--- Log opened Mon Jul 09 00:00:03 2012 00:03 < jrayhawk> he's missing the requisite HR-friendly giant-searchable-list-of-vaguely-applicable-technology-buzzwords 00:07 < kanzure> oh shit! 00:07 < kanzure> i knew i forgot something 00:07 < kanzure> "Here is a tag cloud of every technology I have ever talked about" 00:08 < kanzure> congratulations, i'm now an expert on oracle/g2 00:08 < kanzure> Moin Ahmad : [singularity summit, singularity, singularity institute, conferences] 00:08 < kanzure> Ronny Fehling : [singularity summit, singularity, singularity institute, conferences] 00:08 < kanzure> hmmm 00:29 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:39 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@1.142.2.48] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:39 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@1.142.2.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:57a0:e6de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:57a0:e6de] has quit [Changing host] 01:00 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:01 < foucist> kanzure: sponsored by george church, the NRA, and oracle 01:09 * Mokbortolan_ creates a new subreddit and channel, "neuromod". 01:09 < Mokbortolan_> now all need is an fMRI 01:09 < kanzure> can't you just co-opt this channel instead? 01:09 < kanzure> well, i guess i don't enjoy redditors in here 01:09 < Mokbortolan_> :( 01:10 < kanzure> so maybe i should thank you instead? 01:10 < kanzure> not sure 01:10 < kanzure> i am generally against fragmentation though 01:10 < Mokbortolan_> yeah, I guess it does kind if fit within H+ 01:10 < Mokbortolan_> though, I feel like discussion here tends toward the theoretical rather than the practical 01:11 < kanzure> feel free to change that 01:11 < Mokbortolan_> is there an associated forum, btw? 01:11 < kanzure> hell no 01:11 < Mokbortolan_> :p 01:11 < kanzure> there was a mailing list in 2007-2009 but nobody has asked for it back 01:11 < Mokbortolan_> I like the reddit format 01:11 < Mokbortolan_> much better than "standard" forums, IMO 01:12 < Mokbortolan_> I mean, the layout and functionality 01:12 < kanzure> people just want interfaces that they are used to 01:12 < kanzure> this is why nobody understands any wiki other than mediawiki 01:12 < kanzure> or any forum other than phpbb 01:12 < Mokbortolan_> I feel claustrophobia nagging at me whenever I'm in a phpbb now 01:13 < kanzure> feel free to ban anyone in here who is insufficiently practical 01:14 < Mokbortolan_> so, the idea is to use technologies like tMS and tDCS in conjunction with techniques like "games" and hypnosis to permanently strengthen particular brain regions 01:14 < Mokbortolan_> at least, that's my idea 01:14 < Mokbortolan_> integrative electronics and surgical modifications are neat, but impractical at the moment 01:15 < kanzure> tms isn't specific enough to target particular brain regions 01:15 < Mokbortolan_> indeed 01:15 < kanzure> and nobody has developed a method for specific brain region targetting with tdcs 01:15 < kanzure> i suggest ultrasound, but i think i've mentioned this before and i think you ignored me then too 01:15 < Mokbortolan_> but with hypnosis/practice, I think it can be useful 01:15 < Mokbortolan_> oh yeah, I forget about ultrasound 01:15 < kanzure> da fuck does hypnosis have to do with anything 01:15 < Mokbortolan_> I didn't ignore you :p I read a bit about it 01:15 < Mokbortolan_> see, now that's the attitude I'd like to avoid 01:16 < Mokbortolan_> skepticism is healthy 01:16 < Mokbortolan_> I understand that 01:16 < Mokbortolan_> that is a good question though 01:16 < Mokbortolan_> "What *does* he mean by using hypnosis to this end?" 01:16 < kanzure> are you just making random assertions or do you have a paper/link 01:17 < Mokbortolan_> no, I only make random assertions for purposes of humor 01:17 < kanzure> ok 01:17 < kanzure> well, please keep that on reddit 01:17 < kanzure> i mean, not the humor part, the other part 01:17 < kanzure> the quantum consciousness/hypnosis/brainwave stuff 01:18 < Mokbortolan_> the first one is a fun idea 01:18 < kanzure> ugh 01:18 < Mokbortolan_> the second is practical, and the third I'm still investigating 01:18 * Mokbortolan_ enjoys ideas. 01:18 < brownies> quantum hypnosis bro 01:18 < kanzure> i'm not saying hypnosis is fake 01:18 < kanzure> i'm saying it's probably not worth your attention 01:18 * Mokbortolan_ points an orgone generator at kanzure. 