--- Log opened Mon Sep 10 00:00:22 2012
00:02 < nmz787> I wonder if you can cross site script on kickstarter comments
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00:08 < brownies> that is some impressive typing for a guy who is sleeping
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01:09 < foucist> brownies: that's what amphetamines do to you
01:24 < brownies> foucist: haha
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05:07 < Lucas__> is anyone here going to the world Maker Faire?
05:12 < ThomasEgi> if you pay me all expenses i might concidder it.
05:12 < Lucas__> where do live, we might be able to work something out :P
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08:41 < kanzure> nmz787: kickstarter probably checks for xss vulnerabilities on their site ;)
08:56 < kanzure> brownies: i think at this point someone should do a phantomjs/kickstarter thing, since nobody understands it.
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10:28 < kanzure> oh weird, i wonder if i was getting endnote confused with evernote.
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10:28 < docl> http://www.materialstoday.com/listen/261/genetically-evolved-semiconductors/
10:29 < docl> Talks about how they evolve genes to create metal nanostructures.
10:31 < chris_99> sounds intriguing
10:31 < docl> yeah. he does a really good job of explaining it in layman-friendly terms too.
10:32 < kanzure> foucist: i don't have a kickstarter project. what you talking about?
10:32 < kanzure> bkero: how did the rackspace thing go?
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10:37 < kanzure> how do i contact mike darwin? does anyone have a phone number?
10:38 < bkero> kanzure: Turned them down, offer wasn't good enough.
10:38 < kanzure> i figured that would happen with them.
10:39 < kanzure> well, amazon might offer more, but under no circumstances should you work for amazon
10:39 < kanzure> mozilla might call your bluff on that one :)
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10:50 < kanzure> oh look a possibly good post from darkvegeta26 http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2012/09/comprehensive-copying-not-required-for-uploading/
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10:57 < nmz787> kanzure: seems like we could 'speed up' brain activity if we simply altered our perception of time
10:57 < nmz787> :P
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11:06 < docl> nmz787, sounds simple :P
11:09 < kanzure> nmz787: so i'm doing the math,
11:09 < kanzure> and it looks like diybio-austin has about 21 people
11:09 < kanzure> i'm not sure i want to run a meeting, but they should still know each other.
11:10 < foucist> kanzure: don't you think that's something you should rectify? ;)
11:10 < kanzure> foucist: the meeting thing or kickstarter thing?
11:11 < foucist> kick it to the curb
11:12 < foucist> the latter
11:12 < kanzure> kick what to the curb?
11:15 < brownies> kanzure: eh?
11:15 < brownies> kanzure: oh, something to teach people how to use phantomjs?
11:15 < kanzure> brownies: yes.
11:15 < nmz787> kanzure: i think you're great to run a meeting... you'll either come off as a grouchy old man, or a crazy mad scientist coder dude who knows a shitload and will linkdump on you if you ask dumb questions
11:16 < kanzure> nmz787: yeah, but that takes, like, effort
11:16 < nmz787> kanzure: nah, just half-ass it
11:16 < kanzure> and then i'd have to host people at my house or at some lame restaurant, or i'd have to go to the hackerspace
11:16 < nmz787> with half an ass/brain, you're still a cut above the rest
11:16 < kanzure> thanks :)
11:16 < nmz787> well, yes if you don't want people in your house you'll have to go out
11:17 < foucist> or put out
11:17 < nmz787> the hackerspace a problem/bad vibes?
11:17 < kanzure> no the hackerspace isn't a problem..
11:17 < kanzure> i'm just not sure what the point is, is all
11:18 < nmz787> kanzure: sometimes you don't know the point... but figure its a data survey for yourself
11:18 < nmz787> you're patrolling the community
11:18 < nmz787> etc
11:18 < nmz787> :D
11:18 < nmz787> you're a mean DIYbio bouncer!
11:21 < kanzure> "data survey" isn't a good enough reason for me
11:23 < nmz787> i dunno then, community spirit?
11:32 < brownies> get a company to sponsor it, then the reason is "free food"
11:32 < brownies> is that a good reason?
