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00:38 < nmz787> Mariu: basically what jrayhawk said, unless we use up some overhead for error correction (I dunno how much that would effectively reduce the bits/gram figure)... as well sequencing and synthesis especially have to catch up some
00:38 < nmz787> sequencing should catch up pretty fast if oxford nanopore is for real
00:39 < Mariu> nmz787, got it
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07:18 <@kanzure> oh the netsplit
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08:37 <@kanzure> https://github.com/Joaz/postindustrial_automation
08:40 <@kanzure> olook another thingiverse scraper https://github.com/grevaillot/thingscrap
08:41 <@kanzure> and another one https://github.com/punkmanufacturing/thingiverse-backup
08:42 <@kanzure> apparently i wrote this one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/thingiverse.py
08:42 <@kanzure> and someone else wrote this one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/bl3dr/
08:46 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap-github-links.txt
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09:30 <@kanzure> so breakout labs is now funding modern meadow. looks like the same deal that 3scan got?
09:31 <@kanzure> http://organprint.missouri.edu/www/forgacs.php
09:31 <@kanzure> jmil: do you know him?
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09:56 < jrayhawk> I guess backups are one application for which mutability doesn't matter.
09:57 < jrayhawk> so that'd just be waiting on synthesis and sequencing to become economical.
09:58 <@kanzure> 700 TB of synthesis would presently cost.. uh.. $1.318 trillion
09:59 <@kanzure> oh oops. i forgot to multiply by 700. so anyway, a lot.
10:00 < jrayhawk> "own every movie, tv series, and song ever made on DNA! experience all culture in our cultures today!"
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10:02 < Mariu> lol
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10:40 < nmz787> is there an audio search engine? i have a youtube clip and I want to search for similar audio (the audio is very similar to what I am looking for... its pretty much a remix/retake)
10:41 < Mariu> you will have to have a microfon and a certain software
10:41 < Mariu> I had one on my other machines, forgot the name
10:41 < Mariu> *machine
10:41 < Mariu> okay, I remebered it
10:42 < Mariu> it's called "Tunatic"
10:42 < nmz787> hmm
10:42 < nmz787> i think i figured it out on my own
10:42 < Mariu> cool
10:42 < nmz787> knowing what album the specific take i want is on
10:42 < Mariu> does it have any lyrics ?
10:43 < Mariu> my songs have no lyrics (the ones I like), so it's quite difficult to find them =p
10:47 < nmz787> yeah, it's called "got to find a way" by "otis clay"
10:47 < nmz787> but the take i want is off the "best of" CD
10:48 < nmz787> the youtube ones are good, but they lack a few of the extra horns or something
10:48 < nmz787> i have the best of CD somewhere (maybe the car)
10:49 < nmz787> is there anything like kazaa anymore?
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11:33 <@kanzure> are these cheap? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_analyzer
11:34 < ThomasEgi> depends on the bus system. but for most "uselful" bus systems those are pretty expensive
11:38 < nmz787> kanzure: get this if you want to reverse engineer physical stuff http://www.pctestinstruments.com/index.htm
11:38 < nmz787> you can add the "bus" decrypter stuff yourself
11:39 < nmz787> but that has sufficient I/O and acquisition freq for most consumer stuff outside GHz
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11:41 <@kanzure> huh? i think the bus analyzer is specific to that connector form factor?
11:41 <@kanzure> and i don't see how this intronix thing would work with that form factor?
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12:07 < archels> kanzure: you can get logic analysers for as cheap as $40
12:07 < archels> maximum sampling frequency tends to be on the order of 10, 20 MHz
12:08 < archels> obvious question, but what are you trying to do?
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12:09 <@kanzure> archels: nothing. i was just curious about that bus one.
12:14 < nmz787> archels: the analyzer i linked to can do 500MHz with no decrease as # channels go up
12:15 < nmz787> kanzure: not sure what you mean "connection for factor"... the analyzer i linked to has lead probes, you can connect them to any connector
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12:27 < archels> nmz787: It can measure signals up to 250 MHz, which is indeed very good, and the price is also quite agreeable.
