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00:03 < jrayhawk> http://perfecthealthdiet.com/category/nutrients/vitamin-c/ has a decent treatment of human vitamin C metabolism in case you want to read more about the recycling
00:07 < nmz787> jrayhawk:  can you link to  megadosing vitamin C == toxicity
00:07 < nmz787> my dad always seems sick to me, and he always swears vitamin C cures it
00:08 < nmz787> but he /always/ seems sick, or talks about how he just got over being sick
00:09 < JayDugger> I'd find that same link interesting, jrayhawk.
00:09 < JayDugger> My experience with long-term high doses of vitamin C has yet to show any negative effects.
00:09 < JayDugger> Perhaps I look in the wrong place.
00:18 < brownies> kanzure: ah.
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00:23 < jrayhawk> Well, the DHAA is just a stress on the liver, so it's not that big a deal in and of itself.
00:24 < jrayhawk> Long-term high-dose vitamin C has a more insidious effect of keeping your body from experiencing normal oxidative stressors, so no hormetic response is launched and you wind up less prepared for serious problems.
00:25 < nmz787> jrayhawk: from that link's conclusion "The failure of the body to efficiently recycle vitamin C and maintain antioxidant stores on a zero-carb diet is evidence of an evolutionary maladaption to the zero-carb diet."            What if we lost/should-lose the ketogenic diet habit because it was causing vitamin C deficiency?
00:26 < JayDugger> I don't find the lack of hormetic response a convincing reason to stop taking vitamin C megadoses,
00:26 < JayDugger> Stressors come by easily
00:26 < JayDugger> enough.
00:27 < JayDugger> Such as my puzzling accidental keystrokes that shouldn't have sent a CR, but did.
00:27 < jrayhawk> the terrible scourage of vitamin c strikes again
00:28 < JayDugger> I think it has more to do with my hand remaining stiff from a nasty cat bite two weeks ago,
00:28 < JayDugger> s/,/./
00:29 < JayDugger> Yeah...I think I'll stick to megadoses until I read something much more convincing.
00:31 < JayDugger> Although 4g/hour will certainly--how do they phrase it?--reach bowel intolerance. :)
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00:32 < jrayhawk> nmz787: ketosis works well for some, less well for others. It's not real clear on what the mechanisms for that are.
00:32 < JayDugger> Thank you for the link, jrayhawk.
00:32 < brownies> i thought the mechanism was... ketosis.
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00:33 < brownies> so, if i understand correctly, the real conclusion is "if you are on zero-carb diets, supplement with vitamin C"
00:33 < brownies> ?
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00:33 < jrayhawk> I personally do plenty of gluconeogenesis to keep up with the demands of my brain and mucous; haven't measured vitamin C, but I suspect it's the same.
00:34 < jrayhawk> Mister Jaminet apparently does not.
00:35 < jrayhawk> The more serious conclusion is "if you're doing a zero-carb diet and you suffer from dry eyes, ulcers/stomach cancer, brain fog, and illness, you should probably stop."
00:35 < brownies> "if you are doing ____ and it caused cancer, you should stop." is probably a generally valid heuristic
00:36 < jrayhawk> well, i guess 'long-term stomach cancer'
00:36 < jrayhawk> people get stomach cancers all the time
00:38 < brownies> that's interesting though; i had no idea zero-carb diets were so... risky?
00:42 < jrayhawk> It might be some sort of metabolic disregulation that keeps gluconeogenesis from getting signalled right.
00:43 < jrayhawk> It may also be a fairly recent adaptation to different food sources.
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00:47 < nmz787> i really feel like that page seemed to be talking about rare/anomalous cases
00:47 < nmz787> seems like the shift in foods should be to phototrophs
00:48 < nmz787> there are plenty of 'vegan health' pages too I'm sure, promoting it as the best and longest lived diet, highest life quality
00:48 < jrayhawk> grass+cow; a delicious phototroph
00:52 < jrayhawk> actually, raw food veganism, in particular, actually has some decent health benefits on account of it avoiding sugar, grains, and seed oils
00:53 < jrayhawk> actually actually actually
00:53 < jrayhawk> but the meat part of that is orthogonal and eventually problematic
00:57 < nmz787> jrayhawk: what does your last statement mean?
00:58 < jrayhawk> as in you can get those same health benefits with a diet that includes non-pathogenic meats, and you get other, different pathologies if you completely abstain from meats.
00:59 < jrayhawk> specifically you absolutely need a b12 supplement; you can't get it from whole plant sources.
