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00:32 < jrayhawk> deluser leaves dangling ownership; i prefer usermod -L
00:32 < jrayhawk> or, i guess, chsh to /bin/false
00:33 < jrayhawk> that'll cover ssh, too, which has mechanisms to bypass unix auth
00:36 < jrayhawk> regarding wiki pristineness, first of all, i am very interested in knowing what volume of spammers actually sign up and what countermeasures are necessary
00:38 < jrayhawk> second, if you don't really care about security, a branch is a possibility. if you do care about security, a separate repository is prudent unless you feel like working out how to manage gitolite
00:39 < jrayhawk> locally fetched objects are all hardlinked anyway, so it's not like it costs anything
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06:45 < kanzure> what is curiosity doing now?
06:52 < ThomasEgi> porta2 spoiler warning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEOJaNMQZo&feature=related
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06:57 < JayDugger> zapping martians with its atom-powered heat-ray!
06:58 < Vicarious> 'morning
06:59 < ThomasEgi> nextup on nasa's shedule, launch a sattelite to europa with a nyancat design.
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08:17 < kanzure> bleep bloop
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08:43 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f58f043 add a list of local diybio groups
08:44 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e1187a7 fix email address markdown syntax
08:46 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 06d0be8 maybe email addresses work?
08:58 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c74f1a9 add more groups and contact information
09:02 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 71be183 throw in some emails for LA, seattle, madlab
09:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups
09:06 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6025798 insert munich
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10:42 < kanzure> eudoxia: hi
10:42 < eudoxia> hey kanz
10:42 < eudoxia> so i see the diyh+wiki has a new face
10:47 < kanzure> is it acceptable?
10:47 < eudoxia> yes
10:50 < kanzure> eudoxia: i also imported hplusroadmap's mediawiki history
10:50 < kanzure> (at least.. for the diybio faq article)
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10:54 < eudoxia> it's good
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10:55 < eudoxia> so you still have an offline backup of that wiki?
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10:59 < kanzure> eudoxia: actually it's online
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11:00 < eudoxia> where?
11:00 < kanzure> eudoxia: i am only temporarily hosting it until i pick what i want to import into git
11:01 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
11:01 < kanzure> but seriously.. don't use this site. if you pick some content you want to be saved, i will port it over.
11:02 < eudoxia> well this is much better than my original idea of copying the archive.org text and inferring wiki markup for it
11:02 < kanzure> really though, i'd rather you not copy the contents
11:03 < kanzure> it would be better to just centralize the extraction in diyhpluswiki.git, and then you may copy crap from there
11:03 < eudoxia> okay
11:03 < kanzure> so anyway.. let me know if you find things you want saved
11:03 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/List_of_bioinformatics_databases
11:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Ribosome_display
11:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention
11:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Polymerase
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11:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Transhumanism_FAQ
11:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Retarded_polymerase
11:04 < kanzure> these are the only pages that might have content, i think.
11:05 < eudoxia> the SKDB page is a little outdated but has a lot of relevant info
11:05 < chris_99> how come you're running on a weird port no. out of interest
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11:05 < kanzure> chris_99: to stop people from using it
11:05 < kanzure> chris_99: this seems to be ineffective
11:05 < kanzure> eudoxia: good god please don't use that page
11:06 < eudoxia> why?
11:06 < kanzure> because it's all crap
11:06 < kanzure> none of it works
11:06 < eudoxia> it could use a little reordering
11:07 < kanzure> it could use a shot in the face
11:07 < eudoxia> do you like my current SKDB article http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=SKDB ?
11:07 < kanzure> it seems to be copy-pasta fenn's text
11:07 < kanzure> so, yes
11:09 < eudoxia> good
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11:13 < eudoxia> kanzure: what about the article on neurofarms?
11:14 < archels> eudoxia: What's the URL to the latter?
11:14 < kanzure> i regret this already
11:14 < eudoxia> archels: http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/Neurofarms
11:14 < eudoxia> hahaha
11:15 < archels> oh, it's on kanzure's wiki, not transhumani.com
11:17 < archels> http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/KSRM
11:17 < archels> what
11:18 < eudoxia> yeah, kanz, I never understood that
11:18 < eudoxia> why wiki the KSRM
11:18 < eudoxia> it's already online
11:18 < kanzure> eudoxia: http://diyhpl.us:5040/mediawiki/index.php/KSRM/1
11:18 < kanzure> because i wanted to.
11:19 < kanzure> not a very good reason
11:19 < eudoxia> hm
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11:22 < kanzure> http://softwareas.com/cross-domain-communication-with-iframes
11:22 < kanzure> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/document.domain
11:28 < kanzure> hrmm https://github.com/oyvindkinsey/easyXDM/#readme
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11:29 < eudoxia> kanzure: the self-replication page, can it stay or does it need a shot in the facE?
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11:30 < kanzure> i guess i can copy that out
11:30 < kanzure> s/copy/port
11:33 < kanzure> so i'm looking at this:
11:33 < kanzure> http://developers.kongregate.com/docs/api-overview/client-api
11:33 < kanzure> and all of the questions are like, "LOL I USE UNITY, HOW DO I USE THIS"
11:33 < kanzure> and it's clearly a cross domain javascript api
11:33 < kanzure> why would you use this with unity3d?
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12:47 < brownies> kanzure: Unity games can be embedded on a web page and played with a Unity3D browser plugin
12:48 < kanzure> yeah
12:48 < kanzure> but you wouldn't use an ajax api for that
12:48 < kanzure> you would use their unity api
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13:31 < nmz787> so is a cell a KSRM, but not all KSRMs are cells?
