--- Log opened Wed Jul 11 00:00:05 2012 00:03 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:05 < yashterdam> nmz787 - I don't see a-galactosidase causing any untoward effects on gut bacteria, it's like adult lactase expression 00:06 < yashterdam> (I don't actually know if he reads the logs but I'm still putting it here) 00:07 < yashterdam> anyway it's not exactly a super-edgy SL5 mod but I thought I'd throw it in there 00:10 < yashterdam> there seems to be an annoying lack of "we gave some mice an extra copy of p53 and made them smoke a bunch of cigarettes" studies 00:10 < yashterdam> hopefully once the 1000 cancer genomes project comes out there'll be a solid half-dozen list of commonly mutated genes that would be good to duplicate 00:46 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:49 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49 < bkero> Have there been any hints at to which genes they might have identified? 01:05 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:18 < yashterdam> bkero: p53 is the canonical one, though there are likely to be several more, albeit probably more specific to particular cancers 01:25 -!- ParahSailin [~eg@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:51 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: off to naarden] 02:58 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:42 -!- Thorbinator is now known as Abinator 03:44 -!- Abinator is now known as Thorbinator 03:52 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:01 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:20 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:34 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@22.67.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:19 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:30 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:57 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:10 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:21 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:30 -!- ParahSailin [~eg@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:33 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00 < kanzure> yashterdam: how's life as a foreigner? 08:00 < yashterdam> man there's more foreigners here than in, like, foreignland 08:01 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:03 < yashterdam> I tried to go see the vrolik museum but it's closed :( 08:03 < kanzure> my grandma is so weird. "BRYAN, HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS GITHUB THING? I THINK YOU SHOULD TRY IT." 08:04 < foucist> you grandma is cool 08:06 < kanzure> i'm gonna try to get her a github account 08:06 < kanzure> "Proceedings of the Thirteenth International Conference on the Simulation and Synthesis of Living Systems" http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/full_pdfs/Artificial_Life_13.pdf 08:08 < foucist> when i was younger i got my grandma to read fountainhead and atlas shrugged lol 08:08 < foucist> and other books too 08:09 < kanzure> that sounds terrible 08:09 < kanzure> ayn rand is the last thing i'd feed to a grandmother 08:09 < foucist> sure.. well it's high status to make fun of ayn rand 08:10 < kanzure> she keeps sending me things like github and singularity university and makerbot stuff 08:10 < foucist> nice 08:10 < kanzure> but i don't really talk to her much 08:10 < foucist> guess she's good with a computer? 08:10 < kanzure> no 08:10 < foucist> mine pretty much plays solitaire only 08:10 < foucist> and email 08:10 < chido> mine couldn't use a cell phone 08:11 < foucist> once she saw me talking on irc 08:11 < foucist> and complained about everyone butchering the english language 08:12 < yashterdam> mine sent me a link to an article about that ursolic acid research ^^ "have you heard of this journal plosone??" yes grandma 08:12 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:12 < kanzure> yes grandma, ugh, plosone is so old geeze 08:13 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:15 < foucist> heh 08:15 < ParahSailin> foucist: i moderate /r/Objectivism 08:15 < foucist> ParahSailin: ah 08:16 -!