen, not that it reaches -20 necessarily 11:29 < yashgaroth> ehhh most of that stuff is harmless, unless they're keeping a bottle of BME in the fridge next to the milk 11:30 < yashgaroth> but it's best not to draw the ire of the other members 11:30 <@kanzure> insert standard horror story about idiot lab coworker storing p32 next to your yogurt 11:31 < yashgaroth> man no one's used radioisotopes since the 90's 11:31 <@kanzure> erm.. what? 11:32 < yashgaroth> ok well I'm sure someone's still using it, but not for anything diy related 11:32 <@kanzure> all the molecular biology labs i've seen use it.. i think even genspace uses it 11:32 < Jenda`> p32 is a plasmid 11:32 < Jenda`> P-32 is phosporus 32 :) 11:32 <@kanzure> bah 11:32 <@kanzure> P-32, yes. 11:32 < yashgaroth> wait which one are you referring to 11:32 < Jenda`> Good question :) 11:33 < yashgaroth> plasmids are fine, I'd be more worried about food getting into/onto the tube, than the other way around 11:52 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 < nmz787> ahh, keygen music :D 12:02 < Mokbortolan_> I liked the one that lets you burn stuff 12:02 < Mokbortolan_> that was an awesome plasmid 12:03 < nmz787> plasmid laser??? 12:03 < yashgaroth> damn sploicers 12:04 < Mokbortolan_> :p 12:23 -!- [1]Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:26 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:26 -!- [1]Burninate is now known as Burninate 12:31 < nmz787> trogdor, whats up? 12:34 < Burninate> Just a dragon trying to make it in the world 12:42 <@kanzure> as a part time dragon slash father, i feel that 12:43 < augur_> anyone know of any tutorials that introduce self assembly? 12:50 < nmz787> dna origami 12:53 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:58 -!- [1]Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:00 -!- [1]Burninate is now known as Burninate 13:02 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host86-152-7-101.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:44 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:00 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:01 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 14:10 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:16 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: bbl] 14:44 < nmz787> 4 color vision in some species (humans too) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy 15:04 < ThomasEgi> now that sounds interesting... and would totaly demand a new HD-colorspace-standard 15:05 < ThomasEgi> looking at a regular screen those people are probably like "my eyes, the pixels do nothing" 15:13 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.165.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:30 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:36 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-28.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-28.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 < ThomasEgi> anyone in here who can translate a few sentences of norway language? google fails me a bit. 16:34 <@kanzure> copenhagen suborbitals liquid propellant rocket engine series: 16:34 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqASqda0ylc 16:34 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1pRXKewNfM 16:34 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Zat0-NlZ0 16:34 <@kanzure> manned test? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USPuRwp-kRw 16:43 -!- kanzure is now known as kanzure- 16:45 -!- kanzure- is now known as kanzure 16:53 -!- [1]Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:54 -!- [1]Burninate is now known as Burninate 16:59 -!- [1]Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01 -!- [1]Burninate is now known as Burninate 17:02 -!- gl00m is now known as DrJackParsons 17:18 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:31 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 17:34 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13 <@fenn> hehe watching that "chi" magician video, at 5:00 you see the narrator with an eye patch, so much for chi therapy on his eye 18:17 <@kanzure> or 50% success rate 18:19 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 <@fenn> and his brother is dead, so more like 0% success rate 18:29 <@fenn> all this from an intentional mistranslation... sigh 18:35 <@kanzure> eh? you checked on the brother? 18:40 -!- Jora [~Jora@96-41-229-57.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:40 -!- Jora [~Jora@96-41-229-57.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:40 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:43 <@fenn> it was mentioned in the video at some point 18:50 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:56 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 19:24 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:39 -!- DrJackParsons [~adam@75.105.14.63] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42 -!- Burninate [~Burninate@pool-74-96-89-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:47 -!- gl00m [~adam@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:47 -!- gl00m is now known as JackParsons 19:55 -!