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00:05 < nmz787> http://wholebraincatalog.org/
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00:08 < nmz787> this video is quite good http://www.cwgp.org/drew_berry.php
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01:27 < fenn> i'm a big fan of drew berry's work. downloaded all his stuff, it's around here somewhere..
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01:36 < fenn> "a day made of glass" is more about touchscreens and gestural interfaces than anything
01:36 < fenn> and, it makes me want to puke. EOM
01:37 < fenn> "3d projection"? wtf is that?
01:38 < fenn> why are there humans driving the cars?
01:39 < fenn> why do the kids have backpacks when they have these super fancy smartphones?
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01:44 < strangewarp> The humans are driving cars because of shitty moral-panic-driven laws against driverless cars
01:44 < strangewarp> The kids have backpacks for bottles of alcohol
01:44 < strangewarp> gosh it's obvious
01:46 < fenn> this video would make a lot more sense if it had been made by samsung
01:46 < fenn> they're already making those see through window displays
01:47 < fenn> "driverless cars" reminds me of "horseless carriage"
01:47 < fenn> if the tablets werent made of glass they wouldnt need cases
01:48 < fenn> and a glass dashboard seems like a terrible idea
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02:00 < nmz787> fenn, so I heard microstepping is bad if you use a motor that's designed for high holding torque
02:00 < nmz787> because the magnetic field doesn't fall off from the tooth with the cosine/sine rule
02:02 < fenn> yes, i told you about that a long time ago
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02:03 < fenn> i know the guy who designed the lookup table to compensate for that
02:03 < fenn> same lookup table is used in almost every stepper controller chip, but it's not perfect
02:04 < nmz787> this guy is where i first saw it http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~valvano/Datasheets/StepperMicrostep.pdf
02:04 < nmz787> he has a lot of other papers too if you just go up the URL
02:04 < nmz787> http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~valvano/Datasheets/StepperSelection.pdf
02:04 < nmz787> well this was saying that you just shouldn't use high-holding torque motors
02:05 < nmz787> if you want good microstepping
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02:05 < fenn> so you want something like slo-syn instead?
02:06 < fenn> actually i don't know which kind of motors are most linear
02:06 < nmz787> what's that?
02:06 < fenn> an old motor design you find in a lot of scrapped scientific equipment, it's usually painted grayish teal, and looks like a fat cylinder
02:07 < nmz787> hmm http://www.contraptor.org/forum/t-273788/micro-cnc-laser
02:07 < fenn> they can be driven by sinusoidal AC or using square waves
02:07 < fenn> heh contraptor, i forgot about that guy
02:08 < nmz787> so why didn't you choose to build the laser_etcher to look like this? http://cncestablishment.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cnc-engraving-machine.jpg
02:09 < fenn> i explained all that in the last email
02:09 < fenn> i could be wrong. only one way to find out
02:10 < nmz787> hmm
02:10 < fenn> the contraptor forum etcher looks pretty good
02:10 < nmz787> i don't really see an explanation of this particular config
02:10 < nmz787> you talked about MDF
02:10 < nmz787> and oil bearings
02:10 < fenn> okay what is the exact question then?
02:11 < nmz787> well that image that i just posted *looks* different than your SCAD rendering
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02:11 < fenn> in many ways
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02:12 < fenn> it's not a rendering, for one
02:12 < nmz787> uhh
02:12 < nmz787> a screenshot of a rendering?
02:13 < fenn> you mean why do i have two sets of ways bolted to the same plate?
02:13 < fenn> or "why didnt you make a gantry router"
02:13 < nmz787> well they both apply
02:13 < fenn> (also those things suck as routers)
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02:13 < nmz787> yeah so both of those questions
02:14 < fenn> 1) for rigidity, 2) i thought it would be better to keep the laser tube stationary if we decided to use a CO2 laser
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02:15 < fenn> adding flying optics would complicate the design
02:15 < nmz787> sure
02:16 < nmz787> so is that model complete?
02:16 < fenn> no
02:16 < nmz787> if I got openSCAD running could I follow it as a pictorial guide to getting it together?
02:16 < fenn> yes
02:16 < fenn> you'd have to calculate some dimensions though
02:16 < fenn> as far as i can tell there are no "measure this distance" tools in openscad
02:16 < nmz787> so what's missing, if its not completer
02:16 < nmz787> complete*
02:17 < nmz787> or is it those exact distances that is missing?
02:17 < fenn> it's missing the top and bottom plates, the bolt hole locations, the leadscrews and leadnuts and bearing mounts and stepper motor mounts, and it needs some kind of right angle bracket to hold the laser optics
02:17 < nmz787> did you just eyeball the structure with no real measurments?
02:18 < fenn> the structure is eyeballed, but the parts are modeled after real parts (or the provided cad drawings at least)
02:18 < fenn> it should look like the rendering if built to the dimensions in the openscad file
02:18 < nmz787> for the optics you mean anything that could hover about the setup?
02:18 < fenn> right
02:19 < fenn> i was thinking some kind of optical breadboard at 90 degrees to the motion stage
02:19 < nmz787> hmm
02:19 < nmz787> the screws, bearings and motor mounts are the only things I think I am not clear on then
02:20 < nmz787> rather, how those items connect together
02:23 < fenn> hm, i hadn't tested to make sure all the dimensions work the way i had imagined
02:23 < fenn> but it should be close enough to take out any vertical slop with shims
02:24 < nmz787> hmm, any chance you'd be interested in adding the screws and bearings and motor mounts to the CAD ?
02:25 < fenn> do you have the file support_block.scad in your working dir?
02:25 < fenn> just wondering if i had pushed it earlier
02:28 < nmz787> its here http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/
02:28 < fenn> ok
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02:31 < fenn> you should add links to any whitepapers you find relevant in the laser_etcher.mdwn
02:32 < nmz787> ahh, ok
02:32 < fenn> i was considering using a "flexure bearing" to connect the lead nut and the moving part of each axis
02:33 < fenn> but it turns out one can't simply buy his way into mordor
02:33 < fenn> i mean, buy a flexure bearing
02:35 < nmz787> hmm
02:35 < fenn> the point would be to prevent rocking deflection perpendicular to the axis of motion from a slightly eccentric leadscrew
02:36 < fenn> this was a problem on the makerbot Z axis at one point and solved in a similar way
02:36 < nmz787> so is it just a bearing in a rubber block?