11:32 < nmz787> kanzure: http://www.dnatools.com/
11:32 < nmz787> kanzure: seems uPenn uses that at their core facility
11:33 < kanzure> brownies: yes that is an acceptable reason
11:35 < nmz787> "Supporting Applications:
11:35 < nmz787>     Apache Web Server Ver. 1.3+
11:35 < nmz787>     Perl 5.005+"
11:36 < nmz787> hmm, I think my company's website should feature pics of me being badass, I guess it works for this guy http://www.dnatools.com/vietnam.html
11:36 < brownies> kanzure: well, there you go then
11:38 < kanzure> daah "RequireJS manages load dependencies, not packages. It does not install and update them."
11:39 < kanzure> brownies: if there's javascript package management stuff that i am missing out on, i'm gonna be pretty angry
11:39 < kanzure> i'm 98% sure that there isn't
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11:41 < kanzure> i mean, for front-end stuff.
11:43 < brownies> kanzure: we use requireJS. why would you want to auto-update packages? most JS devs barely know enough math to write down a version number.
11:43 < brownies> once you get something working with one version of a JS lib... you never, ever update that lib.
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12:08 < chris_99> can anyone recommend a book on Bioinformatics
12:08 < kanzure> http://bioinformatics.org/wiki/Books
12:08 < chris_99> cheers
12:13 < brownies> heh, nice.
12:13 < kanzure> brownies: is there any reason to work at facebook?
12:14 < kanzure> since they're post-ipo, i'm not sure it's worth tolerating their stack
12:14 < brownies> kanzure: perhaps you love PHP and you love drinking zuckerberg's strange brand of kool-aid?
12:18 < kanzure> brownies: also, i just got recruiter-blasted by 'first round capital'. do you know them?
12:21 < nmz787> hmm, so open source hardware summit is sold out
12:21 < nmz787> i thought about going
12:21 < nmz787> i guess i wasnt as sure as the people who bought up all the tix
12:21 < nmz787> jmil is giving a talk
12:22 < nmz787> i guess i'll just try to meet up with him otherwise
12:22 < kanzure> nmz787: just walk in
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12:22 < kanzure> what are they going to do, call the police
12:22 < kanzure> ?
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12:23 < kanzure> nmz787: just take lots of transcripts
12:23 < nmz787> hmm
12:23 < nmz787> yeah i dunno
12:24 < nmz787> i suck at transcription
12:24 < nmz787> (in the typing sense, not protein expression)
12:25 < brownies> kanzure: yeah, i know of them. curious, what did they say?
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12:27 < kanzure> brownies: it was actually a very well-formed email, i am impressed
12:28 < kanzure> brownies: sent
12:29 < brownies> thanks, looking
12:30 < brownies> kanzure: yeah, wow. quite well done.
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12:38 < kanzure> brownies: did you check the links? heh
12:38 < kanzure> http://blog.artillery.com/2012/07/six-impossible-problems.html
12:40 < nmz787> kanzure: do different resolution of assets still require separate files?
12:41 < kanzure> uh it depens on how you are making things work
12:41 < kanzure> some assets are generated dynamically (by algorithms)
12:41 < kanzure> some assets can be modified in-flight by a server
12:41 < nmz787> i thought I read years ago about a downsampling technique that required only a high-res version of content. but could stream out whatever res depending on bandwidth
12:41 < nmz787> and i think it was supposed to be able to change on the fly
12:41 < kanzure> most ios/android apps keep multiple copies of files in different resolutions in the app's package
12:41 < nmz787> hmm
12:42 < nmz787> it seems that nature/physics works the way i'm describing
12:42 < kanzure> in mobile you don't always want to rely on the processor, because things are already slow enough that any additional delay will cause users to throw their device out a window
12:42 < nmz787> at least if you think in terms of lens size vs resolution available
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12:43 < nmz787> well I guess i'm talking specifically about server side things, video was the exact context i /think/ i read about this in
12:43 < ThomasEgi> one thing about browser games is the more or less direct hardware access through the browser. there have been multiple exploits about this already.
12:43 < kanzure> nmz787: as far as i know, youtube encodes their videos in multiple formats, and then just streams you the format that you ask for
12:43 < kanzure> nmz787: so they aren't doing real-time encoding or real-time downsampling
12:44 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: yeah i want to see more webgl exploits, i think they would be a lot of fun to see in the wild
12:44 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, there are also ways to encode images so they start at low resolutions. i think a jpeg variant also works like that
12:46 < ThomasEgi> in the end it's not all that difficult to fix all those problems. but the browser part scares me shitless. i mean. all those tracking mechanism and regular exploits already, ontop of all browser vounariblity. and then direct hardware access to the gpu-memory..