01:19 < Mokbortolan_> :p 01:19 < Mokbortolan_> what makes you say that? 01:20 < Mokbortolan_> I promise not to try to convince you that hypnosis is useful or viable 01:20 < Mokbortolan_> but I am interested in your opinion in the matter 01:21 < kanzure> you should be figuring out how to poke the brain with hot sticks and lasers, not hypnotic suggestion or decades of meditation 01:21 < Mokbortolan_> I've determined that it is impossible to convince anybody of anything 01:22 < Mokbortolan_> so, you know how thinking about moving your arm activates the same circuits as actually moving your arm? 01:23 < Mokbortolan_> that's how they get those monkeys to control the robotic arms, I hear 01:23 < kanzure> nope 01:23 < Mokbortolan_> got it 01:23 < kanzure> firing my arm neurons is not the same thing 01:23 < kanzure> there are related motor cortex events going on, but it's not the same thing (otherwise my arm would move) 01:24 < Mokbortolan_> you're right,I wasn't being specific enough 01:24 * kanzure is grumpy 01:24 < kanzure> are you one of those guys who just makes lots of analogies about everything 01:24 < Mokbortolan_> sounds like you need more crystals glued to your skull 01:24 < kanzure> how much do i need to spend? 01:24 < Mokbortolan_> limits your hat choices, but that's the nature of it 01:25 < Mokbortolan_> I could 01:26 * kanzure sleeps 01:26 < Mokbortolan_> you can pick up a kit blessed by not only the buddhist triumvirate, but also the last remaining shou-lin priestess 01:26 < Mokbortolan_> a mere $24,000 01:26 < Mokbortolan_> (an auspicious number) 01:27 < Mokbortolan_> without all that concentrated power, you would never pay that much for a bag of double-ended quartz crystals and a tube of cyanoacrylate? 01:27 < Mokbortolan_> err, -? 01:28 < Mokbortolan_> As far as I'm concerned, hypnosis is the same thing as having those monkeys think about moving their arms 01:28 < foucist> Mokbortolan_: could've come up with a much more auspicious number.. 4 is a bad number in chinese, it represents death! 01:28 < Mokbortolan_> only in a more concentrated form, and for different circuits 01:29 < Mokbortolan_> sure, if you're Chinese 01:29 < foucist> or asian 01:29 < Mokbortolan_> is that a pan-asian thing? 01:29 < kanzure> your distinction about hypnosis and monkey arms doesn't make sense to me at all 01:29 < Mokbortolan_> or just chinese/japanese, due to the similar ideograms 01:29 < kanzure> are you a neuroscientist? i forget what your background is 01:29 < kanzure> like what do i need to tell you to go read 01:29 < Mokbortolan_> my background is baloney 01:29 < kanzure> did you read that monkey/arm paper? 01:30 * Mokbortolan_ is a systems administrator. 01:30 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7198/abs/nature06996.html 01:30 < Mokbortolan_> I integrate proprietary systems that I know little about the inner workings of 01:31 < Mokbortolan_> except when they fuck up, then my intuitive understanding of those inner workings saves my behind 01:33 < Mokbortolan_> lemme find you a good one 01:35 < Mokbortolan_> this one's not very good: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11842073 01:36 < Mokbortolan_> here we go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22465168 01:36 < Mokbortolan_> The facilitating effect of clinical hypnosis on motor imagery: an fMRI study. 01:40 < Mokbortolan_> so, my hypnosis/tDCS association is to increase the excitability of a general area, then use hypnosis to activate the specific sections you want, over time strengthening those sections 01:41 < Mokbortolan_> right now I think hypnosis will only be superior to other methods in some cases, where actual practice will win out in others 01:42 < kanzure> because you think hypnosis can isolate particular spatial dimensions of the brain? 01:42 < kanzure> hypnotic coordinate system? what? 01:42 < Mokbortolan_> .... not so much a spatial activation, but a functional one 01:42 < Mokbortolan_> the spatial aspect being determined roughly beforehand by fMRI studies 01:43 < kanzure> by varying the hypnotic input? i don't understand 01:43 < Mokbortolan_> in this sense, hypnosis is another form of practice 01:44 < Mokbortolan_> instead of practicing your forehand, you'd imagine that you were practicing it 01:44 < kanzure> uhuh 01:44 * kanzure sleeps 01:45 < Mokbortolan_> g'nite 01:45 < Mokbortolan_> forehand in the tennis context 01:45 < kanzure> well, actually, i just want to clarify that i think your coordinate system sucks and you should try direct stimulation of whatever you're interested in 01:45 < Mokbortolan_> not the anatomical 01:45 < Mokbortolan_> how would you propose I do that? 01:45 < Mokbortolan_> needles? 