- gosmer [82ed755f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.237.117.95] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- gosmer [82ed755f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.237.117.95] has quit [Client Quit] 08:18 < foucist> ParahSailin: after reading half of peikoff's "objectivism: ayn rand's philosophy" i realized that it's really difficult, probably impossible, to come up with a rational philosophy without a rational language.. also that objectivism is missing a lot of new up to date revelations about human nature and such 08:19 < foucist> i have a lot of respect for objectivism/ayn rand, even if it got stuff wrong.. i always thought it should be developed like math.. improved on over time by others 08:19 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:21 < yashterdam> what new revelations have there been about human nature 08:22 < ParahSailin> rand had a lot of problems i agree 08:22 < foucist> i mean the stuff uncovered by the behavioral econ/sociology/psych guys 08:23 < ParahSailin> she tended to veer off into special sciences where she was woefully misinformed 08:23 < ParahSailin> as epistemology, it was a much needed update to aristotle 08:24 < yashterdam> I didn't think there'd been any breakthroughs since about 600bc 08:27 < foucist> ParahSailin: the first couple chapters of that book blew my mind though.. the _language_ specifically.. defining words by context/usage as it went, even repeating a sentence with different word having italics, and changing the meaning to get the idea accross accurately 08:28 < kanzure> i wish i had a reasonable anti ayn rand article to link to 08:29 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:30 < foucist> kanzure: i've seen some good ones 08:31 < foucist> kanzure: a lot of them are mostly ad hominem attacks though 08:31 < ParahSailin> roderick long is probably the best critic of rand 08:32 < yashterdam> ad hominem in the sense that she was hypocritical, or just 'lol she looks dumb'? 08:34 < ParahSailin> http://praxeology.net/Rand-colour6.pdf 08:34 < ParahSailin> http://www.cato-unbound.org/2010/01/20/roderick-long/the-winnowing-of-ayn-rand/ 08:40 < kanzure> oh good it cites kant 08:42 < ParahSailin> im pretty sure rand was really racist against germans 08:44 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:44 -!- augur [~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:47 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@adsl-75-36-47-117.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@adsl-75-36-47-117.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 09:06 < jrayhawk> Rand is much like Freud. A disturbing amount of what they both present is wrong, but they can both get some credit as pioneers of a potentially interesting intellectual discipline. 09:09 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 < jrayhawk> i suppose referring to her as "rand" is collectivist on my part. the individuals making up the society of organs referred to as "aynn rand" under her lungs done gone Galt. 09:10 < jrayhawk> s/aynn/ayn/ 09:10 < jrayhawk> s/under/until/ 09:15 < kanzure> "We believe in the power of iteration, we originally started out as StumbleMonkey, which was like AirBnb but for online-dating, so when you left town you could rent out your spouse or partner. Great idea, but then we found out it was illegal, so we had to pivot.. So we changed our name to Googoprrrrrr. That's 6 r's. And that app was like spotify, meets Grindr, but for rental cars, but ran as if it were for a hotel." 09:16 < kanzure> other than that i haven't found the vooza thing funny at all 09:17 < kanzure> http://vimeo.com/44424340 09:34 < kanzure> trying to find "A Nerve Ending That Has Been Broken Open (and Stained) To Reveal the Synaptic Vesicles Inside" 09:34 < kanzure> it's possibly this: http://www.cellimagelibrary.org/images/214 09:52 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 < foucist> jrayhawk: good analogy.. i don't have much respect for freud heh 10:27 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:43 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 < AdrianG> ok hi 11:47 < AdrianG> i want to make my own bacteria that produces a certain chemical 11:47 < AdrianG> how do i begin 11:47 < Mokbortolan_> 1. doctorate in biochemistry 11:49 < AdrianG> i have an engineering degree 11:50 < AdrianG> this will be my phd thesis 11:50 < rdb> look up on the guy who did this http://gizmodo.com/5885295/how-to-dna+hack-yogurt-into-prozac 11:50 < AdrianG> wat 11:50 < AdrianG> he made his yogurt make prozac ?? 11:50 < yashterdam> no 11:51 < rdb> the yogurt cultures, I would assume 11:51 < AdrianG> you know what i mean 11:52 < rdb> the guy also made pigeons poop soap 11:52 < rdb> which sounds quite useful actually 11:52 < Mokbortolan_> "The Yogurt of Apathy" 11:52 < rdb> oh, he also made his yogurt orange 11:52 < rdb> by letting the bacteria produce carotene too 11:53 < AdrianG> I am working in a similar direction 11:54 < rdb> perhaps you can read up somewhere how he did it 11:54 < rdb> an electroporator isn't all that difficult or expensive to make 11:54 < yashterdam> you can't because he didn't 11:54 < rdb> he didn't? 11:54 < yashterdam> no 11:55 < AdrianG> i thought of producing nootropics with GMO 11:55 < AdrianG> so that everyone can make their own 11:57 < yashterdam> that's going to be far more expensive than buying it 11:58 < yashterdam> at least for things like choline or whatever that are already naturally produced 11:58 < yashterdam> for something like piracetam it'd just be straight-up impossible 12:00 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:00 < AdrianG> why impossible 12:00 < AdrianG> what about things that occur naturally liek caffeine, nicotine, ephedrine 12:00 < AdrianG> u just order dna, amirite? 