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00:31 < brownies> superkuh: hey man
00:31 < brownies> superkuh: i hear you know things about the weather
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00:48 < Mokbortolan_1> he's part of the weather underground
01:04 < brownies> what a hipster
01:05 < Mariu> who is ?
01:05 < Mariu> Adam Savage ?
01:14 < kanzure> what?
01:17 < Mariu> sorry, tripping big time
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01:17 < Mariu> =p
01:28 < JayDugger> Have fun, Mariu, be safe, and don't worry about anything that can't wait until you come down. :)
01:30 < Mariu> hey, JayDugger
01:30 < Mariu> thanks
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06:13 < superkuh> brownies, only space weather.
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08:30 < kanzure> blah leafblowers
08:32 < ThomasEgi> http://www.explosm.net/comics/1548/
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08:43 < kanzure> screw all this technology stuff.. i should start a death metal band called 'leafblower hatred'
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09:42 < brownies> superkuh: where do you get your data from?
09:43 < superkuh> A few places. I'm not actually doing any work with data, just mirroring and watching. i have a list at the top of the page, http://erewhon.superkuh.com/spaceweather/ . But the best list is in the perl files.
09:44 < superkuh> http://erewhon.superkuh.com/spaceweather/spaceweather.pl . Sorry about the lack of organization.
09:48 < brownies> superkuh: haha, wow... that's quite the organization scheme. this is useful, though. thanks.
09:48 < brownies> well, i'm more interested in weather on the ground, but this is pretty interesting =P
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09:49 < Mariu> weather inside nebulas ?
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10:01 < skorket> hey all
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10:33 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hi
10:33 < yashgaroth> yo
10:36 < kanzure> why do biologists hate computers?
10:37 < yashgaroth> good question
10:37 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure they do.
10:37 < yashgaroth> oh they totally do
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10:38 < yashgaroth> but...not particularly more than you'd expect
10:39 < yashgaroth> until sequence analysis really took off, the only reason you'd use one was for doing paperwork
10:39 < kanzure> we have communities around homebrewing beer and cottage cheese but not ecoli or pipette brands
10:39 < kanzure> we have communities around wget but not taq?
10:40 < yashgaroth> to be fair, those have either been done for hundreds of years or were created on a computer to begin with
10:41 < yashgaroth> I did expect a little more forum activity in the field, though
10:42 < kanzure> forums suck. most biologists are more likely to use email, i've found. but by "more likely" i mean "in the sense that they are less likely to use forums", not "they all want to use email to talk about their awesome strains"
10:42 < kanzure> s/awesome/shitty
10:42 < yashgaroth> 'novel'
10:43 < kanzure> that's the word.
10:44 < yashgaroth> but really, forums are entirely dead, aside from the once-a-month question from some random foreigner about how to do some technique
10:44 < kanzure> yep
10:44 < yashgaroth> and the occasional glowing cat query
10:44 < kanzure> i think diybio is probably the most active biology resource on the net, which is retarded
10:45 < yashgaroth> yyyyup
10:45 < kanzure> except openwetware, except that's not person-to-person communication, and nobody remembers to use it
10:46 < kanzure> so why hasn't a reagent provider just dumped money into advertising an online thing?
10:46 < kanzure> or have they tried and failed that?
10:46 < yashgaroth> thing as in what
10:46 < yashgaroth> a community gathering place?
10:46 < kanzure> probably a forum
10:47 < yashgaroth> reagent providers don't give no fucks
10:47 < kanzure> get 10 "advisors" (profs) to dedicate 1 post/month or year, and you're set.
10:47 < kanzure> and be like, "free taq, bitches"
10:47 < yashgaroth> and there's probably the risk it'd just be complaints about their products
10:48 < kanzure> (bitches love free taq)
10:48 < yashgaroth> if only the forum somehow had impact factor
10:49 < yashgaroth> maybe they'd have to declare a financial interest to said supplier on their papers
10:50 < kanzure> if the product is shitty, they deserve the crap on their forums
10:51 < yashgaroth> true, but angry people are a lot louder than content ones, and compared to some other company's blank slate...
10:51 < kanzure> "uservoice for reagent suppliers" (i hate myself)
10:52 < kanzure> ((uservoice is well known for its douchebag maneuvers. it automatically deployed "user help" sites for different websites and then stole google juice, so basically the companies had to pay into the system to look like they were being responsive to their user's cries for support.))
10:54 < yashgaroth> usually there's a disconnect between the scientist and the suppliers, since all the ordering is handled through a lab manager
10:54 < yashgaroth> and the fatalism that comes with bio means that even if reagent suppliers had a star rating system, it'd never be used
10:55 < yashgaroth> 'oh it didn't work, probably my and/or biology's fault'
10:55 < kanzure> i'd hate it if my thermocycler asked me to '"like" this reaction on facebook'
10:55 < yashgaroth> gel imagers coming with a built-in instagram filter
10:56 < kanzure> i think they already do :(
10:56 < yashgaroth> 'omg your gel is so quirky'
10:56 < kanzure> picsofbiologistslookingatgels.tumblr.com
10:56 < kanzure> actually that could be a real thing.