12:46 < ThomasEgi> ouch.
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12:46 < brownies> kanzure: heh. nice link.
12:46 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: it would be fun to see some sort of exploit based on cracking passwords with gpgpu, except through unsuspecting browsers/users
12:46 < kanzure> brownies: apparently that's one of their companies
12:47 < nmz787> hmm browser zombie nets
12:47 < ThomasEgi> gpu-computing browser zombie botnets.. great.
12:47 < ThomasEgi> absolutely great
12:47 < ThomasEgi> isn't that what we invented computers for?
12:47 < nmz787> pretty much
12:47 < Mokbortolan_1> I thought we created them for porn
12:48 < kanzure> no we created computers for ultraporn
12:48 < ThomasEgi> Mokbortolan_1, nah. that only got the bills paid
12:48 < nmz787> except that not everyone has equal access to the botnets like in total distibuted computer nets
12:48 < nmz787> zombify floding @ home
12:48 < nmz787> folding*
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12:49 < nmz787> "world gets PWMed, next age of synBio is ushered in"
12:49 < nmz787> urgh
12:49 < nmz787> PWNed
12:49 < nmz787> too much motion control lately i guess
12:50 < ThomasEgi> suddenly... jump in electricity demand, worldwide
12:50 < kanzure> so daeken's png+html thing was pretty neat:
12:50 < kanzure> http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/squirrel/
12:51 < kanzure> er wait, daeken's version: http://demoseen.com/windowpane/magister.png.html
12:51 < kanzure> or http://demoseen.com/windowpane/nufl0wer.png.html
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12:52 < ThomasEgi> hm i just found out that firefox has a 3d-website inspector to visualize the frames. pretty neat
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12:52 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: yeah they have this new command line thing
12:53 < kanzure> but i think firebug is still more helpful, except it's slower than chrome's web inspector..
12:55 < kanzure> oooh oooooh
12:55 < kanzure> http://nic.su/
12:55 < kanzure> soviet union novelty domains
12:55 < nmz787> kanzure: I like the last link
12:56 < kanzure> http://science.su/
12:57 < kanzure> $20/year
12:57 < kanzure> for a domain name
12:57 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su
13:04 < delinquentme> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120326160651.htm
13:04 < kanzure> no! no news blogs for you! gaaah
13:06 < nmz787> delinquentme: dude the pore they used comes from genital secretion bacteria
13:06 < nmz787> delinquentme: gross
13:06 < nmz787> lol
13:06 < kanzure> can't you just link to the paper instead
13:06 < kanzure> blah
13:06 < nmz787> "The researchers attached a molecular motor, taken from an enzyme associated with replication of a virus, to pull the DNA strand through the nanopore reader. The motor was first used in a similar effort by researchers at the University of California, Santa Cruz, but they used a different pore that could not distinguish the different nucleotide types."
13:07 < kanzure> hahah http://kgb.su/ "Forbidden. You don't have permission to access / on this server."
13:07 < nmz787> http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v30/n4/full/nbt.2171.html
13:08 < delinquentme> O_o;
13:09 < nmz787> well that is certainly next-gen and very cool, but I imagine setting it up is a PITA
13:09 < nmz787> so that's probably the hurdle they're going to have to focus on next
13:09 < kanzure> paper: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Reading%20DNA%20at%20single-nucleotide%20resolution%20with%20a%20mutant%20MspA%20nanopore%20and%20phi29%20DNA%20polymerase.pdf
13:09 < delinquentme> how does someone come up with that choice ?
13:09 < kanzure> supplement: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Reading%20DNA%20at%20single-nucleotide%20resolution%20with%20a%20mutant%20MspA%20nanopore%20and%20phi29%20DNA%20polymerase%20-%20supplement.pdf
13:10 < kanzure> blah they are both supplements
13:10 < nmz787> hmm, those traces look weird though
13:10 < nmz787> there are more than 4 levels
13:11 < kanzure> now when i try to get http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v30/n4/full/nbt.2171.html it says 401 unauthorized
13:11 < nmz787> i have access
13:11 < kanzure> can you give me the link to the pdf?
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13:13 < nmz787> i emailed you a dropbox share
13:14 < kanzure> ok thanks
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13:14 < nmz787> kanzure: PM
13:15 < kanzure> nmz787: i see you're using ezproxy now :)
13:15 < nmz787> ezproxy is through school
13:15 < kanzure> yeah
13:16 < nmz787> i seem to have subconsciously planned on not graduating to continue having computer access
13:16 < kanzure> it's a smart plan
13:17 < kanzure> nmz787: so how about selling access to your account to pay back school debt?