02:36 < fenn> no
02:37 < fenn> it only flexes in one direction, or two directions
02:37 < fenn> one moment, the internet is not cooperating
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02:43 < fenn> blarg. well this is the best pic of it i can find: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2151 http://www.thingiverse.com/image:36713
02:43 < fenn> it's not a particularly brilliant design but i hope you get the idea
02:43 < fenn> the vertical rigidity is greater than the horizontal rigidity
02:44 < fenn> so the nut can move around in X and Y without affecting the Z position
02:46 < fenn> oh, the makerbot wobble arrester is only really designed to flex in one direction
02:48 < nmz787> hmm, so you can't buy one of those?
02:49 < fenn> not that i can find
02:49 < fenn> it's a trivial waterjet job though
02:49 < nmz787> can we just use that design, printed locally or from shapeways?
02:50 < nmz787> or is that design inadequate?
02:50 < fenn> it would need to be modified to fit our nut, and then might as well just redesign it from scratch
02:51 < fenn> it may not be necessary at all though
02:51 < nmz787> seems like its just a spring though, which on the makerbot Z aren't there multiple screws?
02:51 < fenn> i just wanted to convey the concept to you
02:51 < nmz787> where we'll only have 1 screw in any direction
02:52 < fenn> these are true statements, but i don't see your point
02:52 < nmz787> so on the makerbot it seems like the actual position of the stage would just be something in between all 4 Z screws, thanks to the wobble arrester springs
02:52 < fenn> oh. yeah, the makerbot is overconstrained
02:53 < nmz787> well I guess we'd need this item on the nut, and leave the Z constrained by the linear rails?
02:53 < fenn> yes
02:53 < nmz787> without this, it would just put undue pressure on the plate/slide bearings
02:54 < nmz787> i think
02:54 < fenn> this is to prevent an eccentric leadscrew from causing uneven friction with the nut, and to prevent side loading of the axis
02:54 < nmz787> right
02:54 < nmz787> ok
02:55 < fenn> so i remember where i stopped working last time, i was trying to "save time" by using existing bearing and stepper motor models
02:55 < fenn> but the existing libraries are more of a pain to use than they're worth
02:58 < nmz787> I remember you linked to something like 'worlds smallest Z stepper' or something a while ago
02:58 < nmz787> something from a CD drive I think
02:59 < nmz787> hacked
03:00 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 7d48ccc 
03:01 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 8548e40 
03:06 < fenn> was there supposed to be a commit message?
03:07 < fenn> hm i guess not
03:07 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: c8f5071 
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03:16 < nmz787> fenn, anything that I could help with to further your completion of that model?
03:18 < fenn> find me a nema23 stepper model in openscad
03:19 < fenn> and a 16mm bearing model and 20mm ish thrust bearing
03:19 < nmz787> ok, will try to do when i wake up
03:19  * nmz787 heads toward bed
03:19 < fenn> perhaps i can just use simple cylinders as stand ins
03:19 < fenn> gnight
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04:32 <@kanzure> oh look. a wild fenn appeared!
04:34 < foucist> quick, get the pokeball out!
04:43 <@kanzure> i am a conscientious objector
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04:54 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: f928f89 added motor and bracket mockup, need accurate dimensions still
04:54 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: e56df72 clean up coupler dimensions, add hole to bracket for motor shaft
04:54 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: b196e42 added some leadscrew jazz
04:54 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 461f9c6 finish leadscrew
04:55 < fenn> let nmz787 know about  http://fennetic.net/irc/leadscrew_assembly.png
04:55 <@kanzure> how do i convince him to use commit messages?
04:56 < fenn> with a large blunt object
04:56 < fenn> such as a trout
04:56 <@kanzure> ... or maybe a pokeball?
04:56 < fenn> not large enough
04:57 < fenn> is there a way to measure distances between points in an stl file?
04:58 <@kanzure> stl is dimensionless but i think blender has some things that pretend to be rulers and measuring sticks?
04:58 < fenn> like, click here, click here, what's the distance
04:58 < fenn> oh right, blender
04:59 < fenn> that nema 23 motor looks really huge in comparison
05:02 <@kanzure> which scad nema motors did you look at?
05:03 < fenn> some stuff in MCAD
05:04 <@kanzure> there's also things like.. http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3165
05:05 <@kanzure> oh nevermind.. elmom considers his version more complete
05:05 < fenn> cube(size=[bolt_hole_distance+bolt_hole_size+5,
05:05 < fenn> really? the cube is just 5 mm bigger than the bolt holes?
05:06 < fenn> well i guess that works
05:06 < fenn> nema spec says no greater than 57mm
05:07 < fenn> 1.856in+0.195in+5mm = 57.09 mm
05:08 < fenn> blarg why can't everyone just use mm
05:10 < fenn> they also seem to think the motor shaft is 6.36mm while the motors i have are actually 5mm
05:10 < fenn> maybe i should measure that again
05:12 < fenn> so, i'm probably going to go be a hippie and build earthbag domes in the desert
05:13 <@kanzure> is this just a creative way of saying "i'm going to burning man again"?
05:13 < fenn> not that i'm particularly fond of digging in the dirt, but it seems to be a proven design
05:13 < fenn> i'm not going to burning man this year
05:14 < fenn> s/earthbag/superadobe/
05:15 < fenn> ideally i'd have a robocrane squirt out a concrete shell just like a giant reprap
05:17 < fenn> did dave take my electronics junk too? or is that still in austin?
05:18 <@kanzure> les might still have a few boxes
05:18 <@kanzure> i don't think i had any
05:18 < fenn> you have some sensors from sparkfun and a lego house
05:18 < fenn> and possibly some documents
05:18 <@kanzure> sounds right to me
05:19 < fenn> i should tell les about magnesium
05:19 < fenn> i've never seen the man touch a green piece of food
05:20 <@kanzure> i think his diet is taco bell sauce packets
05:20 < fenn> and whataburger shakes
05:21 < fenn> my new breakfast: 1c hot water, 1T miso, 1t dried seaweed, 1t kelp powder, 1c soba, 1/2 can salmon
05:22 < fenn> it's practically instant if you have a zojirushi
05:22 < fenn> (hot water dispenser)
05:24 < fenn> substitute mackerel for salmon if you're poor
05:29 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 67bbbbf i guess i have to use colors inside the module
05:29 < fenn> ah good push works as expected now
05:30 <@kanzure> looks the same?
