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10:33 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | friends don't let friends do super college
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10:46 <@kanzure> a nice poem about the state of modern 0days http://seclists.org/dailydave/2012/q3/47
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11:22 <@kanzure> laboratory inventory management:
11:22 <@kanzure> https://github.com/russellwhitaker/geartracker
11:22 <@kanzure> https://github.com/russellwhitaker/chemventory
11:26 < delinquentme> runs on web server?
11:26 < delinquentme> kanzure, where find microfluidic apprenticeships
11:27 <@kanzure> at microfluidic foundries
11:28 <@kanzure> also this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/training-bootcamp.pdf
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11:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, you mind if I post this on FB?
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11:43 <@kanzure> delinquentme: go ahead
11:49 < delinquentme> HOY!
12:02 < delinquentme> 25 cent ... i2c adapter http://www.paintyourdragon.com/?p=43#more-43
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12:11 < ThomasEgi> that link was worth clicking
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12:19 < chris_99> anyone suggest any equipment that needs making?
12:19 < nmz787> dna synthesizer
12:19 < nmz787> sensititve dna detector
12:19 < nmz787> all on microfluidic platforms
12:19 < chris_99> dna detector == dna sequencer?
12:20 < nmz787> no, just a detector
12:20 < nmz787> quantitative
12:20 < chris_99> sorry what's that mean?
12:20 < nmz787> to detect if DNA is present in a sample ,and if so, how much
12:20 < nmz787> a sequencer tells you what bases are there, in a certain order
12:20 < nmz787> but doesn't necessarily tell you how much DNA is there
12:21 < chris_99> oh interesting not heard of that before
12:21 <@kanzure> chris_99: spectrometers, sequencers, synthesizers, ultracentrifuges, liquid handling machines, pipettes, syringe pumps
12:21 < nmz787> spectrometers can do this, but I would like to see something other than surface enhanced raman spectroscopy for quantifying single molecules
12:22 < chris_99> ooh yeah a spectrometer would be pretty useful for me
12:22 < nmz787> there are also some of the nanopore rigs in the works, but they require moving the DNA around
12:22 < chris_99> ultracentrifuge is how many rpm?
12:23 < delinquentme> chris_99, 20K?
12:23 < nmz787> i think its like 70k
12:23 < chris_99> ooh fast then ;)
12:24 < nmz787> "The Drugs That May Never Be Used" http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i26/Drugs-Never-Used.html
12:31 < chris_99> what do you call the device that moves liquid into different mini-test tubes
12:32 < ThomasEgi> pipetting things?
12:32 < chris_99> not a pipette but an automated machine
12:32 < chris_99> that does it for you
12:32 <@kanzure> tecan.
12:32 <@kanzure> pipettor bots
12:32 <@kanzure> liquid handling machines
12:32 <@kanzure> liquidators
12:32 < ThomasEgi> automated pipetting handling machine thingy?
12:32 < chris_99> yeah cheers
12:33 < chris_99> i just thought you could hack a 3d printer pretty easily to make one
12:33 <@kanzure> ThomasEgi: i nominate you for naming machines from now on
12:33 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, you could hack an inkjet printer to do that,too^
12:33 <@kanzure> i'm not sure an inkjet cartridge is sterile
12:33 < chris_99> but that would only give you x axis
12:34 < chris_99> this would give x,y
12:34 < ThomasEgi> not the cardbridge, but the x.y mechanics
12:34 < chris_99> theres no proper y with a printer
12:34 < chris_99> just a roler
12:34 < chris_99> *roller
12:34 < ThomasEgi> that's totaly fine. it comes with a rotary encoder
12:34 <@kanzure> there are a bunch of xy beds with steppers on the internets
12:34 <@kanzure> or you can just use delinquentme's version
12:35 < chris_99> what's that?
12:35 <@kanzure> chris_99: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5IY5CZ1es
12:35 < delinquentme> a 3d printer?
12:35 <@kanzure> blah
12:35 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5IY5CZ1es
12:35 < ThomasEgi> hm.. a flatbed scanner would make a fantastic axis
12:36 < chris_99> ooh nice delinquentme :)
12:36 < delinquentme> ThomasEgi, save for the software running it
12:36 < delinquentme> chris_99, its ehh.
12:36 < ThomasEgi> what software?
12:36 < delinquentme> but thanks :D
12:36 < ThomasEgi> nice machine in that vid
12:36 < delinquentme> http://strong-flower-9013.herokuapp.com/
12:36 < delinquentme> this one is more fun
12:36 <@kanzure> https://github.com/delinquentme/LH001
12:37 <@kanzure> oh right
12:37 < chris_99> neat is that yours delinquentme?
12:37 < delinquentme> thats the big brother
12:37 < delinquentme> yar
12:37 < delinquentme> 15k and me having a full time job from maybe being built
12:37 <@kanzure> why $15,000??