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13:24 < nmz787> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4209052
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13:38 < nmz787> hmm, this looks decent http://www.chromatography-online.org/Principles/Peak-Dispersion/rs43.html
14:04 < nmz787> kanzure: this one is really cool http://www.p01.org/releases/MATRAKA/matraka.png.html
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14:13 < nmz787> kanzure: http://h3.gd/ctrace/
14:21 < brownies> kanzure: so apparently yeoman uses bower
14:26 < kanzure> hmm yeoman seems to have backbone/ember/angular generators.
14:27 < kanzure> ew "yeoman init" asks questions in an interactive fashion? what a fucking disaster
14:35 < nmz787> kanzure: http://www.p01.org/releases/20_lines_Castle_Wolfenstein/
14:35 < nmz787> is that actually 20 lines
14:35 < nmz787> or is it using some JS libs too
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14:36 < kanzure> it's cramming a bunch of crap on to each line
14:36 < kanzure> M.level+= 1-( M.updateCount= M.updateCount?( ( M.U>234&&M.V>224 )?0:1 ):alert( 'ENTER FLOOR '+ ( M.level +(M.keyDown.right=M.keyDown.left=M.keyDown.up=M.keyDown.down=M.keyDown.mapTouched=0) )  )||1 );
14:37 < kanzure> plus he's counting by statements, rather than actual lines (comment lines, curly-brace-only lines, whitespace lines, etc.)
14:38 < brownies> kanzure: there's "yeoman init quickstart" or somesuch
14:39 < kanzure> hrrm.
14:39 < brownies> i can't believe i'm discussing this. i'm going to go back to yelling at SQL.
14:39 < kanzure> so what's the advantage here?
14:39 < brownies> kanzure: none. there is never an advantage to using JS.
14:39 < kanzure> no i mean, yeoman doesn't seem to do much except copy/paste libraries into a folder?
14:39 < brownies> kanzure: i believe the idea is that yeoman provides for nodejs what the rails script and bundler provide for rails
14:39 < kanzure> like if i generate a new backbone model, the bootstrap stuff isn't written for me.
14:39 < kanzure> no it looks like yeoman is for front-end-stuff only
14:40 < brownies> kanzure: well, if you're building one of them fancy "single-page apps" or whatever the kids call it these days, then... yeoman takes care of all the things.
14:40 < kanzure> it doesn't look like it
14:40 < brownies> i believe this is the value proposition, anyway. as you point it, it probably does so incompetently.
14:40 < brownies> because, again, it was written by JS devs for JS devs. -_-
14:40 < kanzure> rails scaffolds let you type in attributes, and then it creates the things
14:40 < kanzure> yeoman does not seem to do this
14:41 < brownies> well, no one uses rails scaffolding anyway.
14:41 < brownies> unless by "scaffold" you were also referring to all the non-scaffold generators
14:42 < brownies> kanzure: btw... what bootstrap stuff would you want generated for a backbone model? o.O
14:42 < kanzure> brownies: oh, you know. html stuff.
14:43 < brownies> kanzure: haha
14:45 < kanzure> brownies: maybe i am just being lazy about backbone views
14:46 < kanzure> oh this is nice
14:46 < kanzure> http://backbonetutorials.com/organizing-backbone-using-modules/
14:46 < kanzure> alright hten
15:07 < kanzure> nmz787: what's dnanexus?
15:08 < kanzure> ew just sequence byte pushing
15:25 < nmz787> umm
15:25 < nmz787> kanzure: looks like they crunch NGS data
15:26 < nmz787> collapse reads into contigs
15:26 < kanzure> i see.
15:26 < nmz787> i heard RIT hired someone to do NGS type stuff, but then we don't have enough computers or something
15:26 < nmz787> which seems odd
15:26 < nmz787> i didn't think shotgun seqeuncing needed such stuff
15:27 < kanzure> NGS alignment stuff is usually done in the cloud
15:27 < kanzure> but maybe he had a hard time convincing them of this reality
15:29 < nmz787> dunno
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16:18 < kanzure> Juul: yo
16:18 < kanzure> http://www.questsin.com/2012/09/wolf-spider-biohacking-hack.html
16:18 < kanzure> "It might turn out that feeding wolf spiders this way, might actually lead to considerable life extension."