12:27 < archels> Of course it all depends on what one's requirements are.
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12:54 < nmz787> archels: ahh, off by 2X... been a while since i looked at it carefully
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15:13 <@kanzure> i wonder if anyone is hijacking google's javascript-enabled browsers to do clickfraud from their simulated clients
15:16 <@kanzure> this is a fairly interesting attack: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ygv55/ive_been_noticing_huge_influx_of_spam_on_reddit/
15:16 <@kanzure> the attacker uses googieapis.com to host manipulated javascript that- other than some minor alterations- matches the minified jquery version that developers might have typed
15:16 <@kanzure> then any websites with typos in production will continue to work, but loading this tampered version
15:17 <@kanzure> the other step is to publish some tutorials to link to the tampered version, and unsuspecting developers will probably copy+paste the html line
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15:28 < Prototyp> Hi, Mariu.
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17:02 < nmz787> does anyone know if i can use the strings program to search for ASCII like i would in a hex editor?
17:02 <@kanzure> yes
17:03 <@kanzure> strings libfuckyou.so | grep "thing"
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17:20 < nmz787> thats what i thought
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17:33 <@kanzure> so.. i'm looking at zotero translators
17:33 <@kanzure> and they have a server that runs in xpcshell instead of using firefox
17:33 <@kanzure> https://github.com/zotero/translation-server
17:33 <@kanzure> but if you look at the recent commits, it's jason morrison (from diybio)
17:34 <@kanzure> in fact, this explains a few things about andrew hessel and pinkarmy..
17:34 <@kanzure> https://github.com/jasonm/pinkarmy-wp
17:34 <@kanzure> https://github.com/jasonm/pinkarmy-memberships
17:34 <@kanzure> https://github.com/jasonm/bioweathermap
17:34 <@kanzure> https://github.com/jasonm/futurelabcamp.org
17:34 <@kanzure> https://github.com/jasonm/diybio.org
17:34 <@kanzure> so, i thought mac did futurelabcamp.org and i thought jason bobe did bioweathermap's software
17:34 <@kanzure> but apparently they've all been using jason morrison
17:35 <@kanzure> i am so disappointed
17:43 < nmz787> :o
17:44 < nmz787> is zotero good? do you use it?
17:47 <@kanzure> i once used it
17:47 <@kanzure> but uh, i use it for the pdf scrapers
17:47 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/translators
17:50 < nmz787> hmm
17:50 < nmz787> so given a pdf it spits out a citation?
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17:56 < HaXB1n> I use zotero and I think is very handy
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18:12 < tashoutang> morning
18:13 < HaXB1n> morning
18:13 < HaXB1n> hi I'm new here and I am looking for some software or a data base that list all the promotors of a gene. Does that exist?
18:13 < Mariu> later everyone
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18:22 < tashoutang> HaXB1n: I think there should be.... but could they say that contains "all" promoter? I do not think so... anyway, try to google, or ncbi that keyword "promoter database"...
18:25 < HaXB1n> I tried that before, thanks anyways
18:38 < tashoutang> I found a lot of information there... too much...
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18:46 < nmz787> HaXB1n: not that I know of
18:47 < nmz787> HaXB1n: you generally search for promoters based on the species of interest you're working with
18:47 < nmz787> or as close to that evolutionarily
18:47 < HaXB1n> I'm looking all the promoters of the Socs family genes
18:47 < nmz787> even gram negative vs gram positive can sometimes work
18:48 < nmz787> in humans
18:48 < HaXB1n> I found a software that does that but you have to pay a lot for it
18:48 < HaXB1n> yes in humans
18:49 < ParahSailin_> enhancers is a word you might try searching for instead of promoter
18:51 < HaXB1n> ParahSalin_: thanks
18:53 < HaXB1n> also thanks nmz787 I found it in promoter database
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19:05 < nmz787> kanzure: jrayhawk: if i change iptables how do i refresh to get the changes to take effect?