01:00 < jrayhawk> other b vitamins are merely very hard to get from whole plant sources
01:00 < nmz787> so what about the energy efficinency and pollution reduction (less manue/effluent, less methane)
01:01 < nmz787> i guess that's why i reason for "shift the herd"
01:01 < nmz787> i think that's what the genetic pressure should be, for something like transhumanism
01:01 < jrayhawk> cellulose grows and cellulose breakdown causes methane release either way...?
01:01 < nmz787> maximize performance/energy
01:02 < nmz787> Our city of 2032 is emitting as much information in a second as Google processes in an hour today: remarkable, but not outrageous in context. What can we do with all those chips? http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/08/how-low-power-can-you-go.html
01:02 < jrayhawk> what you're proposing is to replace all biology, which seems like a good plan, but also not feasible and also likely to be an emergent outcome of other effort.
01:03 < jrayhawk> er... not feasible today
01:03 < jrayhawk> i agree that biology is inefficient and dumb and i support our glorious impending hard ai takeoff overlords
01:04 < nmz787> hmm?
01:04 < nmz787> replace biology?
01:05 < jrayhawk> you are claiming existing biology is inefficient. i agree.
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01:05 < nmz787> no, i'm just saying evolution works because of random mutation being pressured a certain way.... i feel like the pressure should be towards utilizing phototrophs as energy and nutrient sources
01:05 < jrayhawk> haha talking about evolution in this day and age is adorable
01:06 < nmz787> and maybe adding in pathways or fixing broken vitamin C pathways might be a way, but I'm not sure
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01:06 < nmz787> jrayhawk: are you a religious person that doesn't believe in evollution?
01:07 < jrayhawk> evolution is an emergent property of mutation and survival of the fittest. this emergent property is irrelevantly slow already today. we are no longer making cultivars, we are engineering them.
01:07 < jrayhawk> it will be even more irrelevantly slow in five years.
01:08 < nmz787> i still see that as evolution
01:08 < yashgaroth> don't
01:08 < nmz787> the word evolution was used before applied to biology http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution
01:08 < brownies> jrayhawk: thanks for the perfect health links... i read the whole series on zero-carb stuff
01:09 < brownies> i think he's a little too fast-and-loose with some of his extrapolations, but it's still a solid read
01:09 < brownies> conclusions => if you're on zero-carb, then take a multivitamin, salt all the things, and drink buckets of water
01:10 < jrayhawk> Jaminet does good research, though his conclusions are a bit colored by his goals.
01:10 < nmz787> yashgaroth: jrayhawk the statement "IBMs product line has evolved through time" seems true to me even though the advances were engineered... there was still folly involved, branching, etch
01:10 < nmz787> s/etch/etc/
01:12 < foucist> noobs.. evolution is incredibly efficient.   AI will rely heavily on evolutionary computation and similar algorithms
01:13  * nmz787 likes foucist's comment 
01:13 < jrayhawk> evolution-the-biological-theory (or, really, emergent property of two other theories) has more significance in the context of biology than evolution-the-synonym-for-incremental-change, but whatever, i guess it doesn't matter much
01:14 < yashgaroth> are you saying you don't believe in the evolution of ibm's product line
01:14 < jrayhawk> i believe in intelligent design of ibm's product line
01:15 < brownies> haha
01:15 < jrayhawk> the marketing department of OS/2 is a culture that should probably be destroyed, though
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02:10 <@kanzure> yorick: are you a sympy developer?
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02:58 <@kanzure> instead of prophesizing they should prosthetize
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03:42 <@kanzure> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/08/yes-we-should-prenatal-sequencing/
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04:18 <@kanzure> blaah why is grandma emailing me about scanadu ughh
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04:18 <@kanzure> like she's in-the-know-enough to know about scanadu, but not enough to know how much of a fucking scam tito jankowski is?
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05:08 < chris_99> anyone played hall effect sensors before?
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05:45 <@kanzure> what is "%032X" in string formatting speak?
05:46 <@kanzure> 32 char-wide somethingsomething?
06:05 < ybit> good morning ##hplusroadmap
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06:22 < Sanky_> zero-padded uppercase hex
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06:22 < Sanky_> I *think* (kanzure ^)
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06:33 <@kanzure> Sanky_: thank you
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07:06 <@kanzure> "Wiley have sent out a press release today to announce that they have changed the licensing conditions of their 'WileyOpenAccess' branded journals. They have now adopted the Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) licence."
07:09 < chris_99> cool
07:09 < chris_99> i didn't know Wiley did journals
07:12 <@kanzure> wiley interscience is one of the great evils of this world
07:17 < Sanky_> dr. wiley
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08:45 < yorick> kanzure: I am not, I'm just in their channel
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08:57 < strangewarp> Huh.
