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strangewarp works on things 06:56 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:59 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:03 < nsh> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/08/08/Curiosity-interview-with-Malin-Space-Science-Systems-Mike-Ravine 07:04 < nsh> (re: camera resolution on MSL) 07:39 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: OldCoder_, archels, lichen 07:45 -!- Netsplit over, joins: OldCoder_, archels, lichen 08:08 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:43 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41 -!- nsh 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[~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-162-183.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:25 <@kanzure> why is everyone being so boring? 11:27 < Sanky_> how to not be boring? 11:30 < archels> because we're making science 11:32 <@kanzure> oh fbi <3 "Dear Bryan, Nathan and I are hoping you might be able to help us. We have been unable to figure out a practical way to send out the presentations from the FBI-DIYbio workshop (some of the files are huge), and are wondering if you can help us with setting up some sort of drop-box system or alternative suggestion." 11:36 <@kanzure> i wonder why they picked me to send that to.. i can definitely help them but why didn't they pick, say, all the screwy people presenting web apps and things? 11:59 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@dslb-178-000-118-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:02 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 12:04 -!- TheEmpath [~TheEmpath@hsrp-bgp.4over.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:04 < strangewarp> kanzure: They're treating you like a leader figure. That bodes ill. :P 12:04 < TheEmpath> hello large community! 12:04 < strangewarp> hi 12:05 < TheEmpath> who is George Church? 12:05 < strangewarp> stick around for a while and one of the many people who reads the logs will give you an answer, probably 12:07 < TheEmpath> oh.. derp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Church 12:10 < TheEmpath> i'd like to get started with the concept of synthetic life. i have a comp sci background 12:10 < TheEmpath> pretty run of the mill, im sure 12:11 < TheEmpath> anywho, i'd like ot figure out how to understand http://partsregistry.org/Main_Page so i can start contributing to it 12:11 < TheEmpath> and i dunno where to start :X 12:13 < TheEmpath> is there an actual road map? 12:14 < chris_99> don't suppose anyone knows of a cheap ir spectrophotometer 12:14 <@kanzure> https://panopticlick.eff.org/index.php?action=log&js=yes 12:14 <@kanzure> "Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 2,346,061 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 21.16 bits of identifying information." 12:14 <@kanzure> neat. 12:14 <@kanzure> obviously the current thing to do is to browse as "wget" 12:15 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: partsregistry.org is not open to non-academic contributions 12:15 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: there /was/ a roadmap but it sucks, so until i rewrite it, the answer is no 12:15 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq and since you have a CS background you might appreciate the git clone instructions near the end 12:16 < TheEmpath> excellent. thank you much 12:20 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-203-176.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:32 -!- AdrienG_ [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-203-176.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:52 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: finding things ok? 12:52 < TheEmpath> i am! 12:53 < TheEmpath> you seem helpful, i'll try and keep my questions to you in a yes/no fashion :D 12:54 <@kanzure> why would you do that? 12:54 <@kanzure> what? 12:54 < TheEmpath> make it easy for you :D 13:07 < ParahSailin_> roadmap for what exactly 13:07 < Mokbortolan_> ParahSailin_: hplus 13:07 < ParahSailin_> i got that, thanks 13:11 -!- Technicus [~technicus@66-191-124-211.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32 < delinquentme> anyone in here ever stream their coding? 13:48 < TheEmpath> i do not 14:04 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:05 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p54B4F7F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p54B4F7F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:06 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 15:29 < TheEmpath> whose the linus torvald of biohacking? 15:29 < TheEmpath> who's* 15:32 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:34 < exiff> TheEmpath: Ben Goertzel? 15:34 <@kanzure> exiff: ben goertzel doesn't do any biology work 15:35 < exiff> He is a transhumanist though. 15:35 < TheEmpath> oh my god 15:35 < TheEmpath> he does exist 15:35 <@kanzure> exiff: what does that have to do with anything? 