10:57 < yashgaroth> I'd contribute
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11:15 < chris_99> 'Molecular Biology of the Gene' doesn't seem to open unfourtunately
11:20 < kanzure> oops i forgot to remove that
11:22 < chris_99> it's on tpb btw
11:23 < yashgaroth> Molecular biology of the gene (Watson, Baker, Bell, Gann, Levine, Losick - 2004 - 5th ed. - Pearson), 109MB? that one?
11:24 < chris_99> yeah
11:24 < yashgaroth> so what happens when you try to open it
11:24 < chris_99> no the one on diyhpl doesn't open i mean
11:24 < chris_99> i haven't got the one from tpb
11:24 < yashgaroth> oh nm then
11:34 < brownies> kanzure: wait what?
11:34 < brownies> kanzure: i think you're thinking of GetSatisfaction, not UserVoice
11:36 < kanzure> brownies: aren't they the same thing?
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11:42 < brownies> kanzure: haha. no.
11:43 < brownies> UserVoice is a pretty nice company, even if they are getting a little too corporate lately
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12:58 < delinquentme> better options than i2c for inter-machine communication?
12:58 < kanzure> python -m SimpleHTTPServer
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13:37 < delinquentme> anyone done embedded programming with bit registers?
13:38 < delinquentme> it seems like this example says to just ... package up 8 byte .. packets?? ( might be wrong term ) and just send them between chips and thats how they communicate?
13:38 < delinquentme> or well ... how you program them
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13:57 < ThomasEgi> delinquentme, SPI?
14:01 < delinquentme> I2c is not full duplex huh?
14:01 < chris_99b> SPI is full duplex
14:01 < delinquentme> yeah it is :D
14:01 < delinquentme> seems like this might be a better option
14:02 < chris_99b> what are you trying to do though, are you trying to communicate over long / short distance
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14:09 < delinquentme> chris_99, really short
14:09 < delinquentme> well ... perhaps like no more than 10 feet
14:09 < delinquentme> is that relatively short?
14:10 < chris_99> oh ok i guess SPI should be ok
14:12 < kanzure> hey someone should record the ip addresses for all those libgen domains
14:12 < kanzure> before the dns goes poof
14:12 < chris_99> libgen?
14:12 < kanzure> oh that's right you use tpb
14:12 < kanzure> chris_99: http://libgen.org/
14:13 < yashgaroth> redirects to google books?
14:13 < kanzure> http://libgen.net/ then
14:15 < chris_99> ooh interesting site
14:19 < delinquentme> chris_99, whats a distance on SPI that would be too far?
14:20 < chris_99> not sure you'd have to look it up, it depends what voltage levels it's using i guess
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15:26 < kanzure> Partisan: hi
15:29 < Partisan> hey kanzure
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17:53 < kanzure> beep
18:01 < nsh> b00p
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20:02 < kanzure> AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean https://jira.springsource.org/browse/SPR-8680?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:worklog-tabpanel
20:02 < kanzure> yeep.
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21:03 < brownies> heh. i forgot about Beans.
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21:04 < kanzure> nmyo
21:04 < kanzure> roksprok_: how goes it?
21:04 < roksprok_> decently...though people were not lying about sf being covered in poop
21:05 < roksprok_> you? how goes microfluidics?
21:06 < roksprok_> ^^kanzure
21:06 < kanzure> i'm not sure
21:06 < kanzure> somewhere between "finding parts" and "buying parts"
21:07 < brownies> it's covered in poop?
21:07 < roksprok_> btw the new header? welcome message? is very nice
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21:07 < roksprok> brownies: yes...and i'm worried its human
21:07 < roksprok> also! i was walking to work last week, and saw a homeless guy's penus
21:07 < brownies> in SF? quite likely.
21:08 < roksprok> penis? how do i not know how to spell that?
21:08 < brownies> roksprok: which neighborhood?
21:09 < roksprok> soma i think? corner of folsom and 4th, 2 blocks down from mission
21:09 < roksprok> also temescal, but i kind of expected there to be poopy
21:10 < brownies> how is folosm & 4th 2 blocks from the mission? o.O
21:10 < roksprok> i mean don't get me wrong, its my favorite place i've ever lived, but...
21:10 < brownies> but, yeah, i know where that is. that's soma.
21:10 < roksprok> not the mission, mission street
21:10 < brownies> ohhh. yeah.