12:00 < yashterdam> piracetam is synthesized chemically, there's no biosynthetic pathway to "hack" into bacteria 12:01 < yashterdam> sure if you want 1 milligram of caffeine per gram of bacteria, which you'd have to purify out unless you want a cup of basically-just-shit every morning 12:01 < yashterdam> in which case you're better off purifying it out of X plant that's good at producing it 12:01 < AdrianG> well how are yeast able to produce ethanol so efficiently 12:02 < yashterdam> efficient? the ethanol is a byproduct, that's like using humans to produce urea 12:03 < kanzure> rdb: that yogurt/prozac thing was a scam, shame on you for linking that 12:03 < rdb> sorry, I had no idea 12:04 < AdrianG> :o 12:04 < AdrianG> it was ?! 12:04 < kanzure> his yogurt wasn't producing prozac 12:04 < kanzure> AdrianG: have you picked the chemical you want to produce? or do you not care? 12:04 < yashterdam> I like how all his other 'projects' are "oh we'll make these yeast and you add your blood to them and then SYNTHETIC BIOLOGY and they do magic" 12:05 < AdrianG> kanzure: simple amines would be a good start 12:05 < AdrianG> i am interested in the underlying challenges of synthesizing on demand 12:05 < kanzure> i'm p. sure there's lots of ammonia pathways in bacteria 12:05 < AdrianG> enzyme design? 12:06 < yashterdam> 1. doctorate in biochemistry 12:06 < kanzure> mokbor-- 12:06 < AdrianG> well, ephedra sinica poops out tons of ephedrine 12:06 < AdrianG> why cant my yeast do taht 12:06 < yashterdam> scoop'd 12:06 < kanzure> AdrianG: do you remember any of the traditional metabolic pathways? like for anaerobic respiration or shit like that? 12:06 < yashterdam> they can but that would take a shitton of research to optimize when you could just grow ma huang for ~$0 12:07 < AdrianG> kanzure: some yes, liek citric acid cycle etc 12:07 < AdrianG> yashterdam: if i wanted to grow ma huang, id be doing that right now 12:07 < Mokbortolan_> why go to the moon when it's cheaper to just look at it from here? 12:07 < AdrianG> ephedrine is just a good example for simple amines 12:07 < AdrianG> and tons of meds/pharma/etc is amine derivatives 12:08 < kanzure> on a related note, i find it really funny in retrospect that teachers had me memorizing things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CellRespiration.svg 12:08 < AdrianG> i just dont know of a better example 12:08 < yashterdam> mok my space program is facing significant delays but telescopes are 50% off on amazon 12:08 < kanzure> AdrianG: okay. so your best bet is to find things that already exist and manipulate those pathways. 12:08 < kanzure> KEGG tends to be an okay resource for looking at gene networks and pathways 12:09 < AdrianG> kanzure: so its all basically disruption of common pathways? 12:09 < kanzure> "it's all" what is it? 12:09 < yashterdam> not disruption, transplantation 12:09 < AdrianG> modifying GMO to produce your own stuff 12:10 < kanzure> there are some researchers that are working on de novo pathways but it's more like "do directed evolution for 5 years and hope they get close" 12:10 < AdrianG> ic 12:10 < kanzure> but yes most of the successes in pathway engineering have been transplantation-related 12:10 < kanzure> and then maybe some optimization after transplanting to get the shit to work better, or something 12:11 < yashterdam> whoooooole lotta tweaking 12:11 < AdrianG> so basically if your target chemical does not exist already, its basically not worth it? 12:11 < AdrianG> :< 12:11 < kanzure> "hey this pathway can now work in 1/100th celsius cooler environments!" 12:12 < kanzure> well it really depends on the type of chemical.. proteins tend to be easy to get organisms to build, but you probably don't mean "protein" when you say "chemical" 12:12 < kanzure> gotta love me some protein 12:13 < kanzure> AdrianG: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Expanding%20the%20repertoire%20of%20biofuel%20alternatives%20through%20metabolic%20pathway%20evolution.pdf 12:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Enhancement%20of%20lipid%20production%20using%20biochemical,%20genetic%20and%20transcription%20factor%20engineering%20approaches.pdf 12:14 < kanzure> (these aren't the best "synthetic biology" papers i could link you to on this subject, though) 12:14 < kanzure> in fact, wtf i seem to have no synthetic biology folder 12:15 < yashterdam> aight kanz I'll let you take over because jetlag 12:15 -!- yashterdam [~fff@a83-163-200-130.