08:57 < strangewarp> http://requireshate.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/magic-vs-science-the-fucking-singularity-and-anti-intellectualism/ - I agree with this to a startling degree
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09:12 < delinquentme> kanzure, talk to me about programming.
09:12 < delinquentme> specifically when switching / using multiple languages
09:12 < delinquentme> like you're currently on a python swing right?
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09:51 < TheEmpath> polyglotness!
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10:18 < Mokbortolan_> (+ LDLPFC)(-RDLPFC) = Clearear thoughts, poorer language ability
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10:19 < Mokbortolan_> (and spelling)
10:19 < Mokbortolan_> at least, cutting and pasting ability
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11:48 < TheEmpath> found something helpful http://www.biostat.wisc.edu/~craven/hunter.pdf Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists
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12:39 < delinquentme> http://io9.com/5933030/breakthrough-genetic-circuits-bring-us-closer-to-synthetic-human-cells
12:39 < delinquentme> ^Breakthrough “genetic circuits” bring us closer to synthetic human cells
12:45 < delinquentme> transcription factors ...
12:45 < yashgaroth> mhm
12:45 < delinquentme> are they promoters?
12:45 < yashgaroth> they can be
12:46 < delinquentme> ok sweet
12:46 < yashgaroth> transcription factor is a broad term for all dna-binding proteins that modify gene expression
12:46 < delinquentme> so this new thins basically allows better control over what genes we want to express
12:46 < delinquentme> oh!
12:47 < yashgaroth> I suppose, though I can only see thumbnails of the figures which doesn't tell me much
12:48 < yashgaroth> .fetch http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867412007805
12:48 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper...
12:49 < yashgaroth> c'mon paperbot you can do it
12:50  * strangewarp folds paperbot into origami c:
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12:56 < delinquentme> haha pwnt
12:56 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, ... what is this witchcraft?!
12:57 < yashgaroth> what is what
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12:57 < delinquentme> paperbot is fetching papers from scidirect?
12:57 < delinquentme> is this something you guys built out?
12:57 < yashgaroth> it's kanzure's project
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12:59 < yashgaroth> .wik DNA nanotechnology
12:59 < paperbot> "DNA nanotechnology (a.k.a. nanomachines) is the design and manufacture of artificial nucleic acid structures for technological uses." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_nanotechnology
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13:06 <@kanzure> since when does google scholar do profiles? http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lJhWHCIAAAAJ&hl=en
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13:08 < yashgaroth> seems like they have to sign up for it, still cool though
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13:28 <@kanzure> delinquentme: not witchcraft.. papercraft
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14:16 < brownies> delinquentme: polyglot questions?
14:17 < brownies> kanzure: how do i make paperbot  do my bidding?
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14:17 <@kanzure> brownies: well, it's very broken right now
14:17 <@kanzure> brownies: actually, maybe you have a few ideas..
14:17 <@kanzure> i am happy to write code to download papers, but there's this big pile of javascript that already does that
14:17 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/translators
14:17 <@kanzure> but it only works in firefox (the zotero extension)
14:17 <@kanzure> it would be nice to harness their momentum instead of reinventing the wheel
14:18 <@kanzure> so i was thinking of using substack's browserify or schoolbus.js thing with headless firefox (if such a thing exists), or porting it to phantomjs or something
14:18 <@kanzure> zotero's translators.git repository seems to be actively maintained. they fix things when publisher's websites break.
14:19 < brownies> i don't think there's headless firefox, but you can capybara using poltergeist, the phantomjs driver
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14:20 <@kanzure> brownies: but in that scenario, i'd have to write custom scrapers anyway, in which case why the fuck would i use capybara or poltergeist
14:21 < brownies> ohhh i see, firefox is a hard requirement
14:21 < brownies> i don't think you can get headless firefox
14:21 < brownies> especially not when you're depending on its extension functionality
14:23 <@kanzure> i figured as much :/
14:25 < brownies> you could approximate headlessness in some retarded way; e.g. run it remotely on an ubuntu VPS
14:31 < Mokbortolan_1> can anybody find this for me: Enhancement of selective attention by tDCS: interaction with interference in a Sternberg task.
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14:32 <@kanzure> brownies: i don't think that's appropriate. i'd rather just write my own scrapers before i'd do that.
14:34 < brownies> kanzure: heh. yeah, i don't know.... there's no elegant solutions here, just layers of duct tape.
14:35 < Mokbortolan_1> well, if you put some fiberglass down OVER the duck dape, then paint and polish it, it can look pretty nice!
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15:21 < Juul> does anyone know who is behind the rayfish thing?