21:11 < brownies> actually you're on the poopier end of soma
21:11 < brownies> luckily, i'm a bit further east
21:11 < kanzure> roksprok: did you get a job?
21:11 < roksprok> yea it seems to get a lot nicer quicker
21:11 < roksprok> kanzure: no, just an internship
21:12 < kanzure> are you being paid?
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21:12 < roksprok> yea...not too much but livable
21:12 < roksprok> and hourly so no benefits
21:12 < brownies> good that you're getting paid
21:12 < kanzure> hourly so no benefits? what??
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21:13 < roksprok> yes i'm very happy about being paid, don't think i could live out here without it
21:13 < roksprok> kanzure: like i'm not a full time employee
21:14 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure there are many people paid hourly who get benefits
21:14 < roksprok> o i wasn't aware
21:14 < roksprok> well...i am not one of them
21:16 < roksprok> its over in two weeks anyway...then back to school and chicago winters
21:17 < brownies> what're you working on?
21:17 < roksprok> is there a list of diy lab equipment somewhere?
21:17 < roksprok> like dremelfuge, but for everything?
21:17 < kanzure> i have some git repos of lab equipment here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/
21:17 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/projects
21:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/equipment
21:18 < yashgaroth> no computer system ever built can handle the sheer number of redundant openpcr clonesprojects
21:18 < yashgaroth>  *
21:18 < kanzure> nah nobody has replicated openpcr.. they all want to build cheaper things
21:18 < kanzure> how dare they!
21:19 < roksprok> kanzure: cool nice wiki
21:19 < yashgaroth> it's like a race to see who can build the shittiest possible machine with the least functionality and robustness
21:19 < brownies> what's so bad about openpcr anyway?
21:19 < yashgaroth> oh, nothing
21:19 < kanzure> brownies: $600 for some wood, peltiers and chips
21:19 < kanzure> really you can get a workable device for <$100
21:19 < yashgaroth> just that if all the myriad projects were instead one project, they might have something by now
21:19 < kanzure> s/get/build
21:19 < kanzure> yashgaroth: biologists hate working together
21:19 < brownies> hm, so then why do people spend $600 on it?
21:20 < kanzure> because it's cheaper than the $10,000 version
21:20 < brownies> that does sound like a good reason
21:21 < kanzure> you can pick up some cheapo stuff on ebay for $300-$6000 but that's always junk or might not work or from the 80s
21:23 < roksprok> kanzure: isn't 600 dollars good enough though? like if you are really worried about the (600 - materials) isn't that a reflection of the benefit (or lack thereof) of a pcr machine to you?
21:23 < kanzure> good enough for what?
21:24 < roksprok> for people to worry about other things
21:24 < roksprok> like...check that off the transhumanism roadmap and go on to the next thing
21:24 < kanzure> the point is that $600 could probably outfit you with a bunch of other tools
21:24 < kanzure> instead of just one tool that is useless on its own
21:25 < kanzure> i'm not building a thermocycler, if that's what you're concerned about.
21:28 < roksprok> well that is good...i suppose i should actually do projects of my own instead of worrying about other people's anyway
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23:34 < HighSpeed> http://ouroboros.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/longer-living-through-chemistry-serotonin-signaling-and-cr-mimesis-in-the-worm/
23:34 < HighSpeed> anyone is taking mianserin/mirtazapine?
23:37 < brownies> uh... any results from anything higher up the evolutionary chain? c elegans is a bit far
23:37 < brownies> also they recently got the results from the CR monkey experiment (or chimps? or some primate) and they didn't find any increased longevity from CR there
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23:48 < kanzure> new plan:
23:48 < kanzure> buy university logins from students in bitcoins
23:48 < kanzure> get access to papers
23:50 < Mokstar> sounds good to me
23:50 < Mokstar> my wife's a student!
23:50 < joshcryer> I like it kanzure.
23:51 < joshcryer> I had my brothers VPN for awhile there, was grabbing everything I could find.
23:51 < kanzure> it would be particularly interesting if, say, 500 people on your account could fund your college expenses
23:52 < kanzure> (maybe you're a really really avid reader)
23:52 < Mokstar> subletting your journal access
23:53 < Mokstar> I might be able to script it
23:53 < kanzure> of course you could script it -_-
23:53 < kanzure> that would be the whole point
23:53  * kanzure pokes paperbot
23:53 < Mokstar> so that you'd email an address a DOI number, and it would email it back to you
23:53 < kanzure> well, no.
23:53 < joshcryer> you would scrape the shit out of that shit man
23:54 < kanzure> email is a bad idea because it's not highly anonymized
23:54 < Mokstar> yeah, I can usually track down spammers
23:54 < Mokstar> wait, no I can't
23:56 < kanzure> Mokstar: the hush hush project in here is a 100% accurate copy of all science papers
23:56 < kanzure> based on scraping all academic journals
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