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:15 < kanzure> don't leave me, i'm in mathy mode right now :( 12:15 < rdb> huh, that directory on that site contains a lot of cool stuff 12:15 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f7accdc surface intersection algorithms 12:22 < kanzure> rdb: thanks 12:23 < kanzure> rdb: also try these http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/polymerase 12:23 < kanzure> and http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro 12:23 < rdb> yeah, I looked around a bit there 12:23 < rdb> in the parent directory 12:24 < rdb> yeah, I saw some interesting tDCS material there too 12:26 < kanzure> also consider neuro/ultrasound as an alternative to tdcs 12:27 < rdb> interesting 12:42 < kanzure> klafka: http://webspeeddatingdev.eventbrite.com/ 12:52 < ParahSailin> uh oh, just found myself using a goto 12:54 < kanzure> the only solution is to burn your computer and never look back 12:55 < ParahSailin> this function should be recursive 12:55 < ParahSailin> how many clock cycles is a new stack frame call 13:05 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: d'ye think ....tUS(?) could be aimed at a deep brain structure by using multiple converging emitters? 13:06 < kanzure> let's just write out 'transcranial ultrasound' for the searchfairies and for my sanity 13:06 < kanzure> instead of tus 13:07 < kanzure> but yes there have been clinical trials of a phased array of transmitters 13:07 < Mokbortolan_> sounds like it'd be a bit more straightforward than modelling current paths 13:08 < kanzure> .. they used it for melting a brain region, but let's imagine that our goals are less nefarious. 13:08 < rdb> heh. let's. 13:08 < AdrianG> no. let's not. 13:09 < kanzure> AdrianG: so you're pro-brain-melting? :) 13:09 < AdrianG> It is all I do. 13:09 < AdrianG> for now, I am practising on my own brain. 13:34 < Mokbortolan_> can anybody find "Ultrasonic neuromodulation by brain stimulation with transcranial ultrasound" for me? 13:35 < Mokbortolan_> it's in "nature protocols" 13:35 < AdrianG> Mokbortolan_: ask rand 13:36 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: http://neurotrek.com/pdf/Nature_Protocols_-_Ultrasonic_neuromodulation_by_brain_stimulation_with_transcranial_ultrasound.pdf 13:38 < Mokbortolan_> thanks! 13:38 < Mokbortolan_> you know, I didn't even google it 13:38 * Mokbortolan_ is ashamed. 13:38 < AdrianG> u sick bastard :o 13:39 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 < kanzure> oh neat, the auditory hallucinations one is cool 13:43 < AdrianG> there is an entire book on that 13:44 < AdrianG> Jan_Dirk_Blom,_Iris_E.C._Sommer_eds._Hallucinations_Research_and_Practice__2012.pdf 13:46 < kanzure> an entire book on ultrasound-induced auditory hallucinations? 13:46 < Mokbortolan_> I like the microwave auditory effect 13:46 < Mokbortolan_> that's a neat one 13:47 < AdrianG> kanzure: on hallucinations 13:47 < AdrianG> a good chunk is on auditory 13:47 < Mokbortolan_> you could do it with consumer-grade hardware too, but not without a major firmware rewrite 14:00 < nmz787> AdrianG: where can I find that PDF? 14:01 < AdrianG> on my computer 14:02 < nmz787> 2012 is a new edition? 14:02 < AdrianG> its teh only one i have 14:02 < nmz787> avaxhome has a 2011 ed 14:02 < nmz787> oh, i guess they have multiple 14:07 < nmz787> anyone here have experience with e-ink readers? 14:07 < AdrianG> nop 14:08 < Mokbortolan_> I have a little 14:08 < Mokbortolan_> they're fragile 14:08 < Mokbortolan_> surprisingly fragile 14:08 < Mokbortolan_> at least mine was 14:09 < nmz787> like your screen cracked? 14:12 < Mokbortolan_> yep 14:12 < Mokbortolan_> useless afterward 14:12 < Mokbortolan_> can't get replacement screens 14:16 < AdrianG> which one u had 14:16 < Mokbortolan_> PRT-350SC 14:16 < Mokbortolan_> catchy name, right? 14:16 < Mokbortolan_> sorry, PRS-350SC 14:17 < AdrianG> interesting 14:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 < nmz787> Mokbortolan_: is that a Sony? 14:25 < nmz787> I just read a Wired comparison article and it looks like the Kobo is pretty nice 14:27 < nmz787> they even have a $20 discount if you get it with ads 14:30 * bkero got a nook simple touch 14:30 < bkero> Cheap, touchscreen, small, excellent battery life, epub support 14:33 < Mokbortolan_> I got my money out of it ($150 a the time, a steal!) 14:34 < Mokbortolan_> I just use cheap android tablets for reading 14:34 < Mokbortolan_> battery is bit more of a pain, but I can read more formats 14:37 < nmz787> i am interested specifically in e-ink readers, as I feel better after reading print vs lit screen 14:37 < Mokbortolan_> there's gonna be some color e-ink coming out in Q4, I hear 14:40 < Mokbortolan_> prices'll drop like a rock then I bet 14:41 < nmz787> bkero: can you comfortably read with one hand? 14:41 < kanzure> css profiling http://perfectionkills.com/ 14:50 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7af3e1b add notes on TVCG09 14:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2d3ff87 just some other notes 14:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d0acd78 watertight nurbs paper 14:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3b9e24d attempt to fix markdown issues 14:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: df7755b struggling with markdown 14:57 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 15:17 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 15:59 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@22.67.