15:24 < Juul> i really like it
15:25 < Juul> especially after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_NQj5HMx0
15:25 < chris_99> sounds sick to me
15:25 < chris_99> (not in a good way)
15:25 < Juul> it's a hoax
15:25 < chris_99> is it?
15:25 < Juul> yes
15:26 < chris_99> you're talking about the trainer thing?
15:26 < Juul> yes
15:26 < chris_99> how do you know it's a hoax?
15:26 < Juul> if you watch the video i just linked, you'll get an idea why they are trying to provoke this response
15:26 < chris_99> i haven't seen the video
15:27 < Juul> for one thing, the technology doesn't exist yet
15:27 < Steel2> I think it might be an arg
15:28 < Juul> Steel2, possibly
15:29 < Juul> it's most likely one of the environmentalism organizations
15:29 < Juul> which makes it all the more impressive
15:30 < chris_99> i can't see the point?
15:31 < Juul> get people outraged about genetic modification and the poor little rays and then as they are outraged show them that they constantly support companies with much worse business practices and start a debate about genetic engineering
15:33 <@kanzure> yawn.. why would i want to debate genetic engineering?
15:34 < TheEmpath> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor
15:35 < Juul> kanzure, because the general public is afraid and uninformed?
15:37 <@kanzure> Juul: the general public isn't going to help you with your genetic engineering projects anyway :)
15:37 < Juul> kanzure, true, but they might make it more difficult for me to do them legally
15:37 <@kanzure> yes, but you would probably still do it anyway
15:37 <@kanzure> i know you :)
15:38 < Juul> ssssh!
15:38 <@kanzure> oh i mean, yes that will stop you
15:38 < Juul> why would i do something if i can't tweet about it!
15:39 < Juul> if a tree falls in the forest, and no-one tweets an instagram of it, did it really fall?
15:39 < Juul> :P
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15:48 < strangewarp> it's me, I'm the tree
15:48 < TheEmpath> what the…. you're supposed to be dead!
15:53 < strangewarp> I was dead before I was alive so it's cool
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17:25 < brownies> i have coffee again... all is well with the world.
17:25 < brownies> jrayhawk: i'm seriously considering adding a cup or two of broth to the meal plan, after yesterday's research
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17:41 < jrayhawk> bone broth?
17:42 < brownies> chicken broth or something
17:43 < jrayhawk> Go for bone broth. Glutathione is incredibly important.
17:43 < brownies> you know, something ultra-salty
17:43  * brownies googles
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17:44 < brownies> interesting. never seen it/had it before, but i'll look for it at the store next time.
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17:45 < brownies> jrayhawk: thanks for the tip
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17:52 <@kanzure> brownies: aha! so you *do* go to the store.
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17:54 < jrayhawk> sell spotted, mister holmes
17:55 < jrayhawk> s/sell/well
17:55 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: well, he likes to pretend he just hires people to do those things
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18:06 < tashoutang> morning
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18:32 < delinquentme> wat.
18:32 < delinquentme> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444772404577587134096349766.html?mod=e2tw
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18:55 < delinquentme> OMG
18:55 < delinquentme> THE BEST THING EVER.
18:55 < delinquentme> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645
18:55 < delinquentme> man threatens for sue mozilla for 18 grand ...  THIS is his website: http://www.constellation7.org/
18:56 <@kanzure> "It is a VAST AMOUNT OF WORK, to rewite every page with this failure." he is doing stylesheets wrong
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19:00 <@kanzure> "My hourly rate as CEO of this Corporation is HK$1900 or US$247.00 per hour."
19:00 <@kanzure> oh so that's how much i should be charging for grep/sed work these days? hrmm
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19:12 < jrayhawk> good lord why is the bugzilla comment text preformatted
19:13 <@kanzure> bleh the 300 lines of smali barf that i've been tracing turns out to be just a complicated way of saying "take the md5sum of the input"
19:13 <@kanzure> i feel so defeated
19:20 < jrayhawk> it sounds like he was doing search and replace by hand
19:20 < jrayhawk> doing things by hand makes things better and more special
19:20 <@kanzure> i think it's cute that nobody called him out on the .htm/.html thing
19:20 < jrayhawk> i think there's a substantial backlog of things to call him out on
19:23 <@kanzure> i wonder if he really thinks he's communicating things when he makes the comparisons to microsoft
19:23 <@kanzure> obviously he knows nothing of mozilla's ways
19:24 <@kanzure> (except super old deprecated style prefixes?)