01:46 < Mokbortolan_> hd-tdcs is interesting to me 01:47 < Mokbortolan_> seems a bit understudied to me though 01:49 < obscurite> based on the abstract, their conclusion that hypnosis enhanced motor imagery is based soley on activity in the thalamus. 01:50 < Mokbortolan_> I didn't get that at all 01:51 < obscurite> so they arbitrarily applied the adjective "enhance" to "thalamus activity" 01:51 < obscurite> that's all I know because that's all that the abstract says. 01:52 < Mokbortolan_> if anybody could grab that one I'd give them an internet cookie 01:52 < Mokbortolan_> I'd be interested to see if they did a non-hypnosis set 01:53 < Mokbortolan_> unless they figured that's already been done to death 01:53 < kanzure> blah, specifically, i don't think you should assume that what you consider hypnosis to have full ability to isolate particular brain regions, because of particular systemic limitations of the brain. just pointing a hot stick is much more direct. 01:53 < obscurite> it says in the abstract they had a control with motion 01:53 < kanzure> needles would work yes 01:53 * kanzure sleeps for real this time 01:53 < Mokbortolan_> technically, I'm not interested in "activating regions" 01:53 < obscurite> kanzure, in this case they did isolate a region, but they seem to have arbitrarily placed importance on it 01:54 < Mokbortolan_> my interest is more in practical, actual improvement of real-world performance 01:54 < Mokbortolan_> using research as a guide, rather than an end 01:55 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:55 < Mokbortolan_> and I'm much more comfortable with faffing about with current limiters and woo-woo than I am with inserting needles into my brain :p 01:58 < Mokbortolan_> though I admit, criticizing from the sidelines is much safer socially than trying things and talking about it. 01:59 < Mokbortolan_> Wouldn't want to endanger our hard-won rung on the monkey ladder :p 01:59 < Mokbortolan_> +S 01:59 < Mokbortolan_> err.. +s 02:05 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:10 -!- Tarara_BoomD_Yay [~gennosuke@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:14 < Mokbortolan_> Heya ThomasEgi 03:17 < ThomasEgi> mornin? 04:17 -!- Tarara_BoomD_Yay [~gennosuke@unaffiliated/exiff] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:18 -!- Tarara_BoomD_Yay [~gennosuke@dsl-243-64-46.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- Tarara_BoomD_Yay [~gennosuke@dsl-243-64-46.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Client Quit] 04:22 -!- Tarara_BoomD_Yay [~gennosuke@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 < Mokbortolan_> ThomasEgi: more or less 04:28 < Mokbortolan_> you still there? 04:28 < ThomasEgi> nope 04:28 < ThomasEgi> i gotta go now 04:28 < Mokbortolan_> d'oh 04:29 < Mokbortolan_> just wanted to see if you wanted an invite to /r/neuromod 04:29 < Mokbortolan_> you designed a tDCS circuit a while back, I was wondering if you had any interest in putting it to use to advance your professional work 04:29 < ThomasEgi> tell me later about it.. in like.. 2 weeks when i'll be back with time 04:29 < Mokbortolan_> Ok 04:29 < ThomasEgi> my professional work? :D 04:30 < Mokbortolan_> well, the idea is to take what we're learning about things like tDCS and tMS and apply them to, well, the stuff we do for a living 04:30 < Mokbortolan_> so instead of making reporters draw nice cats, you'd make creative leaps that change the course of human history 04:30 < ThomasEgi> if you want a tDCS you should head to biohack.me there is a thread about it where a guy named rdb posetd a microcontroller based tdcs system 04:30 < ThomasEgi> i helped out with that one. 04:30 < ThomasEgi> it's by far more sophisticated that my small circuit i slammed together in 5 minutes 04:30 < Mokbortolan_> ooh, yeah, I've been looking at that and the OpenStim project 04:31 < Mokbortolan_> yep, I'm plotting a sort of HD-tDCS 04:31 < Mokbortolan_> but I will definitely check that out, thanks 04:31 < ThomasEgi> allready in work by that other guy^ 04:31 < Mokbortolan_> there are a few at it 04:31 < ThomasEgi> i am doing circuits and programming as professional work already tho. 04:31 < ThomasEgi> no drawing cats here^ 04:31 < Mokbortolan_> hehehe 04:31 < ThomasEgi> altho cats are cute 04:31 < Mokbortolan_> indeed 04:32 < Mokbortolan_> that's just an example 04:32 < ThomasEgi> so. i gotta go. helping someone out with digital signal processing 04:32 < Mokbortolan_> sure you can make test subjects immediately identify primes, but can it help you program? 