16:30 < brownies> kanzure: haha
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18:08 < kanzure> hrrm.
18:10 < kanzure> brownies: https://github.com/jspears/bobamo
18:12 < kanzure> wtf is wrong with his commit messages. i hate him already.
18:12 < brownies> i don't really understand the need for such things
18:13 < brownies> but i guess, once you start buying into the notion that "we can build an entire web app with JS" then this sort of crap is inevitable.
18:13 < kanzure> brownies: i sort of like the idea of dumping out a basic app based on your schema
18:14 < kanzure> the "everything is in javascript" thing is not as appealing :)
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18:15 < brownies> "Because the infrastructure is built at runtime, through intraspection of the Mongoose Model, no scaffolding required."
18:15 < brownies> that's insane. must be retardedy inefficient.
18:16 < brownies> "oh, you've requested the home page? hang on while i inspect the entire database schema."
18:16 < kanzure> huh?
18:16 < kanzure> i think that means "runtime when you run the tool"
18:16 < kanzure> not per http request o_o
18:20 < brownies> oh ok. i hope so.
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19:38 < kanzure> oh yeoman is a google thing
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19:50 < brownies> kanzure: what? isn't it an adobe thing?
19:51 < kanzure> brownies: not according to http://github.com/yeoman/yeoman
19:52 < nmz787> jrayhawk: so i guess i'm heading to portland in about 4-5 weeks
19:53 < jrayhawk> That's exciting. Did that Intel thing pan out okay?
19:53 < nmz787> i think so
19:54 < nmz787> i think portland is better for long-term life satisfaction than nyc
19:54 < nmz787> i am looking for part-time jobs there now on craigslist
19:54 < brownies> just curious, why do you think that?
19:54 < jrayhawk> Certainly easier access to natural settings.
19:55 < nmz787> brownies: i like a high plant to human ratio, and NYC is drastically low
19:56 < nmz787> yeah and I'm sortof a country boy at heart, i think (though I grew up in the city)
19:56 < nmz787> i at least like being in the wilds
19:56 < nmz787> and portland area has Wilderness (legally, note the capital W) within like 1 to 1.5 hrs
19:57 < nmz787> whereas around here, its.... many more hours
19:57 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ curl -O http://diybioforum.org/Nathan_McCorkle_resume_web.pdf
19:57 < jrayhawk> curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'diybioforum.org'
19:57 < jrayhawk> bah
19:57 < nmz787> no
19:57 < nmz787> that's been dead for a while
20:05 < foucist> godaddy dns is down as well
20:06 < nmz787> jrayhawk: nathanmccorkle.com/resume_07_2012_craigslist.pdf
20:08 < kanzure> foucist: still? hah!
20:10 < foucist> kanzure: not sure actually, i was just reporting something i read on IRC!
20:12 < jrayhawk> http://psba.pdx.edu/companies probably has some interesting opportunities
20:14 < nmz787> gonna send my resume to some kiddie tutor ppl
20:14 < nmz787> $16-20/hr the ad says
20:14 < nmz787> not bad to blabber about science
20:14 < nmz787> i do that for free anyway
20:15 < jrayhawk> you could blabber about science in public fora and get paid even more
20:15 < nmz787> oh that's where we went for that meeting, right?
20:15 < nmz787> how so?
20:16 < jrayhawk> Yeah. It's supposed to be a PSU incubator, but, like every higher learning organization in the metro area, it's apparently being hijacked by OHSU interests
20:16 < jrayhawk> so lots of biotech stuff to play with
20:16 < kanzure> nmz787: i can pay that, but i dunno if i can give you full time employment
20:18 < yashgaroth> nmz787 are you sending that full 3-page resume to job openings? gotta trim dat shit down brah
20:18 < kanzure> i'm not convinced about the cult of the short resume
20:19 < foucist> nmz787: hey, looking @ your resume, i think your background should be broken up into smaller paragraphs, and the first line should be indented in, make it less of a wall of text..  also i think skills should be near the top..  smart employers care more about skills than education :P
20:19 < yashgaroth> yeah but you're not the type to send your resume out to craigslistings kanz
20:19 < nmz787> yashgaroth: if people don't want to read a long resume i dont want to work for them really
20:19 < kanzure> wait, craigslist? that's an awful idea.
20:19 < foucist> also yeah, resumes aren't supposed to be longer than 2 pages..