05:32 < fenn> [remote "origin"]
05:32 < fenn>         url = fenn@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git
05:32 < fenn>  works now with "git push"
05:32 < fenn> before i had to do git push fenn@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git master
05:32 <@kanzure> oh i assumed you had that
05:32 <@kanzure> i see
05:32 < fenn> i did have that
05:32 < fenn> but something changed and it works now.. anyway
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07:52 <@kanzure> "The research you've published in Nucleic Acids Research has contributed to the journal's highest-ever 8.026 Impact Factor from Thomson Reuters' Journal Citation Reports."
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08:12 <@kanzure> hmm "Astrobotic today announced a NASA contract to develop technologies for exploring caves on the Moon" so uh, what caves are there?
08:19 < chris_99> can you get high resolution servo controlled robotic arms?
08:29 < jrayhawk> [url "jrayhawk@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/"] pushInsteadOf = git://diyhpl.us/
08:29 < jrayhawk>         pushInsteadOf = git://diyhpl.us/
08:29 < jrayhawk> ugh, i wonder why that doesn't copy and paste right
08:30 < jrayhawk> [url "jrayhawk@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/"]
08:30 < jrayhawk>         pushInsteadOf = git://diyhpl.us/
08:30 < jrayhawk> there we go
08:30 < jrayhawk> doing something like that might also make your lives slightly easier
08:33 <@kanzure> i never try to push via git:// on diyhpl.us
08:34 < jrayhawk> that would make sense considering it wouldn't work without some special effort
08:35 <@kanzure> is "special effort" a euphemism for "jrayhawk does it"
08:36 < jrayhawk> possibly. i don't remember if git-daemon needs to have its command line changed, but at least the repositories need a special configuration to allow that sort of export.
08:36 <@kanzure> i see
08:36 <@kanzure> (it's not particularly important to me)
08:36 < jrayhawk> core.sharedrepository needs to be 0666, obviously
08:37 < jrayhawk> daemon.uploadarch needs to be set to true, i guess
08:38 < jrayhawk> and daemon.receivepack
08:39 < jrayhawk> anyway, once you have that pushInsteadOf override in place, you can switch remote.origin.url over to git://
08:39 < jrayhawk> and pulling is magically less irritating
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09:10 <@kanzure> "As far as I can tell, biohackers are all adventurous young people, incredibly athletic, and they’re all traveling the world."
09:10 <@kanzure> stewart brand has a messed up conception of me :P
09:10 <@kanzure> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/ff_stewartbrand/all/
09:11 <@kanzure> but i do find it funny that kevin kelly and stew are still pimping well
09:11 <@kanzure> i mean, Well
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10:18 < archels> seems the media is all over everyone recently who is affiliated with the Long Now Foundation.
10:25 <@kanzure> nah.. stew/kk/that gang has had positive media since forever
10:25 <@kanzure> everyone likes the "friendly old guys talking about edge.org stuff"
10:25 <@kanzure> "edge.org: TED but without herpes"
10:27 <@kanzure> oh he did venter recently.. http://edge.org/conversation/what-is-life
10:27 <@kanzure> (video)
10:27 <@kanzure> oh nope. there's a transcript.
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11:49 < archels> By agreement with the publisher, this book is accessible by the search feature, but cannot be browsed.
11:49 < archels> ^ on pubmed. Interesting.
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11:50 <@kanzure> archels: pubmed is negotiating with publishers?
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12:57 <@kanzure> nmz787: how's meredith?
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13:41 <@kanzure> http://options-vs-salary.com/ is a neat tool.
13:44 < chris_99> fancy
13:51 < brownies> not a very good UX
13:51 < brownies> but i guess it's nice of them to do the multiplication for you
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14:18 < chris_99> http://neurophone.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/make-a-diy-flanagan-neurophone-with-a-tl494/#
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14:22 <@kanzure> hi loanshark
14:23 < loanshark> hey again
14:23 <@kanzure> so you want to get into bioengineering
14:23 <@kanzure> try this? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq
14:23 < loanshark> yes!
14:23 < loanshark> thankyou
14:23 < loanshark> i have one question
14:24 < loanshark> its about obtaining DNA because i watched that video about making antidepressant yogurt
14:24 <@kanzure> that guy didn't really make antidepressant yogurt
14:24 <@kanzure> he was bullshitting you
14:24 < loanshark> where do you order the genes?
14:24 < loanshark> o.o
14:24 < loanshark> awww
14:24 < yashgaroth> there's no prozac gene
14:24 < loanshark> i thought that was cool
14:25 <@kanzure> as far as i know there's no prozac gene or prozac metabolic pathway
14:25 < yashgaroth> plus it's got a bunch of fluorines on there which is pretty much impossible to do enzymatically
14:26 < EnLilaSko> loanshark: The video was pretty much showing you can do shittons of stuff at home, but the prozac part was just a joke/troll
14:26 < yashgaroth> I wish he
14:26 < yashgaroth> 'd made that last part more obvious
14:26 < loanshark> xD
14:26 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: i should just make wild claims like that too
14:27 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: "i have created yogurt that turns me into a hermit!"
14:27 <@kanzure> wait maybe that's not sufficiently impressive
14:27 < EnLilaSko> lol
14:27 < loanshark> :3
14:27 < yashgaroth> oh I made a talking mouse
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14:27 < loanshark> anyways, where do you get the DNA?
14:27 < loanshark> o.o
14:27 < EnLilaSko> "I make a yogurt curing AIDS"
14:27 < EnLilaSko> All the newspaper would write about it
14:27 < yashgaroth> what DNA
14:27 < EnLilaSko> He gives you a site loanshark.
14:27 <@kanzure> loanshark: you can get dna from yourself
14:27 < EnLilaSko> The bacterias
14:28 < yashgaroth> I poured this yogurt into a dish of cancer cells and they all died, money please
14:28 < yashgaroth> why is no one funding this?!?!
14:28 < loanshark> EnLilaSko: i still don't see how to actually get the DNA, there is no "buy now" xD
14:28 < ParahSailin> i made yogurt that was an AGI, but i got too hungry and ate it
14:28 <@kanzure> loanshark: there is "buy now", you are lying
14:28 < EnLilaSko> Ah, then I have no clue
14:28 < yashgaroth> origene.com
14:28 < loanshark> :o
14:28 <@kanzure> or idtdna.com is a popular choice
14:29 < EnLilaSko> I usually buy cooler people genes so I maybe become cool
14:29 < loanshark> so
14:29 < loanshark> its $220
14:29 < loanshark> xD
14:29 < loanshark> DIY bioengineering is expensive!