04:32 < Mokbortolan_> Ok, ttyl 04:32 < Mokbortolan_> thanks for the tip 04:32 < ThomasEgi> tdcs? 04:32 < ThomasEgi> i don't use it 04:32 < Mokbortolan_> gotcha 04:32 < ThomasEgi> my brain is awesome enough without it 04:32 < Mokbortolan_> understood 04:32 < ThomasEgi> *awesomeface* 04:33 < ThomasEgi> so yeah. catch me again in 2 weeks when i'll be back from holiday 04:33 < ThomasEgi> till then. have a nice time 04:33 < Mokbortolan_> Ok, have a good time 04:33 < Mokbortolan_> don't catch any veneral diseases 04:33 < Mokbortolan_> venereal 04:33 < ThomasEgi> if anything. i'll get attackt by wolves or bears :D 04:33 < Mokbortolan_> I hear wolves got the clap 04:34 < ThomasEgi> anyway 04:34 < Mokbortolan_> :p 04:34 < ThomasEgi> cya^ 04:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:54 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:54 -!- rdb [~rdb@panda3d/developer/rdb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:37 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@22.67.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:20 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- kendoka [60f1a5a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.241.165.164] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:40 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58 < kendoka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-kY9zBXTiQ 06:59 < kendoka> rTMS cures aspies 07:06 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 < nmz787> kanzure: around? 07:18 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:21 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:33 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:33 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:44 -!- Tukotih1 is now known as Tukotih 07:55 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:55 -!- augur_ [~augur@206.196.187.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:57 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- drguildo [~drguildo@w-226.cust-6392.ip.static.uno.uk.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:00 < kanzure> kendoka: there are many rtms claims.. http://superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Magnetic%20Stimulation/ 08:01 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: you seem to assume that hypnosis automatically means improvement? what? 08:04 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: i know you think we're worthless but we actually do have some experience with the openstim project -_- 08:18 < kendoka> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22083896 08:18 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 < kendoka> does this stuff only work on T-Cells? 08:21 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:21 < kanzure> rdb: hi 08:21 < kanzure> rdb: someone was looking for you 08:21 < rdb> kanzure, yeah, I talked to him already 08:21 < rdb> thanks anyway though 08:22 < kanzure> kendoka: it says fibroblasts too 08:22 < kendoka> yeah i saw that 08:23 < kendoka> the extract is sold under the name TA-65 08:24 < kanzure> hi drguildo 08:26 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: i think it's inappropriate of you to set that group as private 08:27 < drguildo> hi 08:30 < kanzure> what brings you here? 08:31 < drguildo> #reddit-nootropics :-) 08:35 < Urchin> nootropics tend to get popular around exams 08:36 < Urchin> or deadlines in general 08:36 < drguildo> i've been interested in them for years to varying degrees 08:36 < drguildo> i think i found out about them after i'd graduated 08:37 < kanzure> eww guys this guy graduated 08:37 < drguildo> B-) 08:43 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-62.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-62.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:47 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 -!- kendoka [60f1a5a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.241.165.164] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:13 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:23 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:35 -!- ParahSailin [~eg@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:40 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:48 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- drguildo [~drguildo@w-226.cust-6392.ip.static.uno.uk.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 09:53 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@71-34-207-82.omah.