20:19 < nmz787> foucist: thanks
20:19 < yashgaroth> hey I'm just basing it on his filename for it
20:19 < kanzure> definitely, you could probably just delete your education section
20:20 < kanzure> also delete coursework
20:20 < foucist> ^
20:20 < foucist> just leave in the degree
20:20 < nmz787> well i could change the name to CV
20:20 < foucist> and say something liek "fucking kicked ass in biotech!!"
20:20 < kanzure> foucist: nope not even a degree
20:20 < foucist> even better!
20:20 < kanzure> i've been ass-raped by recruiters for the past 8 hours, and none of them even noticed the lack of a degree on my 7-page resume
20:21 < foucist> kanzure: orly? show me your 7 page resume
20:21 < kanzure> foucist: http://heybryan.org/resume.pdf
20:21 < foucist> i really need to setup my linkedin profile properly
20:21 < foucist> to get those recruiters
20:21 < kanzure> linkedin is lame
20:22 < kanzure> my linkedin profile is intentionally crippled
20:22 < foucist> 90% recruiters use linkedin :P
20:22 < foucist> where are your recruiters coming from then
20:22 < foucist> github?
20:22 < kanzure> the magic etherwebs
20:22 < kanzure> i think i got into some sort of secret recruiter resume passing webring thing.
20:22 < yashgaroth> after I friended kanzure I got a bunch of profile views from random programming recruiters
20:22 < foucist> kanzure: s/Objective:/Passion:
20:23 < kanzure> foucist: dude nobody reads this
20:23 < kanzure> like already you've spent more time on this than the recruiters have
20:24 < foucist> hah
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20:32 < nmz787> rllly delete educatiion and degree???
20:32 < nmz787> just skillz and work history?
20:33 < foucist> nmz787: yep
20:33 < jrayhawk> i like making education last, but i am not sure it's a good idea to get rid of it entirely
20:35 < kanzure> "Education: yep, i'ze gots one of those"
20:35 < foucist> "The amazing self-educated man!"
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20:38 < nmz787> hmm
20:38 < nmz787> ok, i guess i can try that
20:38 < nmz787> the wall of text is nice, but it is TL;DR-ish
20:39 < nmz787> it might get me an A on some intro of myself english class b.s.
20:40 < foucist> looking at a resume is more like a checklist..  people don't read it, they skim it and check to see if it matches their requirements etc
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21:07 < nmz787> kanzure: were you saying you would pay me to speak in a public fora about science?
21:07 < kanzure> i don't recall the context
21:08 < kanzure> this sounds unlikely?
21:08 < nmz787> nmz787: gonna send my resume to some kiddie tutor ppl
21:08 < nmz787> (11:14:40 PM) nmz787: $16-20/hr the ad says
21:08 < nmz787> (11:16:35 PM) kanzure: nmz787: i can pay that, but i dunno if i can give you full time employment
21:08 < kanzure> what's this about speaking though??
21:08 < kanzure> i just meant your hourly rate :)
21:09 < kanzure> i was implying that i could pay your hourly rate to have you do things
21:09 < kanzure> paying you to speak in public is not at all on my priority list
21:09 < nmz787> ok
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21:23 < skorket> hey all
21:26 < nmz787> hi skorket
21:27 < skorket> hey nmz787, how's it going?
21:33 < nmz787> skorket: pretty good, had to travel this weekend to take care of material possesions in storage upstate
21:33 < skorket> whereabouts in upstate?
21:33 < nmz787> rochester
21:34 < nmz787> got some test leads today, should have the laser and power supply tomorrow
21:34 < skorket> interesting.  I'm in ithaca
21:34 < nmz787> oo
21:34 < skorket> test leads for what?
21:34 < nmz787> cool
21:34 < nmz787> just banana plug to minigrabber, banana to alligator clips
21:34 < nmz787> to clip onto the laser diode
21:35 < skorket> what laser diode did you get?