14:30 < yashgaroth> what gene are you looking at
14:30 < loanshark> idk
14:30 < loanshark> :3
14:31  * loanshark is a newb
14:31 <@kanzure> idk isn't a really interesting gene
14:31 <@kanzure> why are you looking at idk
14:31 < loanshark> o.o
14:31 < yashgaroth> I saw a paper about idk3 recently, has a novel protease function
14:32 < loanshark> ok
14:32 < loanshark> I'm gonna read that think kanzure gave me
14:32 < loanshark> because i know zilch about genes and stuff
14:32 <@kanzure> also read everything here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/
14:32 <@kanzure> and http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq
14:32 < loanshark> ;_;
14:32 < loanshark> can i just buy a book
14:33 < loanshark> with everything in it
14:33 < yashgaroth> I recommend molecular biology of the cell, or molecular biology of the gene
14:33 <@kanzure> no
14:33 < loanshark> like my big encyclopedia of sailing
14:33 < yashgaroth> but they don't really cover actual genetic engineering
14:33 < loanshark> what have you guys done with genes?
14:33 <@kanzure> also, that question is answered in the faq
14:33 <@kanzure> so is that one
14:34 < yashgaroth> bro I do stuff with genes erry day
14:34 < loanshark> so many windows open now my head hurts x_x
14:34 < EnLilaSko> I like, live with mine
14:35 < yashgaroth> though you should know, people have spent more hours writing news articles about biohacking than actually biohacking
14:35 <@kanzure> loanshark: you can never have enough tabs http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-01-15-tabs.png
14:35 <@kanzure> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/
14:35 < loanshark> xD
14:36 < EnLilaSko> damn, lol
14:40 < loanshark> :3 learning is fun
14:40 < loanshark> are there any easy, cheap projects i can do to get started?
14:41 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/kits
14:41 < yashgaroth> define easy/cheap
14:41 < loanshark> umm
14:41 < loanshark> under $100
14:41 <@kanzure> you can do the shotglass dna extraction project
14:41 <@kanzure> but it's more of a parlor trick and completely useless
14:42 <@kanzure> unless you happen to need to purify human dna for some project
14:42 < loanshark> what do you do with the DNA that has been extracted?
14:42 <@kanzure> you eat it
14:42 <@kanzure> or just stare at it
14:42 < TheEmpath> om nom life books
14:42 < yashgaroth> you get drunk in the process, that's a bonus
14:42 < loanshark> you can't do anything at all with it?
14:43 <@kanzure> loanshark: biology is not cheap.. you shouldn't put price limits like that on it
14:43 <@kanzure> there's a $25 lightbulb pcr machine design that russell put up
14:43 <@kanzure> and staceyk put up a $85 arduino-based pcr machine too, but you need to buy >$100 of pcr master mix (which you can sometimes get a free sample for..)
14:44 < yashgaroth> but if you want to see the result of the pcr, you'll need a gelbox and supplies for that, oh and a centrifuge
14:44 < loanshark> whats a pcr?
14:45 < yashgaroth> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21054/
14:46 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 22b779a add a link to the kits page from diybio/faq.mdwn
14:46 < loanshark> http://www.amazon.com/Biopunk-Scientists-Hack-Software-Life/dp/1617230022/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345585572&sr=8-1&keywords=biohack
14:46 < loanshark> maybe?
14:46 < yashgaroth> doesn't actually have any protocols, but sure
14:46 < yashgaroth> please see [14:35:18] .:yashgaroth:. though you should know, people have spent more hours writing news articles about biohacking than actually biohacking
14:46 < loanshark> akk
14:46 < loanshark> nvm
14:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0a48059 add molecular biology of the cell on nih to book list
14:47 <@kanzure> loanshark: that book is just about me and my friends
14:47 <@kanzure> i mean, it doesn't actually tell you how to do things
14:47 < yashgaroth> genetic engineering isn't its own field, it's a very specialized application of biology
14:47 < loanshark> >.<
14:48 <@kanzure> loanshark: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21054/ is a good intro book, but it wont teach you techniques
14:48 <@kanzure> oh wait, it seems to have some chapters on "methods" in part 3
14:48 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: would you believe me if i told you i haven't actually read that book?
14:48 < yashgaroth> no, but it's questionable whether knowing how to run PCR is worthwhile if you don't know what PCR is
14:48 < yashgaroth> sure kanzure
14:49 < yashgaroth> but you know what pcr is so it's a moot point
14:49 < loanshark> oki
14:49 < loanshark> getting the 5th edition
14:49 <@kanzure> huh? why the 5th?
14:49 <@kanzure> it's right here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21054/
14:49 <@kanzure> boom you have it
14:50 < yashgaroth> nothing you'll need to know outside of a bio PhD program has been added between editions, but feel free
14:50 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: maybe there's a cut-away phd hidden between pages 100 and page 101
14:50 < loanshark> i was just downloading it o.o
14:50 < yashgaroth> include 8 years of your life in the mail-away envelope
14:51 < loanshark> its $159 dollars!
14:51 <@kanzure> yes, because textbooks are evil
14:51 <@kanzure> why are you paying for it?
14:51 < yashgaroth> oh we're the last people who'll tell you to pay for it
14:51 < loanshark> im not
14:51 < loanshark> but still
14:51 < loanshark> thats a lot
14:52 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: oh that book isn't readable on the nih site
14:52 < yashgaroth> lolwut
14:52 <@kanzure> as far as i can tell?
14:52 < yashgaroth> oh haha well fuck 'em then
14:52 < yashgaroth> yeah you're right, just noticed the header
14:53 < yashgaroth> "By agreement with the publisher, this book is accessible by thepiratebay, but cannot be browsed."
14:53 < loanshark> :3
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14:53 < loanshark> i need to charge my kindle
14:53 < loanshark> any other books?
14:54 < yashgaroth> lehninger's biochemistry
14:54 < yashgaroth> molecular biology of the gene
14:54 < yashgaroth> human molecular genetics
14:54 <@kanzure> i liked campbell biology but that was probably because the alternative (at the time) was holt biology
14:55 < yashgaroth> I forget which one we had in school, fuck food chains
14:55 <@kanzure> "do you know what a CONSUMER is?"