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:56 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: you think so? 09:56 < Mokbortolan_> you might be right.. perhaps I should set it to "members submit only" 09:56 < kanzure> which comment are you responding to 09:56 < kanzure> ok 09:56 < Mokbortolan_> I'm also concerned with some of the stuff I see on the tDCS reddit 09:57 < kanzure> broken stuff? 09:57 < Mokbortolan_> broken designs hurting people 09:57 < kanzure> have there been injury reports? 09:57 < Mokbortolan_> not yet 09:58 < Mokbortolan_> honestly I think the risk of injury is fairly low given the wide experimentally-derived safety profile, but more learned folks than I are being very, very cautious 09:58 < Mokbortolan_> sorry if I mash up my terms, I'm a little sleep deprived 09:58 < kanzure> an easy test in the case of ultrasound transducers is buying some meat from a grocery store and targetting it 09:59 < kanzure> you can then examine the damage by slicing the meat and looking with a magnifying glass or microscope 09:59 < kanzure> i suppose the same might work for tdcs 09:59 < Mokbortolan_> well, they've done that with rats 09:59 < Mokbortolan_> man, "they" do *everything* 09:59 < kanzure> but this won't immediately give you an indication for pain (although it might show you where the majority of interaction occurs) 10:00 < kanzure> actually, the tdcs mechanism isn't heat, so there wouldn't be heat damage 10:00 < kanzure> hrmm 10:00 < Mokbortolan_> that data suggests an "order of magnitude" difference between risk and effectiveness 10:00 < Mokbortolan_> at least for rats 10:00 < Mokbortolan_> rats are pretty tough little guys 10:00 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: have you read this yet? https://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs 10:00 < Mokbortolan_> probably, but I will read it again, for you! 10:01 < kanzure> huh? 10:01 < Mokbortolan_> yep, read that, and the study (abstract, probably) that refers to the "two orders of magnitude" 10:02 < kanzure> i'm not sure what you are talking about. what is the actual dimensional measurement of magnitude in that statement? 10:03 < nmz787> tcds is magnets or current? 10:03 < Mokbortolan_> Using a rat model, researchers investigated the safety limits of extended cathodal tDCS and found the charge density threshold to be two orders of magnitude greater than the charge currently administered in humans (Liebetanz et al., 2009).  10:03 < kanzure> nmz787: magnetic stimulation is magnets. direct current stimulation is DC. 10:04 < nmz787> tdcs seems limited to the outer layer of brain though, no? 10:04 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: have you used tdcs yet? all of the reports i have heard is that it is always accompanied by extreme pain. 10:05 < kanzure> nmz787: here's some info on targetting.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/A%20novel%20array-type%20transcranial%20direct%20current%20stimulation%20(tDCS)%20system%20for%20accurate%20focusing%20on%20targeted%20brain%20areas%20-%202011.pdf 10:05 < Mokbortolan_> hahahah 10:05 < Mokbortolan_> yes, I have used a simple design, battery + potentiometer 10:05 < Mokbortolan_> with an ammeter inline 10:05 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@ulmg-5d846fca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 < Mokbortolan_> I did not experience extreme pain, merely a few flashes of light and the occasional metallic taste when the positioning slipped 10:07 < Mokbortolan_> I doubt that extreme pain is a common occurrence, otherwise I would suspect that there would be fewer studies for things other than major depression, where it might be worth it to the patient as an investigative technique 10:07 < kanzure> i think the person who mentioned this to me was using it for muscle stimulation, which would explain some of the pain 10:07 < kanzure> (muscle pain can be bad) 10:07 < Mokbortolan_> err 10:08 < Mokbortolan_> low-frequency stimulation causing pain? 10:08 < Mokbortolan_> (.003hz) 10:08 < nmz787> kanzure: that doesn't give a range or max depth 10:08 < kanzure> nmz787: true! but it's also the only paper i've found that gets close to answering that question. 10:09 < Mokbortolan_> I have read the abstracts of a few russion studies that suggest that extreme pain is actually a treatment for major depression 10:10 < Mokbortolan_> but that's neither here nor there, just my brain making random connections between words and memories 10:10 < Mokbortolan_> of course, getting whipped by an attractive nurse may have had something to do with those results 10:11 < Mokbortolan_> though that doesn't address the injections of ... I think it was.. "peach pit oil"? 