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:27 < kanzure> http://pstevensonkeating.co.uk/portfolio/handcrafted-particle-accelerator 16:27 < kanzure> "The piece consists of a series of organically-shaped hand-blown glass bulbs – each attached to a pump via a tube to create a vacuum. When the button is pushed, a voltage of 45,000V is applied across two electrodes. The huge potential difference forces the electrons to gather at the tip of the brass cathode tube inside the rubber bung." 16:27 < kanzure> "When the opposite voltage is applied to the anode disc at the other end of the internal tube, it rips the electrons, accelerating them towards the end of the glass bulb. As the electrons reach the disc, they begin to collide, losing energy and emitting some of this as visible light." 16:27 < kanzure> "Some, however, accelerate through the anode dics, and collide with the phosphorus lining of the glass vessel. This reaction causes photons of light to be released, resulting in visible specks of light." 16:30 < AdrianG> lol 16:34 < bkero> nmyes 16:48 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-192-117.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 < nmz787> go DTRA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantubek 17:22 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:57a0:e6de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@2607:f358:1:fed5:22:0:57a0:e6de] has quit [Changing host] 17:22 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 < ParahSailin_> formerly one of the four largest lakes in the world, now almost dry from soviet agriculture 17:51 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:54 < JayDugger> Nice quotes, kanzure. Why do you study cathode ray tubes? Sony, er...who did they sell that to, VDC, maybe, will sell you very nice ones for a few thousand dollars. 17:56 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-192-117.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:24 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:30 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 18:32 -!- Sanky [~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 < kanzure> pasky: you should check out the .. oh screw it 18:36 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:36 < pasky> is that a title of something? 18:36 < pasky> :) 18:36 < kanzure> pasky: https://github.com/Sanky/pokecrystal/tree/czech 18:36 < kanzure> well i was wondering why i wasn't linking you 18:38 < Sanky> hi 18:38 < Sanky> that is, uhh, a thing 18:39 < Sanky> https://github.com/Sanky/pokecrystal/compare/master...czech and select files changed, nicer to look at 18:41 < pasky> awesome, great job! :) 18:42 < Sanky> heh, thanks 18:44 -!- warstin is now known as warzrobe 18:44 < pasky> hmm, i wish i'd figure this out when i was guerilla-translating games... (civ1 and transport tycoon and bits of adom :) - i was just editing the binaries but working with partially disassembled code makes so much more sense 18:45 < kanzure> pasky: plus... git 18:46 < Sanky> yeah, that's the standard way of doing things in the rom hacking parts 18:46 < pasky> git is nice, though not essential i'd say 18:46 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:47 < Sanky> it is essential if you don't want to have a thousand .bak files around :) 18:48 < Sanky> anyway, the best thing is you can do things the right way for once 18:48 < Sanky> best thing about a disasm, that is 18:49 < Sanky> that means respecting grammatical gender and cases 18:49 < pasky> yes 18:50 < pasky> i'd personally think main.asm must be harder to work with than many small files, though 18:50 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 < Sanky> there have been several calls to split it, but nobody's brave enough to do it 18:50 < Sanky> pokered's main.asm is even larger 18:52 < Sanky> anyway, I think I'll go get some sleep, see you sometime 18:52 < pasky> same here :) good night 18:53 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:54 < kanzure> "Betteridge's Law of Headlines is an adage that states, "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word 'no'"." oh fantastic 19:04 < Mokbortolan_> http://i.imgur.com/HQw43.jpg 19:04 < Mokbortolan_> whoops, wrong room 19:04 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 < nmz787> Mokbortolan_: good pic 19:18 < kanzure> brownies: 19:18 < kanzure> oops 19:18 < kanzure> ignore me 19:20 < Mokbortolan_> so, with tDCS... the anode side goes faster, the cathode side goes slower.... but, what happens spatially? is there a point between the two where the effect reverses? 