14:56 < loanshark> do i need human molecular genetics?
14:56 <@kanzure> depends on what you are doing or why
14:56 < loanshark> i just like biology
14:56 < loanshark> i have no idea what you can/can't do with bioengineering
14:57 < loanshark> i thought you could make prozac yogurt :3
14:57 <@kanzure> why did you think that
14:57 < yashgaroth> that fucking douchebag and his shitass video
14:57 < loanshark> because
14:58 < loanshark> i searched 'antidepressant' in the registary
14:58 < loanshark> and it came up with some stuff
14:58 <@kanzure> what is registary?
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14:58 < loanshark> registry** -.-
14:58 <@kanzure> which registry
14:58 < loanshark> partsregistry.org
14:59 <@kanzure> ok why are you using that site
14:59 < yashgaroth> I see a gene activated by a component of st john's wort
15:00 <@kanzure> http://partsregistry.org/Part:BBa_K364325:Experience
15:00 <@kanzure> i see a unicode/utf8/charset error
15:01 < yashgaroth> oh god I was browsing igem team wikis last night, the UGeorgia team had extremely loud unstoppable gangsta rap on their page
15:02 <@kanzure> igem: the official myspace of synthetic biology
15:03 <@kanzure> bleh
15:03 < yashgaroth> anyway loanshark there's very little you can do at the moment outside of a legitimate lab, especially if you have no bio knowledge or experience
15:04 <@kanzure> you will have to acquire equipment
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15:04 <@kanzure> and reagents (consumables)
15:05 < loanshark> but what can you do if you have a small home lab with a PCR and centrifuge and other DIY equipment
15:05 < yashgaroth> you can spend your time finding a company that will actually sell reagents to an individual
15:06 < yashgaroth> you could conceivably sequence parts of your own genome
15:06 < yashgaroth> with an incubator you can make some glowing bacteria
15:06 <@kanzure> most of the time what happens is that a newbie will pick a huge project
15:06 <@kanzure> and then spend a few months acquiring equipment and planning it out
15:06 <@kanzure> and then realize how impractical it is, and then scale back and pick something more doable
15:07 <@kanzure> with the equipment already acquired
15:07 < loanshark> can anyone suggest an feasible project?
15:08 < yashgaroth> as in a project where you follow someone else's protocols, or original research?
15:09 < loanshark> follow someone else's protocols
15:09 < loanshark> :3
15:09 <@kanzure> ok well pick something: http://protocol-online.org/
15:10 < yashgaroth> there's one where you make bacteria smell like bananas, dunno if they made the gene publicly available
15:11 < yashgaroth> sadly it's not yet like computer hacking where the limit is your imagination and expertise
15:12 < loanshark> :3
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15:14 < eudoxia> kanzure, which open source cad program do you see as having the most potential as a component of SKDB
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15:14 < eudoxia> or just the best FOSS CAD program right now
15:14 <@kanzure> eudoxia: brlcad is the best-written cad program
15:14 <@kanzure> unfortunately it doesn't support nurbs quite yet
15:15 <@kanzure> i mean, it does in a few places, but not in the ways that matter
15:15 <@kanzure> but it's definitely superior to openscad
15:15 < eudoxia> i was just going to ask you about that one
15:16 <@kanzure> i don't recommend openscad at all
15:16 <@kanzure> but http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher models are written with it
15:16 < eudoxia> why not?
15:16 <@kanzure> there's no particular reason for its custom language.. that's just silly
15:17 <@kanzure> variables are a hack or unsupported
15:17 <@kanzure> it's just a tessellation engine really, which you get for free with brlcad or blender, which makes it really not that much of a cad tool..
15:17 < eudoxia> what is the standard language for programmatic cad then?
15:17 <@kanzure> autolisp
15:18 <@kanzure> implicitcad is sorta neat if you're into haskell
15:18 < loanshark> so
15:18 < loanshark> :/
15:18 < loanshark> could i for example
15:18 <@kanzure> eudoxia: but i'm a big sucker for python cad
15:18 <@kanzure> eudoxia: so stuff like pythonocc (even though opencascade/oce is shit)
15:19 <@kanzure> i mean, opencascade is at least a real cad kernel
15:19 <@kanzure> the problem is that its quality is very low
15:19 < eudoxia> can BRLCAD use autolisp?
15:19 < loanshark> take the gene that makes a type of algae glow and put it in another organism?
15:19 < loanshark>  
15:19 <@kanzure> just none of the other cad offerings really meet that definition ("real cad kernel") except some of the commercial stuff (acis, parasolid, whatever)
15:19 <@kanzure> eudoxia: brlcad has a number of separate libraries that you can wrap into whatever language you want
15:20 <@kanzure> loanshark: no we don't do glowing
15:20 < eudoxia> that's good
15:20 < loanshark> soo
15:20 < loanshark> :/
15:20 < loanshark> what can you do?
15:20 <@kanzure> loanshark: maybe you should learn a little first, and then see if anything gets you interested
15:20 <@kanzure> you can do anything that's possible
15:21 < loanshark> I'm just trying to find some applications
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15:24 < loanshark> im really disappointed about the antidepressant thing
15:24 < eudoxia> kanzure: apparently some people have written interfaces to BRLCAD for python, why not use those if openCASCADE is shit?
15:24 < loanshark> i thought you made the bacteria produce some chemical that does the same thing that prozac does
15:25 < loanshark> the only example i can think of is how chemically synthetic THC does the same thing as regular THC
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15:25 <@kanzure> eudoxia: opencascade can do nurbs cad, brlcad can't (because opennurbs is made by rhino, and rhino keeps the good parts proprietary)
15:25 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i haven't seen the brlcad python wrapper.. can you link me?
15:26 < eudoxia> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?12,14558,15121
15:26 <@kanzure> lolz released on a forum.. yeah uh
15:26 <@kanzure> "That said, is there a reason you aren't using something like ctypes and libwdb for this? If you're just doing compile-style generation of geometry, that's exactly what libwdb is for, and that'd keep you from needing to do anything with TCL or mged at all, and make it easier to add libged's functionality when it gets that far. Looking at ctypes, that should be close to trivial, and certainly easier than mucking about generating input for mged"
15:27 <@kanzure> hmm so he's not using ctypes or cython?
