--- Log opened Tue Aug 07 00:00:31 2012
00:02 < kanzure> so mathias posted "oh, well, reading papers is inconvenient"
00:02 < kanzure> then.. don't read them.
00:03 < yashgaroth> just blog it to the cloud
00:03 < ThomasEgi> on the other hand. that sounds like a hint to broadcast more science-tv instead of casting shows.
00:03 < yashgaroth> I'm making a startup called papr, it will dynamically real-time synthesize academic articles
00:05 < yashgaroth> on rails!
00:05 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you're hired! i pay $2/hour and don't provide health benefits.
00:05 < yashgaroth> haha in this economy I'd pay you to hire me
00:05 < kanzure> really? because i can arrange that
00:06 < yashgaroth> nah the state pays me pretty good
00:06 < kanzure> at the same rate as your previous employer?
00:07 < yashgaroth> actually, at the rate they paid me while contracting, it's pretty competitive
00:08 < yashgaroth> and the hours are great
00:08 < kanzure> huh.
00:08 < kanzure> is it tax-free?
00:08 < yashgaroth> ironically, no
00:20 < Mokbortolan_1> nmz787: I believe so
00:23 < kanzure> most hackerspaces tend to not have full machine shops
00:26 < Mokbortolan_1> well, I haven't actually seen it
00:26 < Mokbortolan_1> I visited one once
00:26 < Mokbortolan_1> they said they had a ton of tools, lathe, etc
00:26 < Mokbortolan_1> it was also a coffee shop
00:27 < yashgaroth> to be fair, every building in the PNW is also a coffee shop
00:30 < Mokbortolan_1> yep
00:30 < Mokbortolan_1> state law
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01:25 < jrayhawk> nmz787: the techshop closed down, but close within my social graph are quite a few adequate toys
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02:10 < nmz787> jrayhawk: cool, chandni's application was accepted, we still have to wait to see if the job offer is decent... but, it's looking better for the portland move
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08:39 < bkero> nmz787: Yes, ADX
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08:40 < bkero> It's fucking expensive though.
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10:04 < nsh> what are we going to do today, brain?
10:07 < ThomasEgi> the same procedure as every year?
10:10 < nsh> .ety promontory
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10:26 < kanzure> "This is a great intro book so far and I especially like the practical side. Shame kit not available in Europe. Is there an AdaFruit Equivalent for DIYBIO on kickstarter for Europe yet?"
10:26 < kanzure> "is there a rails in the cloud on zynga yet?"
10:27 < kanzure> blah why didn't tashou come in here
10:39 < nsh> who what why now>
10:39 < nsh> ?
10:44 < kanzure> 唐大綬
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11:39 < kanzure> nmz787: do you see anything good here? http://www.swicoauctions.com/onsite/?auction=295
11:39 < kanzure> geeze why is there no liquidation auction aggregator yet?
11:46 < nsh> because you haven't written it?
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11:47 < nsh> or it's a messy task
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11:47 < kanzure> nsh: i know how i would implement it- it's not that messy
11:47 < kanzure> nsh: but yes i suspect the answer is "because bryan hasn't done it yet", which is annoying..
11:47 < nsh> how would you implement it?
11:48 < kanzure> the front-end is mostly a solved problem on the interwebs
11:48 < kanzure> i think i would like to do the backend with pyphantomjs
11:49 < nsh> is it not a horrible scraping problem?
11:49 < kanzure> nsh: i am a master of horrible scraping
11:49 < kanzure> http://phantomjs.org/ http://github.com/kanzure/pyphantomjs
11:49  * nsh inspects
11:49 < kanzure> i have this silly javascript library i've written to help control phantomjs sessions (called spatula.js)
11:50 < kanzure> i should probably clean it up and release it..
11:50 < nsh> oh, this looks fun
11:52 < nsh> but the web stack is only half the problem, you also have to encapsulate the human visual processing interface to which the data structure is presented
11:52 < kanzure> that's not a big deal
11:52 < kanzure> throw twitter bootstrap on it and go have lunch
11:52 < nsh> hmm
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13:11 < kanzure> urchin: are you transhumanizam.fizika.org ?