10:15 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: do you have some papers i can add to a collection? 10:16 < Mokbortolan_> the few I have I acquired through the generous members of this room :) 10:16 < Mokbortolan_> which topic are you referring to, the russian ones or the ones I've been gathering since yesterday regarding the NeuroMod project? 10:16 < kanzure> this is all i have: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/tdcs/ 10:17 < Mokbortolan_> I have a few to throw on the heap, but I need to collect them 10:17 * Mokbortolan_ uses a fair number of computers and hasn't been good about collecting the papers in a central place. 10:18 < Mokbortolan_> Oh, I've posted a fair few on /r/tDCS 10:18 < Mokbortolan_> let me get you those 10:19 < kanzure> hrm i should organize things better.. 10:19 < kanzure> i've moved working-memory-related articles in here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/working-memory/ 10:20 < Mokbortolan_> http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/20/1/205.full 10:21 < Mokbortolan_> I'll snag the links, but here's all I've posted so far: http://www.reddit.com/r/tDCS/search?q=moktarino&restrict_sr=on 10:21 -!- chevbird [45ad435a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.173.67.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:22 < Mokbortolan_> bah, mediafire yanked the ones I hosted there 10:34 < kanzure> nmz787: hi 10:34 < kanzure> nmz787: apparently we have someone from hackmanhattan in here now (obscurite) 10:34 < kanzure> erm, i mean, daniel 10:35 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:36 < Mokbortolan_> neat perception of time article: http://www.andyross.net/eagleman.htm 10:36 < Mokbortolan_> apparently, time doesn't slow down during traumatic events, you just remember them in higher resolution 10:37 < nmz787> cool 10:37 < nmz787> obscurite: you go to hackmanhattan? 10:37 < Mokbortolan_> I was really hoping the opposite would be true, but no 10:37 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: you might be interested in these: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/time-perception/ 10:39 < Mokbortolan_> I just want to induce "bullet time" :( 10:39 * Mokbortolan_ is all about the Benjamins. 10:39 < ThomasEgi> Mokbortolan_, i may want to add that preceiption of time, in generall, is can variate a lot. 10:40 < ThomasEgi> i know several situations where i can trick my brain into working faster. doing the same task at normal speed makes verything run in slow-motion for 5 to 15 minutes. 10:41 < ThomasEgi> pretty usefull for playing games where fast reaction is demanded :) too bad it doesn't last the entire match 10:41 < ThomasEgi> also works the other way round :) 10:41 < Mokbortolan_> I've heard of a professional european squash player who teaches that 10:41 < kanzure> jrayhawk also calls this velocitation (like after driving on a highway) 10:41 < kanzure> i think velocitation can possibly be induced by visual images on a computer screen, but i'm not sure yet 10:42 < ThomasEgi> it is pretty easy to test out. 10:42 < kanzure> possibly by the "star trek" "screensaver", but i don't remember feeling velocitated after staring at that 10:42 < ThomasEgi> like. unreal tournament 2k4 has a game-mod that allows you to set the game-speed. play on twice the game speed for a while, switch back to normal 10:42 < ThomasEgi> and everything will be ultra-slow-motion 10:42 < Mokbortolan_> that is the sort of thing that can be induced through hypnosis 10:42 < kanzure> the game engine can realistically do everything 2x? 10:43 < ThomasEgi> sure 10:43 < ThomasEgi> you can crank it up even faster 10:43 < ThomasEgi> it won't render faster 10:43 < kanzure> all my collision detection algorithms always tax my processors 10:43 < ThomasEgi> but all actions and animations run faster 10:43 < kanzure> (maybe i shouldn't write game engines) 10:43 < ThomasEgi> it is the same ammount of processing 10:43 < kanzure> oh is it skipping animation frames? 10:43 < ThomasEgi> it is not bound to fixed frames anywa 10:44 < ThomasEgi> it interpolates between frames to match the correct time. 10:44 < ThomasEgi> doesn't matter where in the streams of frames you are. 10:44 < kanzure> hmm 10:44 < ThomasEgi> it still has to calculate 60 frames per second 10:44 < ThomasEgi> the time in the gameplay is just a variable 10:44 < Mokbortolan_> if you can induce it once, you can remember it through guided trance, then reference that process directly and induce it later with suggestion 10:45 < ThomasEgi> it's a really impressive effect. i can highly recommend to give it a try, given you are fps-gamer. 