15:27 <@kanzure> yeah so i don't think this is a good idea
15:27 <@kanzure> generating input for mged is just as bad as pyopenscadpy
15:28 <@kanzure> (i forget which one; pyopenscad or openscadpy generates input for openscad; the other one is openscad compiled with Python.h)
15:29 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i'd even take a swig-generated interface in python over that
15:30 <@kanzure> (that's what pythonocc was for opencascade, just some swig wrapper around opencascade)
15:31 < eudoxia> so BRLCAD is good but can't do nurbs and opencascade is shit but can do nurbs
15:31 < eudoxia> how complicated
15:32 <@kanzure> it gets much more complicated :)
15:32 <@kanzure> like go look at the opencascade source code
15:32 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/oce
15:32 <@kanzure> and compare it to brlcad (which is heaven in comparison)
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15:35 < loanshark> kanzure: is there nothing cool you can do with bioengineering in a home lab?
15:36 <@kanzure> there's tons of cool stuff. you can do genetic engineering.
15:37 < loanshark> what can you do with genetic engineering in a home lab?
15:42 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/projects
15:44 < loanshark> cool thanks :)
15:44 < loanshark> i didn't see that
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15:52 < loanshark> so
15:52 < loanshark> you can just grow cultures or build lab equipment?
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15:55 < loanshark> kanzure: what can you do with genetic engineering in a home lab if you can't make SSRI yogurt or organisms that glow
16:00 < ParahSailin> not much actually
16:00 < loanshark> http://partsregistry.org/Part:BBa_K364325:Experience
16:01 < loanshark> that won't make the bacteria make hyperforin?
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16:01 < loanshark> hypericin**
16:04 <@kanzure> you can make organisms glow, but i wouldn't be very supportive
16:05 < loanshark> why not?
16:05 <@kanzure> that page says that PXR is activated by hyperforin..... why do you think this gene product would make hyperforin??
16:05 < loanshark> i meant hyericin
16:05 < loanshark> which is the SSRI
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16:08 < OldCoder> kanzure, loanshark Hi
16:08 < OldCoder> kanzure, I lost this channel
16:08 < OldCoder> Found it again
16:09 < loanshark> helllo
16:09 < OldCoder> loanshark, you were looking for a DIY project
16:10 < loanshark> http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/photos/12-bizarre-examples-of-genetic-engineering/glow-in-the-dark-c
16:10 < loanshark> this stuff is cool
16:10 < OldCoder> Reviewing
16:10 < loanshark> glow cats!
16:11 < OldCoder> I've read about this
16:11 < OldCoder> But I wouldn't try this at home! :-)
16:11 < loanshark> why not?
16:12 < OldCoder> Gengineering kitties?
16:12  * OldCoder reads
16:12 < OldCoder> You don't have the equipment or training needed to do something at this level. Glowing microorganisms are different.
16:12 < OldCoder> You could make a bottle of pond water glow.
16:13 < loanshark> could totally set up and operate on kitties
16:13 < loanshark> ;3
16:13  * OldCoder shrugs
16:13 < loanshark> what i mean is that that is cool,
16:14 < OldCoder> It is
16:14 < OldCoder> Glowing tomatoes are useful
16:14 < loanshark> like interesting things that spark my interest in bioengineering and motivate me to learn about it
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16:14 < OldCoder> Good
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16:14 <@kanzure> loanshark: no, glowing is NOT cool
16:14 <@kanzure> fuck
16:14 <@kanzure> fuuuck
16:14 < OldCoder> ?
16:14 < OldCoder> Not glowing kitties
16:14 < OldCoder> Maybe glowing pond water
16:14 < OldCoder> kanzure, hi
16:14 <@kanzure> it's not even really that interesting: it's just glowing under fluorescent light
16:14 < loanshark> getting dan from a strawberry with a shot glass for no reason what so ever does not sound very interesting
16:15 <@kanzure> it's not
16:15 < OldCoder> Conceptually
16:15 < chris_99> kanzure, what stuff have you done that's cool relating to this that's cool?
16:15 < loanshark> :3 cool stuff
16:15 < chris_99> er, that was poorly worded
16:15 <@kanzure> chris_99: i did some published research on transcriptional logic gates under pcr
16:15 < loanshark> pollution-fighting plants!
16:15 < loanshark> thats cool
16:15 < OldCoder> chris_99, I liked the wording
16:15 < chris_99> link kanzure?
16:16 <@kanzure> chris_99: i don't have a link handy
16:16 <@kanzure> i don't know if it counts as cool though
16:16 < chris_99> is it on scholar?
16:16 <@kanzure> probably
16:16 <@kanzure> but i'm not cited
16:16 <@kanzure> because i was the disposable undergrad
16:17 < loanshark> logic gates are uncool
16:17 < OldCoder> That's always fun
16:17 < loanshark> :3
16:17 < chris_99> remember the title or other authors?
16:17 <@kanzure> chris_99: yes
16:17 <@kanzure> but i don't think it matters?
16:17 < OldCoder> kanzure, do you have a Twitter presence?
16:18 <@kanzure> OldCoder: sadly yes http://heybryan.org/ lists it
16:18 < OldCoder> Sadly :-)
16:18 < loanshark> how about a cabbage that makes scorpion venom as a sort of self-pesticide, killing caterpillars that bite it, but not so much that it is harmful to humans
16:18 < loanshark> :3
16:18 < loanshark> that is very cool
16:18 <@kanzure> loanshark: how about you just pick a project you like, instead of hoping someone gives you a ready-made package
16:18 < loanshark> i was just asking for ideas and no one had any
16:18 <@kanzure> loanshark: ok so first you should go figure out how to make venom
16:19 < OldCoder> kanzure, PM if all right
16:19 <@kanzure> and then you will see that the expression system probably doesn't work in cabbage
16:19 < loanshark> and someone said there was not much you can do with bio-engineering
16:19 <@kanzure> loanshark: you can do all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean they are easy
16:19 < OldCoder> kanzure, I am already following you. You should tweet more.
16:19 <@kanzure> no i shouldn't
16:19 < loanshark> http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v12/n2/full/7290120a.html
16:19 <@kanzure> don't encourage me
16:19 < OldCoder> kanzure, do it
16:19 < loanshark> venomous cabbage already exists
16:19 < OldCoder> dooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
16:19 < OldCoder> :-)
16:20 <@kanzure> loanshark: that was in ecoli
16:20 <@kanzure> loanshark: if you can replicate that paper's work, then you could start to consider doing it in cabbage
16:20 < OldCoder> kanzure, I'll be here a bit. PM when you can.