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19:34 < jrayhawk> If you have connection tracking, old versions of the tables will be kept around for existing connections.
19:34 < jrayhawk> Otherwise, changes should take effect instantaneously with usage of iptables or iptables-restore
19:35 < jrayhawk> this 'old tables' behavior is important for when you fuck up and your only lifeline is your existing SSH connection
19:36 <@kanzure> i wish i was better at iptables
19:38 < jrayhawk> if you try to use iptables, keep http://www.aptalaska.net/~jclive/IPTablesFlowChart.pdf handy
19:38 < jrayhawk> every other flowchart is awful
19:39 <@kanzure> i wasn't even aware that i needed a flowchart
19:39 < jrayhawk> it is essential. iptables is not intuitive.
19:40 <@kanzure> oh maybe that's why i haven't intuited its operation yet
19:41 <@kanzure> recently i have had a few situations where iptable-based forwarding/routing would have been a good idea (i think) (had i known how to make this work)
19:41 < jrayhawk> you can fake most interesting port operations in userspace with socat
19:45 <@kanzure> hrrm socat TCP-LISTEN:80,fork TCP:www.domain.org:80
19:45 <@kanzure> http://technostuff.blogspot.com/2008/10/some-useful-socat-commands.html
19:45 <@kanzure> oh "socket cat". makes sense now.
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19:48 < nmz787> hmm
19:49 < nmz787> yeah trying to redirected TCP traffic through this rtmpsrv program to find the rtmp stream
19:49 < nmz787> i've also tried using gdb to dump the RAM via the gcore command, and searching the dump for rtmp:// to no luck
19:50 < nmz787> the RAM for firefox, chrome, and plugin-containe (which was active when firefox was playing the video)
19:50 <@kanzure> use rtmpdump
19:51 <@kanzure> or show it to me and i can look at it
19:53 < nmz787> http://stream-recorder.com/forum/use-rtmpdump-rtmpsrv-linux-t7661.html?s=64103a5b71adfc8b25df1c97a3161ab5&amp;
19:53 <@kanzure> but what stream do you need?
19:53 < nmz787> but the iptables line isn't working
19:54 < nmz787> this and another from this site http://www.jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b887
19:54 < nmz787> http://www.jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b885
19:56 < nmz787> i found with wireshark a GET for an mp4
19:56 < nmz787> rtmpdump -r "http://91.212.13.24/" -p "jogyjogy.com/watch.php?id=1b887" -y mp4:24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4
19:56 < nmz787> but that doesnt work
19:56 <@kanzure> i'm not sure -y is correct here?
19:56 < nmz787> this just returns junk wget 91.212.13.24/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4
19:57 <@kanzure> well, that's not the right port anyway
19:58 < nmz787> the GET does it on port 80
20:04 < nmz787> jrayhawk: this does nothing sudo socat TCP4-LISTEN:80 TCP4:localhost:1935
20:08 < jrayhawk> ,fork is a useful addition to listen statements
20:08 < jrayhawk> 'sudo netstat -lpn' will give you open network sockets in a 'listen' state
20:09 < jrayhawk> rtmpdump is probably not going to be useful as a MITM for HTTP
20:10 < jrayhawk> you should probably match the HTTP headers as best you can (agent, cookies, etc.) with wget or curl.
20:10 < jrayhawk> and keep in mind you probably have a window of minutes to do so.
20:11 <@kanzure> you could use a proxy (like burp or charlie) for mitm
20:11 < jrayhawk> I think wireshark's HTTP module can also reconstruct the files from GET requests
20:14 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i doubt headers/cookies would work here because it's just a standard nginx server on port 80
20:14 <@kanzure> i mean, most people don't route bad headers/cookies to the default nginx page..
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20:21 < jrayhawk> uh, nginx servers are typically transparent proxies
20:21 < JayDugger> 4
20:24 < jmil> kanzure: what about forgacs?