10:46 < Mokbortolan_> or you could just play Doom II 10:46 < ThomasEgi> not sure if it has gamespeed modification 10:46 < kanzure> oh, speaking of time perception 10:46 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/time-perception/Why+time+appears+to+speed+up+with+age.html 10:46 < Mokbortolan_> the "updated" version (zDoom, last I checked) has the speed cranked all the way up 10:46 < kanzure> the "effective life percentage" needs to be tested 10:46 < Mokbortolan_> it's like being a pinball with a shotgun 10:46 < kanzure> by electroshocking some old man and seeing if his time perception is still fucked up in his 80s 10:47 < Mokbortolan_> everybody runs at the same speed as rockets 10:47 -!- chevbird [45ad435a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.173.67.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47 < kanzure> (e.g. induce amnesia) 10:47 < Mokbortolan_> so you shoot rockets at speed, and run next to them 10:47 < ThomasEgi> hehe sounds fun 10:47 < ThomasEgi> the other extreme of time preception is just as interestin 10:47 < ThomasEgi> when the body slows down all it's functionality. 10:48 < ThomasEgi> time passes a lot faster than one would think 10:48 < nmz787> http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2012/06/drugs.jpg 10:48 < ThomasEgi> even without falling asleep 10:48 < nmz787> butane! 10:49 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@71-34-207-82.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49 < ThomasEgi> no news^ still acohol and tabaco are legal 10:50 < ThomasEgi> economic pressure on politics i guess 10:51 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@75-163-80-58.omah.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@75-163-80-58.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:51 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < kanzure> i miss ruphos already 11:05 < Urchin> who? 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16:02 < superkuh> I can't say I contributed much either, but yeah. 16:02 < dascancer> hola 16:03 < superkuh> I don't recall a switching topology ever even being decided on. Just lots of discussion of coil testing protocol and optimization. 16:03 < superkuh> But I was out of the loop after a few months. 16:04 < kanzure> superkuh: it might interest you to know that around 2009 ed was telling me at some conference that he was sorta looking for some grad student to take on the project (though i don't know how serious he was); just seemed sort of disinterested in it. 16:05 < kanzure> dascancer: what brings you here? 16:06 < dascancer> 1.: In calculus bored 2: biohacking sounds cool but its all over myhead 16:06 < kanzure> dascancer: high school or college calculus? 16:06 < dascancer> college 16:06 < kanzure> uh you know you can just walk out, right? 16:07 < dascancer> Yeah but there is a test next class so i wanna get any hints he likes to throw at the end. 16:11 < Steel2> dascancer, what school/major, if you're comfortable with that? 16:12 < dascancer> Cell Bio sophmore small school 16:13 < Steel2> cool 16:13 < Steel2> kanzure will be happy to have more real bio around here :P 16:14 < dascancer> meh im not there yet give me a year or 2 16:16 < kanzure> kendoka: you might also be interested in looking through the logs of the open-rtms mailing list 16:16 < kanzure> iirc even less work got done on there than openstim 16:19 < dascancer> So this may be more of a common question but would you call transhumanism a sort of religion 16:19 < kanzure> no 16:19 < kanzure> it's just a bad way of saying "personal technological enhancement" 16:21 < kendoka> i'd like to find some plans for a cheap h-coil design 16:22 < dascancer> So more of a blending of human an tech? 16:23 < kanzure> kendoka: try here? http://superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Magnetic%20Stimulation/ 16:24 < kanzure> kendoka: and bug superkuh a bunch 16:24 < kanzure> these two in particular: 16:24 < kanzure> http://superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Magnetic%20Stimulation/Coil%20Design%20of%20Repetitive%20Transcranial%20Magnetic%20Stimulation%20System%20for%20Small%20Animal_%20etd-0721108-140106.pdf 16:24 < kanzure> http://superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Magnetic%20Stimulation/A%20Transcranial%20Magnetic%20Stimulation%20Coil%20Using%20Rectangular%20Braided%20Litz%20Wire_%20M%20Talebinejad_%20S%20Musallam_%20A%20E%20Marble.pdf 16:30 < kendoka> thanks for the paper; abstract is in chinese though 16:30 < kanzure> never a better time to learn 16:30 < kendoka> its ok though i decided to take up mandarin 16:30 < kendoka> learning 1 ideogram a day 16:30 < kendoka> 10000 more to go 16:30 < kanzure> that's the spirit :) 16:40 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@203.48.101.