15:35 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: nobody has yet claimed that title 15:35 < TheEmpath> i see 15:36 < jrayhawk> linus torvalds is a confusing analogue for much of anything these days 15:36 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: and frankly, expecting computer stuff to map directly to biology stuff, is wrong 15:36 < exiff> biohacking, nootropicsm, transhumanism... 15:36 <@kanzure> exiff: are you just saying things? 15:36 < exiff> no, im reading the topic 15:36 < TheEmpath> i was thinking more along the lines of business models.. if ventner is the gates, then _____ is torvalds 15:37 <@kanzure> i don't recommend thinking like that 15:38 < TheEmpath> diy is a competitor to anyone trying to build a subscription model 15:38 < TheEmpath> as edison crushed tesla... 15:38 <@kanzure> not really. even with people who do things on their own, there are others who will pay for things. 15:38 < TheEmpath> and those who pay for things provide money to a person who wants to render competition a sin 15:39 < Steel2> that sounds like fanatic ideology to me 15:39 < TheEmpath> efficient business practice is fanatical? 15:40 <@kanzure> what? 15:40 < Steel2> the competition is a sin part 15:40 < Steel2> what do you mean by it 15:40 < TheEmpath> anyone who sinks in millions into a genomic venture will want to recoup 15:40 < TheEmpath> the last thing you want is some punk kid brewing something in his backyard that does better and doesn't have teh price tag 15:40 < TheEmpath> therefore, outlaw competition 15:41 <@kanzure> so your plan is to outlaw competition? 15:41 < TheEmpath> my plan? 15:41 < TheEmpath> its the natural plan of anyone who has big money behind them in the bioengineering genre 15:41 < TheEmpath> monsanto, ventner, even wake forest 15:41 <@kanzure> are you saying you have big money? 15:42 < TheEmpath> what? 15:42 < TheEmpath> At what point in this conversation did I claim ownership of this concept? 15:42 <@kanzure> it sounds like your ideas are already formed, and anything we say wont contribute much to you 15:42 < TheEmpath> I'm asking for an appropriate force capable of distributing the intentions of DIY without being destroyed by obvious compeition 15:43 < Steel2> @kanzure: He's saying that the large businesses will try to outlaw competition 15:43 < Steel2> not that he will 15:43 < TheEmpath> what the hell? are you reading the same chat? 15:43 <@kanzure> Steel2: "outlaw competition"? so patents? 15:43 < TheEmpath> that 15:43 < TheEmpath> s one way. 15:43 < TheEmpath> there are many others 15:43 <@kanzure> ok. so what do you want to say about patents? 15:43 < TheEmpath> ever wonder who is funding anti-GMO sentiment? 15:44 <@kanzure> no. 15:44 < TheEmpath> you'd be wise to 15:44 <@kanzure> i don't think that matters 15:44 < TheEmpath> heh 15:44 < exiff> just look at the issues already surrounding patenting of genetic sequences. 15:44 <@kanzure> exiff: that's not exactly a novel observation 15:44 < exiff> i didnt claim it was 15:44 <@kanzure> ok. still trying to understand what he's trying to claim. that DIY is impossible? 15:45 < TheEmpath> o___O 15:45 < TheEmpath> buick 15:45 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 < Steel2> no, all he's saying is that it seems likely that sufficiently large companies may try to outlaw diybio 15:45 < Steel2> or put roadblocks in the path 15:45 <@kanzure> Steel2: that's a nonsense observation though 15:45 < Steel2> so as to maintain profits 15:46 <@kanzure> oh you are going to stop people-who-don't-care-about-being-outlaws by calling them outlaws? who cares 15:46 < TheEmpath> how many business models would you like me to cite indicating the usage of that technique? 15:46 < TheEmpath> pick a number 15:46 <@kanzure> um? who cares if it is used or not? 15:46 <@kanzure> my point is that whether or not it is used does not materially affect whether or not outlaw biology exists 15:46 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@dslb-178-000-118-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: systems shutting down_shin-to is entering sleepmode] 15:47 <@kanzure> so it's sort of pointless. 15:47 * Mokbortolan_ toys with e-textiles. 15:47 < TheEmpath> So, in your world, how many DIYers are doing jail time? 15:47 < TheEmpath> 80% of them? 15:47 < TheEmpath> 90%? 15:47 <@kanzure> what? 15:48 <@kanzure> right now i know nobody in prison or jail for doing biology projects 15:48 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 < TheEmpath> That means you have a time advantage to make sure it stays that way 15:48 < TheEmpath> which is why im trying to find the Linus Torvald of this craft 15:48 <@kanzure> i don't think linus torvalds is going to personally prevent you from being sent to prison, TheEmpath 15:49 < exiff> monsanto might, they have been looking at animal biotech lately. 