19:20 < Mokbortolan_> I don't understand that part 19:25 < brownies> eh? 19:27 < Mokbortolan_> jeez science, make up your mind, is it the left or the right parietal lobe that maths it up? 19:43 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:46 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:50 < AdrianG> have u tried it yet Mokbortolan_ 19:53 < Mokbortolan_> not yet 19:53 < Mokbortolan_> I need to get a bit more wire 19:53 < Mokbortolan_> aaaand build some new electrodes 19:57 < AdrianG> you are going to fry your brainz :< 19:58 * Mokbortolan_ surreptitiously uploads a deadly firmware into AdrianG's microcontroller-controlled tDCS. 20:01 * Mokbortolan_ exploits AdrianG's cavalier attitude toward hardwired safety controls. 20:02 < Mokbortolan_> I'm going to try hitting both parietal lobes 20:05 < kanzure> you need a brain map 20:29 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:56 -!- klafka [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:59 < audy> Mokbortolan_ it's not genocide because Noah made a backup of all the genes 21:00 < nmz787> doh! 21:12 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:13 -!- Cat4D_ [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:15 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 < kanzure> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/382404735/RFID_sticker_supplier.html 21:16 < kanzure> $0.00000001/rfid-sticker 21:17 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18 -!- Cat4D_ [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:19 < kanzure> so they claim they can make 1.2 trillion/month 21:19 < kanzure> fascinating 21:25 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 < brownies> kanzure: sounds legit 21:32 < nmz787> kanzure: so each one is programmable or has a unique ID? 21:35 < kanzure> not sure, looks scammy 21:35 < kanzure> there's no way that's a real thing 21:41 < Mokbortolan_> I have a brain map 21:45 < kanzure> where 21:45 < Mokbortolan_> My buddy Atlas has it 21:46 < Mokbortolan_> ba-dum-bum 21:46 < Mokbortolan_> it's in my docs somewhere 21:46 < Mokbortolan_> I have to build a better document archival system for NeuroMod 21:46 < Mokbortolan_> something that'll store, index, and convert documents 21:50 < kanzure> neuromod - the hplusroadmap knockoff since 201x... just kidding 21:54 < Mokbortolan_> :p 21:58 -!- Cat4D_ [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:05 -!- Cat4D_ [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:05 < Mokbortolan_> so, does hplusroadmap have any other presence besides the chatroom? 22:05 < kanzure> we used to have a mailing list, but i broke it and people stopped caring 22:05 < Mokbortolan_> oh yeah 22:05 < kanzure> there was also a mediawiki installation, but now we have http://diyhpl.us/wiki 22:05 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:05 < kanzure> and http://diyhpl.us/cgit 22:07 < Mokbortolan_> neuromod has a chat room, but I intend for the bulk of the activity to occur on reddit and the library 22:07 < kanzure> why not in here? :( 22:07 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07 < Mokbortolan_> the bulk of the activity, or the chatting? 22:07 < kanzure> i mean, it's possible that you really don't like us or something 22:07 < kanzure> activity 22:07 < Mokbortolan_> chat is kind of ephemeral 22:08 < kanzure> 60 people/day is the most active transhumanist group ever 22:08 < Mokbortolan_> I know you have logs, but it's not the same 22:08 < kanzure> it sounds absurd, but look at the numbers 22:08 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:08 < kanzure> including the longest lived life 22:08 < kanzure> we didn't get here by sitting on our hands 22:08 < Mokbortolan_> hahaha 22:08 < Mokbortolan_> you got here by sitting on chat! 22:08 < Mokbortolan_> :p 22:08 < kanzure> oh wait, maybe we did 22:09 < Mokbortolan_> I totally like hplusroadmap 22:09 < Mokbortolan_> listen, it's not you, it's me 22:09 < Mokbortolan_> I have needs 22:09 < kanzure> you prefer redditors don't you -_- 22:10 < Mokbortolan_> look, I'm not going to deny that I'm attracted the reddit format 22:10 < Mokbortolan_> I mean, I like the chat thing too, but, it's just different 22:10 < kanzure> why do you think your forum will avoid the fate of all the other forums, including steel2's 22:11 < Mokbortolan_> I dunno, it might, it might not 22:11 < Mokbortolan_> but sometimes you just have to take chances in life 22:11 < nmz787> it does sound like it will splinter the cause 22:11 < Mokbortolan_> and also I intend on bankrolling and giving away HD-tDCS devices 22:12 < foucist> nmz787: nah.. there can never be enough splinters! 