16:20 <@kanzure> OldCoder: you may pm me
16:20 < OldCoder> I did
16:20 < OldCoder> Tried again
16:20 <@kanzure> ok.
16:21 < loanshark> :3
16:21 < loanshark> how about just making things glow
16:21 < loanshark> like worms
16:21 <@kanzure> loanshark: that looks like a chemical synthesis, not a recombinant protein
16:22 < chris_99> anyone think of something funky that requires a vacuum?
16:22 < loanshark> :3
16:22 <@kanzure> oh nevermind "AaIT is an excitatory long-chain toxin specific to insects and is composed of 70 amino acids with four disulfide bridges"
16:22 <@kanzure> so it looks like this toxin is just an amino acid chain
16:23 < brownies> uh... what? something funky that requires a vacuum?
16:23 < chris_99> yeah heh, i'm getting a vacuum pump for something else, but was wondering if theres anything else i could use it for
16:24 <@kanzure> um well
16:24 <@kanzure> i'm sure my mom has a
16:24 <@kanzure> i can't do this anymore
16:24 < brownies> superconducting? cold temperatures in general? fabricating microchips?
16:24 <@kanzure> oh
16:24 < brownies> basically... everything?
16:24 <@kanzure> is this a 10^-9 torr vacuum? or more?
16:24 < brownies> just... Science™
16:24 < brownies> mm, good question
16:25 < loanshark> could i inject genes into worm eggs?
16:25 < chris_99> 0 - 30" Hg apparently
16:25 <@kanzure> yep.. but you would have to follow a protocol if you want genetic manipulation of worm eggs to work
16:25 < loanshark> what is a protocol?
16:26 <@kanzure> black magic
16:26 < loanshark> published results of someones research?
16:26 <@kanzure> no
16:26 <@kanzure> http://protocol-online.org/
16:26 <@kanzure> they are list of steps to do things
16:26 <@kanzure> but usually they are highly specific
16:26 < loanshark> so like a tutorial
16:26 <@kanzure> like incubate at certain temperatures, use certain amounts of whatever reagents and liquids, etc.
16:26 <@kanzure> no
16:26 < loanshark> recepies?
16:26 <@kanzure> really bad recipes
16:26 < loanshark> ok
16:27 < loanshark> will there really be a form egg gene injection protocol?
16:28 <@kanzure> there might be, if someone has done it before
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16:28 <@kanzure> but if not, you will have to spend months/years figuring it out based on related lab techniques and testing
16:28 < loanshark> :3
16:28 < loanshark> ok
16:29 < loanshark> because i might just be killing them
16:29 < loanshark> XD
16:29 <@kanzure> you will definitely screw up and kill things
16:29 < loanshark> hardcore
16:29 < loanshark> http://tropicalis.berkeley.edu/home/manipulate_embryos/microinjection/inject.html
16:30 < loanshark> the best relating protocol i found - microinjection
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16:32 < loanshark> theoretically, if you get the single fertilized cell
16:32 <@kanzure> conditions for injecting plasmids into embryos are fairly non-trivial, it varies dramatically by species
16:32 < loanshark> you can do that electrothingy to open the barriers and then centrifuge cells with glow-in-the dark gene
16:33 <@kanzure> you are a master of technobabble
16:33 < loanshark> ^^ thanks
16:33 < OldCoder> write stories
16:33 < loanshark> stories?
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16:38 < loanshark> Kanzure: if you had the gene that makes luciferase then put that in the worms they would be like fireflies?
16:38 <@kanzure> read the diybio archives about that.. short answer is no
16:38 <@kanzure> https://google.com/search?q=diybio+luciferase
16:42 < loanshark> so apparently fluorescence is way easier than bioluminescence
16:44 < loanshark> awww
16:44 < loanshark> synthesizing genes is expensive :(
16:44 <@kanzure> yes dna costs a bit much
16:45 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: maybe diybio is just a clever marketing stunt for carolina's gfp kits
16:45 < loanshark> but you can just go out and capture some fireflies
16:46 < yashgaroth> it's sad how true that could be kanz
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16:54 < loanshark> how would you collect fluorescent protein genes from nature?
16:55 <@kanzure> you would buy some dead squid and pcr it out of their genome with some primers
16:56 < loanshark> ok
16:56 < loanshark> :3
16:56 < loanshark> see now this is cool :3
16:56 < yashgaroth> well they probably have introns, in which case I'd recommend reverse-transcriptase pcr
16:56 <@kanzure> no it's not.. it's just fluorescence dude
16:57 < loanshark> but
16:57 < loanshark> your engineering with biology.. building cool things
16:57 < loanshark> changing them the way you want them
16:57 < loanshark> :3
16:58 < loanshark> like lego, but with living things
16:58 < loanshark> now thats cool
16:59 <@kanzure> it's not like lego at all
16:59 < loanshark> its cooler than lego
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17:12 < OldCoder> Living Lego
17:12 < OldCoder> Hmm
17:12 <@kanzure> Juul: do you have a standard disclaimer for "biobricks don't usually work"
17:13 < loanshark> are primers expensive?
17:14 <@kanzure> they are synthetic dna
17:14 < loanshark> :/
17:14 <@kanzure> so they cost the same, they are just usually short - about 20 bp to 40 bp or longer ish
17:14 < loanshark> arg!
17:14 < yashgaroth> a few dollars each
17:14 < loanshark> oh?
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17:16 < yashgaroth> well more than a few, but not "same" like several hundred dollars
17:16 <@kanzure> true
17:17 < loanshark> 4.90 per primer
17:17 < loanshark> :D
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17:29 < loanshark> http://www.operon.com/products/pcr-primers/pcr-primer-overview.aspx?id=pcr
17:29 < loanshark> Kanzure $4.90 a primer sounds very affordable
17:30 <@kanzure> and what are you planning to do with these primers
17:30 < loanshark> get the luminescent gene
17:31 <@kanzure> why not just use the kit from carolina
17:31 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/kit
17:31 <@kanzure> oops
17:31 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/kits
17:32 < loanshark> how much is it?