15:49 < TheEmpath> You do know that Microsoft was recently tried to eliminate the ability to install Linux over any machine that has had Windows on it? 15:50 <@kanzure> exiff: monsanto is also not going to prevent you from going to prison. they aren't a legal firm. 15:50 <@kanzure> i mean, they aren't going to represent you, unless you worked for them /maybe/ 15:50 < TheEmpath> Do you know there are these things called "lobbyists" 15:50 < TheEmpath> ? 15:50 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: are you trying to fearmonger? 15:50 < exiff> i think i was confused by you 2's conversation. 15:50 < exiff> monsanto will be the one to prosecute you. 15:51 < TheEmpath> kanzure: Are you trying to ignore obvious outcomes and not prepare for them? 15:51 <@kanzure> exiff: yes, anyone can prosecute you for anything, that's why the trials exist 15:51 < TheEmpath> oh look, Microsoft moving to destroy the DIY OS crowd: http://techrights.org/2012/07/17/rms-on-uefi/ 15:51 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: i don't think me spending time in prison is an "obvious outcome" 15:51 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: uefi does not actually prevent other operating systems and hardware from existing 15:52 < TheEmpath> Then I really suggest learning how highly competitive business mind operate 15:52 < TheEmpath> minds* 15:52 <@kanzure> you don't sound competitive, you sound afraid 15:52 < TheEmpath> I am asking for the Linus Torvald of the community 15:52 < TheEmpath> how much more competitive woudl you like me to be? 15:53 <@kanzure> are you a kernel contributor? 15:53 <@kanzure> i'm trying to assess how well you know linus 15:53 < TheEmpath> am I the only one sensing intentional density? 15:53 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54 < exiff> TheEmpath: no. 15:54 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: anyway, there are people who might claim to be linus torvalds, but i assure you there isn't one yet in the biohacking scene 15:54 < Steel2> TheEmpath: you should look up a guy named Bryan Bishop 15:54 * Steel2 dodges. 15:55 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55 < TheEmpath> Names are good. I shall review these names. Thank you much. 15:55 < Steel2> I'm a horrible person. 15:55 < TheEmpath> Making biohacking as simple as programming a script is really an ideal outcome 15:55 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 <@kanzure> TheEmpath: there are some huxsters who claim they can do that, but nobody has achieved that 15:56 <@kanzure> and realistically, it might not be possible 15:56 < TheEmpath> From what I understand, its a really challenging problem 15:56 <@kanzure> biology is a huge beast and it might not conform to your pre-existing notions of programming 15:56 < TheEmpath> yeah 15:56 <@kanzure> to be honest, this is a popular claim that programmers bring to the table 15:56 < TheEmpath> life likes its exceptions 15:57 <@kanzure> instead of taking inspiration from programming maybe you should take inspiration from biology, and then use bioinformatics to help you. 15:57 < TheEmpath> but then again.. language itself is pretty complex too 15:57 < TheEmpath> has a loose semblance of structure 15:57 < TheEmpath> but lots of exceptions 15:57 < TheEmpath> HRMM i ponder 15:58 < TheEmpath> maybe i should be asking for the Noam Chomsky of biohacking? 15:58 < TheEmpath> o___O 15:58 <@kanzure> why are you looking for a "x of biohacking" person? 15:58 < TheEmpath> analogs help 15:59 < TheEmpath> especially when learning something new 15:59 <@kanzure> if you're just looking for things to learn, start with http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq 15:59 < TheEmpath> ya, im reading that 15:59 < TheEmpath> in addition to lots of other stuff 15:59 < TheEmpath> I BREATHE INFO 15:59 < yorick> https://shirt.woot.com/offers/deallocated <-- NO, YOU CAN'T BE SOLD OUT 16:00 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05 -!- strages_1ome [~strages@adsl-98-81-1-60.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:05 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:07 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-1-60.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 16:25 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29 -!- augur_ [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:33 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 16:43 < ParahSailin__> i am the bryan bishop of biohacking 16:43 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sucpicflquzqfwwf] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50 -!- augur_ [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:50 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:52 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hflfcrwdpajdbydg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:52 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hflfcrwdpajdbydg] has quit [Changing host] 16:52 -!- brownies [u1042@unaffiliated/brownies] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:52 -!