22:12 < foucist> the more splinters, the more robust the industry! 22:12 < kanzure> uhh 22:12 < kanzure> well, "nothing" fractured into a million pieces is still nothing i guess 22:13 < Mokbortolan_> let's not divide zeros, that never works out 22:13 < kanzure> betterhumans.com's form sucked, humanityplus' forums sucked, wta-talk sucked, extropy-chat didn't suck in the 80s but whatever 22:13 < kanzure> *forum 22:13 < kanzure> i disagree with the premise that increasing the number of sites i have to check will make my life better 22:15 < nmz787> in 80s nothing online sucked 22:15 < Mokbortolan_> I don't disagree 22:15 < nmz787> compared to before the 80s 22:15 < kanzure> nmz787: no i mean, the extropy-chat transhumanist content was orders of magnitude better than it is today 22:15 < kanzure> this was back when extropy-chat was hosted on the same magnetic tape as the gnu project 22:15 < kanzure> those bits counted! 22:16 < nmz787> lol 22:16 < foucist> in the 80s, the transhumanist BBS was the best 22:16 < kanzure> foucist: do you have a copy of that ? 22:16 < foucist> with 5600 members 22:16 < foucist> kanzure: no i'm making it up 22:16 < kanzure> oh. well i have extropy-chat archives that look pretty good contentwise. 22:17 < kanzure> but they all fizzled out. i'm pretty pissed. 22:17 < foucist> those bastards.. they probably grew up, had kids, and changed their priorities 22:17 < nmz787> so i'm flying to portland OR, and they have wifi on the plane for $12.... how do I share that wifi with my gf? 22:17 < kanzure> foucist: no, basically none of them had kids 22:17 < Mokbortolan_> nmz787: that'd be tough 22:17 < Mokbortolan_> I mean, it's technically possible 22:17 < kanzure> nmz787: a mac laptop has a checkbox for it 22:17 < Mokbortolan_> oh, from a pc 22:17 < kanzure> you can root your android phone and setup an adhoc wifi network i think 22:17 < Mokbortolan_> easy 22:18 < Mokbortolan_> yeah, but two ssids 22:18 < Mokbortolan_> ? 22:18 < Mokbortolan_> using a bluetooth DUN might be easier 22:18 < Mokbortolan_> unless there's an app 22:18 < kanzure> why would using linux on a phone be worse than using linux on a laptop? 22:18 < kanzure> what? 22:18 < foucist> i never successfully got bluetooth DUN/PAN working with two computers.. with one computer to my iphone, no problem.. 22:19 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:19 < nmz787> my phone is rooted 22:19 < foucist> nmz787: any chance you have an extra wifi dongle or some such 22:19 < nmz787> but then if I connect to the plane with phone, i could only USB tether 22:19 < foucist> yeah, usb ether to your laptop and then share from your laptop to your gf 22:20 < foucist> if you can get internet over usb for your lappy 22:20 < nmz787> if i tethered with USB, I might somehow be able to rebroadcast with my laptop, but yeah adhoc has never worked for me 22:20 < kanzure> adb doesn't do internet-over-usb 22:20 < foucist> nmz787: perhaps the reverse? internet to laptop, usb to phone, phone shares internet via wifi to gf 22:21 < Mokbortolan_> what kind of phone? 22:21 < foucist> can any phones act as proper wifi repeaters? 22:21 < Mokbortolan_> nmz787: I hope you enjoy Portland, it's sunny! 22:21 < nmz787> HTC evo 22:22 < nmz787> kanzure: i have an option in cyanogenmod that gives me USB tethered internet 22:22 < nmz787> so it must be some app 22:22 < nmz787> if not adb 22:22 < kanzure> i setup a workshop to operate off of a phone's wifi signal once (5 employees using the net by connecting to the phone's wifi) 22:22 < foucist> ASUS WL-330gE is a tiny portable wifi repeater.. can buy it for $30 or so 22:23 < nmz787> i'm not sure I can get internet on the phone via USB though 22:23 < kanzure> it's not usb 22:23 < kanzure> do this: phone to internet; laptop to phone 22:23 < kanzure> laptop to phone is via wifi 22:23 < kanzure> look at foxfi or something 22:23 < nmz787> if it only has one transceiver, how can it connect to plane and act as an AP too? 22:24 < foucist> kanzure: internet to phone via wifi, phone to laptop via wifi.. aka wifi repeater? 22:24 < kanzure> oh sorry not foxfi 22:24 < kanzure> use barnacle 22:24 < kanzure> download the free version of barnacle and play around with that 22:25 < nmz787> cyanogenmod has wifi AP hotspot already builtin 22:25 < nmz787> dont think i need barnacle 22:25 < nmz787> "Barnacle will act like a wireless router connecting its clients to the Internet via the phone's 3G (or 2G) mobile connection." 22:26 < nmz787> plane is wifi, not 3g 22:26 < kanzure> oops 22:27 < nmz787> bluetooth may be an option 22:28 < nmz787> shit, I could resell the plane's wifi 22:28 < nmz787> i bet that's against their TOS 22:30 < nmz787> CLOSED: http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?can=2&start=0&num=100&q=&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Version%20Model%20Network%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars%20Priority&groupby=&sort=&id=4272 22:30 < nmz787> this looks good at onset! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371345 22:32 < nmz787> "The current version of the application can’t forward low level ICMP packet (PING).  22:32 < nmz787> From Android Os point of vue, there is no internet connection." 22:38 < Mokbortolan_> so you've got a laptop and a phone 22:38 < Mokbortolan_> and you want to bridge wifi between them, with one device getting internet through another wifi connection 22:38 < Mokbortolan_> right? 22:39 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 22:41 < nmz787> umm 22:41 < nmz787> 2 laptops, airplane wifi AP, phone 22:42 < nmz787> I think that xda-developers tool works 22:42 < nmz787> though the cyanogenmod wifi hotspot wont turn on in "airplane mode" (mobile radio off) 22:42 < nmz787> so that may piss off the airplane ppl 22:42 < nmz787> and cause us to crash 22:42 < nmz787> but I think I'll have wifi while we're doing it! 22:43 < Mokbortolan_> ahh, ok, two laptops 22:43 < Mokbortolan_> that's easy then 22:43 < nmz787> but yeah, seems to work 22:43 < kanzure> yeah screw the phones, just use the laptops :P 22:43 < Mokbortolan_> what OS's? 22:43 < kanzure> you can even do a lame ethernet bridge 22:43 < nmz787> laptop is connected to house wifi, reverse tethering to phone, phone acting as hotspot rebroadcasting 22:43 < nmz787> i'm on win7, other is ubuntu 22:43 < kanzure> eww windows 22:44 < kanzure> well, Mokbortolan_ can help you on that one i guess 22:45 < Mokbortolan_> it'd be easier if you could get another wireless card for your win7 laptop 22:46 < Mokbortolan_> then it'd be extra easy 22:46 < Mokbortolan_> just a little usb dongle 22:47 < nmz787> how to rebroadcast? is that an easy menu in win7? 22:48 < nmz787> i might be able to find one, but it would prob be $10 min, even on craigslist... and the wifi on plane is $12... though i'd have an extra dongle forever 22:53 < Mokbortolan_> yes 22:53 < Mokbortolan_> it's called Internet Connection Sharing 22:54 < nmz787> yeah this reverse tethering works for the phone, but the other laptop connecting to the phone can't get packets 22:54 < Mokbortolan_> so you'd create an ad-hoc wireless network on one NIC, then connect to the plane wifi ont he other. the ICS menu will walk you through the rest, it's designed for... non-technical people. 22:54 < nmz787> seems like an iptables goof 22:58 < Mokbortolan_> nmz787: if you were feeling less than honorable you could buy one from walmart, use it, then return it when you got back 23:01 < kanzure> nmz787: happy birthday 23:02 < nmz787> that's tomorrow kanzure, but thanks! 23:02 < kanzure> my tolerance is +- 1 day 23:02 < nmz787> Mokbortolan_: nah, I'm trying barnacle to see if it can deal with reverse tethering 23:03 < nmz787> I could also just USB tether to the phone, and ICS from windows 23:03 < kanzure> s/tolerance/accuracy 23:04 < Mokbortolan_> that'd work too, as long as windows saw the phone as a nic 23:20 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:21 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@107.52.28.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:21 < nmz787> trying ICS 23:22 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:23 < kanzure> aww yeahh 23:23 < kanzure> https://d33ds.co/archive/yahoo-disclosure.txt 23:28 < nmz787> as I thought, ICS doesn't work 23:28 < nmz787> anything ad-hoc wifi ubuntu/linux seems to hate 23:29 < nmz787> I created a new connection, named it, gave it encryption, connected to it on windows.. try connection on ubuntu and no dice 23:29 < nmz787> wont connect 23:38 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:40 -!- warzrobe [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@107.52.28.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:46 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:50 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:54 < nmz787> kanzure: how old is that pw dump? 23:54 < kanzure> 3 hours 23:55 < nmz787> tried a few gmail and yahoo mail logins, no dice 23:55 < kanzure> someoen has probably changed all the passwords already 23:55 < kanzure> that's what peeps do 23:55 < kanzure> they run bots through dumps like this and get what they can 23:56 < kanzure> but your best bet if you want access to something is to know a person or know they have an account on another service 23:56 < nmz787> got into one 23:56 < nmz787> but its all garbage email 23:57 < kanzure> welcome to yahoo mail 23:58 < nmz787> no one i know is in there, luckily i guess 23:59 < nmz787> where did you find this? 23:59 < kanzure> a venture capital firm's website --- Log closed Thu Jul 12 00:00:02 2012