20:49 < augur> this oxford prof is a dope
20:50 <@kanzure> jmil: do you know him?
20:51 < jmil> kanzure: not in person. but very familiar with his work
20:51 < jmil> how come kanzure ?
20:51 <@kanzure> his company recently got funding from peter thiel
20:51 <@kanzure> who i was mentioning to you earlier for funding sources
20:52 <@kanzure> by recently i mean yesterday
20:53 < jmil> cool thanks
20:53 < jmil> what is thiel's funding mechanism?
20:54 <@kanzure> he's batman
20:54 < jmil> i mean can i apply/compete for funding from him? does he have a foundation?
20:54 <@kanzure> yes he has many foundations
20:55 <@kanzure> breakout labs is what you should look at first
20:55 <@kanzure> then there's thiel foundation and founder's fund
20:55 <@kanzure> "Thiel was ranked #293 on the Forbes 400 in 2011, with a net worth of $1.5 billion as of March 2012"
20:55 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel
20:55 <@kanzure> "He was the first outside investor in Facebook, the popular social-networking site, with a 10.2% stake acquired in 2004 for $500,000"
20:56 < jmil> cool
20:57 < jmil> breakout labs ftw
20:57 < jmil> thanks!
21:00 <@kanzure> so 10.2% of $104 billion is.. yeah pete is doing ok
21:01 < nmz787> hmm, so i can wget this link http://ms1.jogyjogy.com/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4
21:01 < nmz787> 91.212.13.24/24fa7fb8375cda5aedb4c631041932a7_0.mp4
21:01 < nmz787> so why does the second link fail?
21:01 < nmz787> when i substitute the server's IP for the hostname ?
21:02 <@kanzure> web servers only respond to certain hostnames
21:02 < jrayhawk> Host: is an important http header
21:02 <@kanzure> you can run multiple websites from a single ip address
21:05 < nmz787> hrmm
21:05 < nmz787> well its downloading now by just wgetting
21:05 < nmz787> i guess the swf was just a custom player
21:06 <@kanzure> yes
21:06 <@kanzure> most often there's these people that sell assholes .swf files that just load files from other places
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21:23 <@kanzure> and then they load these retarded config.xml fiels
21:23 <@kanzure> *files
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22:03 <@kanzure> HaXB1n: so what is your background?
22:04 < HaXB1n> kanzure: I'm studing biotechnology
22:04 < HaXB1n> and yours?
22:06 < nmz787> HaXB1n: where?
22:06 <@kanzure> i am an rtmpdump student
22:06 <@kanzure> with a socat subspecialty
22:06 <@kanzure> one day i hope to get a phd in iptables
22:07 < HaXB1n> I never heard of that before, but it sounds like programing to me
22:08 < nmz787> it is :P
22:08 < HaXB1n> what is great for me
22:08 < nmz787> so where do you go to school?
22:08 < nmz787> or are you totally DIY?
22:09 < HaXB1n> nmz787: well my studies are in mexico and germany
22:09 < HaXB1n> nmz787: what about you?
22:14 < HaXB1n> kanzure: do you know how or where  to start learning C, pearl, phyton and R programing by myself? (webpages, videos, books)
22:18 < brownies> Pearl and Phyton eh?
22:19 < brownies> kanzure: the 10.2 was diluted, surely, but... yeah.
22:19 < HaXB1n> brownies: yeah I'm a starter and looking for information about those languages
22:20 < brownies> HaXB1n: pick one
22:20 < klafka> HaXB1n the internet
22:20 < klafka> there is a lot of info
22:21 < yashgaroth> do you have experience with programming? if yes, python. if no, python
22:21 < klafka> man i just got a giant book of ios programming
22:21 < brownies> don't buy books
22:21 < brownies> *to learn programming
22:21 < klafka> i buy books
22:21 < brownies> in general, do buy books.