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17:47 < nmz787> kanzure: on pg 2 of that auction site, there are 'craftsman saws' for $0
17:48 < nmz787> kanzure: it looks like a big radial arm saw
17:48 < nmz787> kanzure: i'd say ask you mom
17:49 < nmz787> kanzure:  also 'HTG masker' for $95... "has a Nikon microscope, used in making silicone boards,"
17:49 < delinquentme> what site is this?
17:51 < nsh> http://www.swicoauctions.com/onsite/?auction=295
17:56 < kanzure> nmz787: i was wondering why there's no auction aggregator site.. with alerts and things
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18:07 < delinquentme> http://www.judegomila.com/2012/08/synthetic-biology-is-heading-for-cloud.html
18:07 < delinquentme> sooo this guys got links to a ton of new technolgies I've not yet seen.. AWESOME!
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18:14 < kanzure> delinquentme: don't get so excited.. those are just broken landing pages
18:14 < kanzure> including cambrian
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18:17 < kanzure> "What would it take (money, supplies, etc.) to insert red fluorescent genes such as those found in glofish into Enchytraeus buchholzi? Gonna take this stuff head on, really want to learn all about genetic engineering. Just want some basics from you guys."
18:18 < kanzure> faq doesn't handle this question, but this sort of question comes up often
18:18 < kanzure> (buchholzi is a new twist on the question though, and so is rfp)
18:18 < yashgaroth> rfp expression's no different from gfp
18:18 < kanzure> so this might seem to be an "intro" question, but it's actually not
18:18 < kanzure> well, yes
18:18 < kanzure> but i have no idea abuot culturing buccholzi
18:19 < kanzure> might require some random nitrogen environment, who knows
18:19 < yashgaroth> it's a feed animal, can't be too exotic
18:19 < kanzure> this sort of question seems to really be saying "show me an easy button", right?
18:19 < yashgaroth> yes, it is a question on the diybio group
18:21 < yashgaroth> still needs a "my budget is $23.50"
18:21 < kanzure> "what supplies does it take to do x project" is really a function of the accumulative supplies of each technique in the pipeline
18:22 < kanzure> i was going to link him to the faq
18:22 < kanzure> but then i realized the faq doesn't answer his question at all
18:22 < yashgaroth> I can't even imagine how you'd transfect them...don't think anyone's studied worm viruses
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18:22 < yashgaroth> I see they've been very quick about updating the google group header
18:23 < kanzure> what do you mean?
18:23 < kanzure> it looks the same to me
18:23 < yashgaroth> sorry, being sarcastic, they haven't done shit
18:23 < kanzure> yeah..
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18:24 < kanzure> yashgaroth: maybe reply-in-support on my last email about updating diybio.org to include a link?
18:24 < yashgaroth> idk it'd be a bit too obvious since I never post there
18:24 < kanzure> the twist is that in reality i'm YOUR sock puppet
18:25 < yashgaroth> excellent, then I shall post
18:25  * kanzure puppets around
18:25  * nsh hums
18:26 < kanzure> yashgaroth: or better yet, maybe you can contribute some crappy one-line answers to the faq?
18:26 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/better-questions/
18:27 < yashgaroth> I'd just copy & paste "start with a book" as every answer
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18:28 < nsh> if you stand on a thick enough book and ask your question, the authoritativeness of height might elicit a non flippant answer
18:29 < kanzure> to be fair, most books are not protocol collections
18:29 < kanzure> protocol collections are what people need, not that "poetic summary of cellular metabolism" crap
18:30 < yashgaroth> sure, but one can only go so far on "coloring book molecular biology"
18:30 < nsh> i think we have, ehm, complementary apprehensions of people's needs
18:30 < kanzure> no we all agree that what people most need is to be beaten
18:31 < nsh> that's true
18:32 < nsh> on the other hand (that one that isn't using the rod), i don't think we have a protocol stack for comprehension yet
18:32 < nsh> so poetic summaries may have to continue propitiating
18:33 < nsh> the deities of grok
18:33  * nsh considers the pantheon
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18:51 < kanzure> yashgaroth: oh i didn't mean you had to post that, hah, but thanks too
18:52 < yashgaroth> I got a snide remark in there so I'm happy
18:53 < nsh> WIN
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20:55 < jrayhawk> dear diybio: i have trouble seeing my cat at night how can i make a glow in the dark cat thanks in advance
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22:03 < brownies> couldn't you just... give him a glow-in-the-dark collar?