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@203.48.101.90] has quit [Client Quit] 16:50 < dascancer> Like I said right now im really more of a "biology is cool" person but would it be possible to program bacteria to function as sort of bacteria neural net 16:53 < kendoka> that just keeps exponentially growing ? :) 16:54 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 16:54 < kendoka> im reminded of the countermeasure fungus thing in a Vernor Vinge book. 16:56 < dascancer> well a colony can only get so big 16:59 < dascancer> The idea would be sort of a small microbe brain 16:59 < kendoka> under the right conditions it could become quite extensive; like those algae biofuel farms 17:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 < kendoka> chemical signalling is one thing; generating action potentials is another 17:03 < Steel2> hey eudox 17:03 < eudoxia> yo steel 17:03 < eudoxia> hey dascancer 17:03 < dascancer> hiya 17:05 < dascancer> Would there be any need for action potentials? There could be some sort of neuron model used... 17:06 < eudoxia> what do you mean? 17:09 < dascancer> Well instead of using ions and what not why not just chemical signaling arranged in such a way to mimic a neuron model 17:09 < eudoxia> don't neurons use ions for communication? 17:10 < dascancer> yes, but bacteria can use many things 17:11 < eudoxia> mimic a neuron using some other form of chemical communication? 17:11 < dascancer> yes 17:12 < kanzure> there are many forms of chemical signals 17:13 < kanzure> but in general it would probably be faster to just use dna transcription or rna transcription as a signaller rather than hacking up some g-signalling pathway 17:13 < kanzure> dascancer: pardon me for asking, but what exactly are they teaching you if not these things? you said you're a cell bio major? 17:15 < dascancer> well I just finished up my first bio class lol, Im barely a sophomore 17:16 < Mokbortolan_> ooh, good stuff 17:18 < dascancer> gotta get the core classes out first 17:22 < dascancer> Ill read up on cell communication but yeah it was an idea i read somewhere an just wondering if it was possible 17:34 -!- kendoka [60f1a5a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.241.165.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 17:40 -!- dascancer [~ponzische@168.28.22.70] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:51 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- klafka [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:01 < kanzure> hi klafka 18:22 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-198-148.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:37 < kanzure> welcome back 18:38 < JayDugger> Aww... 18:40 < kanzure> where have you been? 18:40 < JayDugger> Tending my off-line life. Don't get one if you can help it. 18:41 < kanzure> i hear its costly 18:41 < JayDugger> That matches my experience. 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Microfluidics enables large-scale studies that provide the means to better understand, prevent, and treat human disease. Paul Blainey will discuss the promise of using microfluidics to transform our industrial infrastructure to operate more efficiently, 20:10 < chevbird> while protecting the natural environment. 20:11 < kanzure> there's also a george church / drew endy / gershenfeld powwow on microfluidics, that might have been last week actually.. 20:15 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:48 < kanzure> 20:48 < SubStack> kanzure: http://github.com/dominictarr https://github.com/maxogden https://github.com/isaacs are some of my favs 20:48 < kanzure> http://github.com/substack 20:50 < kanzure> https://github.com/dominictarr/mux-demux 21:00 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:30 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:33 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-144-57.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:53 -!- lichen_ is now known as lichen 21:59 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-144-57.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:02 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Jul 10 00:00:04 2012