22:21 < klafka> to learn programming
22:21 < klafka> i have a very nice mongodb and hadoop books
22:22 < strangewarp> Python is good, I've been meaning to learn more of it
22:23 < strangewarp> Definitely going to write a utility script in Python for an in-progress art project I have going
22:23 < brownies> he's right. start with python.
22:23 < klafka> yeah python is a good one to start with
22:23 < brownies> HaXB1n: here, read this book http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/
22:23 < brownies> it's free
22:24 < HaXB1n> thanks!
22:25  * strangewarp grabs that as well..
22:26 < HaXB1n> some people have told me that I should start with C because you learn habits and then the others languages will be more easily to learn
22:26 < klafka> LOL no
22:26 < HaXB1n> what do you say about that?
22:26 < klafka> terrible terrible idea
22:26 < klafka> C is really weird and annoying to do lots of things in
22:26 < strangewarp> C is for shitty people in programming school who want to write 1000-line Hello World programs
22:27 < HaXB1n> what do you think those people told me that?
22:27 < klafka> no idea
22:27 < strangewarp> Probably because there's some conventional wisdom that C is a good first language... but it's wisdom from like, 1998
22:27 < augur> use haskell!
22:28 < augur> =x
22:28 < nmz787> C is a good language to learn early
22:28 < nmz787> though I started learning C when I was 12 or so
22:28 < klafka> i mean i guess C was the first language i started learning after basic
22:28 < klafka> well C++
22:28 < nmz787> my first was BASIC or qBASIC
22:28 < HaXB1n> It's true, they told me that it will be hard and you will write enormous and robust code but they made enphasis on the "You will learn habits"
22:29 < nmz787> at the same time that I was learning C I was also learning LEGO mindstorms labview-based programming
22:29 < nmz787> so that helped
22:30 < nmz787> there are only a few "habits" IMO, and that's mainly { to open a loop or new function, and } to close that
22:30 < klafka> i think now though python is a useful language and you can learn algorithms and programming paradigms
22:30 < klafka> as opposed to minutiae of a quirky language
22:30 < nmz787> whereas in python you just type : at the end of those lines and then indent the following lines until the end of the function
22:31 < nmz787> yeah python is pretty much the "get shit done" language
22:32 < nmz787> you can couple C to it though in a lot of cases, if you absolutely need some crazy high-performance algorithm or something
22:32 < klafka> yeah
22:32 < klafka> i did that quite a bit in grad school
22:36 < strangewarp> huh
22:36 < strangewarp> "Hello World Problems"
22:37 < HaXB1n> well I will read the book think python to start with
22:38 < HaXB1n> and did anyone heard R programming before?
22:38 < brownies> yeah, but learn Python first
22:38 < brownies> R is weird
22:39 < nmz787> skorket: fenn_: I'd like to find a cheaper version of this http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/AllegroMicroSystems/Detail?no=567
22:40 < HaXB1n> I will, but what do you mean by weird? is it difficult?
22:43 < klafka> R has weird syntax
22:43 < klafka> R is largely for data analysis
22:43 < klafka> R is for if you understand statistics and you want to type a single function to do some stats
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22:44 < brownies> ^
22:46 < HaXB1n> well thanks for your answers, now I will be afk
22:46 < HaXB1n> cu
22:48 < nmz787> R didn't stick with me when I was using it
22:54 < augur> R has always seemed like a giant hack to me
22:55 < augur> lots of weird ways of doing things that should be trivial
22:57 < foucist> C & C like languages are pretty shitty languages to learn first
22:57 < foucist> java, etc heh
22:59 < augur> yeah
23:02 < skorket> nmz787, the best I can come up with is to just build a test rig yourself:  http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=a4989 , http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=59M1658&CMP=KNC-GPLA
23:02 < nmz787> i don't like java
23:02 < skorket> I'm not sure what to do about the mosfets...
23:03 < skorket> futurelec has some nice adaptors, but I don't see any 38 pint tssop ones.  http://www.futurlec.com/SMD_Adapters.shtml
23:04 < nmz787> there are schmartboards
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