13:34 < kanzure> sounds right to me
13:35 < nmz787> kanzure: so if atx doesn't have a machine shop, it doesn't sound optimal for putting together the laser CNC
13:35 < chris_99> anyone use a 3D printer-y thing, are they accurate enough to print screw threads
13:36 < nmz787> chris_99: I've seen screws printed before
13:36 < nmz787> dunno how accurate they were
13:36 < chris_99> ooh awesome :)
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13:37 < brownies> kanzure: suffice to say that people do not use Unity because they are brilliant developers
13:38 < nmz787> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/05/26/openscad-screw-libraries-by-syvwlch-and-aubenc/
13:38 < nmz787> chris_99: ^
13:38 < kanzure> there's also some stuff in mged
13:39 < kanzure> uh MCAD
13:39 < kanzure> https://github.com/elmom/MCAD
13:39 < chris_99> cheers, i was thinking a bit finer than that,  good to see it can be done though, in practice
13:48 < kanzure> hahah
13:48 < kanzure> http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/08/05/elsevier-replies-about-hybrid-openacess-i-am-appalled-about-their-practices-breaking-licences-and-having-to-pay-to-read-open-access/
13:48 < kanzure> pay to read open access
13:49 < kanzure> yeehaw.
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14:41 < kanzure> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=149477301
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15:36 < delinquentme> anyone know who might sell square plastic extrusions?
15:36 < delinquentme> cheaply?
15:36 < delinquentme> mcmaster charges 11 bucks a foot ... NOT HAPPENING
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16:03  * delinquentme scratches himself
16:03 < delinquentme> IM scratching my own itch!!!
16:03 < delinquentme> mass weight to cost calculations!
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16:12 < delinquentme> OK so options for big mass: 1) concrete: $0.34 / lb
16:17 < delinquentme> shot gun pellets
16:17 < delinquentme> lead.
16:21 < ParahSailin__> ballast for what
16:26 < delinquentme> roboots
16:26 < delinquentme> shotgun ballast >> $1.47/lb
16:28 < delinquentme> what about general stone
16:28 < delinquentme> IDK concrete is a pretty awesome deal
16:39 < ParahSailin__> iron shot should be cheap and more dense than concrete/rock/sand
16:40 < sheena> no free gravel around?
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17:03 < kanzure> 16:06 <@gwern> 'One of the other post docs (He is Austrian) is also an avid anime fan too apparently. His favorite is First of the North Star. He will say the catch phrase when doing heat shock on transgenic embryos (in order to activate a certain gene,
17:03 < kanzure> "but sometimes can be fatal to the embryos) saying "You are already Dead!" it is quite hilarious actually.'  http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/xq6hg/my_biology_postdocs_all_watch_anime_story_inside/ "
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18:00 < kanzure> " (NASA was faced with a shortage of quality data tapes in the early 1980s due to a change in the manufacturing process in the mid 1970s. This caused tapes that were no longer needed to be reused.)[1]"
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18:30 < AdrienG> what was that sci-fi story
18:30 < AdrienG> where an AI that runs lives of everyone sort of
18:30 < AdrienG> tricks a boy into suiciding the AI
18:30 < AdrienG> because it was just fed up of knowing everything abuot everyone
18:30 < kanzure> what is this "eyes on the solar system" crap
18:30 < kanzure> unity? java? hah
18:31 < kanzure> i am more surprised about unity
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20:00 < joshcryer> Java is everywhere though.
20:00 < joshcryer> Except apparently iPad.
20:00 < joshcryer> Which made me laugh.
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20:25 < brownies> kanzure: apparently it uses Java to download a Unity plugin
20:25 < brownies> because one obscure obsolete plugin wasn't enough
20:27 < klafka> unity3d is a super common API apparently
20:30 < kanzure> brownies: http://kongregate.com/ has this html5 javascript api thingy for game uploading,
20:31 < kanzure> but it looks like all their developers just use flash and unityt
20:31 < kanzure> because none of them understand the same origin policy stuff
20:32 < brownies> klafka: depends what you mean by "is" and "common"
20:32 < brownies> kanzure: yeah
20:32 < brownies> btw, where's the link to the rover landing livestream?
20:32 < klafka> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJT1d1BKhw&feature=player_embedded
20:32 < brownies> that Eyes on the Solar System thing is just a simulation
20:33 < kanzure> the eyes on solar system thing can suck it
20:33 < kanzure> that's not what i wanted at all
20:33 < brownies> klafka: was expecting rickroll... pleasantly surprised
20:34 < joshcryer> kanzure, so write an app to sniff the app and get the data that it's feeding.
20:34 < kanzure> i want the 8 fps feed
20:34 < kanzure> not this simulated crap
20:35 < klafka> aah
20:35 < joshcryer> Heh!
20:35 < joshcryer> I want to claim irony here (H+ channel / anti sim) but I appreciate the sentiment. :P
20:36 < brownies> klafka: http://nasa-f.akamaihd.net/public_h264_700@54826?v=1.1.12&fp=LNX%11,0,1,152
20:36 < brownies> (streaming link, open in VLC)
20:36 < klafka> aah
20:36 < yashgaroth> I wonder if the sim has a contingency explosion included, just in case
20:36 < brownies> kanzure: ^
20:36 < brownies> kanzure: yea i want the live snaps from the rover cam
20:37 < joshcryer> brownies, woot, thanks man
20:39 < brownies> sure
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20:57 < kanzure> faiiill http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/nasatv/
20:57 < kanzure> let's try.. http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
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21:20 < brownies> kanzure: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html?curiosity
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22:41 < strangewarp> The rover has successfully touched down on Mars.
22:44 < nmz7871> yahoo
22:46 < ThomasEgi> and they twittered the pics^
22:46 < sheena> link?
22:52 < ThomasEgi> http://twitter.com/MarsCuriosity/status/232352290919567361/photo/1/large
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