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20:08 < joshcryer> If you are mildly OCD like me doing things by hand is NECESSARY. ;P
20:10 < Steel2> welp, single again
20:10 < Steel2> maybe I should see if lepht wants to go on a date /joke
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20:25 < joshcryer> fu Steel2
20:25 < joshcryer> lepht is hot ;P
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21:41 <@kanzure> hi nmz787
21:41 < nmz787> hi kanzure
21:42 < nmz787> kanzure: fenn_ Home CNCing a boat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nITLI_WcnuM&feature=player_embedded
21:42 < nmz787> Here is the result "Szybkie rowery wodne - Fast pedal boats" -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0cgh-_46IA&list=UUcJmNXm7EUDd9zwRqLv08nA&index=2&feature=plcp
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22:31 < nmz787> kanzure: can you update the CAD FAQ sometime soon?
22:32 <@kanzure> with what?
22:32 <@kanzure> oh you mean actual content?
22:33 <@kanzure> it was mostly meant to be a rant about why blender and animation tools aren't CAD tools
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22:36 < ParahSailin__> i use metafont for cad
22:37 <@kanzure> i can never decide between svg and dwf but metafont is a fascinating pick..
22:37 < skorket> kanzure, nmz787, you guys have a laser cutter?
22:37 < jrayhawk> mspaint.exe
22:37 <@kanzure> skorket: i have a laser cutter somewhere, yeah
22:37 <@kanzure> skorket: but we were thinking about building http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher
22:37 < skorket> ah, yes, you've shown me before
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22:38 < skorket> the laser cutter you have is not high enough precision?
22:38 <@kanzure> nope
22:38 < skorket> what was it, may I ask?
22:39 < ParahSailin__> it was about 6
22:39 <@kanzure> ULS-25ER
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22:40 < skorket> what was the resolution and accuracy, if you know?
22:40 < ParahSailin__> 6 su
22:41 <@kanzure> it's in the logs somewhere, i forget
22:41 <@kanzure> millimeters or worse
22:41 < nmz787> ParahSailin_ 6U?? What?
22:42 < skorket> that was because of the laser beam or the gearing/steppers attached to it?
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22:42 < nmz787> Wozniak: Web crackdown coming, freedom failing  -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJnghGBBP2Q
22:42 <@kanzure> optics, steppers, general suckage
22:43 < skorket> how long before you get your new laser cutter up and running?  and why not use something off the shelf?
22:43 < nmz787> skorket: uses belts instead of lead screw with high number of threads, doesn't microstep, wrong laser wavelength for spot size we need
22:43 <@kanzure> because i don't want to pay $150,000 for an off-the-shelf micron-resolution laser cutter, fuck
22:43 <@kanzure> skorket: right now nathan doesn't know where he is going to be living and i'm hesitant to dump cash into equipment when it's just going to be abandoned (it's not cheap to move stuff)
22:44 <@kanzure> i'm cranky because i haven't slept in a few days
22:44 < nmz787> skorket: yeah I basically have to settle somewhere, but I just went to a hackerspace in manhattan and they at least have a mill
22:44  * kanzure sleeps
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22:50 < skorket> meaning you want lead screws instead of belts and you want microstepping?
22:51 <@kanzure> definitely not belts oh god why aren't i sleeping
22:51 <@kanzure> what if i have forgotten how to sleep
22:51 < skorket> what's wrong with belts?
22:52 < nmz787> i think there's more slop
22:52 < skorket> interesting.
22:53 < nmz787> skorket: do you know about CNC?
22:53 < skorket> I just purchased a kit from zen toolworks.  I'm trying to get a 'hello world' running right now
22:54 < skorket> electronics and steppers I purchased seperately, I just purchased the hardware from zen toolworks
22:54 < skorket> it's leadscrew with 1.25 pitch
22:56 < skorket> ...so 1.25 pitch, 400 steps per revolution, x16 microstepping gives .00015625 mm resolution?  isn't that within shooting range of what you guys need?
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23:22 < nmz787> yeah that's pretty good
23:22 < nmz787> which one did you get?
23:23 < nmz787> fenn_: you around?
23:30 < skorket> nmz787, http://www.zentoolworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=74 , ordered without the motors
23:30 < skorket> stepper motors:  https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10846? , stepper drivers:  http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1182
23:31 < skorket> with an arduino running grbl for the controller
23:31 < skorket> though I hear emc2, aka linuxcnc, is the way to go
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23:51 < nmz787> skorket: I know linuxcnc was thought to be too slow for what we wanted
23:51 < nmz787> skorket: so maybe gbrl is too (trying to find some old notes on the time calcs)
23:52 < skorket> what aspect was too slow?
23:53 < nmz787> i guess the parallel port speed which was still stable
23:54 < nmz787> for the cut rate we wanted
23:54 < skorket> I'd be interested to see those calculations
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