- n_bentha [~androirc@75.111.75.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 < n_bentha> Hey kanz :-) 20:03 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- n_bentha [~androirc@75.111.75.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52 -!- n_bentha [~androirc@75.111.75.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56 -!- n_bentha [~androirc@75.111.75.178] has quit [Client Quit] 21:13 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27 -!- nathaniel_ [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:30 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:32 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-196-204.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:34 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:51 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-165-6.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:52 -!- _sol_ [Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 <@kanzure> "Between the day of indictment and 24 February, library.nu redirected to Google Books. The URL gigapedia.com currently links to an article "The disappearing virtual library" by Christopher M. Kelty on aljazeera.com" 22:01 <@kanzure> isn't christopher kelty the outlawbio guy? 22:02 <@kanzure> http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/2012227143813304790.html 22:02 < JackParsons> loljazerra 22:02 < JackParsons> anti american prowest propaganda outlet 22:02 < JackParsons> but hey.. people only believe the propaganda they want to believe 22:02 < JackParsons> it hip to read aljazerra these days 22:03 -!- JackParsons was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [JackParsons] 22:03 <@kanzure> fwiw kelty's book is sorta worth reading if you're bored 22:04 -!- JackParsons [~adam@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04 -!- nathaniel_ is now known as nathaniel 22:06 < JackParsons> aljazerra is the same as fox news 22:06 < JackParsons> makes my knee jerk 22:06 -!- JackParsons was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [JackParsons] 22:06 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b JackParsons!*@*] by kanzure 22:06 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b gl00m!*@*] by kanzure 22:07 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b DrJackParsons!*@*] by kanzure 22:07 <@kanzure> (having said that, i'm sure aljazeera is full of shit) 22:07 <@kanzure> hehe 22:07 listen i know you have mental problems, but you dont have to take that out on the people around you 22:10 -!- cobra_bub [~irchon@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:11 <@kanzure> blahhh 22:11 <@kanzure> go away 22:14 -!- neuroscientist [4b690e3f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:16 -!- cobra_bub [~irchon@75.105.14.63] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 < yashgaroth> *!*@*75.105.14.63 22:21 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22 < nmz787> man nyc is crazy, but it makes me think how china is prob 50X NYCs 22:22 < nmz787> i.e. the masses of people here, stacked up and shit... what are they all doing? 22:28 < yashgaroth> china isn't just a bigger version of kowloon city you know 22:28 < yashgaroth> that would be sweet though, I would totally live in that 22:34 < nmz787> dunno what that is, but i heard its just high rise projects 22:35 < nmz787> like, L.A. sized areas 22:37 < strangewarp> nmz787: look up "Kowloon Walled City" and prepare to nerd out over extreme population density 22:42 < strangewarp> re Al Jazeera: Fox News makes itself into a comparison magnet, to destabilize the legitimacy of any lefty news-sources that may sometimes choose to be frank about neoliberal warmongering garbage 22:43 < strangewarp> So far as the H+ project, though, I still weakly believe that it doesn't matter what kind of cat you're using, so long as it catches the mouse 22:48 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@219.69.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:27 < jrayhawk> al jazeera english arose essentially as a result of the failure of the bbc as an international news source 23:30 -!- strages_shop [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:38 < jrayhawk> comparing it to fox news is a bit nutty; fox caters to a national audience and can afford a great deal of nativism and authoritarian manipulation; al jazeera caters to an international audience and makes credible efforts to trump the BBC in terms of editorial quality and objectivity 23:45 < jrayhawk> as a thought excersize, imagine what the audience would be like if you translated fox news to arabic 23:46 <@kanzure> an arabic-speaking american public? 23:47 < jrayhawk> an arabic-speaking qatari public would work better 23:48 -!- strages_shop [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:54 <@kanzure> so it looks like all phd students have abundant amounts of guilt 23:54 <@kanzure> or somehow their advisors are able to use guilt to motivate them? 23:56 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@219.69.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:57 < yashgaroth> that's an odd spelling of "fear" --- Log closed Sat Jun 30 00:00:55 2012