12:38 < delinquentme> worry some:  taking a stab out into a process in which there is little free-open source alternatives
12:38 < delinquentme> which dont really have best practices
12:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, it needs to be cheaper .. but I've shown you the price sheets
12:38 < delinquentme> BOMs
12:38 <@kanzure> i am having trouble remembering where the pricesheet is
12:38 <@kanzure> was this a google doc?
12:39 < chris_99> what did you design the model in?
12:40 <@kanzure> i think he used solidworks
12:40 < delinquentme> solidworks yeah
12:40 < delinquentme> is chrome on linus going down the shit hole for anyone else?
12:40 < delinquentme> it cant keep track of its damn tabs
12:40 <@kanzure> no?
12:40 < delinquentme> blinking between even ones that have been closed
12:41 < delinquentme> anything on youtube is an utter mess
12:41 < ThomasEgi> depending on the number of mini-test-tubes.. one could even build a very simple version based on just a few dirt-cheap servo motors.
12:52 < nmz787> I think i'mma go to this http://psychedemia.org/presenters/
12:52 < nmz787> do we know anyone on that list?
12:53 < nmz787> anyone in here at uPenn and willing to give me a space on their floor (I have a sleeping bag and prefer floor over air mattress) for that weekend?
12:54 <@kanzure> i don't see any names i recognize
12:55 < nmz787> the NYU psilocybin stufy is still going on I guess... will be interesting to see their results http://www.heffter.org/research-nyu.htm
12:59 <@kanzure> sung changed the name of diybio-nyc to biohack-nyc
12:59 <@kanzure> i bet you had something to do with that :p
13:01 < nmz787> i saw him last night
13:01 < nmz787> at hackmanhattan
13:01 < nmz787> sais he resigned from genspace ~2wks ago
13:06 <@kanzure> "resigned" ?
13:06 <@kanzure> was it a job?
13:06 < nmz787> from being a member
13:06 < nmz787> i guess something happened, or he is too busy with work... not really sure
13:07 <@kanzure> really? he doesn't want access?
13:07 <@kanzure> huh
13:07 <@kanzure> yeah maybe he already has lab access elsewhere
13:07 < nmz787> he's got a post on google+ saying he's got a PCR machine next to his bed
13:11 < delinquentme> ahem.
13:11 < delinquentme> is "invalid" a bad password?
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13:12 < nmz787> if you're crazy it is
13:13 < delinquentme> wthh
13:13 < delinquentme> is nickserv taking a shit for anyone else?
13:14 < delinquentme> ha
13:14 < delinquentme> ef....
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13:57 < ParahSailin> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/in-mexicos-murder-city-the-war-appears-over/2012/08/19/aacab85e-e0a0-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html
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14:56 <@kanzure> so the stripe ctf contest gets a little boring fast :p
15:04 <@kanzure> https://stripe-ctf.com
15:04 <@kanzure> i'm gonna stop on 4.
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17:51 < skorket> evening all
17:52 < tashoutang> ha
17:52 < tashoutang> morning all
17:53 < tashoutang> so I am in Taiwan
17:53 < tashoutang> I guess skorket is in the US
17:53 < tashoutang> time lapse is about 12 hours
17:54 < skorket> yep, I'm in the US
17:57 < tashoutang> :)
18:26 <@kanzure> i think it's pretty sad that the genomecompiler.com guy keeps spamming the diybio list
18:26 <@kanzure> nobody likes your crummy adobe air product, dude
18:47 < Juul> speaking of which, has anyone seen any good html/javascript dna sequence editors or parts editors?
18:47 < Juul> or maybe even plasmid viewers?
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18:49 <@kanzure> chris_99: thanks for virusshare.com
18:49 <@kanzure> Juul: that guy who keeps spamming diybio claims to have one.. the one who is with mozilla
18:50 < Juul> kanzure, oh
18:50 < Juul> i saw a demo of one by a couple of Ycombinator funded guys from MIT last week, but they were all "well we'll probably open source the widgets later"
19:06 <@kanzure> :/
19:06 <@kanzure> the other one who has been spamming diybio (genomecompiler.com) got into a flame war about 'adobe air' and stuff
19:07 <@kanzure> and cathal was trying to explain how adobe air makes it totally useless to him
19:25 <@kanzure> so that 'rub a potato against a tree' thing sounds neat
19:27 <@kanzure> oh i guess this makes sense too.. "After washing three more times with Double-Distilled Water (DDW), galls were finely chopped and immersed in DDW and incubated overnight at room temperature (27-30°C)."
19:35 < ParahSailin_> yeah, a guy on diybio who actually knows something...
19:36 < Juul> hm i just re-read that adobe air gencomecompiler thread
19:36 < Juul> seems like they're at least going to make a flash version
19:37 < Juul> not that it's much better, but at least it runs on linux
19:37 < Juul> for some definition of run
19:37 <@kanzure> they probably just feel cocky for having an acronym like "gcc"
19:38 <@kanzure> that doesn't make you a compiler. grr.
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19:40 < Juul> why are labs so cold?