17:32 <@kanzure> cheaper than you building your own plasmid system and consuming all those reagents in test
17:34 < loanshark> :/
17:34 < loanshark> really?
17:34 <@kanzure> well, do the math and prove me wrong
17:35 < loanshark> idk what it takes to build a plasmid system
17:35 <@kanzure> go find out
17:35 < loanshark> but wikipedia tells me it is a DNA molecule separate from the chromosomal DNA
17:39 <@kanzure> correct
17:39 <@kanzure> this is one of the gene expression methods
17:43 < loanshark> aaah
17:43 < loanshark> this stuff is intense
17:43 < loanshark> :3
17:43 < loanshark> so
17:44 <@kanzure> loanshark: feel free to edit the diybio faq with your findings
17:49 < loanshark> so you get the DNA
17:49 < loanshark> then use the DNA to make DNA plasmids?
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17:50 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ccaa470 increase instructions for editing the faq
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17:58 < tashoutang> excuse me, last time someone give me a clue to search some chemical compound those could be useful after extraction, and can this Mister/Miss give me that clue again?
18:01 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 
18:01 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: remote: 2012/08/21 18:01:03 socat[29849] E write(3, 0x9da1388, 56): Broken pipe
18:03 < jrayhawk> curious
18:04 < gnusha> honk honk
18:04 < jrayhawk> well, beats me
18:06 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 72e834f add a page about the irc channel
18:07 <@kanzure> hmm the formatting is wacky: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap#irc
18:08 <@kanzure> i tried \#\#[[hplusroadmap]] but instead i get that^
18:11 <@kanzure> on the other page \#\#[[hplusroadmap]] works.. maybe this is a bug about linking to your own page
18:14 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 97a74d9 linkify the irc clients list
18:16 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c2c7913 fix ##hplusroadmap formatting
18:16 <@kanzure> huh, no, the formatting is still very wrong
18:18 < brownies> the logs are public? oh man
18:19 < OldCoder> brownies, I didn't know you were here
18:19 < brownies> OldCoder: i didn't know you were here!
18:19 < tashoutang> @K: did you see my question?
18:19 < OldCoder> I lost the channel
18:20 < tashoutang> excuse me to bother you @K
18:20 < brownies> < kanzure> but then why did I start off as a moron?
18:20 < brownies> doesn't take long to find things and take them out context, when you have 4 years of logs
18:23 <@kanzure> tashoutang: yes i saw your question. there are many chemical compounds. i'm not sure if i told you any.
18:24 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c9058b7 better instructions for editing the wiki
18:24 < tashoutang> oooo, and in private I ask you that are u talking about the website setting with html language
18:25 <@kanzure> ah i see.
18:25 <@kanzure> well, no, this is not quite html
18:25 <@kanzure> it's markdown being converted to html
18:25 < tashoutang> haha I am still not very familiar with mirc
18:25 < tashoutang> OK
18:26 <@kanzure> no it worked, but i am in too many irc channels and do not see private notifications easily :)
18:26 < tashoutang> I see
18:26 < tashoutang> thanks!:)
18:26 < brownies> kanzure: what client do you use?
18:27 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 775970d describe the wiki in the intro page
18:27 <@kanzure> brownies: irssi
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18:31 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8caf394 list out some interesting pages
18:37 < tashoutang> on DIYbio someone said they want to start a DIYbio project whitch include each individual around the world, and welcome every one to offer its idea, and the one who propose this poster said he prefer to plane a project to build a creature and put it on the mars.
18:37 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8d9a3d1 move text files to wiki files in transcripts/startup-science-2012
18:37 <@kanzure> tashoutang: yes that was funny
18:38 < tashoutang> I know that scientist had built artificial micoplasma...\
18:38 <@kanzure> brownies: these might be slightly readable now.. http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/
18:38 <@kanzure> oh crap, nope
18:38 < tashoutang> why they just start to simulate the surviving ability from that creature first?
18:39 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b089f36 convert transcripts/startup-science-2012 to markdown
18:39 <@kanzure> brownies: ok try now.
18:41  * brownies looks
18:41 < brownies> kanzure: much better. the whole site is still too wide.
18:41 < brownies> jam the whole thing into a 940px div. that would be a huge step forward.
18:41 <@kanzure> can you pop open chrome inspector and suggest a --
18:42 <@kanzure> ok 940px div.. will try that
18:42 <@kanzure> wait do i care
18:44 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1f31d45 restrict the body element to 940px
18:44 <@kanzure> brownies: how about now?
18:44 < brownies> kanzure: much better.
18:44 <@kanzure> blah the title stuff isn't in a block div http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/carlo-quinonez/
18:45 < brownies> kanzure: just throw that search bar next to the links
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20:47 <@kanzure> nmz787: how was maradydd?
20:49 < nmz787> she didn't end up coming to hackmanhattan, said she was still jetlagged
20:49 < nmz787> and not feeling well
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21:06 <@kanzure> this seems sorta absurd https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2012/08/21/metasploit-portable-ios
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22:33 < nmz787> this looks like a spicy meatball: "Gene Synthesis: Methods and Protocols (Methods in Molecular Biology, 852) 2012 Jean Peccoud" http://libgen.info/view.php?id=823673
22:36 < yashgaroth> "Leading a Successful iGEM Team"
22:36 <@kanzure> if that's not written by slovenian nationalists i would be suspicious of it
22:39 <@kanzure> pastebin for math: http://mathb.in/
22:39 <@kanzure> maybe there should be a genetic pastebin called genebin
22:39 <@kanzure> it could even have shitty annotations and shitty plasmid visualization
22:40 < brownies> i thought there was already a latexbin?
22:40 < brownies> although admittedly this looks way, way better
22:40 <@kanzure> what's latexbin like?
22:41 < brownies> feels like 1996
22:41 <@kanzure> "pastebinit" used to be a great little tool until pastebin.com changed their api
22:41 <@kanzure> and now pastebinit requires -b http://paste.ubuntu.com/ or some other pastebin tacked on.. kinda ruins the point if you have to make a custom alias
22:42 < brownies> kanzure: couldn't you just alias it once in your bash profile and leave it at that...
22:42 < brownies> oh i see. that's too much work for you. alright.
22:43 <@kanzure> well, that's what i've done, yes
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23:09 <@kanzure> http://blog.mylookout.com/_media/Geinimi_Trojan_Teardown.pdf
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