21:35 < skorket> I know I already asked you but I forget already
21:35 < nmz787> got this power supply http://www.amazon.com/Sinometer-HY3005D-Variable-Linear-Supply/dp/B000E14F56/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1347338106&sr=8-8&keywords=mastech+power+supply
21:35 < skorket> ah, nice.  I need to get one of those someday soon
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21:35 < nmz787> laser https://sites.google.com/site/dtrlpf/home/diodes/s06j-12x-405-diodes
21:36 < nmz787> yeah the power supply is a bit expensive for just driving the laser, but I need one anyway since I'm working with the microcontrollers and motor controllers and motors, etc, etc... so I'll make good use of it
21:36 < skorket> Very cool.  I wonder if it's almost cheaper to just buy a blu ray player and rip out the diode
21:37 < nmz787> i actually have a really nice bio-rad power supply in storage too, for doing huge sequencing slab electrophoresis
21:37 < nmz787> current controlled and everything, but its about the size of a computer tower
21:37 < skorket> Yeah, I keep needing to buy buck converters or dedicated power supplies.  I should just break down and buy that thing
21:37 < nmz787> and goes to kilovolts :P which I dont need
21:38 < skorket> so you have the hardware?
21:38 < nmz787> yeah i'm gonna get a blu-ray writer too
21:38 < nmz787> for the CNC?
21:38 < nmz787> not yet
21:38 < brownies> nmz787: oh i see. that's fair.
21:38 < nmz787> brownies: hmm?
21:39 < brownies> your tree-to-city ratio, or whatever it was.
21:39 < nmz787> skorket: i want to try using the writer optics, but am worried about heat transfer
21:39 < nmz787> brownies: ahh :D
21:40 < nmz787> and the guy that sells the diodes by themselves said on some forum post that you can break them during extraction from drives... so... yeah, good to have an extra
21:40 < skorket> as in cooling the diode?
21:41 < nmz787> yeah
21:41 < nmz787> i heard they're used in pulsed mode for writing
21:41 < nmz787> but i want it to be full duty
21:41 < skorket> It's probably better to go with the known good then to go experimenting to begin with.
21:41 < skorket> ah, interesting.
21:41 < skorket> What hardware are you going to get?
21:41 < nmz787> well the writer is done as far as beam correction and focusing
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21:42 < nmz787> so that's what's attractive about using it as-is in the drive 'sled'
21:42 < nmz787> hardware for CNC or for optics
21:42 < nmz787> ?
21:42 < skorket> I was wondering about the CNC but I'm curious about the optics as well
21:43 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/
21:43 < nmz787> there's a google doc embedded there
21:43 < skorket> oh right, you guys keep linking me to that, sorry
21:43 < skorket> I keep forgetting that you're going to do this from scratch
21:44 < nmz787> no one online that i've found has tried just turning up the power on a blu-ray writer
21:44 < skorket> yeah, you guys are doing something novel
21:44 < nmz787> i think its because the average focal length is something like 600 microns
21:45 < nmz787> so not of interest to kiddies who want to pop balloons from across the room
21:45 < nmz787> but it might be fine for etching thin silicone like i want
21:48 < skorket> 1.5875 microns per step at full stepping.  Much more if you microstepping at all
21:48 < skorket> *do
21:48 < skorket> ah, whoops, there it is right underneath
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21:50 < Steel2> kanzure: who all do we have here working on bleeding edge lab stuff besides jmil?
21:52 < skorket> What's the beam diameter coming out of the diode?
21:53 < kanzure> Steel2: it depends on how you squint.
21:53 < kanzure> Steel2: genehacker does a lot of reflectometry stuff i think
21:54 < Steel2> how many people do we have with Dr. or MS next to their names? :P
21:54 < kanzure> i haven't been keping track of that
21:54 < kanzure> *keeping
21:55 < Steel2> ah, k.
21:57 < nmz787> skorket: I think its around 1mm
21:57 < nmz787> skorket: but i'm going to find out this week
21:57 < skorket> sorry for all the stupid questions, but how are you going to go about doing that?
22:03 < kanzure> doh "yyyy-mm-dd" is called "big endian" for a reason i guess.
22:03 < kanzure> er what am i saying. iso 8601. right.
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22:18 < nmz787> skorket: probably just with calipers
22:19 < nmz787> put a piece of paper in front of the diode and take a picture next to a ruler or something
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23:38 < nmz787> what do you guys think of beer?
23:39 < nmz787> i like drinking it sometimes
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23:43 < joshcryer> Eh, I'm more of a Vodka guy.
23:44 < joshcryer> But I like the taste of beer.
23:44 < joshcryer> Boilermakers are the best.
23:47 < nmz787> well i mean health wise
23:47 < nmz787> hplus-wise
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23:53 < joshcryer> Oh, I'm not too health conscious but alcohol has shown its benefits.
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