19:40 < Juul> i invariably get cold sitting in the lab all day
19:40 < Juul> it's better when you're doing actual lab work
19:41 <@kanzure> because it's easier to stay warm (jacket) than it is to get cool (personal air conditioner??)
19:42 <@kanzure> or: insert link here to study about people performing better on standaridzed tests in colder climates
19:44 < Juul> maybe i need to start wearing hobo-gloves
19:44 < Juul> so my typing-fingers don't get cold
19:44 <@kanzure> i think i type slower when it is warm
19:44 < Juul> or redirect the laptop fan output to my fingers
19:44 < Juul> hah, well i'm not in the same league of typing speed
19:45 <@kanzure> Juul: are you going to try stripe-ctf.com this week?
19:47 < Juul> maybe :)
19:48 < Juul> i'm trying to write a prototype for a very simple decentralized (L)IMS system, and my housemates got free tickets to burning man so apparently we're going on tuesday
19:48 < Juul> suddenly: things
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19:49 < Juul> kanzure, were you involved in the development of strip-ctf?
19:50 <@kanzure> no
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19:51 < Juul> have you solved stripe-ctf yet?
19:53 <@kanzure> nope i got stuck :)
19:53 <@kanzure> on level 4.
19:53 < Juul> ok
19:53 < Juul> well, it seems like a lot of fun
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19:59 < brownies> kanzure: why must they use PHP
20:00 <@kanzure> brownies: the first one was node.js, then there's one that's flask/python and then sinatra/ruby
20:00 <@kanzure> so they mix it up
20:01 < brownies> ah ok
20:01 < brownies> i'm on level 2 now ... two PHP ones in a row =(
20:01 <@kanzure> i am going to be slightly disappointed in you if you don't figure out level 2
20:02 < Juul> i heard the last one is an old grumpy unix guy and you have to convince him to install windows vista on one of his servers
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20:06 <@kanzure> oh there's a shitty typo in level4.. "transfered".
20:08 < fenn> i want to scrape the back issues of popular mechanics from google books
20:08 < fenn> everything up to 1932 is actually public domain
20:08 < fenn> http://books.google.com/books/about/Popular_Mechanics.html?id=49gDAAAAMBAJ
20:08 <@kanzure> do you need scraping help?
20:08 < fenn> i havent actually looked at the source yet
20:08 <@kanzure> two suggestions: python-requests.org plus lxml.etree, or pyphantomjs if that fails
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20:13 < fenn> wow they even have the table of contents linked to each article
20:15 <@kanzure> there seems to be an anime version of x-men http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Anime#X-Men
20:15 <@kanzure> "エックスメン Ekkusu Men"
20:20 < jrayhawk> they publicly acknowledge common web vulnerabilities but their service requires javascript for no apparent reason...?
20:20 < jrayhawk> i can't say as stripe makes any sense to me
20:21 < yashgaroth> burning man has a ticket system?
20:21 <@kanzure> they use javascript to get around some credit card processor requirements
20:21 <@kanzure> so you include their remote js in your page
20:21 <@kanzure> which for some reason makes cc companies happy?
20:21 < jrayhawk> well, the idea is that they handle *all* CC operations
20:22 < jrayhawk> which makes sense
20:22 < jrayhawk> more importantly i can't administrate billing without javascript
20:23 < jrayhawk> i know google checkout can be *used* without javascript; i wonder if it can be *administrated* without javascript...?
20:23 <@kanzure> xmen anime evidence: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hno6iyoAKOY
20:26 < jrayhawk> haha
20:33 <@kanzure> davidad is somehow in the latest ray kurzweil dvd
20:41 <@kanzure> in this edition of ridiculous japanese things.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_Rf215TsVU#t=224
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22:40 <@kanzure> brownies: success!
22:41 <@kanzure> i wish they would have been more clear that they were really simulating a browser on the other end
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23:25  * kanzure plays around
23:25 <@kanzure> https://level02-2.stripe-ctf.com/user-fzemuhnnew/uploads/phpinfo.php
23:25 < brownies> eh, i've been juggling Real Work™ ... i'll catch up to you shortly
23:25 < brownies> kanzure: rofl
23:26 < brownies> i was pissed at myself for how long it took me to figure that one out... i completely overlooked the most obvious answer because i'm not used to such a shitty programming environment for web
23:26 <@kanzure> level 4?
23:26 < brownies> "oh yeah, bro, the default is to allow upload and execution of arbitrary files with arbitrary permissions and no sandboxing. no big deal."
23:26 < brownies> kanzure: no, level 2.
23:27 <@kanzure> oh, yeah, php is awful
23:27 < brownies> kanzure: in general, you shouldn't be pasting around answers anyway
23:27 <@kanzure> that wasn't an answer
23:27 <@kanzure> that's me investigating their server
23:27 < brownies> it's basically an answer.
23:27 < brownies> i can't believe they made me write PHP though =(
23:28  * brownies => coding
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23:32 <@kanzure> blargh "PCNTL functions not available on this PHP installation"
23:32 <@kanzure> all i wanted was a php shell :|
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