- brownies [u1042@unaffiliated/brownies] has quit [Changing host] 16:52 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hflfcrwdpajdbydg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 <@kanzure> this is a pretty fun android reverse engineering presentation: 17:13 <@kanzure> http://www.floyd.ch/download/Android_0sec.pdf 17:14 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_OU2YCIXgU (500 MB) 17:17 -!- strages_1ome [~strages@adsl-98-81-8-2.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-1-60.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 17:42 < tashoutang> morning 17:45 < strangewarp> i am the ayn rand of communism 17:45 < strangewarp> 0_O 17:46 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10 < tashoutang> what? communism? 18:11 -!- AdrienG_ is now known as AdrianG 18:15 < AdrianG> kanzure: galaxy note 2 will have a flexible scren 18:15 < AdrianG> did u know dat 18:24 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:24 < exiff> i am the exiff of irc. 18:26 < AdrianG> you disgust me. go on. 18:30 < exiff> i chuckled a little. 18:48 -!- ParahSailin__ [~parah@adsl-69-151-157-115.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05 -!- ParahSailin__ [~parah@adsl-69-151-157-115.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-178-136-52.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@ip-64-134-238-2.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:53 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-178-136-52.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:00 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:10 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A cardboard cutout of Bill Murray, a tangerine with a face drawn on it, and a rough draft of a Harry Potter/Twilight crossover fanfic.] 20:10 -!- klafka [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:11 <@kanzure> man it's almost a party in here. 20:13 < yashgaroth> woo 20:17 -!- exiff [~ficl@unaffiliated/exiff] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:23 < delinquentme> jmil, do you find yourself changing the frequency on the shaker often? 20:24 < jmil> delinquentme: naw we gotta have repeat controls so we usually shake at 2 hz 20:26 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:27 < delinquentme> and I was looking at your code jmil and you're ramping up to fullspeed on a single rotation? hows that working out? 20:27 < jmil> its good. it doesnt spill that way. acceleration is important 20:29 < delinquentme> i like the math in the code hahaha 20:30 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39 -!- Christian [~ccccccccc@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:39 -!- Christian is now known as strangewarp 20:39 < strangewarp> oh hell 20:39 < strangewarp> Wrong identity; whoops 20:40 < delinquentme> lolol 20:40 < strangewarp> Was on someone else's username there.. how embarrassing 20:40 < delinquentme> strangewarp, are you trying to troll in here?? 20:40 * delinquentme puts away his altar boy outfit 20:40 < delinquentme> false alarm 21:05 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@ip-64-134-238-2.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 21:06 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ParahSailin__ 21:20 <@kanzure> Query : SELECT password FROM v_members where true and email = '' ; -- 21:20 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure ;-- is correct? 21:21 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: bbl] 21:24 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 <@kanzure> nmz787: hi. 21:25 < nmz787> yo 21:25 < nmz787> kanzure: what's good? 21:26 <@kanzure> to crush your enemies and to see them driven before you 21:27 < nmz787> hmm 21:27 < nmz787> driven to the incinerator 21:47 < nmz787> kanzure: been watching this on youtube "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs&feature=player_embedded" 21:47 < nmz787> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs&feature=player_embedded 21:47 < nmz787> Lepht Anonym - Cybernetics for the Masses (1 of 3) 21:48 <@kanzure> ugh 21:48 <@kanzure> please don't 21:48 < delinquentme> dont eat crappy food! 21:49 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-203-176.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 < nmz787> heh 21:49 < nmz787> well its a research survey 21:50 < nmz787> :P 21:50 < nmz787> she's kinda cute 21:50 < nmz787> (though i think she's gender neutral, so I shouldn't be saying she) 21:50 <@kanzure> a research survey? 