22:08 < Mokbortolan_> psychohistory? http://www.kurzweilai.net/human-cycles-history-as-science
22:08 < yashgaroth> my pallets of spam are finally vindicated
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22:15 < kanzure> http://bomfire.com/
22:15 < kanzure> matt bond <matt@bomfire.com>
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22:34 < kanzure> jrayhawk: well, first you expose your cat to an unhealthy amount of UV
22:36 < kanzure> "Right now the most popular archive.org torrent is a collection of My Little Pony porn from /r/clopclop."
22:36 < kanzure> good job lesswrong
22:37 < jrayhawk> oh god my cat has developed an esca and very large teeth and now eats other cats i think i may have done this wrong
22:37 < yashgaroth> quick find a nuclear reactor
22:40 < kanzure> update: i am in a nuclear reactor with hostages what do i do?
22:42 < yashgaroth> ok get jay's cat to bite you while drinking some of the coolant and you should be good to go
22:44 < jrayhawk> okay cat now has obsession with pokemon and interaction-tracking i do not think this is working!!!
22:44 < yashgaroth> ah crap I haven't read this far into the comicbook yet hang on
22:45 < kanzure> by comic you mean manga, and by manga you mean the hplusroadmap manga?
22:45 < yashgaroth> oh, naturally
22:45 < jrayhawk> kanzure i should warn you in advance that i do not fit into a pokeball
22:46 < kanzure> i bet you're weak against normal
22:46 < jrayhawk> i'm super ineffective
22:47 < Mokbortolan_> machop uses pound!
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23:43 < kanzure> tashou: welcome
23:43 < tashou> yeah
23:43 < tashou> thanks!!!
23:43 < kanzure> tashou: re-ask your question
23:43 < tashou> well, ok
23:44 < tashou> I am an teaching assistant in a nursing school
23:44 < tashou> and our biological room has 60 seats
23:45 < tashou> this lab is supporting the experiments for anatomy, pharmacology, physiology, and microbiology and immunology
23:46 < tashou> just for the freshmen to get some feeling about those basic bio-med sciences
23:47 < tashou> we have many models for anatomy (came from somo, Germany)
23:47 < tashou> at least 60 optic microscopes
23:47 < kanzure> tashou: stick around, but i need to sleep. yashgaroth might be around..
23:47 < yashgaroth> sure
23:48 < tashou> Electro kardiac Photogropher
23:48 < tashou> to Kanzure: OK
23:48 < tashou> good night, K
23:48 < tashou> :)
23:48 < tashou> and we  have a PCR machine (although it has been ignored for years...)
23:49 < tashou> many physiological equipments
23:49 < tashou> two autoclaves
23:49 < tashou> one microbiological hood
23:49 < tashou> one hood for animal experiment
23:50 < tashou> and the other one hood for chemical reagent adjustment
23:50 < tashou> many eletrophoresis equipments
23:50 < yashgaroth> and you want to do DIYbio stuff there?
23:51 < tashou> yeah,
23:51 < tashou> I might
23:51 < yashgaroth> it sounds well equipped
23:51 < tashou> it is very wasting if these equipments are ignored here...
23:52 < tashou> however, since the beaurocrapcy here... this equpments have been ignored
23:52 < yashgaroth> so you think they wouldn't allow you to do diybio there?
23:52 < tashou> -20 and -80 freezers
23:53 < tashou> I do not have money
23:54 < yashgaroth> well that's a conundrum
23:56 < tashou> mmm....
23:56 < tashou> yeah
23:56 < yashgaroth> I don't think we have anyone here or in diybio from asia in general, much less taiwan
23:56 < tashou> maybe I can find some ways to make these equips activated
23:57 < tashou> you are right,
23:57 < yashgaroth> the established places like biocurious and genspace make some money by teaching basic biotech to people on weekends
23:58 < kanzure> yashgaroth: denisa kera
23:58 < tashou> mmmm.... that is a good idea...
23:58 < kanzure> michel bauwens was from taiwan
23:58 < tashou> wow!!!
23:58  * kanzure goes back to sleep
23:58 < yashgaroth> denisa's an odd case, but yeah that's true
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23:59 < tashou> well, in my case, the equips belong to the school
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