21:51 <@kanzure> nmz787: i should point out that she's batshit, so don't let any cuteness deceive you 21:51 < nmz787> yeah like i'm not sucking it up like gospel 21:51 < nmz787> i kinda like batshit 21:51 < nmz787> lol 21:51 < nmz787> its better than plain boring/normal 21:52 < nmz787> but the cuteness is probably more mental than physical 21:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ParahSailin__ 21:53 < delinquentme> hahah 21:53 < delinquentme> id err on the side of she 21:53 < nmz787> the accent is kinda too anti-national for me 21:53 < nmz787> being a proud 'merican and all 21:54 <@kanzure> "i have been known to slice my arms open for shits'n'giggles, sure, and do a fair amount of damage in the process (none of this emo cat-scratch bullshit, i've split my arm to the tendons like the little psychopath i sort of am), but this is not something i do when properly medicated. i need a better way of communicating that." 21:56 < nmz787> implant a raspberryPi 21:56 < nmz787> lol 21:56 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-203-176.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57 < nmz787> wow 21:57 < nmz787> i've just split a mouse or 10 21:57 <@kanzure> nmz787: http://gnusha.org/logs/lepht_crap.txt 21:57 < nmz787> actually felt a human spinal chord in an anatomy lab once 21:58 <@kanzure> neat. 21:59 < nmz787> lepht - "bodily health takes a second seat to curiosity" 21:59 < nmz787> well just finished that 22:00 < nmz787> started it a few days ago 22:00 < nmz787> was interesting, but also kinda boring 22:00 < nmz787> i knew about sterilization before I ever operated on myself (which I never really have I guess) 22:00 < nmz787> but I knew about it when i was like 15 22:01 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 < nmz787> and I'm pretty sure I could easily find dosing for lidocaine... and find out what biocompatible shit was out there 22:01 < nmz787> so, the approach seems kinda unintelligent 22:02 < yashgaroth> what approach, masochism? 22:03 <@kanzure> also there was this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/diybio/ia7GkiR3FjE%5B1-25%5D 22:03 < nmz787> yashgaroth: hmm? 22:03 <@kanzure> haha where did i come up with "neodymium and pain" 22:03 < nmz787> yashgaroth: no just unplanned/unthoughout 22:04 <@kanzure> would have been better if that rhymed 22:04 < yashgaroth> ah right 22:04 <@kanzure> no pain no gain.. so if i inflict infinite pain, i will gain infinitely, right? 22:04 <@kanzure> Steel2: you're probably a pain/gain expert, right? 22:05 <@kanzure> would you be open to some pain experimentation? free of charge, of course 22:05 < Steel2> I try to minimize the pain parts :P not a masochist 22:05 < yashgaroth> what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, unless it cripples you for life 22:05 < delinquentme> hahah 22:05 < delinquentme> yeahh IDK about the stabby things into body 22:05 < Steel2> yashgaroth, get my pm on the forum? 22:05 < yashgaroth> not that I know of, I'll check 22:05 <@kanzure> i think implants could work, but i'm not convinced magnets are it 22:05 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 22:06 <@kanzure> i haven't seen many suggestions for better implant ideas though 22:06 < Steel2> something that'd be fantastic to get my genes changed for :P 22:06 <@kanzure> rfid implants are sorta meh too, unless you're a dog 22:06 < nmz787> the compass idea lepth mentioned was OK 22:06 < nmz787> but still not really worth much 22:06 <@kanzure> nmz787: northpaw? southpaw? 22:06 < nmz787> I can just look at the sun 22:06 < yashgaroth> nope not seeing it steel2 22:06 < Steel2> kanzure, got modded on /r/futurology. now to slowly and insidiously try to bring them over away from the woo side of things :P 22:06 < nmz787> kanzure: yeah some -paw 22:06 <@kanzure> Steel2: that wont work 22:07 <@kanzure> Steel2: first, it's reddit 22:07 <@kanzure> second, it's futorology.. two terribel things 22:07 <@kanzure> *terrible 22:07 < Steel2> *shrug* it's larger than /r/transhuman now :( 22:07 <@kanzure> why would reddit.com/r/transhumanism matter 22:07 <@kanzure> or transhuman 22:07 <@kanzure> it's probably just filled with lesswrong people anyway 22:08 <@kanzure> (lesswrong.com is an obvious reddit clone) 22:08 < yashgaroth> also why are there two h+ subreddits 22:08 <@kanzure> s/clone/instance 22:09 < brownies> is it obvious? afaict they customized the shit out of it 22:09 < Steel2> there's a ton of h+ subreddits haha 22:09 < Steel2> futurology is the largest 22:09 <@kanzure> brownies: stylesheets? :P 22:10 <@kanzure> actually, i didn't know reddit was running on pylons 22:10 < brownies> kanzure: naw, from what i heard they were mucking about with backend code too 22:10 < Steel2> yashgaroth: something about sleep...hd something 22:10 < brownies> kanzure: besides, it takes all kinds of miracles to even get the lumbering reddit source code up and running 22:10 < brownies> so they must have done all kinds of shit to get it stable and working well and etc. 22:10 <@kanzure> brownies i thought ;-- was the right way to do a comment in sql syntax 22:10 < yashgaroth> man I like sleep...had this awesome dream last night, can't remember it but it was great 22:10 <@kanzure> am i doing something wrong? 22:11 < brownies> kanzure: no semicolon 22:11 < brownies> although it's hilarious that you thought the semicolon was part of it 22:11 <@kanzure> hrm. 22:11 < nmz787> yashgaroth: i like dreaming more than being awake most times 22:11 < nmz787> its cheap 22:11 < yashgaroth> gets me closer to the future quickly and lazily, too 22:12 < Steel2> can't find the gene name :( 22:12 <@kanzure> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/comments.html seems to indicate ;-- is valid 22:12 -!- strangewarp [~ccccccccc@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:13 < yashgaroth> also that sort of gene sounds like it'd be brain-specific, which gets tricky to modify 22:13 < yashgaroth> hdec2 btw 22:14 < nmz787> Steel2: yashgaroth I wonder if there's a SNP for that 22:14 < nmz787> "there's an app for that" 22:14 < nmz787> there's a SNP for that 22:14 < yashgaroth> hahaha 22:15 < Steel2> oh, yash, marissa might be becoming a model lol 22:15 < yashgaroth> saw something about a point mutation before the paywall, so it could be a snp 22:15 < yashgaroth> aww yee 22:16 <@kanzure> .fetch http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0020737392900908 22:16 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 22:16 <@kanzure> blaah 22:17 < yashgaroth> hDEC2-P385R is possibly a point mutation, depending on what the standard proline codon is in that position 22:18 < Steel2> that's what it was 22:19 < yashgaroth> also http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2884988/ 22:21 < yashgaroth> there still might be some weird side effects; two supposedly normal human mutants, who haven't been convicted as serial killers...yet 22:22 < nmz787> kanzure: where should i put that paper 22:22 < nmz787> unless fetch got it 22:24 <@kanzure> fetch did not get it :( 22:24 <@kanzure> put it up on diyhpl.us i guess 22:25 < nmz787> kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/1-s2.0-0020737392900908-main.pdf 22:32 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-203-176.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:40 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:42 < brownies> kanzure: hubot? 22:45 < nmz787> kanzure: does the android anti-ad software work 100%? 22:48 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:04 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:05 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:33 < nmz787> jrayhawk: so re: this: http://hunter-gatherer.com/ "But Durant says it's a meat-based diet that was fundamental to early human development. My colleague Chris Joyce has reported on how a meat-based diet helped make us smarter." 23:34 < nmz787> jrayhawk: if we evolved, shouldn't we be able to figure out why meat made us smarter (if that's true), and engineer that into phototrophs? 23:41 < jrayhawk> It's referred to as the "expensive tissue hypothesis" if you want to get more detail. 23:43 <@kanzure> nmz787: it seems to work pretty well 23:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: usually it uses the host file to block stuff, which is pretty safe 23:44 <@kanzure> *hosts 23:44 <@kanzure> brownies: phenny? 23:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: also it includes a great deal more ad networks than i've come across yet 23:44 <@kanzure> so i think it's pretty thorough 23:44 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:46 < jrayhawk> Carnivore digestive systems are shorter and require less energy to operate than herbivorous digestive systems (humans ferment little polysaccharide, humans manufacture few micronutrients, humans detox relatively little) 23:49 < jrayhawk> Unfortunately human dietary needs are not well understood; there's a lot of genetic variation, a lot of state variation, a lot of problems systematically testing for optimality in a thousand dimensions, and problems knowing what pathologies to associate with what nutrients. 23:50 < foucist> jrayhawk: how short are ours compared to carnivores? 23:51 < jrayhawk> Like K2 and EPA/DHA weren't really on the radar until the late nineties, and we're still discovering pathologies they're good at battling. 23:51 < foucist> probably considerably longer since we're herbivores too and crap 23:52 < jrayhawk> No, according to the paleontological record we're obligate carnivores. 23:53 < jrayhawk> or, at least, the chemical evidence in our fossils. 23:54 < nmz787> so why not fix/augment the auxotropies/pathways 23:54 < nmz787> what would the result be if I fixed my childs vitamin C production gene for example 23:54 < nmz787> or the pathway (maybe its not the gene, maybe some regulation crap) 23:55 < jrayhawk> Presumably higher energy intake. 23:57 < jrayhawk> You'd have to have some feedback mechanism to turn it off, of course, since humans are very good at recycling vitamin C as needed to maintain homeostasis and letting it degrade results in a toxic product 23:58 < jrayhawk> (this is why you should not vitamin c megadose, by the way) 23:59 < jrayhawk> And its manufacture may or may not throw off byproducts that need to be dealt with; I'm not familiar with the biochemical machinery there. --- Log closed Tue Aug 14 00:00:43 2012